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12:06 AM
@QuestionC Ah ha, I think I solved the X of my XY problem with (lambda f: f(f))(lambda t: defaultdict(lambda: t(t))). Thanks for getting me 99% of the way there :-)
 
Kevin, you're a monster.
 
12:25 AM
cbg all
 
 
1 hour later…
1:29 AM
How come there isn't a useful comment on sopython.com for code-translation requests?
 
user559633
1:43 AM
Such as what?
 
"comment" as in wiki or common question?
 
user559633
for FAQs/Rules/READMEs on internet communities, every word added reduces the likelihood of another or any being read
 
I mean on the useful comments page.
 
Yeah, but it's kind of different. I've seen people use that comment and get a response such as "I already wrote it here; I just want it in a different language.", or some such thing.
 
user559633
1:47 AM
the struggle is real
 
There was a meta-post that looked at the problem with code translations. If I remember no consensus was really reached on why these should be closed - though they should, usually, be closed was
13
Q: What should be the close reason for "convert / translate my code" questions?

AntonyQuestions that ask for code conversion are generally not appropriate. Example: convert menu javascript code in to jquery However, what should be the close reason for such a question? Is it off topic? It is about programming but the OP is just asking people to do the work for him and he doesn't...

 
user559633
i miss the old low quality flag
 
I wasn't active on this site when they had that flag....though I was around
I also remember seeing one interesting question about code translation right after that too (asking why Cobol code works well for that stupid replace a string based on a set of mathematical interview test that people give and how it would translate into X popular languages)
...what the heck is that test called....great this is going to drive me nuts
 
werd night owls
 
user559633
haha hi
 
2:00 AM
What time is it for you?
 
user559633
using NLTK, is there a better way of finding a shared hypernym between two synsets other than walking the list of each?
 
user559633
0500
 
you did remember to sleep, right tristan?
 
FIZZBUZZ!
 
user559633
I will soon. I stick mostly to an EST schedule.
 
2:02 AM
haha. that's awesome.
 
user559633
@JGreenwell Oh, yeah, modulo of 3 and/or 5.
 
or just modulo of 15 (then 3 & 5)
 
That's not and/or; that's and.
 
having a hard time committing to learning angular or react first.
 
Yeah, I did an interview recently where I got asked that (and finished writing an answer on paper while the interviewer was still telling me how hard this problem is for so many CS/IS graduates) and the question about apples/bananas/other fruit images representing numeric values with same caveat (and finished in the same time frame)
if this wasn't an HR person talking, I probably would have been worried about our education system
 
user559633
2:10 AM
Oh jeez, yeah, I've been asked that question before and normally I just take a few minutes because I'm deciding what hilariously overengineered solution I want to give
 
do it in the most obfuscated language you can think of. and then drop the pen and walk out.
 
..............and that hilariously over-engineered solution (to the fruit one too) was probably the reason I didn't get the job
<-- has an "air of superiority" according to at least one HR rep
 
user559633
[x[1] for i in range(1,101) for x in ((15, 'fizzbuzz'), (5, 'buzz'), (3, 'fizz')) if not i % x[0]]
 
That's one way of interviewing the interviewer on their knowledge of the language :P
hehe
 
user559633
my ipython was showing :P
 
user559633
2:15 AM
[ha ha jk as if i interact with people that often]
 
my fruit answer involved a graph and Sylvester rank inequality proof for determine values when fruit pictures (one banana vs. a bunch of bananas) changed - if I remember
 
user559633
what's a sylvester rank? like rocky I, rocky II, rocky III?
 
wow...that got a good laugh out of me
 
user559633
 
they put the pictures in a square - is it my fault that one can make a matrix out of that ;)
 
2:22 AM
@tristan: Is there anything for which you have no picture and no gif?
Do you have one for a kitten doing a backflip?
 
user559633
get it yet? he's a jesus figure. are we telegraphing it yet? no? okay, have him literally be reborn after a scene in which he is upon a training cross
 
yes, Sylvester rank inequality is the mathematical proof that Rocky can beat all matrices. When teaching it all professors are required to blast "Eye of the Tiger" during the lecture.
 
user559633
@JGreenwell i'd immediately start doing punnett square sketches
 
user559633
"yeah this banana is probably going to go bald, sorry"
 
user559633
@zondo my brain operates similar to nosql. fast for simple lookups. terrible for storing complex information.
 
2:28 AM
Alright, I know this is a Python room, not a scheme room. But since the structure of the languages are similar (theoretically) and considering the fact that my question is more theoretical than syntax, I'll ask:
(define (func list)
  (define (dostuff list res)
    (if (empty? list)
        res
        (dostuff (cdr list) (+ (car list) res))))
  (dostuff list 0))
The book says that's an iterative way to sum a list of numbers.
 
user559633
@DemCodeLines Interesting scheme you have here.
 
But isn't that just recursion?
@tristan Thanks, but really though.
 
user559633
Thanks, but really.
 
I don't understand why that isn't recursion. dostuff is calling itself inside itself.
 
user559633
It sure does appear that way.
 
2:30 AM
Without knowing anything about schemes, I would say that that is recursion, but I wouldn't dare disagree with the book.
 
user559633
Books are always correct because they're not written by people.
3
 
What writes them?
 
user559633
Definitely
 
now I'm just waiting on tristan to seg fault
 
I think he just did
 
@DemCodeLines to actually answer your question. Scheme can use do to do more pure iterative functions but its more standard to use tail-recursion
so its iteration using a recursive structure
 
so iterative in scheme really means tail-recursion?
 
it has to do with how scheme optimizes tail calls....if I recall but that course was a while ago
pretty much was the case when I last saw it (again can use do....but not sure on the optimizations of that operator)
 
user559633
why not join #scheme on freenode irc?
 
Good idea.
 
2:41 AM
huh, I actually remember something from my intro CS class from 4 years ago :)
 
user559633
 
user559633
@DanielF please check out the room rules sopython.com/chatroom
 
me to my wife with book in hand: "I have to study some notes and texts to see if I can figure out a better method for my models"
 
user559633
my girlfriend wouldn't have responded as i'm quite sure that she stopped listening to anything i have to say years ago
 
wife then proceeded to turn off the lights
 
yeah my wife's filter for me is impressive.
 
user559633
3:32 AM
who was computer then
 
I think that was the problem, yes
 
user559633
@DanielF Hey, check out the room rules as I suggested before.
 
Hi tristan, I'm sorry if I've made the same mistake twice. I thought it was about linking to a question.
Sincerely, my apologies.
 
user559633
@DanielF No worries at all. If you're still stuck tomorrow night and no one's answered, feel free to link it.
 
3:38 AM
Ok. Any idea where I can head to in order to chat about this issue right now?
 
user559633
@DanielF The main site should get an answer relatively quickly, you can speed that up by offering a bounty, or check out #python on freenode.
 
Thanks for the freenode info
Bye
 
user559633
I'd suggest checking if your OS has the cert chain for python.org :)
 
user559633
Have a good one
 
Thanks, you too.
 
3:41 AM
you know, more of the jobs I apply for (as the required skillsets fit mine) are titled data scientist instead of analyst. I cannot tell if I should be proud of my increased skills or if this is just the data scientist title being watered down.
 
Be proud...I guess.
 
user559633
3:57 AM
alright, have a good day/night all
 
Good ___
 
later tristan
 
night tristan
 
 
2 hours later…
5:53 AM
hi guys
Could any one let me know if this regular expression is a correct representation: featureName = re.search(r'.*Subsystem-SymbolicName: +(\S+\d)',' '.join(featureInfo)).group(1)
 
a correct representation of what?
if you're looking to test your regex, go to regex101.com it's a great site.
 
okay
 
6:16 AM
How can we convert com.ibm.websphere.appserver.Hello-1.0 to a regex
 
what do you mean by "convert it to a regex"
 
I want to match the string with regex
 
you want to match the string you pasted with a regex?
 
yes
 
the site I sent you is pretty solid for testing your regex.
just paste your string and write up your regex and you'll see what's going on
 
6:21 AM
This is my regex:re.search(r'.*Subsystem-SymbolicName: +(\S+\d)'
This is my string: Subsystem-SymbolicName: com.ibm.websphere.appserver.Hello-1.0
When I try the site it says its not matching
 
did you try playing with your regex, to try to see what else you can try
I just tried out your regex and your string and I got the match you are expecting
so you should be good to go
 
So there is no issue with regex
 
based on the regex you provided, the string you provided, and the expectation you specified and putting all that in to regex101....it looks like it's working. Take what you will from that.
 
alrght
also for the second parameter in the re.search(parameter1, parameter2)
 
?
 
6:27 AM
could I use paramter2 = ' '.join(somevariable)
 
I have no idea what you're talking about right now
 
sorry man
I'm stressed out from almost two hours banging my head.
 
don't have to apologize. I just have no idea what you're talking about. :)
 
I know I'm going totally out of point
I have a file with key values pairs
like below:
Subsystem-SymbolicName: com.ibm.websphere.appserver.zosWlmContext-1.0; visibility:=protected
Now I'm trying to search with regex like this:-
re.search(r'.*Subsystem-SymbolicName: +(\S+\d)',' '.join(featureInfo)).group(1)
 
ok
 
6:30 AM
Am I going wrong ?
 
{'key':'value'}
you are trying to match something within value?
 
yes yes
 
looks like you're good. You wrote up a regex that works based on the string you are trying to match. So I'm not sure what the problem is now?
 
When I test in the terminal it says NoneType object has no attribute group
 
I have no idea what your overall code is doing
but I have no idea what that ''.join(featureInfo) is doing
removing that from your code will get your result
import re

featureInfo = 'Subsystem-SymbolicName: com.ibm.websphere.appserver.zosWlmContext-1.0; visibility:=protected'
d = re.search(r'.*Subsystem-SymbolicName: +(\S+\d)', featureInfo).group(1)
print(d)
that runs
 
6:37 AM
yes
It runs in my case too
 
great
 
This is my whole code:
```
from os import listdir
from os.path import isfile, join
import re, os

featureList = {}
featureFileNames = {}

tempList = [f for f in listdir('.') if isfile(join('.', f))]

for fileName in tempList:
fileName = '.' + os.sep + fileName
featureFile = open(fileName, 'r')
featureInfo = featureFile.readlines(-1)
featureFile.close()
featureName = re.search(r'.*Subsystem-SymbolicName: +(\S+\d)',featureInfo).group(1)
print(featureName)
featureList[featureName]=fileName
```
I have 100 files with some .mf extensions with key values pairs
file-1: Subsystem-SymbolicName: com.ibm.websphere.appserver.zosWlmContext-1.0; visibility:=protected

file-2: Subsystem-SymbolicName: com.ibm.websphere.appserver.adminCenter-1.0; visibility:=public
file-3 etc....file-100
 
I need to leave. Good luck with your stuff. One bit of advice, don't use os.sep. Use os.path.join: os.path.join('.', 'bob')
 
OKay thanks
 
I need to leave. Good luck with your stuff. One bit of advice, don't use os.sep. Use os.path.join: os.path.join('.', fileName)
I gotta go .
 
6:43 AM
okay cya
 
7:09 AM
@idjaw you have the patience of a saint for that time of night.
 
7:21 AM
cbg
 
 
1 hour later…
8:25 AM
cbg
 
cbg, all
 
8:45 AM
Cbg
 
9:03 AM
Weird. I often find myself upvoting other answers to questions I have also answered. Am I being too fair, I ask myself. Just did it again on stackoverflow.com/questions/34607843/…
 
9:31 AM
wow
someone asked about something with the module calendar
for some reasone, calendar.Calendar().yeardatescalendar(2014) which should give you the entire year of 2014 gives you 434 days, some of which belong to 2013 and 2015.
he wanted to filter stuff, so I built the following nested statement:

year = calendar.Calendar().yeardatescalendar(2014)
my_year = [day for quarter in year for month in quarter for week in month for day in week if day.year == 2014]
It was really hard to understand nested list comprehensions until I've read this: stackoverflow.com/a/406296/1035062
 
9:44 AM
@GLaDOS I have an answer about that. stackoverflow.com/questions/17657720/…
Seems like a lot of questions about that. I wonder if there is a canonical answer somewhere.
 
Thats a pretty thorough answer, I'll link to it instead of my own link
 
@GLaDOS What do you mean?
 
10:03 AM
In my answer I also linked to somewhere that explains nested list comprehensions. I used your example instead of the one I linked to in here
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A: Extracting datetime info from yeardatescalendar in python

GLaDOSHonestly this module is rather weird. as it seems that for the year 2014 there are 434 days. however if you're interested in just 2014, you can use a nested list comprehension import calendar year = calendar.Calendar().yeardatescalendar(2014) my_year = [day for quarter in year for month in quart...

 
Oh, in your answer. Awesome. Thanks :)
 
10:27 AM
cabbage
 
10:50 AM
@GLaDOS that seems like a pretty weird bug in calendar. I presume there's an issue for it against the interpreter, bt I don't see anything open. Should I raise one while I have the bugtracker open?
 
Oh, it doesn't work like that when running the module as a script?
 
When I manually inspect calendar.Calendar().yeardatescalendar(2014) I only see a couple of days from 2013 and four from 2015, and both those weeks have days from 2014 in them. But you will also observe that some days appear in multiple weeks across the calendar month boundaries.
The question then would be, isn't there some more suitable initial representation to start from, like an iteration of dates with known start and end dates
 
yeah
 
The calendar module was designed specifically to make producing visible calendars earlier
 
So that doesn't seem like a bug afterall
 
11:05 AM
I commented on the question. commending @DevShark's answer. No, it's not a bug - calendar is doing exactly what is was deigned to do
 
It always gives you a view of 6 weeks so you can present it easily in a calender...
 
"""
The calendar module, which was specifically designed to ease the task of creating visible calendars, is the wrong starting point for such work. The reason for its apparent oddity is because it includes some days across month-ends in both the last week of one month and the first week of the next. See the answer from @DevShark for a much more sensible way to go about this.
"""
 
11:22 AM
Wait, what? No new questions in almost 15 minutes?
Slightly more okay, posts are coming in, just nothing tagged with tags I follow. Slow day.
And there is a new one now. fwew.
 
Martijn, do you have like an hour a day when you answer questions? how do you juggle SO and work?
 
I don't use decorators enough, and everytime I go back I find I've forgetten it all.
It doesn't help that I'm (probably) trying to do something awful and so there's no one else who I can find who has done it.
 
On the other hand, I thought mods could delete w/o closing :/
 
11:51 AM
@BhargavRao I tend to close as well, sends a stronger signal.
 
@MartijnPieters So that the user understands why it is deleted? That's nice of you. :-)
 
12:03 PM
@BhargavRao That's just sad.
 
Yep, That is the way to lose rep and not gain :D
 
How can anyone fail so miserably at understanding the purpose and function of this site?
Especially someone who has admitted to being in a school. (IE: is furthering their education, and by conjecture their learning)
One would hope.
 
I feel that they are just trolls and not genuine students.
 
I never assume trolls, otherwise the whole system falls apart.
 
12:10 PM
Well, that is pretty obvious.
 
People misuse the resources.
They think that they are funny, but posts are not.
 
People suck.
I can't wait for the singularity.
 
Lol. That's true.
 
user559633
12:28 PM
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg?
 
@corvid: Read sopython.com/salad
 
user559633
he knows. rolls up magazine and starts hitting corvid with it
 
12:39 PM
we all know. we are hivemind.
 
He is 15,000 messages old :D
 
Then why the question mark?
 
Why not? ;)
 
Oh, you got me there ;)
 
user559633
i think he was expecting someone else to follow up with "cbg."
 
12:41 PM
cbg
@corvid: Does that make you feel better?
 
or cbg?! CBG?! Like the chocolate man from spongebob
 
user559633
can whoever is chopping onions please stop
 
user559633
@corvid wantsome.ytmnd.com mildly nsfw
 
@tristan I have that bookmarked from high school
 
user559633
12:50 PM
yeah, ytmnd is pretty solidly in the "high school bookmarks" realm
 
@Ffisegydd ugh I know.....I was working on a bug and was just about done and I...I don't even know why......I was getting annoyed near the end.
cbg all
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
user559633
cbg
 
12:55 PM
4-hit combo. NICE
 
user559633
i feel like our longest cbg combo is somewhere in the neighborhood of 8
 
feature request: cbg spree announcement at 10
 

cbg?

Nov 17 '14 at 11:43, 52 minutes total – 12 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Nov 17 '14 at 12:37 by Jon Clements

12 cbg, 52 mins :O
 
That's cheating. Several people said it more than once.
 
user559633
i'll add a room event so we can break that
 
12:58 PM
Lol.
Description, Please say cbg and go away
 
@idjaw And then you.... C-C-C-CABBAGE BREAKER
 
hi everyone!
 
cbg
 
@InbarRose I don't know if I have what it takes to be the one to break a cbg chain. I think it's the Canadian in me.
 
@idjaw Well, it seems you must have what it takes, as you already demonstrated.
 
1:06 PM
Hello developers. It is a good practice to mark 'self' each variable. Is this true when it comes to a variable in a loop? I mean should we write: for self.i in mylist or for i in mylist?
 
uhhhh what?
 
@BEGUERADJ I think you have some common things confused.
 
@InbarRose I stand corrected.
 
@InbarRose tell me please
 
@BEGUERADJ self is a convention for referencing the instance of the class you are currently on.
 
1:07 PM
self.variable changes the scope to the current calling instance. (from the automatic which is the current function or global).
 
@BEGUERADJ Did you try both approaches? You should have noticed that the first doesn't even work.
>>> for self.i in range(10):
...     pass
...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'self' is not defined
 
@BEGUERADJ Is there a specific question you need an answer to? Maybe try with describing your problem? Or are you just here to ask about scopes, and variable conventions?
 
@paul23 Thank you, but i am considering my loop in a method which is itself in a class
 
Yes I guessed so.
 
sorry, Paul, it was for @Kevin
 
1:09 PM
If you want to assign each iteration of the loop to a variable inside your class you can do so. But you can't do that in the iterator
 
Oh, ok. In that case, you only need to use self. if you want the variable to be visible outside of the function it was created in.
Typically we don't care about the value of an iterating variable after the loop has ended, so you almost never need to prefix it with self.
 
user559633
class MyObject:
    # self refers to the instantiation of MyObject:
    def __init__(self, x, y):
        self.x = x
        self.y_list = y

    def print_x(self):
        print(self.x)

    def print_y_list(self):
        for i in self.y_list:
            print(i)

example = MyObject(1, ['a', 'b', 'c'])
example.print_x()
example.print_y_list()
 
But self.i would mean you call upon "i" specified for the whole class. While without "self" you look for an i which is in the scope of the function. And follow Kevin's advice.
 
@InbarRose I took a screenshot of your wise comments. I will check 2 of the things you mentioned. Thank you very much
 
And a class-variable named "i" is a bad name anyways (it's description is probably insufficient during class scope to describe what it stores).
 
1:11 PM
@BEGUERADJ Good luck... ?
 
@tristan I understand what you mean. Thank you.
 
user559633
@BEGUERADJ No problem at all.
 
I wish there was a good way to talk about the meta of programming in an easy to explain way
 
class MyObject:
    # self refers to the instantiation of MyObject:
    def __init__(self, x, y):
        self.x = x
        self.y_list = y
        self.i = None

    def print_y_list(self):
        for i in self.y_list:
            print(i)
            self.i = i  # <- This is what you should do I think ?
Is that what you mean @BEGUERADJ ?
 
@InbarRose I mean better to writefor i in stuff: or for self.i in stuff:?
 
1:13 PM
@BEGUERADJ As mentioned already by @Kevin You can not do the second one.
 
I'm kind of wondering: is it ever a good idea to not declare an instance variable during construction? Sure it's legal in python, but it makes working with the class so much harder.
 
user559633
Post the problem that you're trying to solve @BEGUERADJ
 
@paul23 Is it ever a good idea? I don't think it's ever a good idea to complicate something.
 
What does "not declare an instance variable" mean in this context?
 
However, if you are metaclassing, or doing some complex stuff, or have a __getattr__ wrapped....
 
1:14 PM
Do you mean, not implementing __init__?
 
user559633
@InbarRose if self.i is a scalar and stuff is an iterable, that could be valid
 
@Kevin Not having the variable declared in the __init__
 
@Kevin remove the line self.i = None from inbar's code above.
 
@tristan That's what I want to hear: your last (just before) last comment
Thank you everybody nice ones.
 
Oh, I do that all the time. I'll create attributes of self midway through the lifetime of an object, as long as I'm 100% sure I'll never try to access it before I create it.
However, it needs to be crystal clear to the reader that this is the case. "never call frob() unless you have called troz() at least once" or something to that effect.
 
1:17 PM
Ok, thank you Kevin.
 
That wasn't directed at you but OK.
 
Doesn't that complicate testing a lot? Since how an object works is then time dependent.
 
@Kevin BTW - second item on the ZEN of Python "Explicit is better than Implicit">
 
Well, I never write tests, so...
 
Oh sorry, I am still reading again above comments. Kevin
 
1:18 PM
To clarify, this is perfectly legal syntax:
 
Guess in this case again the most important thing in programming rules: "keep everything obvious"
 
class Fred:
    def __init__(self):
        for self.i in range(10):
            pass
It's just completely useless 99.999% of the time.
 
@paul23 KISS Principle
 
user559633
@paul23 spoken like a true student, or someone without a mortgage, or someone without a manager that doesn't care about code quality
 
Useless, for sure. But self itself is almost useless. Kevin
 
1:20 PM
Once you gain more experience with OOP you will probably no longer hold that opinion.
 
"or someone without a manager that doesn't care about code quality" nice double negative.
 
user559633
it's not a double negative. it's someone that does not have (a manager who does not care about code quality)
 
I am taking a note of what you said. Kevin
thank you
 
user559633
26 year old Tristan: "according to my test suite and formal proofs, my code is pure"
30 year old Tristan: "`make project && git commit -am 'fixes' && git push origin master --force`"
 
@BEGUERADJ Did you read already some tutorials on object oriented programming?
 
1:23 PM
@tristan Force pushing to master... tisk tisk.....
 
@tristan Wut? When did you shapeshift to a reptile? :O
 
user559633
@InbarRose as if "Agile" Methodology allows for properly resolving merge conflicts. what are you, hourly?
 
Yes Paul. But between Java and Python somethings are not in common (access modifiers for example)
 
@BhargavRao What are you talking about? He has always been a reptile :) wink wink
@tristan Staging bro, it's all about the staging.
 
@InbarRose Damn, these reptilians are everywhere. :/
 
user559633
1:25 PM
@InbarRose that's why we have QA ;)
 
Fun thing: I read a big pile of books on other languages (java, C++ etc etc) - on many topics. Yet for python I can't be bothered to find & buy books.
 
user559633
@paul23 python cookbook and programming python are two solid ones if you're into dead-tree format.
 
@tristan I lead a DevOps team, so.... yeah.. well, I guess we will have to disagree. :)
 
user559633
@InbarRose for what it's worth, i was kidding.
 
@tristan Strange thing to kid about :P
 
user559633
1:26 PM
i actually just winzip my changes and email them to the qa team
 
Instead of having devops teams, wouldn't money be better spent on preventing vops in the first place?
 
@tristan Haha. Using an obscure compression algorithm I am sure.
 
user559633
i make a simcity 2000 city with roads denoting my changes
 
@RobertGrant DevOps is great money spent, what are you talking about? Reducing the development cycle time by sometimes over 1000%
 
user559633
ah shit i just destroyed my weekend
 
1:28 PM
@tristan Gonna play simcity all weekend? :P
 
user559633
@RobertGrant depends on the maturity and size of the team. for a team of 20+ developers, even if they're all thinking about deployability/scale, it helps to have a systems person full time
 
Reduce regression testing times from 1 week to 1 hour... it's a big difference.
 
user559633
@InbarRose haha yeah, going to a write "hello world" city
 
Not to mention the acceptance/sanity/smoke/bvt testing that gets triggered each push.... CI ftw :)
 
user559633
You can do that without a "devops" team, but sure.
 
user559633
1:30 PM
For the startup that I'm funding on my own, I probably won't hire ops until the team grows > 10.
 
well, yeah. But someone has to set up the system to do all that. Just like you don't "need" an IT guy - but the guy who does that work is the IT guy...... So.. yeah.. You don't need a DevOps team.. but doing the work of a DevOps team anyway basically makes YOU the DevOps.... :P
 
daaaw....a great conversation and I have to leave....
 
Bookmark it :)
 
user559633
I mean, fair enough that someone has to pay with time to get the system setup, but on a greenfield project, there's a lot you can do to kick the can down the road on getting someone to do systems work FT.
 
Absolutely.
Every project has QA even if there is no QA team :P
It just becomes a matter of cost efficiency at some point, the cost of a devs time vs the cost of a qa time. :)
 
1:34 PM
@InbarRose Nah I just dump my code without looking back or testing!
 
user559633
And to be safe, I'm not diminishing the role of system administration ("devops" now) on a team -- most of my career has been ops.
 
DevOps is more than just the system, it's also the automated testing...
 
Rbrb
 
cbg
 
Rbrb
 
user559633
1:36 PM
I can't wait until "devops" goes away as a term
 
user559633
"devops is not a set of tools or software"
oh what do you all day?
"jenkins aws git CI chef"
 
cbg poke o/
 
I can't tell if everyone's just playing along with my vops joke or not, but if so they took it in a weird direction
 
user559633
what's vops?
 
17 mins ago, by Robert Grant
Instead of having devops teams, wouldn't money be better spent on preventing vops in the first place?
Which generated replies
 
user559633
1:44 PM
What's vops though?
 
17 mins ago, by Inbar Rose
@RobertGrant DevOps is great money spent, what are you talking about? Reducing the development cycle time by sometimes over 1000%
 
TIL about ConfigParser
 
Haha, see, it's a semantical joke that takes advantage of the fact that "de" is a prefix usually indicating that a substance is being removed. By misinterpreting the root words of "devops" as "de-vops" instead of "dev-ops", it creates a humorous concept that "vops" is something that is being removed through the process of devops.
 
I'm just surprised I got strong replies to a sentence people didn't understand :)
 
user559633
ConfigParser isn't bad, yeah. I've been liking YAML lately
 
user559633
1:47 PM
@RobertGrant We sort of talked past it, TBH
 
user559633
And wow, yeah, I blew past that clever joke. Well done Bobby
 
@RobertGrant You're too clever for this crowd! :P
 
user559633
Don't encourage him
 
I honestly don't think so :)
The parsing of the second half was caught up in fervent devoptimism
 
user559633
 
1:51 PM
Well, actually vOPS is a term......
 
user559633
Yeah, my initial thought was that it meant Virtual Ops and was just a british-specific industry term
 
Its for virtualization.. something that is done a lot in my field... So I figured you might have been a bit confused, hence the "what are you talking about?"
But, yes, the joke was lost on me, unfortunately, it's a brilliant one.
 
user559633
i see myself using it today
 
The vops joke?
 
user559633
 
user559633
1:53 PM
no, the de-vops
 
Is it a presidential theme for memes today?
 
Yesterday was Will Ferrel day.
So sure, why not.
 
user559633
no theme today; too little sleep
 
Used to be lots of Salad themed memes in here. Especially Cabbage.
rbrb
 
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user559633
1:55 PM
[cabbage salad]
 
Salad is like so last year.
 
Anyone experienced with the typing module here?
 
user559633
@paul23 Since you championed "being direct" yesterday, you've been here too long to be asking newbie questions like that
 
There's a typing module? Like Mavis Bacon?
 
@tristan: whereever did you find that dopey variation of the old Python icon. :-P
 

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