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6:29 AM
Morning all
 
Hey up
 
6:52 AM
how to change repr for a function? :D
<function __TK__binder.<locals>.__TK__block__content at 0x7fb71c445268>
I want this to something nicer :P
ah can change the qualname :D
in pytohn 3
 
7:46 AM
Cbg
 
cbg :d
 
Got further with some Pyramiddy dev over the weekend, went quite well :)
 
8:13 AM
cbg all
 
@JonClements cbg
@AnttiHaapala one thing I noticed about jinja2 is its for...else construct isn't very helpful.
If you want to have a table of results if there are results available, or just a paragraph saying there are no results otherwise, you can't. You have to create the table first, before you enter the for loop:
<table>
	<thead>
		<tr>
			<th>heading1</th>
			...
		</tr>
	</thead>
	<tbody>
{% for item in items %}
		<tr><td>{{ item.stuff }}</td></tr>
{% else %}
	<p>No items</p>
{% endfor %}
	</tbody>
</table>
Which isn't valid HTML, obviously
But either way, surely that's a very common need for templates
So you end up with an {% if items %} around the table instead, and not using the else inside the for
 
breakfast cabbage all round
 
Breakfast cabbage is the most important meal of the day
 
So I'm told
Breakfast like a king, or it's sauerkraut for the rest of the day
 
8:34 AM
Cabbage!
I’m back!
Whee~
 
Arrghhh: "D:\ is not accessible. The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable". Bah. Should have changed it when I had the first bad file. Put it down to network copying problems. Let that be a lesson to me :(
Cabbage @poke
Welcome back
 
Melon! What did I miss last week?
 
@poke we had a massive "Poke's not here Party!?" :p
@poke seriously though - how was your week?
 
8:49 AM
First very busy, and then very non-busy
Was on a conference until Wednesday, then Thursday was a holiday, and Friday a bridge day
So I wasn’t at work the whole week ^^
 
Wait - aren't conferences a holiday? :p
 
Well, I got up at ~6:30 am every day and wasn’t in bed before 2am, so, yeah… xD
 
Bah... you need some stamina... I'd call that a short day and a long lay in :)
 
I'm starting to understand the migraines and nosebleeds :)
 
8:55 AM
tis but a flesh wound!
 
squirt squirt
 
I've had worse ;)
Probably has to be one of my MP favourite sketches - still makes me crack up
 
Conferences are brutal (at least the ones I've been to/know about)
 
@JonClements After being on your feet all day?
 
My GF just went to one. It was a week of lectures beginning at 8am every morning and finishing around 10-11pm.
 
9:02 AM
@poke I fit in a walkies at (the sometimes existent) lunch time... :)
 
@RobertGrant good point
I was just wondering if I'd need to support it in tonnikala :D
prolly not
PyCon Finland is a conference that requires stamina
2014 I was just plain drunk, 2013 I broke my elbow and got 1 month sick leave.
 
9:18 AM
monday morning cbg
 
cbg folks
 
Cabbage
 
@AnttiHaapala it's almost as though you could do with a pre and a post section in a for loop, and then an else.
 
Hello, how can we plot Fourier series in matplotlib, or any series for that matter?
 
Read the tutorial.
It's simple.
 
9:37 AM
Some cool jobs on HN, but most are in the states, sadly
 
Yar.
@Bob you should keep track of SO Careers.
 
Yeah I need to use that more. Mine's very out of date.
 
I think I've found 3 jobs on there that I've applied to.
 
Problem is I'm sort of looking for 10 months from nowish
 
In fact I've got an interview with one on Wed.
 
9:39 AM
But I'd like to have a few relationships with companies in place, somehow, for when I do want to move. How do I do that? :)
 
:/ hmmm
 
Yeah, that's what I thought :)
 
@Robert keep sending them flowers and love letters from "BobbyG"
then just turn up when you're over and go.... "HEREEEEEEE'S BOBBY!"
 
Lol, well that makes a lot of sense to me
 
Building a relationship with a company without working there is difficult, even when they're local though, surely?
 
9:45 AM
@Ffisegydd well normally.... you get a relationship with a company via 3rd parties ...
 
@JonClements I've done that before, but CTOs get worried when you break down their door with an axe
At their home
 
That bit's fine... you're not then scrawling red rum on their walls are you?
 
No, but I do rent aging hookers to lie in their baths
 
Umm... you'd think they'd be appreciative... some people
 
Yeah so I've applied to a couple of jobs, got them, and then decided not to take them, but I think I did a reasonable job of making a good impression on the recruiter and the person who interviewed me, e.g. being up front about my intentions around maybe not moving yet.
So I dunno whether that's helped. I assume it at least means some recruiters know that I'm job-worthy, and the salaries I've turned down, so they can tell their future clients
 
9:55 AM
I've had a job offer, though I think I'm going to turn it down for reasons.
 
Careful what you say on the internet now. You might get rejected from future companies for having the "wrong culture"
 
@IntrepidBrit it's fine - we'll seek them out and indoctrinate introduce them to the cabbage first
 
I'm not going to go into details about it :) it's a fantastic opportunity but don't feel it's right for me.
 
Ah okay
Well, good to have the offer :)
 
@Ffisegydd well - if you don't think it's right - then fellow your instincts :)
 
9:58 AM
I haven't formally turned them down either yet.
 
We can't if Fizzy doesn't accept any job offers
Turning them leafy green from the inside out
 
You do make friends with cabbage
 
@IntrepidBrit he'll be juggling job offers v. soon... and panicking about which one to take!
 
About to have a phone interview.
 
Cool, good luck!
@Ffisegydd you can always say that you're waiting for a response from various employers, and will let them know by the end of the week
 
10:01 AM
@Robert my deadline for letting them know is the end of the week :P
 
Ah :)
 
@Ffisegydd You've applied for Carphone Warehouse!? :p
(good luck mucka!)
 
Are places like that good to work for? I never even thought of working for someone like that
 
@Robert it's part of Curry's now
 
Are they good to work for?
 
10:03 AM
My brother's worked there for nearly 30 years... so - I guess they're not that bad :)
 
Wow, okay
 
Mind you - he's a manager, and very customer service and sales orientated, so that's probably why he likes it
I'm more lock myself in a basement with a comfy chair and computer :)
 
10:20 AM
-8
Q: Python won't accept the variables

Louis HarrisAs I am using ASCII table for this Caesar Cipher program, can someone perhaps explain how I can encrypt/decrypt using the letters of the alphabet only, without special characters such as £$%^. I know that this program is incomplete, however I will readjust it once the fundamental of this purpose...

 
That’s a deleted question.
 
Yeah just got deleted within a few minutes of being posted
 
10:33 AM
Phone interview done.
 
How'd it go?
 
Well, I think.
We talked about Nidaba and such.
I wrote a fibonacci generator for them.
 
Cool
 
Now I need to continue brushing up on stats ^_^
 
@Ffisegydd seems as though your skills are in demand though; loads of jobs out there!
 
10:53 AM
Wow - it's windy today
 
Anyone here using cmake to do Python installation? To my annoyance, unlike, autotools, Cmake apparently has the policy of "we don't do this here" when it comes to Python installations. I've asked on IRC, but not the mailing list yet. Just wondering what people's take on this is.
I think you're supposed to use distutils, or call distutils from Cmake, or something.
 
11:43 AM
The OP posted the question twice, and deleted right after receiving an answer.
so I merged the second question into the first (mean mod!)
 
Nah... Good mod! Who's goody moddy... is it you? Well done... have a ninja snack!
Anyone else find it annoying when you make a cup of tea... get busy on something for 30/40 mins - go to have a swig of tea and it's cold sighs
 
@Ffisegydd that should so be your avatar :p
 
No thanks.
 
@JonClements the worst thing is when you have several cups, not all from today, and you absent-mindedly pick the wrong one to drink from
 
@JonClements Yes and it happens to me all the time
 
What a title that Q has. I should have edited "HALP! CODE PLOX!" into it.
 
Votes to close with weirdly long custom reason
 
Likes custom close reason
 
12:11 PM
@PeterVaro Thanks for the tip :-) I enjoyed watching Predestination this weekend, although I already knew the plotline, having long ago read the Wikipedia article of the short story it was based on.
Luckily the film still works pretty well even if you know the twist.
 
that was good too, not a film without plot-holes
but it was still fun.. probably tried to be too clever -- even more clever than its creators were
but Ex Machina is superb, it really is
I watched 3 movies yesterday in a row -- I really had to relax -- Project Almanac (4.5/10) Kingsman: The Secret Service (6.8/10) and Ex Machina (8.9/10)
so it was a nice evening and night :)
 
I'm a little unclear on how time travel is supposed to work in that universe. They make it sound like the future can be altered, but we never actually see it happen.
I give it 0.2 _Back to the Future_s on the time travel film incomprehensibility scale.
 
Or 25 milliPrimers
 
well, I still think two of the best timetraveller movies were Primer and Timecrimes
 
12:17 PM
I haven't yet seen Primer but I am aware of its "challenging" structure
 
@Peter I thoroughly enjoyed Primer :)
 
heya @JonClements ;)
 
Ah, Primer
 
@Kevin then Kevin's list.append(Primer)
 
12:17 PM
Yes.
 
You and Coltie have a good weekend?
 
I watched that with such an inappropriately non-STEM group that it was ridiculous
 
@JonClements actually it was one day only, because of the 3D Printing Days show:
^ this is me, explaining my virtual-clay-system to a lovely loday ;)
 
Ahhh... was going to ask what she was doing
 
she is picking vertices of a mesh and moving them :)
 
12:20 PM
That's cool
 
@Robert just cool? It's yamming bananas!
 
It is written in C + Python, using teh Blender Game Engine => and it is FOSS -- but I have to clean-up the repo
because of the last minute hacks I added to it for this weekend :P
 
Neat.
 
@JonClements :D:D:D
 
I want to have a booth at a show... I am filled with jealousy.
 
12:23 PM
@Kevin "Kevin The Starlord Bestows His Witty Words of Wisdom"?
 
@Kevin maybe one day with KevinScript, probably?
 
@JonClements Yes, but I only work well in writing. So I'd have one of those "please take a number" machines, except each one would have a quip instead of a number.
Meanwhile I'd have my feet up on the desk, reading a novel and refusing to acknowledge any customers.
 
aaaaaaaaaaand back
 
@Peter then you and @Kevin and do "KevinPeter Script 3D"? :p
 
@Kevin :D
@JonClements indeed, that would be awesome
 
12:27 PM
I wouldn't mind my work becoming the de facto standard scripting system for the 3d modeling industry...
 
@Kevin I think python is almost there.. you only have to catch up 20 years or something.. :P
 
They'd credit me in every Pixar film! ... At the very end, when most people have already left the theater.
 
Unless they're waiting for the trailer for the next animated Marvel movie
Actually, a Pixar/Marvel alliance? Called it.
 
Yes, after-credits scenes and teasers are my only hope.
 
@PeterVaro *lady
@Kevin those are my favourite parts!
I'm always very disappointed when the film-makers miss that opportunity
 
12:31 PM
cbg
 
I'm back again... Remember the CTF challenge I was making? It turns out that POpen didn't work out. After several attempts, I ported my C program to linux, tried "pexpect" and it works now like a charm.
 
@Kevin then you (and the writer) will definitely enjoy The Voices
it was kind of fun, but mostly very sad => even though I love the dark and black humor, this was a bit too much for me
 
@Kevin I watched Evan Almighty recently; that literally happens
 
I have to be in the right state of mind for dark comedy.
 
12:35 PM
especially for this one..
but tbh I was in the right mood..
 
I'm having a hard time working out how those two concepts could go together
Is the cast burned alive in little boxes at the end?
 
Are there any legally sound methods of punching your clients in the face?
 
Get them to punch you first
 
offer to have a "friendly" boxing match with them. Works for Uwe Boll.
 
Could work. Risky though
googles Uwe Boll
Ha brilliant
 
12:52 PM
Uwe Boll is a hero amongst men.
 
While I support the general idea of solving disputes with a formal system of violence, his particular approach (misrepresenting his own skill level, withholding promised pre-fight training sessions) seems shady.
 
how long do high-profile companies usually take to respond to job applications? I just got two responses from companies I applied to like a year ago
 
Hahaha
 
Not that long :)
 
1:04 PM
Well, kudos to it.
@corvid They would fail my interview process.
 
@IntrepidBrit it's even weirder cause it was a the position I was an intern for anyway, their decision should be easy one way or the other
 
Unless they have thousands of interns prostrating themselves before them in the ritual of employment abuse ;)
On that note, someone asked me if I wanted a series of unpaid interns to work for my business. I told them where they could shove it.
WHEN I have interns working for me, they'll be at least earning minimum wage
 
I don't really get interns... they don't seem to be of a huge amount of value unless it's 6 months or more
 
@IntrepidBrit well, the government pays you to take them on I think... but no-one I know that's done so has actually had any success with them
 
Yeah, precisely. The only interns I can see the point of is tea fetching minions. I don't see what the intern gets out of it.
 
1:13 PM
@corvid I applied for two PhDs at the same time (around Novemberish, to start in September the next year). I heard back from one within 2-3 months (the one I ended up doing). The other department finally replied back to me in October, a month after I'd started my PhD.
 
Are you a physics PhD Fizzy?
 
@IntrepidBrit keep reminding them that what they're doing will look good on their CV
 
Yarp
 
Heh:
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Q: There are at least three Kevins on Puzzling. I plan to trap them in my labyrinth

rand al'thorNote: please do not edit the title! It originates in a challenge in Stack Overflow chat. I have rounded up all ten (currently) of the Puzzling SE users named Kevin and trapped them in my labyrinth. The only way out is across a narrow bridge which can bear the weight of at most two Kevins at a ti...

 
That's really impressive, teach me the way of physics
 
1:14 PM
@RobertGrant Are there professional tea-fetchers?!
 
Tell them they're not fetching tea
They're playing a crucial role in a cutting-edge industry
For extra irony, get them to sharpen your kitchen knives before you say that
 
Remember one intern I had - first day he forgot he was meant to start - had to find out where he was
then he was 45 mins late the following 3 days
But, after a bit of a word, he got his arse into gear and was quite good :)
 
What did you get him to do?
Because I fear by the time I've got them trained using version control, CI, TDD and online ticketing software, they'll leave
 
We had a data selection platform set up, so was to interpret requirements and make suitable data extractions
then we got into SQL to do stuff the platform couldn't handle
 
@IntrepidBrit that's genuinely good experience
 
1:19 PM
then he got involved with network infrastructure and I had him in some meetings discussing IT/data management direction etc....
Then he got a week of dealing directly with the clients and taking specs when the account exec. was off
then into some large data using both python and sql to do ETL
 
@RobertGrant Good for them, but I've reduced my business' productivity for very little gain from my POV
 
So at the end, he could talk/email happily with the clients, establish requirements, make selections from the online system, but was also able to take the updates and apply them to the platform etc...
 
@IntrepidBrit true, although maybe you have someone now you can pay on an ad-hoc basis to do work for you
 
@JonClements That's a pretty awesome amount of experience he got from that :)
 
he went off finished his rather useless CS degree... then came back to the company for a bit
 
1:23 PM
@RobertGrant I have a range of guys who are employed full time normally that chip in (paid) whenever I need them - but I don't earn enough to bring anyone in full time
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit what's minimum wage when the experience is priceless?
 
user559633
beach cbg morning to all
 
@tristan well, there is that
Nice. Beach where?
 
@tristan haha... well.. the min.wage varies per age
 
user559633
(jk if you're a company and you've brought on interns that are providing value beyond minimum wage, you're a monster if you don't at least give them money for sandwiches)
 
1:25 PM
@tristan (Agreed ;))
 
@tristan happened to me. It happens a lot.
 
@IntrepidBrit you could say that the training period they just earn pocket money, and if you're happy after 1 month, they'll get a proper wage
So at least your investment is just time
 
user559633
@RobertGrant fort lauderdale
 
user559633
 
user559633
[my office for the rest of the month]
 
1:27 PM
Bitch.
 
@Robert the only thing is - the company/individual that's going to employ them gets vetted, and gets interviewed etc... etc...
 
@tristan Why are you inside?
 
To be fair I'd prefer to be inside vs outside.
 
Yeah, too much glare
 
@poke fort laderdale hasn't got around to inviting wifi yet? :)
 
1:28 PM
And he doesn't want to get sand in his laptop
 
Inside with the windows/doors open and the breeze.
 
Put up an umbrella!?
 
user559633
@poke only inside for the workday. need shade because apple refuses to make matte screens
 
And don't say "Sit in a plastic bubble" because that's just plain silly
 
user559633
also robert's reasons
 
1:29 PM
I'd never get anything done there... I'd constantly be like: "Must jump in that big puddle!"
 
@tristan that's because you buy glossy ones :)
 
user559633
@RobertGrant no, really, there's not a single apple device with a matte screen now
 
But there are devices with matte screens :)
I know about Apple's weird, showroom-centric obsession with gloss, I just mean they have no reason to change it
 
Why would you need a matte screen when the natural home for a Mac device is in a darkened coffee shop?
 
That's true; then you can see how many people behind you are admiring your creativity
As you write in your Moleskine with your Lamy pen
 
1:31 PM
@JonClements Cables?
 
user559633
I'd pay extra for a good matte screen :(
 
Umm... think I've gone a bit of matte paint left over... one sec... I'll sort it for you :)
 
Well, that one might win them over
"Create a macbook with a matte screen; charge 10% extra"
The MacBook Con
 
I miss the matte screen of my previous laptop. Now I have to see my gross reflection during dimly-lit parts of videos and games.
 
It's short for contrast, honest
Okay, I'm done now
 
user4587874
1:33 PM
Hi guys, I know this is not the place to ask for help about Gnuplot, but is anyone here familiar with it?
 
user559633
@RobertGrant Nice.
 
@user929304 you're right, this is not the place to ask for help about it.
 
Can't say that I am
 
user4587874
@Ffisegydd is there a SE platform for this type of question?
 
ahhh... think the db upload is done.... let's try some reports and see if it's all there... rbrb for a b it
 
1:35 PM
If you have a programming problem, you should probably ask it on the main site (i.e. SO).
 
user4587874
k, will do so, thanks
 
user559633
Or if they'd make a macbook pro that had developers in mind. matte screen, can take a punch
 
Doesn't look so good in a showroom (genuinely)
 
I'd like something as thin as the Air but 15in monitor (and yeah matte screen etc)
 
@Ffisegydd I wonder if other rooms get occasional off-topic tech questions of this nature. Or do we just have exceptional animal magnetism?
Darn our reputation for being friendly and well-informed!
 
1:38 PM
That's the price you pay for being kind. This is why we should just be like tristan. Then we wouldn't have these issues.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Oh yeah, and while we're dreaming, also built like a toughbook so it would last for 3 years
 
Tristan would kick interns to the kerb and make them grovel for their first interview?
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd i will drown you
 
@Ffisegydd I'm still tempted by the Dell XPS 13
 
I've got a 13in Air, love it.
 
1:40 PM
11 or 12" screen body size, 13" screen
 
user559633
all Tristan's empty threats will be nautically themed this week as they have been sponsored by the Florida Board of Tourism. "Florida: whether by retirement or raft, people just seem to drift here"
 
user4587874
1:54 PM
@Ffisegydd Done, here: stackoverflow.com/questions/30304794/… hopefully there are still enough people who care about Gnuplot :(
 
user559633
won't someone think of the gnuplot
 
Anyone use requires.io? Looks quite cool.
 
It's got an Indian Ocean TLD, so I'm sold without opening the page.
 

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