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00:05
I have all my passwords encrypted lol, 7B8qhjEovpA3h1Z+CA/Yr5FqhpyQiK26fllka7vqW/w=
Thats a random string I encrypted with PyCrypto
that looks like b64 encoding
It does use B64 to encode
EncodeAES = lambda c, s: base64.b64encode(c.encrypt(pad(s)))
00:30
Cabbage Boys :)
Are we all boys here? Some usernames it's hard to tell, and honestly I don't think about it that much. Yours, for instance. I think I remember a chat a while back where you said something that made me think you were male, but I don't really have any idea.
00:47
Hmmm, I ll limit that to Cabbage then :-) And yes, I am a boy :D
Hah, I was right about something :)
don't tell my wife...
01:10
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Q: Writing an equation in a power in python

Lord_Zane 55Im new to python and programming in general and im trying to make a program solve a math formula. the formula is a(sub n)=a(sub 1) x r^n-1. The code in python is below. Unfortunately, this is intercepted as a1*r^n, then -1 at the end. It hsould be r to then n -1 power. How can i fix this? print(...

I weep for the future of math
@JGreenwell, Just to make sure. It is ok to close that question as a simple typographical error right?
I'm not a moderator but I flagged it for that
Yeah, i agree
in truth it is a logic error but the missing () make it more typographical and less likely to be a re-occuring error (ie add any value to the site) then any other flag reason
Lord Zane does not have a bright future in the sciences or engineering ahead of him. Perhaps we should suggest he talk to a career counselor...
01:20
^
Not that his spelling is superb, either. Ouch.
@MattDMo I've been tutoring too many people in ISM/CIT/CS to guess at people's career choices
I've heard "I don't need to learn to program, I'm going to be a network engineer (administrator)" one too many times
cough should I link my gripe (above) about my job? :)
01:26
and how would you go about creating a representation of your network so you can test it virtually? In your head?
@MattDMo in my experience: hire a consulting agency, and blame them if it goes wrong due to a commit they've made to your routing.
@AdamSmith no but I should
ah, a true corporate man. You'll go far :)
@MattDMo Bah. That's exactly what our network admin does.
Although some of that, admittedly is PCI's fault. We had an auditing appliance DDOS our network from the inside the other day
Should make it a standard disclaimer on any tutoring complaints
01:28
took out debit and credit processing for all sites for about 4 hours
I just think there should be more people who can straight up say to someone: You're just not good at this. Try something else...
other majors complain but it is the networking ones that complain the most about programming
Our network admin raves about how good he is at interoperability.
Which is true, but it's only because he pays programmers to write interfaces between 20 year old hardware and Windows Server 2012
:P
and database courses......I just make sure the heavy books are out of reach for when I get a little too frustrated
Ugh that's actually something I would really benefit from. I know next to nothing about DBA
And the more time I spend programming, the more often I think to myself "Man, this would be so simple if I just knew how to save this all into SQL...."
01:32
I just wish there had been more competent programming professors when I was an undergrad. I was in a Java class for about a month before I dropped it out of sheer frustration with the dumbass teaching it.
@AdamSmith IBM-3400s ;)
@JGreenwell we have an AS400 talking to a physical Windows 95 box (that we're slowly trying to virtualize) that interfaces to our network
Although some of that is C-level edict. The owner has mandated that the AS400 be almost totally segregated from the rest of our network
oh, it's late. gotta go.
Rhubarb, all!
rhubarb
@MattDMo main problem I've encountered is nobody teaches how to make algorithms (ie. write out instructions and then code them)
rhubarb @MattDMo
01:45
@AdamSmith AS400? IBM AS400....ie. 1988 (or was it 9?) AS400?! Ouch.
yessir.
That's what we do all our accounting/payroll on
recently we did inventory management on it too. Just last month we switched that over to another product
Bonjour
This is regarding a question on interval arithmetic
am trying to understand the content given in 2.1.4
I was able to understand this para: Resistance values are usually known only up to some tolerance guaranteed by the manufacturer of the resistor. For example, if you buy a resist....... between 6.8 - 0.68 = 6.12 and 6.8 + 0.68 = 7.48 ohms. Thus, if you have a 6.8-ohm 10% resistor in parallel with a 4.7-ohm 5% resistor, the resistanc.... 2.58 ohms (if the two resistors are at the lower bounds) to about 2.97 ohms (if the two resistors are at the upper bounds).
>>> 1/((1 / 6.12) + (1/4.465))
2.581558809636278
>>> 1/(1/7.48+1/4.93)
2.9715068493150683
Dude, I used to program those things in COBOL
But I could not understand the meaning of this statement:Alyssa's idea is to implement ``interval arithmetic'' as a set of arithmetic operations for combining ``intervals'' (objects that represent the range of possible values of an inexact quantity). The result of adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing two intervals is itself an interval, representing the range of the result.
@JGreenwell "Writing an equation in a power in python", lmao
01:51
interval arithmetic? adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing two intervals represent range of result?
what I know is, range of (3, 1, 4, -2, 6) is 6 - (-2) = 8
"Lord Zane does not have a bright future in the sciences or engineering ahead of him. Perhaps we should suggest he talk to a career counselor..."
lol
So, what does it mean to say, adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing two intervals is itself an interval, representing the range of the result?
Can somebody help me answer this? siluple?
as I see it supose you have two intervals a and c
if you add them you would have the interval a U c
if you substract them you would have the interval aUc - anc (the union minus the intersection) and so on
sorry a UNION c and a INTERSECTION c ? here we are talking about resistance 6.8 ohms with 10% tolerance that mean the value is between 6.12 and 7.48
am not getting you
@overexchange I arrived a bit late to the discussion and thought it to be a mathematical riddle
02:01
what is the meaning of this statement? The result of adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing two intervals is itself an interval, representing the range of the result. am not getting this statement?
if you add two numbers you get a number, if you add two intervals you get an interval
same goes for substraction,multiplication, division etc.
representing the range of the result?
@overexchange in interval arithmetic nearly all operations to intervals return intervals
@overexchange well yeah, what else
cause if 6.12 and 7.48 is the possible range then any operations would have to use both the upper and lower ranges and result in a range (lowest and greatest)
02:05
let me confirm the defi of interval. interval between 1 and 6 is 2, 3, pi/2 anything between 1 and 6.
if add two two intervals 1 and 6 it is 7 and 7 is not between 1 and 6
so 7 is not an interval
similarly multiplying two intervals may or may not be an interval
Did you get my question?
for example if you were to add two intervals [1,6] and [1,6] the result would be the [2,12] interval
[1+1,6+6]
oh ok
adding two intervals ok
[x; x] [y; y]=[x y; x y] #might be more clear
ok ok
I got you
or what @casih said while I was getting a drink :)
02:10
Now I understood the meaning of 2.1.4 Extended Exercise: Interval Arithmetic ):
people on SO take lot of dr..
I think it is part of your lifestyle, in our place they would kick me out, if I take dr..
coffee, coke (pop/soda), or energy drinks are drinks too
though I this case I was getting water :)
hahaha
I was about to ask that
also, a lot of us use chat when we're off work (I never use it at work for instance) so night caps and such depend on culture, time, etc...
this is my office time but am about write leave request email to my boss
because I need to do these exercises ):
à plus tard
02:34
@overexchange did you even try googling that question first? The wikipedia page on interval arithmetic literally shows exactly how to do all four basic operations in the intro section. I appreciate that there were people here willing to help you, but please try to ask better questions than "I don't understand this paragraph of text."
Ah, had a good question this morning. Feels so good, even if my answer was wrong.
rbrb Badminton time
02:55
Have Fun
 
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03:57
@davidism The reason I mis-understood this paragraph, because the definition of interval is...
so when adding two interval, I misunderstood like adding any two value between 1 and 6(for example)
Don't ask bad questions. I wasn't asking for an explanation, I was stating a policy.
Did you get me?
I don't need you to summarize the previous page of messages, I already read them.
ok
But why would you like to appreciate people answering bad questions? you would equally discourage them. What kind of policy is this?
sorry I will be back after some time, negative energy...
because answering a bad question means that an answer could possibly be a) wrong and not addressing the problem the asker has or b) be over the head of the asker...
so instead of having 10 people flooding the chat trying to answer the incomplete question, it is better to ask the OP to refine the question
04:09
@overexchange I'm really not up for debating it for the nth time. This isn't a negotiation. Ask specific questions or don't ask.
When someone is patient enough to answer your unclear question, that's commendable, but it doesn't make the question any more appropriate.
@davidism he does this often?
04:25
@AnttiHaapala I <3 your posts on the RO board
heh..."the almighty Google". Interesting article
also cbg @JonClements and @ZeroPiraeus
@overexchange Your very last question should have been your first question, not to be mean just to show how to better get an answer. That last bit had an example and possible answer that you needed to confirm/couldn't understand. That also got you the answer you wanted right away.
04:31
cbg
and cbg
so funny that I've been using SQLAlchemy for 5 years but I did not really ever use .any()
been doing joins by hand all the time
YAY - MY DB QUERY HAS FINISHED - ONLY 4 DAYS RUN TIME.... WOOT WOOT WOOT
(crosses paws - please some deity - let it be right)
A 4 day long query? Maybe you need an EXPLAIN ANALYZE next.
900 billion rows across 17 tables query
in a 50 server cluster
they have other stuff to do
err, so what's wrong with that @davidism ?
04:51
Nothing, that's awesome.
last time I made a bad query and it took 7 days :(
@davidism why you removed that?
Took this with my quadcopter over the weekend.
okay... I'm going to sound incredibly naive... but going for it anyway... what is a "quadcopter"?
05:03
so it's a drone?
yeah
oh that's cheap
I wonder when will we have the first person be killed by one :D
think he UK military even deployed a jet to shoot one down once :(
@davidism how steadily will it land if the motors stop :D
I'm sure it could happen if one landed on someone, but these things are actually pretty small.
It will fall like a rock if the rotors stop.
05:06
haha so not really like a chopper then
What camera?
I remember thinking "oh right, so we still have a military force then do we"?
The vision+ has a built in 14mp, 1080p camera. You can get a version without the camera and mount your own.
so not a heavy camera (I know some kite photographers. They worry about dropping their cameras on people.)
@davidism doesn't that add weight though?
05:08
I remember a couple years ago my friends had custom built and developed one...
and now you can buy one from shop already
@AnttiHaapala this one has gps and pretty smart control software, it will return home if it's on low battery or loses connection.
@Jon not really, the heaviest part by far is the battery
one couid kill a bicyclist with that though :D
The camera is gopro sized.
another example of (a) technically cool and (b) I really don't think we're ready for the transparent society.
@davidism just be really, really careful about using that please...
05:11
as in, good room owners are hard to come by :D
They've been shot down by the military in the UK in they enter what's deemed "sensitive space"
@cphlewis yeah, I was flying it around my house at first, but stopped. I'm not looking at people though, I'm looking where I'm going!
@Jon this is probably the safest drone on the market
@davidism fly a drone anywhere near Westminster/Buckingham Palace etc... - good bye drone
the kite photographers get some of the same pushback, but they sort of have a point that anyone who objects can follow the string.
although once the photo of the CEO in footy jammies is out, what good's the string?
I live pretty close to a marine air base, haven't had any issues.
05:13
@davidsm it still hasn't delivered my parcel yet!
`footy jammies' now looks like something that will parse differently in different englishes
The control software and GPS actually knows about all restricted flight areas, and conforms to FAA regulations.
@davidism try telling that to a control that's on high-alert for activity
San Diego is where most military drones are developed, actually.
@davidism ... hey, when the gov't get privatized, think of the payoff to get on the restricted area list, and the separate payoff to get a copy of the list. Reliable revenue streams.
05:16
@JonClements This is why we need a full Trident replacement – none of that "two subs are enough" nonsense :-)
cranky as this makes me, it's still a nice picture of the pier.
Anyway, the beach is public and not near any airports, so I felt ok flying there.
I was sitting on a nice deck in the Scripps Institute of Oceanography at UCSD.
@Zero so we can promote proper "MAD"? :p
Absolutely. No-one will take us seriously if we're merely E.C.C.E.N.T.R.I.C.
@Zero bah... I'm so for it in some regards, and against it in so many others sighs
05:26
@AnttiHaapala there's actually some pretty cool stabilization algorithms for when it loses up to three of the props, but that's not part of my quad's firmware yet :)
(maybe we could just bluff we do have "it" and go from there...) :p
Yeah, some kind of polystyrene mockup of the turrets of the subs, attached to dolphins ...
Effective Central Control Engaging Nuclear Threats Reliably If Coerced ?
@ZeroPiraeus Sorry, just had to come up with something :D
just realized that... when a drone doesn't have enough power for the rotors it could still possibly do a warning sound :D
05:32
Was trying to find a tweet I sent to a radio show @Zero
@AnttiHaapala They could follow the doodlebug model – you have to worry when the sound stops ;-)
@davidism That video is incredibly impressive
(about all the people dying trying to reach Italy etc.... or anywhere that wasn't Libya)
I'm always amazed by how well control theory works for things like this :D
What's really impressive is they apparently got it to work with one motor.
05:34
the most amusing group on Facebook is the CCNA group
for Cisco Certified Network Associate
@JonClements Would be interested to see that ...
99 % of people posting there should have their cert revoked :D
@Zero think it was something along the lines of "ironic isn't it that we had to splurge our foreign aid budget on useless stuff, when it'd be useful now" - or words to that effect
I won't claim to be familiar with the details, but I'd imagine that foreign aid budgets include reserves for emergency relief. It's not like emergencies don't happen on a regular basis ...
@JonClements IIRC we never actually sent the golden elephants ...
yup... although we have climbed back to the world's 6th largest economy
mind you - weren't we one of the last to abolish slavery and give equal rights (eg: suffogrottes)?
(so yeah - not so good)
you mean suffragettes or was it a pun or what?
05:55
@JonClements Some might say we're not there yet (votes at 16 and so on). We only extended suffrage to 18-year-olds in ... 1969. And to people in Hong Kong in the nineties, of course, for purely noble reasons.
Gone while I posted :D
rbrb
06:38
@ZeroPiraeus, @BhargavRao pls downvote
for delvs
links are dead
added mine
need 1 more iirc
Which one?
the above
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Q: Algorithm failing for large input

Prabhash RathoreI recently started solving some of the Google Code Jam practice questions in order to participate in next years Google Code Jam. I started with a very basic question which works fine for small input but fails for large input when submitted to Google Code Jam site. As per my analysis and assertio...

last cvpls
ok, dv cast
06:41
guy has 12 posts, 8/12 rep per post on average
done
and gone
teaches the answerer also to not answer not-self-contained questions without editing them
Now the chiwangc would be taking revenge on us.
scared
@thefourtheye can't see the question anymore :D
just that post was removed
and then they will go see the latest posts list
and "ooh not here"
We are lucky in this case then :D
yeah
any case of spiteful action then to the meta
well yea, he won't be able to see the Q even with the link until he reaches 10k rep
or if someone with enough rep screenshots the page
06:44
yeah
we need to have a cleanup queue or sth :d
anyway, 20 rep isn't much ;P
I have only very rarely knowingly been revenge-downvoted, I gotta say.
like in this case could close the post and delv after some delay
it does happen
It happened to me thrice
cbg folks!
06:54
cbg Games
@Jerry How goes it man? Long time no talk.
good, waiting for someone to send me files
yourself?
Watching Daredevil, and learning a little bit of angular.
oh cool. How are they so far?
Pretty boring.
06:59
lol

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