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4:24 PM
Why is it so hard for people to read multiple points in a comment.
"fix X, Y, Z" — they fix X
 
5:17 PM
posted on December 08, 2021 by The Rust Community Team

It's that time again! Time for us to take a look at who the Rust community is composed of, how the Rust project is doing, and how we can improve the Rust programming experience. The Rust Community Team is pleased to announce our 2021 State of Rust Survey! Whether or not you use Rust today, we want to know your opinions. Your responses will help the project understand its strengths and weaknesse

 
 
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6:38 PM
> After our resignation a few weeks ago, I'm so relieved to see the Core team and the team leads working together on a path forward. This has all been incredibly stressful for all involved, but our call for action has not been ignored.
 
6:56 PM
@Shepmaster hey at least they fix X ^^
 
7:13 PM
You’re in the survey @Shepmaster :-)
 
it's fucking too long
I give up
Completing this survey should take about 10–30 minutes
too long
 
7:30 PM
@Jason IMO it's biased: it's not an essential tool for experienced users because they can find other solutions for experimenting but it's an essential tool for enrolling, for new users to try things before they have a productive env, for sharing, for helping users on SO, etc. I think Rust can't not have a good and efficient playground even if I don't use it much myself
Looking at Rust/Wasm solution 2 years after the last survey is a little disappointing. Front end frameworks aren't more convincing, seem to run after the popular JS framework instead of trying to fill the gap making Rust/Wasm less efficient in the browser than JS
 
7:43 PM
@DenysSéguret I will not say it's because some leader didn't maintains wasm-rust
 
@DenysSéguret Is that a Rust thing or a browser thing though?
 
@Shepmaster IMO a first important layer should help you deal with the browser things in Rust, managing the state, callbacks (with async probably), proper node/element typing when querying the DOM, add data to DOM elements, etc. This should be based on web-sys but shouldn't be up to the fancy virtual dom or react layers
 
8:01 PM
But won't all of those things make it less efficient?
 
8:16 PM
@Stargateur isn't try_reserve something you were perhaps looking for? I think quite some time you were running a test that allocated a ton of memory and it somehow paniced?
 
@Jason yes but I'm still not happy
but at least it something
and try_reserve implement of vector is good I think
just it's very hard with thier rawvec thing
we need a hosted std doc with private item
 
I'm looking forward to using try_reserve in some places.
Just waiting a little bit more to make it an older feature of the compiler.
 
@DenysSéguret Could not agree more :clap:
 
8:36 PM
Speaking with C++ old hats. They're so defensive. This is sad. They shouldn't feel attacked by the existence of Rust: the best C++ coders in the world would just have to spend a few painful months learning Rust to become the best Rust coders in the world. It's the same computer behind anyway.
 
@DenysSéguret During training, I've phrased it as the best C or C++ developers don't need Rust at all. The catch is just that you have to be the best all the time.
 
It's not the same point, though
And thinking you can build an efficient multithreaded program in C++ without fear is a fairy tale
 
C don't have rust enum
actually, there is not a lot of language that have rust enum
 
@Stargateur You mean algebraic data types? There are plenty. Most of them are functional though.
 
@PeterVaro *used language
 
8:48 PM
@Shepmaster Yes they do, yes they do, otherwise we wouldn't be in such a mess today as we are. Rust is not the cure for everything, but it would remove the daring memory issues we have in literally every older products we still use today which are all written in C and C++ -- by the best all the time developers.
 
9:01 PM
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Mandatory response
 
9:15 PM
bet answer
any way to rename a bind pattern field of a struct ?
Ok(Success { output, stream })
rename stream to next for example
 
stream: next should work, if it really is a pattern.
 
mmm I try it but it didn't
let me retry
work
I must have fail something when I try
thx
 

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