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14:00
@Robert yup... this puppy doesn't do diets
Trying to become the good twin?
Trying to become both twins
As ridiculous as it sounds, sometimes this monitor has just too many pixels…
cbg again
14:07
@poke complainabrags aren't ridiculous
Whatever a complainabrag is.
Oh, I got it.
But seriously; maximized windows, other than Visual Studio, are just too large.
visual studio is too large if it is visible :D
So I have them not-maximized which is kind of messy since they are all overlapping each other.
♥ Visual Studio
But then I have to use Eclipse, so ♥ anything
Omg I must be old, I havent touched visual studio for almost a decade
14:10
@AnttiHaapala think I last used it in 2007 - wow
@AnttiHaapala Then you missed all the good things.
something like that too
Literally all.
cancer has good things?
/me still remembers “Visual Studio .NET” *shudder*
14:11
how can one miss windows :D
@AnttiHaapala I think a decade ago was when it was still fashionable to say things like that :)
winDOZE
@BhargavRao nice
@AnttiHaapala Why are you so antti-Windows? :(
I happen to code in eclipse on almost daily basis
14:12
Someone use shift-4, quick!
@RobertGrant $ – wat
I was like "oh cool, now I have windows 95"
then I was like "oh cool directx 7"
after that I have been like "shitshitshit" :D
now if anyone needs help with windows, I install linux on their computer
problem solved.
shift-4 happens to be ¤ here...
@Antti it's called virus removal I believe? :p
@poke given the comments, I was waiting for some up to date young pup to say Micro$oft :)
14:14
@RobertGrant Oh.
@RobertGrant Micro$oft Windoze
Now alright?
that is so 99s
Omg, I have enjoyed windows in 2000s
directx7 was released in 2000
I can't believe M$ are giving away a free web browser! How evil is that? Now let's all go and buy Apple products, because they're not a big evil patent-crapping corporation. They're the good guys!
There's nothing wrong with Windows, if you know what you're doing. And you don't mind bogging down your system with a bunch of antivirus & antimalware software. And you don't mind not having a sane package management system. And ... :)
There's nothing wrong with Windows, except that it is slow
14:18
@BhargavRao apparently the new one isn't, but I haven't used it myself
Actually, I don't mind 8.1 too much - I should just go hang myself now... trots off
not using crapple either
cbg @all
heya @pss
@RobertGrant New ones wont be slow ... Once they get old they become slow ...
It is just like how a human ages
14:19
Got a question regarding timezones if you don't mind. :)
No, as in it boots really fast, etc. Much faster than 7 or before.
@pss timezones in python: they suck
But I haven't used it, I was just saying :)
Srsly ?
Yeah, according to reviews
14:20
Then they need to change their name back from windoze ...
I am using pyExchange so I have to use them.
@pss is this relating to timestamp stuff you were working with a while back?
that is solved
this is new one. :(
can i give link to my question here?
@ρss 2 minutesw already and you are just asking about if you can ask the question :D
lol
@ρss You only asked it an hour ago, so no - you can't link it here - be patient :)
@pss so the times returned are obviously in UTC since Amsterdam is UTC+1
@JonClements Ok no problem. Thanks anyways. @BhargavRao yeah true.
@pss thus convert them into timezone aware utc-timestamps,
then convert them to Europe/Amsterdam
AND, after that try creating an event in say april (summer time) and see that it works in proper time...
after that then go and answer the question yourself, accept it and tell us and we upvote it :D
14:25
I hate it when close votes stop at 4... It is like you push a guy off a cliff and he hangs on the edge
@AnttiHaapala Will give that a try. thanks
:)
@BhargavRao just waiting for someone to come along and stamp on his fingers or something? :(
@ρss good luck with it - if you don't get much attention in the next few days, come back and remind us :)
Yeah ...
Ok, thanks @JonClements
@BhargavRao so... do you have much experience of pushing people off cliffs ? :p
14:27
You @all are awesome!!!
@JonClements Not the evil twin
@AshwiniChaudhary I only read CR I'm afraid - can't help there
greetings @Roberto
Greetings! :)
14:28
Eek
@AshwiniChaudhary go upvote me and I will CV :d
260 upvotes short :D
Oh hello @AshwiniChaudhary! Thanks for your comment yesterday, about the "zip overkill" - I really did take the question as simpler, perhaps
@AnttiHaapala No, only 500 rep is required on Codereview.SE. I am 17 points away, but I can still flag it.
user559633
you know that when someone in the company e-mail forwards a tweet that some unknown person from the internet twitted, it's going to be a long, annoying day
14:31
@AshwiniChaudhary oh, not even perhaps, OP confirmed your comment
@AshwiniChaudhary very few of us here have a CR account with enough rep, even if it is still using Beta-level permissions.
Adding multiple close flags is not going to help though.
Ahh... poo didn't realise the Reversal badge was so strict...
We cannot send it into the CR close review queue any harder.
certainly not gonna get a reversal badge before that question gets deleted
@JonClements Reversal is very hard to earn on SO.
14:34
To be honest - don't mind if that question gets deleted - not convinced my answer was 100% correct anyway
On Meta now.. that's a different matter.
They are like candy on Meta..
OK thanks for your contribution. @JLRishe (unlike others) and I think Stackoverflow lately becoms too demanding to ask questions. It's getting worse and worse. I understand this is a site in the US. Does the site manager allow these stupid guys censorship?? — Ken OKABE 6 mins ago
OP originally had,
> Please do not ask why I need to do this. I won't answer such an irrelevant question. This question explains itself.
in the question and rolledback the edit which removed it.
user559633
What a fucktard
14:40
I rolled back earlier... it always annoys me when people come in, realise they can't delete their post, then remove all the content and say "oh never mind, silly problem, solved it"
@tristan you know when you're writing TeX code like dpaste.com/0BN54PV that it's going to be a long, annoying day :P
Moderator Note: I've cleaned up the comments here, please keep the comments on-topic for the post itself. If you want to discuss other things or argue, then take it to chat. — bluefeet ♦ 1 min ago
Bluefeet is on the case.
ah, yes.
14:47
I've seen this assignment before, recently.
You see it recur quite often, of course.
user559633
I've been meaning to work on my troll answers
user559633
Like, answers that have a technical level that it would become obvious to an instructor (that hasn't finished the bottle) that a student has grabbed an answer off the internet
Hrm, had to roll back an edit to the one I answered.
The OP had incorporated half my fixes into the question..
Sigh... He is taking it personally now...
Ok great, the question is clear, but you close because you don't like the person who ask this. oh well — Ken OKABE 5 mins ago
@tristan I love giving answers like that.
14:50
@Roberto No problem, I also miss details from questions sometimes. ;-)
@MartijnPieters Ah! I see. Looks like OP removed the question.
@tristan Judicious application of itertools, collections and / or functools, plus perhaps custom descriptors. :-P
@Martijn I've done that before, and got a reply of "wow it works - but I don't understand it, and my teacher won't believe I wrote it!"
user559633
@MartijnPieters haha, i love bringing in full new processes to do one-off tasks
user559633
my favorite troll-answer that i created used a queue in a different process for printing strings with a comment like # GIL is single threaded on appending chars
@thefourtheye Apparently I am not among the bad people trashing his post. I just got a LinkedIn connection request from him.
I'm a good cop now?
14:59
lol
Ah, no, that was a different one.
Bluefeet left only your comment and nuked others... :)
I think OP is in a bad mood today...
he's a she :)
Are you sure puppy? :/
yes, very sure
15:04
Oops, my bad, then :(
Oh... OP... I thought you were referring to bluefeet - my bad
lol. In my school days, I remember my English teacher saying, pronouns will be confusing... :D
gong
user559633
omg can we all be linkedin bffs
@tristan sure buddy, my LI profile is linked on my profile. Extra points if you use the API to send the request. :-P
15:07
umm... sure I have Martijn on mine, not sure I have @Ffisegydd though...
@thefourtheye self-deleted now.
although I barely use/update it - probably should
@JonClements you do.
It's like pokemon. Gotta have'm all!
well, we're failing then, we've only got one mudkip at the moment
@JonClements Saw your tweet. Couldn't stop laughing XD
user559633
15:09
lol at using the linkedin api @MartijnPieters
@GamesBrainiac which one?
The one about the farting.
user559633
and i was kidding about becoming linkedin BFFs, but now i guess i'm not :)
oh... Someone actually reads my tweets? :p
15:09
cbg @davidism
@davidism That probably deserves a blog post for an answer :P
@davidism are you turning into @MartijnPieters - before you say anything you bring a ? :p
Its not simple.
I try not to, but I can't help it.
15:12
@MartijnPieters we must have a better dupe target for stackoverflow.com/questions/28027703/… ?
I don't see anything regarding how other implementations use it there
@JonClements Found @Ffisegydd, hit the Connect button. It is automatic.
user559633
Oh man, Fizzy Goods is on LinkedIns?
Yeah, he looked at my profile once. :3
15:13
haha I search for ffisegydd, find "1 result for ffisegydd

David Clubb3rd
Director, RenewableUK Cymru at RenewableUK

Cardiff, United Kingdom
Renewables & Environment

Similar" :d
@JonClements looks okay-ish to me. Someone should fix the title grammar though.
user559633
So many davidism (lastname) on linkedin, how will i ever find the anime one?
@AnttiHaapala I hate to break it to you, but Ffisegydd is not his real name..
@Martijn I'm sure I've seen one that explains how .NET and Jython may do it differently etc...
that one's purely for CPython
@JonClements right, there probably is one.
IronPython and Jython use a global counter.
15:16
exactly, if we can find that one, that should be the canonical dupe
I can only find posts that cover id() in context of something else: stackoverflow.com/…
sure you've answered one that included that info., and I'm sure I've mentioned it...
but IIRC they were more along the lines of "given the result of id()" can I get my variable back or something
maybe add an answer to one of them saying that Jy and Iron do stuff differently, a bit of editing etc...
@JonClements right now I'm thinking: you find it and lets talk. :-P
15:32
what's wrong with that dupe target?
@Antti read up?
re-cbg.
cant find anyone with any puppy with name joncle in linkedin
re-cbg
I think I found Jon.
15:33
Well, I found you :) - can't see any connect button - shows how often I use this doesn't it
omg, the dogs are silent
that's either great... or really bad
Ah yeah I definitely found you.
DSM
DSM
Sports-induced-depression morning cabbage for all.
Morning @DSM did your team sports badly?
re-cbg
DSM
DSM
@Fizzy: very much so. If I respected the opponents I wouldn't mind so much, but I hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns-- which is unfortunate under the circumstances.
Ah, well. I wore all-black today and I'll take it out on the newbies.
15:38
Hopefully in the future they will sports better, for the sake of the newbies.
user559633
is clements a consultant?
@tristan Thats what he tells us.
I have 1 jon clements at 2nd, via now MP, and the other is now 3rd :D
user559633
The consultant I found is too business-y
sorry:
I have at least 5 jon clements at 3rd
but only 1 at 2nd level :D
15:41
Yaaaaay we're all linkedin buddies, now let's nuke the ever-loving cabbage our of some of their questions!
could get some more but no one has real names or revealed theirs
I'm on there, you can find me through Fizzy.
user559633
found you :)
okay, hit connect for antii, david and fizzy
user559633
i feel so professional and social
user559633
15:47
let's business some questions now
user559633
call some meetings and retros on CV-pls
and tristan :)
I have no description for my current job, just imagine I'm defending our cyber border every day using synergy and agile methodology.
I really think I should make a LinkedIn account.
But I'm just so damn lazy.
15:49
LinkedIn makes me feel sleezy.
@BhargavRao that should be closed too broad, not typo
@davidism Thanks.. Will keep in mind for next time
:)
blah - this is going to force me to update the last ~4 years now - but I shall resist! :)
Bye all :)
Lol, that's a pretty good wpm @tristan.
15:51
@JonClements Again stopped at 4
Have to get someone to stamp
user559633
@davidism cheers, i'm a certified mavis beacon typerman
user559633
@CodyPiersall linkedin is sleazy
user559633
it's a playground for low-skill recruiters and suck-up, social-climbers
it is good for checking who possibly could know person x
DSM
DSM
"in this case the numbers are NOT floating (a is smaller than b) but its about fixed numbers." What now?
15:55
My top 5 skills include "common sense" and "Halo", although my Halo skills have really slipped since 3 stopped being played.
My best skill is AoM :D
So - what we're saying is that our resident MTFL is in fact a slow typer? Is that allowed? I feel more training is necessary for him to retain that title - what say you @DSM/@Ffisegydd/@davidism/@MartijnPieters?
user559633
Whoa, mega @
user559633
and actually, i lied. i hunt and peck, so i'm likely closer to 15wpm
He needs to be very deliberate about the things he types.
It's an art, not a race.
user559633
15:58
i use this keyboard
user559633
user559633
is that a good keyboard for writing PYTHON applications
I always had thought this room does strange things to your mind, but... wow
Seriously though, if that's a real keyboard, my mate's daughter will love that
user559633
i'm going to get that keyboard, bring it into the office, plug it in, and start using it as if nothing is weird
I think I can manage 70-75 wpm.
Incidentally for anyone bored typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu
16:00
think last time I took a test, I was 130
(and no - not age wise, ty)
I hunt and peck though. I literally type with both my index fingers and nothing else.
user559633
i did 85 wpm per that test
I'm 69 wpm according to that site.
The problem is that my brain is closer to 5-10 wpm when I'm actually programming.
user559633
i don't even see numbers anymore, all i see is stack traces, docstrings, ascii genitals, deprecated methods
umm... is it okay to plug an external keyboard in, or do I have to use the laptop one?
16:04
External keyboard is okay.
@tristan Than how can we possibly trust your linkedin profile now!? :(
You...you lied to us ;-;
@Ffisegydd why do we both have pictures taken at the same angle? And why have we never been seen in a room at the same time?
oh dear... the therapy didn't work
but @tristan told me he was a professional therapist!
You decided you needed a foil to have a rep competition with, so you invented me. Unfortunately I then proceeded to beat you for most of the race \o/
16:07
See - if your personalities hadn't worked apart, you'd be very close to trusted user (singular) now :p
The t in mtfl stands for therapist, you've been had!
Are we going to have a scene like TRON where davidism is going to stretch his arms out and I'm going to fly across the Atlantic and then we'll reintegrate?
DSM
DSM
Looking at people's pictures for the first time is always surprising.
I hit 70. But man my hands hurt.
okay, did it on laptop, fingers went off home row and I typo'd four words - got 104 wpm
16:10
@JonClements thats impressive.
I hit 70 on my second try. The page kept messing up though.
Like, the green thingy would not go to the next word, it would stay in the same place.
Ahh, second try, 128
Whoah, not thats fast :P
Ha! 76!
Gettin better.
@tristan 15wpm with hunt-and-peck? Impressive skillz!
My current rate is 1 Splunk major issue per 2 weeks solved.
Me and Splunk are pals. Seriously.
16:16
before I got my keyboard, I was about 60wpm, went down to 15 for about a week, and after about 6 months I'm back around 60.
Are you working on Splunk? It's yet another tool the gov wants to deploy on their network that I need to integrate into my meta-analysis.
haha at tristans desc :D
user559633
i take my linked ons very seriously
@Ffisegydd 85 WPM on this super crappy keyboard…
Someone remind me in 2–3 hours to do this again at home…
You're saying the supernova turned into a black hole? That was bound to happen eventually. [status-by-cosmic-design] — balpha ♦ 2 hours ago
user559633
infinity words per minute with the javascript i just wrote
16:20
I just answered a duplicate question, sorry @poke and stackoverflow.com/q/28028173/2301450
@vaultah So that’s where that upvote came from xD
Yeah :P
I loved it when I saw that question.
DSM
DSM
Okay, I'll admit it: I didn't know raise SomeError from None was a thing.
@DSM I made it a thing. You’re welcome.
user559633
16:23
@poke as in, you got it into the language?
@Ffisegydd did we find out who that user was that made a pull request?
I still wait for negative limits to appear for traceback functions
@tristan I filed the bug report which ended up triggering the PEP and the feature.
@poke link or it didnt happ'n
user559633
Oh neat :)
16:24
They reviewed my patch, but the guy decided to turn it into some crap
DSM
DSM
@poke: nice! I can think of some places in pandas where that should probably be used to prevent far-too-long exception chains.
@AnttiHaapala I explained it in my answer here, and this is the bug.
@poke you've turned a snowflake into a crush a city avalanche now - good job :p
I can see the use of it though - so kudos - just never had to use it
@DSM Yeah, I was writing a library at that time which was exposing “pretty” exceptions which were all messy with the original stacktraces… It was terrible.
16:28
@poke umm, was going to close dupe that post for you, so it couldn't be perceived as self-interest - never mind
Martijn does that all the time.
yeah - that's a good point :)
;P
Plus, I think authors of “canonical” questions/answers are the best candidates to find the dupes anyway.
indeed - more likely to remember it :)
made sure I got a couple of beers in the fridge, just waiting for the takeaways to open now, so I can gorge myself, get a little sleep, then start working at 1am
still need one cv for this and this
16:31
gong x 2
@JonClements no idea. I closed the PR and asked them to join chat if they wanted to contribute.
I've had to put Nidaba on a back burner for now, while I sort other stuff out D:
no worries - world domination can always late rubs hands
16:47
Bleh. Job hunts. Need to polish some personal projects up to.
umph, I typed late, instead of wait
that means I typed wait in another window when I meant late... sighs
DSM
DSM
Some days I think sopython should host a long FAQ on "Why doesn't my prime function work?"
We should form our own Coursera based solely on solving Coursera/edx/MIT problems classes.
"Hi there! Welcome So you've enrolled on sopython 101: "Learning how to pass Coursera 101" today we'll be starting with prime numbers with DSM! Next week, Kevin will take you through asking a user for input repeatedly until they type the right bloody thing! Have fun!"
DSM
DSM
Is there a way to profit from that? I'm all about the Bordens.
Those who subscribe for free we'll give them insanely complicated code. Those who pay we'll give them lovely code and explain what it means.
16:56
There was a post earlier - I edited the title "How to find the first prime number using Python?"
reading the title, I was "Why bother? It's 2!"
DSM
DSM
print(2)?
it was actually "How do I find the first prime number composed of N digits"
as I was thinking - who needs about 20 lines of code for this?
Someone actually gave him a bloody upvote.
DSM
DSM
Since it's a function we don't even need yield from, really; could just get away with return.
Uh oh, somebody answered it
17:00
:P
It's a learning question. Could a mod could weigh in on this? — Rick Teachey 27 secs ago
DSM
DSM
I don't think that's the best way to find alphabetical substrings.
I'll delete the answer anyway, because it's unlikely it'll get 3+ upvotes (and may get downvotes)
@vaultah nah leave it, it might help someone in the future.
DSM
DSM
Why is 3+ the cutoff?
user559633
do i want to work for a private space agency? [y/n/m/cheeseburger] _
17:02
Depends. Do you get a free Tesla when you join?
@DSM Because I'm trying to improve my Rep:Answer ratio :D
DSM
DSM
@vaultah: heh. I'd mock you except just the other day I thought of deleting a bunch of my zero-vote answers to improve my average. :-)
user559633
@Ffisegydd, but dead-thing-fuel still makes more sense until self-driving and near-or-attached-to-vehicle power is common for mid-long range travel
We need to develop minature nuclear reactors to power cars.
user559633
haha oh god
user559633
17:04
the Ford Iran GT
DSM
DSM
Okay, on that generator question, the OP has now edited in his code and you can see why what he tried failed.
I have undownvoted and now must make my escape.
DSM
DSM
> It's a big time saver. – Malik Brahimi 35 secs ago
Commenting on his own answer.
@DSM I have about 10 0-scored (but accepted answers)
DSM
DSM
And followed up by
> I'll leave the rest of the program to you, as I don't know what it is you're trying to do.
@Fizzy: is that a "rhubarb"?
17:08
nifty! is there a python 2 option as well? — Rick Teachey 14 secs ago
damn it
@vaultah he asked for Py3, don't feel obligated to give it.
DSM
DSM
return!
@Ffisegydd Thought the first wave was hydrogen powered?
DSM
DSM
Wow, function clobbers three different built-ins. Impressive.
user2555451
stackoverflow.com/q/28030095/2555451 - Why does everyone keep calling us SA? I saw a Meta post recently which did this too.
DSM
DSM
17:19
I was wondering that too, but I'm not up on what the kids are saying these days, so I spend a lot of time in a state of mild confusion.
Also, how to say "a generator which yields just one value" concisely?
@vaultah voted to delete - I don't see the OP salvaging that - it's just a pure "type out my homework - give me an answer - I don't care question"
removed
probably single-valued generator is what I'm looking for
def silly():
     res = []
      done = False
    while not done:
elem = raw_input('Enter element, Return when done.')
   if elem == '':
     done = True
Wow
17:40
Hey does anybody know about a good predicate for hasWikipediaPage?
@BhargavRao hmm?
omg - Cube is on nextflix!
ugh - it's not in HD though
@AnttiHaapala Hey I want a ontological predicate for hasWikipediaPage ... Not finding any ..
17:57
oh wow, and 10 seasons of friends are on the US netflix!

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