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7:04 PM
I'm going to err on the side of that comment being light-hearted rather than a dismissal of my opinion, but is there a genuine issue of non-offensive comments in the chat room (that happen to make little sense) remaining?
 
7:15 PM
@roganjosh as in the issue is remaining, or the comments are?
 
@RobertGrant as in kicking comments to another chat room. The debate is about the comments that just got kicked to Ouroboros.
 
I see that. I can't tell what your objection is still, because I don't know the answer to the question I just asked.
 
...Seriously? Why?
 
@RobertGrant I'm dropping this because we clearly can't have any kind of debate around this.
 
7:19 PM
@roganjosh I asked you a question to clarify what you mean, and you're not answering. I think "clearly stating a position" has to occur before any debate, and well before it can be established that debate is impossible
 
@RobertGrant did you see what just got kicked?
 
Yeah, someone was being unwelcoming to ROs
 
Being 1000% on the welcome wagon would certainly make dealing with some particular problematic users pretty easy
 
@roganjosh I think it's difficult to have a debate when you're constantly undermined by some people in the room (I'm not saying you do this, you may do, I don't know). Please remember that the ROs who help to maintain and moderate this room are not recompensed in any way and yet still devote a significant amount of time to it.
 
But either way, if you don't want to talk about it, just keep doing what you're doing. I can't understand what you're saying without you answering my original question, and if it takes this long to establish what you mean from your first statement, this conversation could possibly end after the heat death of the universe
 
7:21 PM
The great part of SO is that you can go and create another room if you so wish.
Anyway how's it going BobbyG? Long time no speak. Family doing well?
 
Good thanks :-) littleist is sleeping...okay :) The heat is difficult, but she's v good for being so little
 
Handling it better than me then, I hate it.
 
Big brother is very good with her
Yeah; my office has no air con. It's unpleasant.
 
Well, I do feel I might be persecuted if I say something about room moderation. I've given the particular user adulation in the past. I also don't accept that wim is something of a problematic chat member or contributor to the community.
 
Okay
 
7:28 PM
So is there a policy of "we're all adults here" or not? I've attacked him directly and still have immense respect for him.
 
I suppose my response is that rather than have several people tag-team in/out giving the ROs a hard time, I'd ask you to wait for a GM so the entire community can actually have a conversation.
 
IIRC the last GM started with "We don't have much time, so please have those conversations some other time"
 
Doesn't look like that to me. Kinda looks like you're seriously misrepresenting what was said.
Thankfully we keep a transcript.
 
wim
The stack exchange staff and community moderators intentions and recent directions seem somewhat in conflict with rm6 ownership intentions and moderation. It will be interesting to see if they can be reconciled without losing people that aren't particularly welcoming, but are otherwise good contributors to the site and in the chat rooms.
 
@roganjosh I don't want to drag this out but wim has a much longer history in this room than what you're familiar with
 
7:37 PM
cabbage
 
cbg
 
did I miss anything important?
 
@AndrasDeak that may be so, and he's obtuse at times... so am I. But this is a chat room so there can be comments made that people don't agree with. The comments were not offensive or off-topic.
 
This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; Talk about Python, or literally anything else.
 
Don't silence me, I want to talk about Bobby's family!
 
7:41 PM
Heatproof kids are quite the novelty
 
@davidism Are you completely crazy now? Why can't we have a discussion about how this room is moderated?
 
"This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; Talk about Python, or literally anything else." What?
 
Yes, also known as "let's drop it"
 
What is wrong with the sentece: "Python is love!"
 
the exclamation mark may be too enthusiastic for English
My impression is that it's very rarely used
 
7:43 PM
No, let's not. Moderators get an absolute say and nobody else can say anything else against it? That's a dictatorship.
 
@roganjosh we literally hold GMs to discuss this kind of thing when you can get the entire community in to discuss it.
 
>>> 'python' is 'love!'
False
 
15 mins ago, by Ffisegydd
I suppose my response is that rather than have several people tag-team in/out giving the ROs a hard time, I'd ask you to wait for a GM so the entire community can actually have a conversation.
 
is it possible to make it return True?
 
Locking chat then was childish. Far more offensive than I have been in asking questions.
 
7:44 PM
It's also been discussed and addressed before. Please refer to the GM and room transcripts rather than rehashing tired arguments about how the ROs are dictators yet again.
 
@AndrasDeak my bad the right sintaxe is ! = ♥
 
@davidism I'm pretty sure we haven't touched this topic in the last GM, and that was the only one I attended. Where can I find the relevant transcripts?
 
@roganjosh for reference sopython.com/transcript
 
wim
It's my hope that this feature of "room ownership" will be abolished, and the moderation of chat will be left to the elected community moderators (diamond mods). They are voted in by the community, and held to a higher standard, they're not just users chosen by the other existing room owners.
 
Becouse that i ♥ Alice Cooper - Clones @AndrasDeak
 
7:48 PM
@AndrasDeak something is very wrong with what just happened. I would appeal to your academic side to say that silencing people is plain wrong, especially if they're making unoffensive arguments
 
For the avoidance of doubt, that was me.
I'm asking you to leave it right now and bring it up in the proper place and the proper time.
I explained earlier why I was asking that, and you've refused.
So I'm asking you again, please leave it for now.
If you have genuine issues then bring them up at a GM when more people can be here to have a discussion.
People do actually want to listen to you, but this behaviour does not help your cause.
 
Isn't the GM supposed to be about room policies, rather than about specific ROs' behavior?
 
I don't understand your differentiation between the two
 
Well, I don't think deleting wim's messages is room policy
 
wim
It does not go unnoticed that room owners clear the stars on messages that are criticizing them, or trash the messages that are criticizing them. Moderators should be able to accept constructive criticism, imo.
 
7:53 PM
You're literally trying to have the same discussion as a proxy discussion.
 
OK, I'll suspend reality until the GM and then we can discuss why what just happened is oppressive
 
Good
 
@Ffisegydd Sorry, not sure if that was directed at me?
 
Because people can't possibly have a moral compasss until there's a GM. rbrb
 
It was originally aimed at you, but it could point to wim just the same.
 
7:58 PM
Please stop flagging things.
 
Ok. Well, I don't agree with that assessment. I don't have a problem with you or idjaw or vaultah or Andras. I have a problem with davidism, and I don't think those kinds of things are supposed to be discussed at the GM.
Feb 5 at 16:04, by DSM
Remember that this is the Python room's General Meeting, not Festivus -- I'm not interested in your Airing of Grievances. Please concentrate on policies, not persons.
"The word 'bespoke' is annoying and we should avoid it" vs. "The word 'bespoke' is useful and we should embrace it" is acceptable;
"DSM always frustrates me because of his childish complaints about the word 'bespoke'" is not.
 
You might be wondering why I'm coming in now to discuss this? I'm not really very active in the room anymore. However, I still talk to the ROs very often, daily usually, and I hear their issues. I hear when they say "X is arguing for argument's sake again" and "Y is passive aggressively attacking everything I do, I can't stand this.". The people don't this don't see the hurt they can do (or maybe they do see it and they don't care).
 
wim
how many people have to have a problem with davidism behaviour before the other RO might consider that davidism behaviour is problematic
 
Those messages weren't spam or offensive... Agree with @SterlingArcher
 
wim
Also @Ffisegydd if you're not very active in the room anymore, maybe you should step down from RO
 
8:02 PM
@BradleyDotNET we do too, thank you
 
@Ffisegydd Well, when we try to have an open discussion about it rather than being passive aggressive, the room is placed on timeout. I have heard the "This is an old discussion" argument at least twice now. I'm reading the GM transcript, but so far I haven't found anything related to the topic. If it really is an old discussion, where I can find it?
 
wim
It will be difficult to keep up with what's what if you're not actually participating in here often
 
It's wonderful this "read and don't type" trick, you should try it :)
(By which I mean I try to read through transcripts and occasionally join to speak)
 
@wim this would be a good example of an incredibly unconstructive thing to say. The ROs might unstar messages criticising them, but in my fairly considerable experience of this room, they're generally the only ones personally attacked in starred comments by people such as yourself
 
not always, but nobody complains when snark against third parties is unstarred
 
wim
8:08 PM
Stand by my statement. I question the usefulness of a RO that is not an active participant in the room.
 
Okay
 
@БеляковаАнастасия hello
 
Got a trouble extending panas Panel.
I follow this :
3
Q: Extending a pandas panel frame along the minor axis

David BieberI would like to extend a Panel frame of data along a minor axis in pandas. I start off creating a dic of DataFrames into generate a Panel. import pandas as pd import numpy as np rng = pd.date_range('1/1/2013',periods=100,freq='D') df1 = pd.DataFrame(np.random.randn(100, 4), index = rng, columns ...

 
@wim you've made multiple statements, but as for that one, it seems pretty weak
 
8:09 PM
aren't Panels sort of deprecated?
 
But actually added are NaN
 
@AndrasDeak yarp
 
They are, I still have a version that supports them
 
OK, thanks
@БеляковаАнастасия tangential to your question, but the point of deprecation is to urge users to use something else
 
added data frame is of 1. 0, -1
 
8:11 PM
something better, usually
 
Yes, but I still have to use that
 
I see :)
 
I'm feeling quite ignored here... If I can neither have a discussion about the topic, nor find any information about the last time it was discussed, what am I supposed to do? Does everyone who has some criticism about this room have to suck it up until the next GM happens?
In fact, I didn't even get a confirmation that this is indeed supposed to be discussed at a GM
I'm just floating in limbo here
 
wim
what in particular are you searching for in the transcript?
 
8:26 PM
something that justifies davidism's aggressive moderating. Maybe you've been warned that any of your messages that contain criticism will be trashed. Maybe someone already called davidism out on this and they talked it out and reached the conclusion that the behavior is ok. Idunno
43 mins ago, by davidism
It's also been discussed and addressed before. Please refer to the GM and room transcripts rather than rehashing tired arguments about how the ROs are dictators yet again.
I want to read that discussion. I want to read those arguments, and see how they were dealt with.
 
@БеляковаАнастасия what is your question?
 
wim
It was discussed, but the discussions don't generally result in any changes
 
@piRSquared please see above
 
wim
The meetings don't seem to change much - in the last one (5th February) it was decided that they would be quarterly, but there wasn't another one since then.
 
troubles with pandas
 
8:30 PM
I saw. But I don't follow what you've tried and what you're expecting. I've currently got the Panel loaded.
There are several things in that question and answer that have been deprecated. Panel is one but we've already discussed that. Also ix
 
Guys, can you discuss this room in another room, or at the GM? If @Ffisegydd said please leave it for the GM then I don't know why you're still saying you don't know if you're allowed to discuss it at the next GM
 
wim
When is the next GM?
 
Well, I've voiced my doubts about that being on-topic for the GM and nobody has denied or confirmed or even addressed my doubts
If someone were to assure me that the GM is indeed the place, I'll shut up instantly after I find out when the next GM is taking place.
 
Does that not count?
 
That was before I asked if the GM is really the appropriate place to discuss a single person's behavior.
 
wim
8:39 PM
It's okay - you won't be silenced as long as you keep your language respectful and mature
 
In my experience, the key is to behave better than my son when he's asked not to do something
 
I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm not even trying to have a discussion right now. I'm literally just trying to find out where/when/how I'm supposed to have my discussion. And I can't even do that. This actually blows my mind. It really does. I don't even know what to say.
 
@Aran-Fey I think you're forgetting that this is a free chat room and not whatever would actually deserve such incredulity. Perhaps you're confusing it with what you should expect from breakdown cover, or something.
While I'm sure things can be improved, you need to genuinely understand that this room is "staffed" by volunteers who've been doing this almost every day for years, and it's hard to see your astonishment at their lack of service to you as anything but entitlement
Speaking as a non-RO
"@davidism Are you completely crazy now? Why can't we have a discussion about how this room is moderated?" <- evidence that you were trying to have a discussion right now, and not a level-headed one.
 
wim
I agree with Robert, it best to have these discussions with a cool head
 
8:54 PM
Yes, I was. In fact we were having a discussion at that very moment. But then davidism said that this has been discussed before, and Fizzy said that we should postpone it until the GM, and since then I'm trying to figure out what the correct way to deal with the situation is.
 
9:04 PM
I don't think you can call this "lack of service" and "entitlement". If you deny someone who wants to have a discussion the opportunity to have that discussion, that's not "lack of service". I would've thought that everyone's entitled to give their opinion. Maybe I was wrong.
 
35 mins ago, by Robert Grant
Guys, can you discuss this room in another room, or at the GM? If @Ffisegydd said please leave it for the GM then I don't know why you're still saying you don't know if you're allowed to discuss it at the next GM
See the first 9 words
The "lack of service" remark was relevant to what you'd just said; i.e. you were somehow astonished that someone wasn't telling you some information as soon as you demanded it
 
wim
They are perfectly entitled to ignore you. Looks like all RO took a timeout or they are discussing in their private chat
I would rather that than putting the room into timeout, or worse kicking you , so it's an improvement at least :)
 
@RobertGrant I didn't get the feeling that davidism was up for having a discussion, and without him it's pretty pointless. I guess we can try though.
 
@wim Okay, but then you start implying that ROs who aren't chatting when you are are unfit to be ROs
 
wim
not unfit, just ... unneeded
like if you are elected to be a moderator and then you don't moderate at all, you probably shouldn't be a moderator
 
9:11 PM
suddenly, a wild roganjosh appears. I have been criticised on the main site, and here, and I've dished it out myself. This all plays out in full view of everyone. But questioning how moderation plays out is not acceptable?
 
@wim which would be fine if you didn't also complain a lot when they did stuff
I think picking a stance, sticking with it, and changing your mind if it's disproven is the only route to credibility here
@Aran-Fey didn't look as though you wanted a discussion. Please don't keep reframing what you were doing as completely reasonable. But good luck with your discussion.
Rbrb
 
Ok, I can't figure out how chatrooms work...
@davidism Would you be up for a discussion of your moderating practices? I'll make a room if you say yes.
@RobertGrant Not sure why it looked that way to you. From the start I was defending our right to have a discussion.
 
@Aran-Fey that is fundamentally not how it should work. It's literally coming down to one person that's started this. I don't have an issue with the other mods.
 
Sorry, I don't understand. What's not how what should work?
 
wim
@RobertGrant I complain when seeing something I disagree with. Most of the time the regulars here (including most RO) are pretty fair and balanced, and I appreciate that
 
9:21 PM
@Aran-Fey that a chat room can be defined by how 1 person sees things
 
Yeah, that's really not how it should work.
 
This is a great example of a discussion that could happen in another chat room
 
wim
Saying "take it to another room" is just another way to try and shut down the conversation imo
 
Please don't ping me again - I've said rbrb
@wim if you try, I think you'll find you can converse in another room. Thus no shutting down of conversation.
Rbrb
 
9:46 PM
My view as a mod: if you're a room owner, and badness (apologies for the vague-ness) is happening in your room, you're responsible for that. That's a lot of pressure, and non-room owners should be understanding of that. However, I'd like to see all room owners that are present to participate in the maintaining of... on-topic-ness. If only one of you is handling it, it looks... bad. I appreciate the no-piling-on principle, but non-owners need to know you're all on the same page too.
 
Users who are frequently here will see that it's not one of us handling the room
note that I don't intend to restart this discussion, I just feel that I should respond to the wise words of wisdom by a moderator
 
I am frequently here and I can definitely say that one user gets my back up
(it isn't you :P)
 
there's been multiple explicit statements of the room owners agreeing as a whole, we just don't feel it's necessary or useful to keep reinforcing our agreement
It's also been stated multiple times that whenever we disagree with actions taken by another one of us, we call each other out and discuss it. The fact that this doesn't happen as a public spectacle doesn't mean that there's arbitrary action taken by any room owner.
 
So then why is the majority of the complaints targeted at one specific RO?
 
that goes beyond my not intending to restart this discussion
 
9:59 PM
So we should discuss it at the next GM, correct?
This is my final attempt to get something valuable out of this mess.
 
We should just say that it's davidism and not dance around it. Their work on Flask is fantastic and I love the framework, but the room moderation is draconian (which I started with)
 
hey @Antti, did you see the Moon?
 
No
Raining
Was alerted by one regular to come here.
 
Aww. So pretty much the same as here...except little rain
 
So I did
Saw lightning's instead
 
10:07 PM
same :/
 
wim
@roganjosh davidism intentions are good. You can see it also with the action in the flask tag - responding to virtually all those questions, trying to keep a canonical set of good and correct information there. However his curt disposition, for lack of a better word, does not really jibe with the welcome wagon
 
@wim maybe we're all going to turn on each other at this rate :( I just ask that chat is a bit more free. I learn stuff here too but I'm not going to ever get a chat transcript as an answer
So it doesn't matter too much if it's left in chat?
 
in PHP, Dec 3 '15 at 11:11, by DaveRandom
Flags create system wide noise, please don't use them for anything other than spam or offensive messages :-)
kthxbye
 
uh, thanks?
 
wim
LOL
 
10:22 PM
What?
 
wim
one of SO most annoying feature, why don't they just fix this bug already it would be like 5 minutes of dev time
 
@DaveRandom Ah, I missed those, thanks
I'm pretty sure whoever flagged those knows this but is having a great deal of fun
 
I'm sure it was a drive-by joker, I think that's the first time I have ever seen a flagged message originating in this room
 
definitely not the first time, but we do try to maintain a culture where flags are never needed :)
 
10:26 PM
Most flagged messages originate in C++, PHP and JS... perhaps a reflection of the heathens that use said languages, vs the civilised python folks
 
wim
wow a random plane just landed on lake shore drive (big highway near downtown chicago)
 
@DaveRandom ha, nice try! But really, we appreciate it ;)
 
@wim I think I'm not able to speak to you anymore.
 
wim
we are not civilized, how dare you!
 
Ok, last thing. (I didn't want this to drag on for so long either, trust me.) I'm sure some people will think I'm overreacting or being childish, so let me just sum up what happened from my perspective: A questionable act of moderation took place. We started discussing the appropriateness of what happened. This discussion wasn't welcome, and we were asked to talk about something else, which in itself is a worse than questionable act of moderation.
From that point onwards, I tried to find out how we were supposed to voice our complaints about this room, and I failed. My questions whether the GM was the right place for the discussion were ignored (twice). My invitation to have a discussion somewhere else was ignored. We were told that the discussion had been done before, but I still have no idea what happened and what the outcome was. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
The fact that it's not possible to find out how I'm supposed to deal with a problematic situation in this room is mind-boggling. It's unbelievable. It's messed up. And for that reason, I'm leaving. I don't want to be part of a community where it's impossible to provide feedback. Bye.
 
10:27 PM
I'm happy to lewd the place up a bit if it helps
 
no thanks :P
 
wim
don't ragequit - you make interesting contributions here and find a lot of weird corner cases in the Python discussions. just provide your feedback at the next GM whenever it decided when that is..
 
@Aran-Fey please don't leave. But your points are valid.
 
wim
@roganjosh ? dont understand
 
@wim It was our comments that got reported
I assume it's like some proxy restraining order
 
wim
10:35 PM
nah
just some joker
I'm not 100% sure if mods can see who raise spurious flags, but assume they will get a spankin' if they do it too often
 
I wish the chat flag system wasn't broken so at least mods could hand out punishment for abuse
 
I can't come within 3 keypresess of you
 
wim
fwiw, it much better in here now. used to be the wild wild west
users being kicked left right and center
annoying gifs everywhere
gratuitous code dumps
 
Good to know we're better now, thank you for shaping our community
 
I think that, if we're going to light a fire on how things are done, that has been achieved. Let's drop it now (and I say that as a non-moderator)
 
wim
10:43 PM
back on - is anyone using the new breakpoint() ?
I would be interested to make it dump you directly into ipython if installed
 
I have (rarely)
 
wim
currently I use import IPython; IPython.embed()
so breakpoint() is a useless substitute (don't want pdb) and I want to customize it
 
@Aran-Fey I have zero context for your situation, but having been directly and indirectly involved with similar situations before I can tell you this: when shit gets out of hand in chat, go find a mod, straight away, sooner the better. There are generally one or two hanging around in the active rooms almost all the time, and they are generally pretty good at moderating.
If a mod does something you see as unreasonable, go find another mod. If the second mod backs up the first, put the internet down and go do something else for a bit, and reflect on whether this might be one of those occasions where you are wrong, as literally everybody sometimes is. Rage-quit never has the desired effect, when the kid who owns the ball gets pissed off and goes home, the other kids just find another ball...
 
wim
aha! there is sys.breakpointhook. I guess I can just set that in my sitecustomize.py file.
 
@DaveRandom we ask users not to use swearing or crude language in this room
 
10:46 PM
@DaveRandom you really need context to what happened, and I tried to put it to bed
 
ahh just missed edit window
 
cabbage
 
sorry :-(
 
wim
I read it twice and still can't find a curse word :P
 
@DaveRandom the only reason I know the chat flags exist is because of the JS room :P
Some days it's just a constant stream
 
10:47 PM
@wim "when <stuff> gets out of hand"
 
@wim can we not argue about that, at least? Please
 
wim
was joke not argument
shrug
 
@wim you never know
 
wim
:P smiley is tongue poke, not rabid badger
 
shrug
 
10:52 PM
@vaultah feedback as a neutral-ish party: it might be worth putting that specific rule directly in room info text, because it's atypical for SE chat rooms, and new people rarely read room rules docs before posting
sorry for multiping
 
It's been considered before
This isn't a room-specific rule though. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/22232/…
 
@DaveRandom XY problem, really: people should read the room rules :P
 
wim
it already in the info
 
Agreed in principle, but pragmatism > principle sometimes
can you tell I'm a PHP dev :-P
 
I'd say we do pretty well here
 
wim
10:57 PM
well if you were a python dev you'd be dave_random
 
@Aran-Fey I know you're frustrated, but I don't think you should quit. This is not about you. It's about users questioning virtually any kind of moderation, which gets old after a while. The main objective is to keep the room in order, but none of us would want to lose a regular in the process (not even wim :P)
 
yeh that's ticking me off a bit I must admit (I started working with py ~3 weeks ago)
 
Andras doesn't need sleep so we have at least one guardian at any one time
 
s/guardian/gaoler for today :P
 
also the explicit decl of the method arg to receive the context instance is... strange to me
feels quite C-like
 
10:59 PM
that's the best thing ever (OK, I was recently convinced that this could be good differently as well)
 
I learned recently that Armin wrote the Twig template language before he got into Python and wrote Jinja.
Basically Jinja for PHP. It got picked up by Symphony and he hasn't been involved in years.
 
wim
@DaveRandom you mean the self thing?
 
@AndrasDeak it's just a little frustrating when you also have a coding standard with line length limit that is (imho) too short in 2018, and uses snake case, sometimes you only get 1 actual arg with a descriptive name before you have to break the signature across multiple lines :-P
 
well_I_dont_think_varnames_should_be__this__expressive ;)
 
@DaveRandom check out Black, it's a Python autoformatter that does the work of maintaining a code style for you.
So you can type in whatever style you find comfortable, then let a pre-commit hook make it standard.
 
11:07 PM
@AndrasDeak granted, but sometimes it does happen
 
yeah, I know
 
@davidism can I use braces? :-P
 
Never!
 
but then usually you'll have some kind of bracket on the right side, so implied continuation can be used
 
wim
I learned recently that a lot of ast.py was Armin's work for Python 2.6, written to be useful for HTML templating packages :)
 
11:09 PM
I started using the reorder_python_imports hook as well. Gets rid of import merge conflicts, which is nice.
 
wim
oh, that the guy that did the crazy f-string backport.
does it do anything better than isort...?
 
@davidism but also, I wouldn't do that because it would be counter productive, much more of my time is spent reading code written by someone else, having a standard style is definitely overall a positive thing, anything that reduces cognitive overhead to maximise the amount of brain power you have available for code comprehension is generally good
seriously though... 79 chars...
 
wim
you don't have to use 79 chars
 
Black defaults to 88 :-)
 
fyi it's not 1992 any more
 
wim
11:11 PM
most people ignore that part of the PEP8, fwiw. I use 120
 
I don't mind it, I got used to working within the constraint and it doesn't really come up as often as I expected at first.
 
@davidism I use soft 120/hard 150, and even that's a grudging concession to good neighbourlyness
 
wim
black makes a mess of textwrap.dedent
and I'm not sold on the " quotes everywhere
but hopefully by v1.0 it will be good
 
also worth noting that I use pycharm and I'm way too much of a baby python dev to do anything other than what it tells me to
 
Given, for HTML (which I guess PHP would fall close to) I completely ignore that, it's a lot harder to keep things short and still readable there.
 
11:14 PM
and also I'm not going to switch from pycharm any time soon because I don't want to add "learning how a new IDE works" to my sizable list of things I don't understand
 
<3 PyCharm
What are you writing in Python?
 
@davidism syntactically modern PHP is probably closest to Java or C#
 
recbg
@DaveRandom or Perl...
 
I'm not some kind of deviant
I have tried visual basic, but it was when I was young and experimenting, and I didn't inhale
 
wim
heading out - bye all!
 
11:26 PM
see you
 
oh yeah, we definitely could use a meta-room. the subject of this room is , , and , not
 
it could have dedicated pitchfork holders and shackles to accommodate both sides of arguments
 
If you would like a bot to post random messages to 4chan and then post the responses back in the room I'd be happy to help
 
we're a strictly 4chan-free zone, thank you
 
I have occasionally come close to giving in to morbid curiosity and going to see if it really is as bad as it's reputed to be, but never actually stepped off the ledge
 
11:46 PM
Largely depends on the board
 
@DaveRandom if you ever want to use your evil skills for the benefit of mankind, you should drop in SOBotics where they develop bots for moderation and whatnot
 
@AndrasDeak way ahead of you :-P (apologies in advance for latest commit message)
 
I'm sure the dolphin deserved it
and who said one can only develop one chatbot? ;)
 
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