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4:04 PM
Hi
 
hello @Basj
Welcome
 
Hello @idjaw
 
hey
 
what's up?
 
nothing much. just enjoying a quiet Saturday. Yourself?
 
4:16 PM
trying to write a web chat like this one!
using Python server side and JS client side
websockets, etc
Just being curious right now about this : what happens when Wifi is off for say 1 minute
and then reconnected again
I just did a test, and it seems that messages sent in between are resent to client
 
user559633
Why don't you test? good on you
 
automatically
I did
 
user559633
i think my cat isn't happy unless my leg is asleep
 
how many cats do you have?
 
user559633
dos gatos.
 
4:23 PM
wait wat....running my docker-compose in a virtualenv is still trying to use my system level 2.7...something aint kosher here.
@tristan nice. we really want a cat.....but not fair to the little critter for us to invest in a pet with how busy we are now with the littles and other life things
 
user559633
as long as you're not regularly away for > 2 days, they're not very demanding. some prefer being the only cat in the house, or you can get two that are used to being around each other and they'll keep each other company
 
(weird...did not change my PATH until I refreshed my iterm...meh..problem solved :D)
@tristan yeah....it's really a pet that we want, dog or cat...the dog would be the one that we are really not ready for....cat definitely more realistic especially since my wife grew up with one.
 
user559633
@idjaw yeah, we're the same way with a dog. in the apartment we overpay for, we're not allowed one anyway.
 
that's so common in so many apartment buildings. It usually takes that one joyful resident to complain about it for it to be a problem.
but that typically never happens.
typically :P
 
user6568562
You should keep in mind that kittens need a lot of attention to raise. A well trained cat will drive you only moderately crazy
 
user559633
4:30 PM
it's boston, and we picked an apartment in a rush. it's just us and the owners of the building here.
 
user559633
my cats are well behaved unless they're hungry, then one bites the gym mat in my office and the other has figured out that knocking out the magsafe from my laptop will make it go to sleep, so he does that
 
my buddy has a wire nibbling kitty.
 
user6568562
Haha : D Mine camps in front of the fridge knowing that I can't go more than ten minutes without opening it
 
user559633
mine will sometimes still bite wires. we've just hidden or wrapped them
 
my wife's cat growing up would just sit at the top of the stairs and make the weirdest meows.
 
4:44 PM
@tristan If you're interested, there is a docker question up now. Just because I started using compose recently it piqued my interest. If it interests you as well, feel free to check it out.
 
user6568562
I gotta hand it to the Flask guys. They sure did something cool. I'm glad I decided to wait to see what it's about until I'm pratially ready. Especially after my two minutes on Django
 
when i concatenate two strings, '\\u' and 'xxxx', where xxxx is hex number, I get just a string \uxxxx, but not the symbol. What should I use to get the symbol?
 
user559633
@idjaw i'd only be interested if it was something you'd be stuck on. i try to avoid environment/config/path questions and ansible, docker, build questions always end up there
 
I actually do this for bot - people input unicode number and i send them that symbol. But bot sends a \uxxxx string instead
 
@tristan funny you say that. Based on my own investigation it's definitely that! :P
because I can't replicate it. :) Plus their compose file looks weird
 
4:49 PM
>>> s
'1234'
>>> chr(int(s,16))
'ሴ'
Ninja'd
 
user559633
@idjaw yeah, that was another way of saying "if you're having an environment/config issue, i'd be happy to help, but not doing that for a stranger without getting paid"
 
yeah :) got that. Speaking of which, we actually did really cool docker work yesterday in our mob.
 
user559633
if you have a writeup that i can copy/paste to get some code from my local onto a server, i'd be happy to steal from read it
 
user559633
i have some stuff in docker, but not a clean template, and i have to modify the confs that i use more than i'd want
 
@tristan If you ever want a fresh pair of eyes on your docker architecture, feel free to ping me. Granted, I'm fairly new myself, but if I can lend a hand, I'd be glad to.
 
user559633
4:54 PM
will do. i'll probably bug you in a few months
 
user559633
i find it cheaper/easier just to create a new virtualenv and just change a symlink around on requirement changes
 
absolutely. You're in 'git r done' mode. Ship it!!!
:)
 
user559633
eventually, i want to close the loop and revive my jenkins test pipeline so it goes git push -> triggers test run -> packaged to .deb -> spin up a server -> run external tests -> notify that a deployment can happen
 
I'd be really interested to talk to you about that when you get there. :)
 
user559633
containers fit in there so that the "spin up a server" part becomes "testing server gets container and A/B performance tests against N-builds"
 
5:00 PM
Are you planning on destroying the server when you're done testing?
Or is that server there to simply house the containers, update with latest image, and perform tests
 
user559633
@idjaw Will do. I trust you, so I'll come up to Montreal with a laptop or google hangout or something.
 
@BhargavRao Thanks!
 
user559633
Currently that server gets destroyed and a new one gets made. I want to get it to the point that I don't have to bring it up/down
 
@tristan That would be fun! yeah.
 
Yw. Best of luck
 
user559633
5:02 PM
I have some stuff packaged for it, but the API server currently has to install a bunch of packages. The build server is even gnarlier.
 
@tristan Yeah. The part that gets a bit tricky/frustrating is when you have to wait for all that provisioning to get done to do the real work
and how to solve that problem cleanly
 
user6568562
Laters everybody !
 
user559633
Yeah, clean is the big thing. It's not very "fuck it, ship it", but I'm purposefully architecting each piece so that it can fail/exist without cascading dependencies and so I can understand it when tired and called at 3am
 
user559633
Later Random!
 
Rbrb
 
5:06 PM
@randomhopeful take care
@tristan absolutely. Narrowing down that single point of failure is key when it is 3 am and the brain is off :)
I'll be back in a bit. Have to go buy some pumpkins. It's going to be the first time my daughter will partake in the pumpkin carving. :)
well...more the gutting. I'm a responsible adult. <internet_disclaimer>
 
user559633
:) Have fun. She can always draw the lines she wants cut
 
just one last thing before I leave @tristan oldish but let's keep this in mind, arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/…
:)
alright..bbiab
rbrb
 
Cya, Take care
 
user559633
see you
 
user559633
last i used a dell, the keyboard was pretty junky feeling
 
5:20 PM
Now I am left alone with tristan's Halloween avatar. I feel a bit scared, not much.
 
user559633
trackpad, wifi, screen support/control is still far behind that of OS X, last i used linux on the desktop
 
user559633
@BhargavRao the avatar is probably harmless. probably.
 
That laptop looks quite good. (at first glance).
 
This question: stackoverflow.com/questions/40321551/… is getting a lot of negative feedback because the asker didn't put any effort in. I went ahead and wrote a solution because it seemed interesting. Is it bad form to simply give him the answer when he put in little work?
 
@tristan err, That's what the bad guys tell in films. :/
 
user559633
5:23 PM
@JonMcClung Yes. I don't think asker put in any real effort. That's just describing the conditions for accepting free work.
 
@JonMcClung It's not bad, per se. But 1. You'll be encouraging the user to add in more such bad posts. 2. If it is closed and deleted, you lose your work. That's why we ask users not to answer bad posts.
 
user559633
cv-pls on that one.
 
@JonMcClung If your soln works, then pat yourself in the back. You just spent your time usefully. :)
 
@BhargavRao that makes sense. I'll just keep it to myself unless he improves the question.
 
Hmmm, Does @Jon ping Jon Cle also?
 
user559633
5:27 PM
@JonMcClung You can do whatever you want, but I'd suggest that the question isn't very interesting and if you're set on helping someone, help someone that's put in more effort
 
@tristan right. I'm looking for better questions now (:
 
user559633
cool :)
 
user559633
Oh, and @JonMcClung, I appreciate that you care enough to ask for feedback about something like this.
 
@tristan yeah, it's easy enough to do the wrong thing on this site unintentionally. I try to ask before I do anything I'm unsure of these days.
 
user559633
 
5:41 PM
@tristan No surprise that this received a lot of attention meta.stackexchange.com/a/285903/311398 :)
 
user559633
@JonMcClung Yeah, I'm not sure that I ever read that top-right box, and it definitely does not guide new users into "here's how you ask an answerable question" and the "seriously, this is not a place for you to ask others to put in effort you didn't" clove system that exists
 
user559633
@BhargavRao That's the asker's second question, so I think it goes beyond some dismiss-able modals. Non-malicious help/time vampires don't bother to inform themselves. If they did, they wouldn't have questions like "how do i split a string in python"
 
Yeah, There must be some way that the user gets to know that their question is a bad one.
 
user559633
The site is a q&a internet point economy though. If I asked the question "how does binary code interface with physical hardware", it would be closed as "too broad", even though it's infinitely more interesting than 99.99999999% of the questions to the "pearl, not the sand" developers
 
True. Have to agree with that.
 
user559633
5:46 PM
Anyway, now you can get an account suspension for not giving shoulder rubs and maybe being a bit rude to help vampires.
 
Hmm, Did not know that. When did it happen?
 
user559633
Oct 26 at 9:20, by Antti Haapala
if you downvote and comment that you're downvoting because of a bad question and bad formatting and what not, then you will get suspended for one year.
 
Ah, I thought the conclusion of that convo was that there was something more to it. I have to revisit that.
 
user559633
Even if the user was rude, I think there's a balance to be struck between "N-count rude newbies" vs "great contributor that says rude things." Year long bans for being coarse is something that last-stage, boring, losing relevance companies/communities do.
 
user559633
It was a pattern of him saying "jesus christ, put in some effort" and maybe being insulting. This is a communication driven platform though -- putting padding on all the corners and overreacting to scraped knees isn't the way to go IMHO
 
user559633
5:55 PM
I think StackOverflow needs a little toggle: I'm an adult [ on / off ]
 
I see comments in [php] and feel sad. People there have given up the hope of finding good posts.
Thankfully we are better.
 
halfway there recabbage
 
recbg
 
cbg guys
honestly php should just die python all the way
 
user559633
cbg @HollyJohnson
 
user559633
6:06 PM
php 7 is rumored to be fast and more coherent. i think there's a place for a quick interpreted language
 
keep up the chauvinism, it's great for building community:P
 
ayyy triistan how is it going :-)
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak i think you meant this as a joke, but no, that's legitimately an easy way to build a community
 
Yeah, I know
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson today was supposed to be writing javascript. cooked twice, watching re-runs, tried to teach my cat how to fetch again. so... okay :) how are you?
 
6:08 PM
and yeah, I was trying to signal that I don't find that kind of pointless enmity healthy
 
user559633
yeah, pointless enmity should just die. who's with me? team reasonable. i'll get the tshirts printed
 
*raises hand* (except if that guy is too)
 
:O your cat fetches that is majestic.
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson it high fives, doesn't fetch :/
 
rasies hand too
:_( all my cats do is fight eachother they brawlers
ur cat is impersive
what are you writeing javascript for?
 
user559633
6:11 PM
put a snack in your hand and raise it above your cat's head. he/she will put a paw to try to grab it. start intermittently not putting a treat in your hand. repeat for months. my life is going awesome
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson just filtering response data that comes back from an API, but i'm using the React framework, so it's a lot of code duplication, more logic handling for when to render
 
well if you ask me, "trained my cat to do <thing>" is a feat worthy of being put on your CV
brb, installed some firmwares
 
I really hate my hotel internet.
 
still no wifi:S
 
6:17 PM
@tristan yeah almost everything is api work. Hotel internet is the worst. Most hotels never change the routeers default passwords so i always go in there and kick everyone but me :( tristain you never worked on your own startup?
 
just realized that a ban can last upto 15 years.
 
@BhargavRao nice
 
A ban ends on 2027. :/
 
aaaand back
 
aaaand front
 
6:20 PM
rain + montreal drivers = smh
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson re: startups: yes. i'm currently working on my second and this is the third time i've worked for myself.
 
oh yeah do you mind telling me about it? what are you working on?
 
he's doing javascript, of course:D
 
Look at his avatar. You see that face? That's his real face. That's all the "telling me about it" you need. :P
 
6:24 PM
":3 I'll chop you up reeeeal good"
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson the startup is in the event management sector. it's a startup, so I'm working on everything (for tech: python, JS, operations, whatever else is needed. for business: the typical vague variety business stuff (partner relationships, market research, pricing, more to come post-launch)) . i'd be happy to answer any specific questions
 
WIFI wooooo \o/ (sorry @Games)
 
@AndrasDeak haha, yeah
 
@tristan okay what is your code review rate
 
its hard finding good internet these days
 
6:30 PM
let me know im gana go to sleep now and see if cats stop fighting
 
user559633
@HollyJohnson code review rate? like how often is code peer reviewed? never. i'm writing it all myself right now
 
no i mean fee for it
i want to be your first customer
ill be back latter good night brtian time sucks
 
user559633
have a good night :)
 
Cya
 
Something interesting about recording guitar and my kid's being faintly heard in the background of the recording.
 
user559633
6:46 PM
You're one van away from a traveling folk band
 
wanna be my road manager?
 
*damager
 
user559633
Manage reality so that a group of hippies don't have to? Sounds an amazing offer, really
 
this is going to be fantastic
 
7:03 PM
I want my old fonts back
 
I don't understand...out of all the friday the 13th...how has no one tried to cut off Jason's head...seriously...wth
 
I'm watching cheesy horror movies
 
7:06 PM
> as he is awakened on a spaceship in the 25th century.
subtle
must be real hard to nail Friday 13th in outer space
 
it's too bad I have to go out tonight. I would love to just watch all these terrible movies for the rest of the day/evening
 
user559633
 
wife didn't agree with my decision
I have to go
 
show her who's boss and go
 
that's right. I'm deciding to go now. It's my decision.
I made it on my own.
 
7:21 PM
more power to you;)
 
Guess who has to sleep on the couch
 
user559633
TODO: Open a butchery called "Wurst of the Wurst"
 
rhubarb, time for a walk.
 
user559633
take care
 
@tristan hurry up, because thewurstplace.com
 
user559633
7:31 PM
@idjaw Just glad someone did it
 
It's also very good. :)
 
user559633
Oh wow, that area looks so much different than when I lived there
 
I think the growth of the Amazon campus caused a lot of things to pop up in that neighbourhood.
I think that is all in the same vicinity, right?
 
user559633
That would make sense. Also, I think some rules/regulations changed on development
 
In my flask usage I haven't actually come across using blueprints for my solutions. What's your reasoning of when you use them? I know their purpose, but I just am not naturally coming up with a "hey, I should use blueprints" for this.
shouldn't have pinged you for that, sorry.
 
user559633
7:38 PM
It's cool, don't apologize for that. I use flask and we're chatting. No biggie.
 
cool
 
user559633
They make sense when you want logical separation of a thing -- e.g. prefixing all X with a path or separating modules by version
 
oh interesting. So using blueprints for versioning is acceptable?
that's really interesting...because I think we are coming close to versioning one of our API's...so if blueprints help with that, it would be interesting to finally get a chance to use them.
 
user559633
It also provides a good logical separation for registering "before any request to these, demand that Y is satisfied", e.g. user has to log in or some pre-flight for request
 
user559633
I wish that nested blueprints were available, that way I could do a "prefix all these endpoints with v10-29.1/ or latest/" as well as "anything in this 'user' module is prefixed with 'user' and session is checked for user_id before each endpoint is processed"
 
7:42 PM
so, /user/<something> the user part would be a blueprint that does things to make sure <something> is satisfied to continue whatever it has to do?
 
user559633
Yeah, you can do that. One sec, haven't been to the part of this part of the codebase for 2 months and I'm looking for a good example
 
cool. thanks.
 
user559633
Other chat plz so I don't have to conceal
 
right
 
Sun in an empty room...
man, I love that song
 
8:20 PM
arial!! \o/
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak : D Good to see you on the other side
 
oh I've been here for a while, just trying to make the ugly-ass fonts go back to normal
 
user6568562
I like the monospace default font. Feels very hackery
 
SO chat was reeeal ugly
switched everything to ubuntu/MS fonts:D
 
user6568562
:D I can understand that. What desktop did you choose for your installation ?
 
8:47 PM
What do you mean? Window manager? Gnome-shell
 
user6568562
Nice ! That's mine too, although I just left the check mark on default. I'm planning on trying xfce, soon
 
I've been using that on ubuntu for a long time
 
 
1 hour later…
10:11 PM
why is it so damn difficult to use a single dark theme in gnome.........
 
Bah did a coding test and didn't quite get all 4 done in the time
 
What kind of test? Practice, or some kind of interview?
 
It was a general "sign up to our recruitment website and here's a hackerrank test" thing
Ironically the 4th one wasn't even the hardest problem; I just was running out of time and was getting an index out of bounds error. The time made me panic and not see it :-)
 
Oh well.
 
10:20 PM
at least there weren't high stakes beyond your self-esteem
 
Also a small-child-crying emergency meant I had to stop doing it for a bit
And the timer doesn't stop :-)
 
time is the worst:P
you need to up your SO mode and ignore all noise from the Fake World out there
 
Yeah I definitely suck at answering questions
 
user559633
do you?
 
...I, er. Dunno.
 
user559633
10:24 PM
he checks out
 
10:50 PM
my new vim is stupider by default than the old one
time to find a proper vimrc
 
woooooooooo, talk went well today though I'm so burned out
 
what kind of talk?
glad it went well
 
I gave a talk at a local dev conference
 
awesome:)
 
11:26 PM
Is anybody familiar with statistics? Can somebody explain to me what the difference R2 and Q2 are in terms of genetic algorithms?
 
GA aren't really part of "statistics"
 
but R-squared are:)
dunno about Q:P
 
yeah i understand r squared but i'm having some difficulty understanding q squared
and how they're related
 
user559633
this isn't really a python question
 
yeah but you guys always are so helpful =]
 
user559633
11:29 PM
and you're not really a regular, so i'm going to go ahead and say stop
 
yes sir
 
user559633
thank you
 
(... hammer time)
 
user559633
there's surely a statistics stack exchange site, no?
 
Cross Validated
 
11:30 PM
@tristan thank you from saving me from my graduate student years dealing with optimization and reliving the glory horror days
 
user559633
terrible name
 
I just checked, their chat.SE room is pretty dead-ish
but the main probably has a lot of relevant information
for instance, what a Q^2 is
 
Honestly I just asked here because over summer whenever I had python related questions you guys gave really helpful answers. But i'll take this elsewear and sorry
 
user559633
@toshbar No need to be sorry. We go off topic a lot, but if we don't have some semblance of "when it's okay for someone to go way off-topic", then it turns into a "well, i couldn't find a mysql room" or other such "general help" room instead of a community
 
I'm trying really hard not to go read my thesis about GA again
I'm winning currently
 
11:35 PM
#Winning
 
Yeah for my datamining class, we're doing genetic algorithms programming and the teacher gave us a few files of python and told us to learn all of it because we'll be building off of it. so it's "kind of" related to python haha
 
hmm I should go to Pycon
 
or at least buy a boat
I think I'm done with my debian install
 
@RedCorpsy
 
wat
@LiamHardy wrong room?
 
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