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1:37 AM
@Stargateur Possible, yes. Currently implemented? no.
 
I will take a look but web + me is a difficult story
 
@Stargateur note that there's an open PR that I've evidently forgotten about...
 
I'm reading it
maybe a problem
"The stdin handle to the child process, if any, will be closed before waiting" no
it's ok ^^
but I worry about possible deadlock
child trying to write and parent waiting the child to read
there should be two child
one who only write
one who execute the playground program so it's read stdin
and the parent who read output
 
 
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7:20 AM
So there doesn't seem to be any chat room related to windows development
 
I think you will find some experts in the C# channel though
 
I'll have a look
 
 
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12:09 PM
> I was sort of generally wondering if there is a way to do a "clone on move" type operation, or if there is a data type that facilitates that
Ugh.
I know this has been asked before
But it's a hard one to search for
 
12:20 PM
Yeah. That's just Copy, innit?
@DenysSéguret If you're looking for the modern windows UI framework that's runs on the managed side, the WPF room is quite good. If you're writing against the C API, C# may be the best room.
 
I was looking for the guys doing weird ncurses-like things
 
The WPF room is also happy to talk about some of the related technologies (ASP.Net MVC, Xamarin, UWP), but we're varying degrees of familiar with them
Ah.... That, I don't know where to point you for.
 
It's OK, I got some information in the C# room. I saw that System.Console contains about everything which is needed and thus an equivalent to ncurses is possible
(without the ridiculous things I saw before)
(I've still more tests to do, but unfortunately I can't touch a real windows computer during the week...)
 
12:38 PM
@DenysSéguret and what's the compatibility of System.Console? Which Windows versions?
 
@Shepmaster I'm no expert...
 
@DenysSéguret I mean, I'd personally be fine with requiring Win10+. I assume most users are the type of people that keep things up to date.
 
I don't even know that
I really lost touch with this OS family
 
Win10 is at something like 50% of windows installs, I think
60? It's gotten higher faster than a lot, but there's still a real chunk of people on XP and 7
Yeah... ~54% of windows installs are Win10, and ~35% Win7, according to this data I just found on the internet. (Apply salt to taste)
Console dates pretty much all the way back, though, so if it does what you need, there's probably no issue.
 
1:03 PM
@Zarenor If it goes real far back, then I'd wonder why there's (evidently) no good Rust wrapper for it
Could be a real nasty API...
 
1:13 PM
Uhhh... I suspect a rust wrapper would want to call into the C API... Which I'mnot familiar with
Spinning up the .Net VM for writing to the console seems heavyweight. But it might make for a nice api
Yeah, IDK. It might be simple enough to wrap? Here is the C API.
 
1:29 PM
a link to MSDN on this chat
something terrible is going to happen
 
XD
Not every rustacean is a linux developer. The only linux systems I own are android, and they're phones and tablets. For desktop/laptop dev, I'm exclusively a windows dev.
 
Do you mind if we lynch you?
 
@Zarenor I have nothing personnel with win dev, on the contrary there are hero among us, really brave
 
Seriously, cross compilation is very important now, it should receive more attention from the community, and the state of it regarding rust isn't really pretty compared to Go for example
 
@DenysSéguret I'd mind, yeah. I don't think may people survive being lynched ;)
 
1:36 PM
 
@Shepmaster I'm not... sure? I've used console and it's sister packages, but they're not really targeted at console graphics, more at textual UIs
 
@Zarenor is that what @DenysSéguret needs?
 
@Zarenor Does this one support the windows console ? What about input events (keys, mouse) ? And alternate terminal (to get back to the normal state) ?
 
@DenysSéguret have you tried cursive yet? ;)
also github.com/fdehau/tui-rs looks really great
 
I've used console on windows. And, lucky for me, it compiled on mac
(I write and work on windows. The researcher I work with is on OSX)
 
1:44 PM
@hellow I'm not interested in the high level API. I tried pancurses, which doesn't seem to be able to use the normal source terminal on windows (it opens a new special window)
 
I don't think it handles mouse events. You can use ReadKey to read input, if you want to intercept all they keys
sorry - read_key (snake case, not pascal)
 
@DenysSéguret I don't think you can find a cross plateform low library on console
 
console doesn't seem to know about ctrl-keys
 
... That may be true. I hadn't tried.
 
@Stargateur crossterm seems to be going this way. I learnt today from the developer that some missing features I'm looking for (key parsing) are in a special branch (and not totally working yet).
Unfortunately, as I said, I don't have a windows computer until the week-end... and wine tests are not satisfying
 
1:48 PM
@DenysSéguret linux? Why not using a VM then? libvirt is awesome :)
 
I'm afraid the main reason is I didn't want to try looking for a windows image and some license key...
 
Yeah, it sounds to me like you just want a fully-functioning-on-windows tui-rs. That was my impression. console is not targeted at anything so graphical
I think thew image is pretty easy to get - I think MS ma even publish some. The key is another matter...
 
@DenysSéguret it's free
It lasts for about 90 days.
I just snapshot it after downloading, before the first boot
 
I use windows since 16 years... never buy it
but since 5 years I have a legal licence ^^
 
I bought Win7 for a gaming computer and I'm pretty sure I got Win10 from some upgrade
Figure the money I save on Steam should make up for any Windows license
 
1:55 PM
yeah win10 was a "free" upgrade
microsoft has realize that support 70 OS in the same time for 20 years is not a good way to save money
 
2:14 PM
Wouhou! Managment agreed to let us hire a good coder. Anybody here wants to code in Java so that I'm free to code in rust ?
 
@DenysSéguret that's really selling it
@DenysSéguret Should say "with potential to move to Rust in the future"
 
Yeah, I know I have to work on the selling points
 
with a really tiny "(distant)" in there
 
of course if I find a real rust coder, there will be rust immediately
The last projects I started contain a lot of java because I wasn't sure the team would follow in rust
 
2:31 PM
If you actually want a Rust coder, they are easy to find ;-)
 
Hehe. I'm not looking for a job, yet, but when I am, if I can land a rust job I'll be pretty ecstatic. I'm betting it'll be a C# job though., That market is just so much larger.
 
I'll need a guy working in several languages, like me (I'll probably keep the front-end part if I can't find a real full-stack dev). It's a small team and we won't abandon our existing codebase. There will still be java and js code to maintain until we an migrate everything.
Speaking of languages... it's not a remote position (at least initially), it's in Paris (France)
 
Not Paris, Texas...
 
I'm the only full remote guy in the whole Fives group, I know I won't manage to introduce another one soon (I tried already)
 
work at paris and lose 10 years of life by years
 
2:38 PM
Maisons-Alfort more precisely (a few meters from a RER station)
I just got confirmation from my boss that speaking French is required
 
@DenysSéguret all-ones-y
 
I don't get it. Do you mean "Allons-y" ?
 
@DenysSéguret That's me speaking French (allons y)
;-)
 
2:58 PM
There's two things fishy about this email from SO Jobs I just got
I thought it might have been @DenysSéguret posting already ;-)
 
No, I didn't post
30k$ for go+rust ? Damn... I should learn some blockchain instead
 
30k? That's... meager
Better be a whole lot of equity.
 
If you're senior you probably don't fall for this one
 
I'm not sure 'Senior' and 'Loves' belong in the same job title.
Like, it feels to me like a senior dev wants a respectable position. Not a risky(?) startup(?) where you're being paid in 'loving what you do'
If they wanted that, they'd start their own. On account of having the experience to do that.
 
3:20 PM
today, people want 18 years with ten years of experience
 
Being old, I don't care if the candidate is old
 
Naturally, the first task of the candidate would be rewriting the Go parts to Rust.
 
@DenysSéguret This is all in French. Rubbish.
> Github, Gitlab, StackOverflow,
I think this is actually
GitHub, GitLab, Stack Overflow,
double check on GL tho
 
@Shepmaster I rewrote it from English to French because my boss said French was necessary
@Shepmaster yes
 
3:23 PM
@DenysSéguret *smiles and waves from Esperanto-driven vehicle*
 
@DenysSéguret I know, I'm just being silly
Also Linux, JavaScript, Docker, Node.js.
This is the extent of usefulness I can provide here
Good thing like half of the room speaks French
Also, I love that "big data" is not translated.
Loan words are funny.
 
@E_net4 you cheat you speak ... portuguese ? esperanto must be very easy for you
 
/me wonders how much different portuguese is different from spanish
 
@Stargateur Esperanto is supposedly easy for everyone, so I don't follow. :>
 
aaaand of courses there is a wiki page for it ^^ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Portuguese_and_Spanish
 
3:27 PM
What's an example of a "outil de build & gestion de composants" ?
 
@E_net4 "supposedly"
 
@Shepmaster maven, gulp, etc.
 
cargo ? ^^
 
*grunt*
 
if the candidate knows only cargo, it will do
I've seen too many developers assuming that deploying of building was mostly using the mouse during a few minutes to move icons across windows... this for every builds...
I want somebody who automates things soon and who knows there are modern tools for that
 
3:36 PM
 
AWT... That's cool
(we don't do GUI other than web & terminal)
 
4:28 PM
Isn't the answer always "yes"? Regardless of actual need?
 

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