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01:37
is anyone here?
02:08
@casih, yup :}
03:02
cant see to find any chat room detailing batch files.
 
5 hours later…
08:02
check out this app guys
user3079266
@haris haha, that's quite cool! :D
08:40
@Mints97 yup.. it simulates our exact behaviour wen we make a mistake... :D
helloc all;
user3079266
helloc @deckard;
user3079266
how's your config problem?
ongoing
I think it's solved with the extern config.h
user3079266
I still strongly recommend #define's. You can even make them as typesafe as the const's =)
08:42
anyway I've learn quite a lot about linking and compiling libraries
so, it's worth the time :)
yup, I agree with you
but an even better solution would be modifying the fucked up structure of the project =)
and I think that is exactly what I'm going to do
user3079266
I wouldn't call it fucked-up =)
but not today, today it's html and php day !_!
btw, what browser do you use nowadays?
user3079266
Whoa, what is it you're working on? A client-server app with the client in C and server in PHP, with public-key-crypto exchange?
I've found both chrome and firefox extremely resource hungry
user3079266
@deckard Chrome, though the damn thing keeps getting on my nerves. It's eating a bit too much memory for my poor old 2GB-RAM laptop ><
08:47
nothing that interesting, it's just a webpage for a project
@Mints97 It's the same with ff
user3079266
I wonder which browser doesn't eat that much memory... except for IE :D
I've got a ram usage of about 90% atm, with xampp, VS and a few tabs in ff
with 4GB of RAM
user3079266
oh yeah, have you heard, MS are discontinuing IE! =)
Project Spartan!
user3079266
@deckard phaha, imagine what it's like for me with 2GB of RAM... especially when half of them gets taken up by the goddamn windows phone emulator...
08:49
First was Cortana, now Spartan. Seems like they are relying on one of the cool things they have
@Mints97 About that, how is it to code for WP?
What language does it use?
user3079266
@deckard C#, of course =)
user3079266
it's mostly C# with the Silverlight framework and XAML for markup
C#...
user3079266
XAML is really, really cool, I wish HTML was like it in all but one aspect: adaptive layouts. XAML mightily SUCKS at adaptive layouts =P
I've never use anything C-like except from good'ol C
user3079266
08:51
@deckard try C# out someday. It is a really cool language =)
user3079266
it is far from being as powerful or fast as C, but it's mightily comfortable to code with
I will, I've been thinking in getting a WP and in that case I would probably want to do something with it
user3079266
BTW, I think you can also code for WP with C++
user3079266
either as CLR or natively
user3079266
and that means nearly all of the C89 stuff and syntaxis, so I guess it's technically possible to program in C for windows phone =P
08:53
hahaha
but probably not much fun
user3079266
oh ye
user3079266
the actual fun is in Silverlight
user3079266
I hate some of its API so much that I'm gonna burst
hahaha
are you currently working apart from studying?
user3079266
@deckard yep, makin' a game for WinPhone at a small game studio
08:55
that's cool
user3079266
it's a weird little game I made up. It generates CAPTCHA images of different types and gives users several answer options. The CAPTCHAs get progressively harder to solve on each level
and what are you coding for the game?
user3079266
@deckard everything! ;)
ahaha
are you the only programmer?
user3079266
yes, at least for now. Boss's promising that a server programmer will come up, but I dunno when is it going to happen...
08:58
being the only programmer in a project can be... interesting
user3079266
@deckard you bet! But so far, I just keep blowing deadlines and wishing I had time to rewrite everything from scratch XD
09:19
haha
i know that feeling
it's even stronger when you are learning while you work on something
you look at things you've code a few months ago and see all the ways they could be improved
user3079266
@deckard precisely. And thinking of all that nasty and inconsistent XAML code I produced... meh...
09:40
man
what's wrong with people?
user3079266
lots of things
i've just seen in the news that a teen entered in a high school in spain with a fucking crossbow
and started shooting people
._.
user3079266
a crossbow? woah! That's something new!
yup
is not that easy to get a gun in spain
user3079266
lol, it's still not as weird as this incident in Russia several years ago, when a guy walked into a school with a couple of plastic (!) guns, had the entire school pinned down until the police arrived, then got arrested and jailed
user3079266
09:42
school shootings happen too often these days to scare people much, IMHO
user3079266
especially in the U.S.
10:02
take care, then
=}
10:36
@deckard boyah, another GoT obsessed? Only thing.... it's not that simple to make a deadly crossbow....
@Mints97 Lynx :}
@Kamiccolo eww :*)
@deckard what's wrong with that? xD
user3079266
I'd like something Windows-based if possible XD
it is better than windows-based!
it's emacs-based!
i'm trying it right now on win and it doesn't work very well to be honest
user3079266
10:46
uum, no thanks, I'd rather stay out of that cult =P
hahaha
user3079266
@deckard as it is part of Emacs, it should rely heavily on key combinations
@deckard darn... the name xD
 
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17:01
@PeterVaro Hello, are you there?
 
2 hours later…
19:28
@Leuchte right now, I am, but only for a few minutes ;) leave me a message here, I will answer later!
19:43
@PeterVaro Sorry for the disturbance, I would just like to tell you that one of my other team members have sent you an email. We all look forward to your reply :)
20:04
@Leuchte he he, now Peter sounds really difficult to catch... :}
@Kamiccolo I'll have to throw the bus back ;)
user3079266
haha, guys, talk about bad wording in the C standard... looks like we found a paragraph in the C# standard that can be interpreted in several ways, none of which are either what was intended or what's actually happening: stackoverflow.com/questions/29750618/… if you'll figure out the correct rule in pre-C#6.0 compilers, count yourself cool ;)
user3079266
and all because I was (and sort of still am) too tired to think up proper variable names. That's hilarious. XD
@Mints97 Hello world
user3079266
helloc @DrorK.;
20:15
What exactly would you change in the text?
user3079266
@DrorK. for this statement in the C# standard?
user3079266
@DrorK. currently, 7.6.2.1 has some really unclear wording (for example, "within a given block" - what does it mean, does it include stuff in the nested blocks or not?). I'd actually formulate the idea in a different way, also making it clear that it doesn't apply to stuff like {int a;} {int a;}... but that doesn't matter now as the entire notion is being changed in C# 6.0
I figured this may be a biased place to ask, but how do you guys feel about C vs Fortran for scientific computing? I'm doing my best to learn both, but i've read a bit about Fortran being better at Arrays and C being better at IO (and also having the ability to use assembly). Anyone have anything to add to that?
user3079266
@GrantWilliams dump Fortran, it's a hunk of ancient junk that no one (except for oldschool science guys) uses anymore =P
20:20
Fortran08 is fully capable of OOP and is a completely modern language. (I 100% agree that Fortran77 code can all burn)
user3079266
as for using C for scientific computing, that may not be the best idea, unless you want to implement algorithms requiring high performance
Plus the Intel compiler for Fortran <3
@Mints97, Yes i do work in Physics so all of my coding requires parallel computing and very efficient algorithms
user3079266
@GrantWilliams wat. They still support that language O_o. They even gave it OOP O_o... what... is happening to this world...
user3079266
well dump it anyway, it's still much less used than C, few people will be able to support your code
I noticed a lot of people are pretty surprised that Fortran is still up and running, let alone becoming a very modern language. I know a lot of investment banks, aerospace companies, and fluid dynamics calculations are all in Fortran because it has some of the most efficient libraries for those areas
@Mints97, ah but in Physics its almost completely 50/50
user3079266
20:23
Just compare the number of C and Fortran questions. Be this fact good or bad, but no one uses it anymore (except for physycians)
user3079266
@GrantWilliams lots of physicyans and engineers are weird people. They even use stuff like Mathcad =P
helloc @all;
user3079266
@GrantWilliams most of current running Fortran code is, I guess, legacy code like all that COBOL in every other bank
user3079266
helloc @ShotgunNinja && @Raisen; //Wow, we're getting traffic! =P
I'm just here to laugh at all the people suffering through weird compiler error messages.
20:26
@Mints97, I would say the majority of code running right now is actually Fortran 90+ which is quite modern and not limited the same way FORTRAN77 was.

And I think Fortran will be in use in Physics, engineering, and other areas of Academia for many years to come so i wouldnt worry about people not being able to follow the code. I'm strictly interested in the performance of each one. When should i be using one over the other peformance ise
user3079266
@GrantWilliams here's some good info on performance: stackoverflow.com/questions/146159/is-fortran-faster-than-c ... although the accepted answer is not entirely correct - the C program can be compiled to perform the same number of operations
I could probably decipher Fortran code, but I'd never be able to write it.
I guess i'll continue to use both. That thread is one i've already read but i'm basically getting use Fortran for arrays/vectors and C for everything else
Oh, you actually use Fortran?
I use both right now
user3079266
20:30
@GrantWilliams that doesn't make much sense, really. If you need vectors, better go for C++, it has them implemented nicely
Fortran has built in support for Vectors and optimizes it very nicely with the compiler. It can also do matrix operations using built in functions which is easy and quick
user3079266
@GrantWilliams C and C++ have tons of libraries for this purpose =)
But Fortran has it built into the language and seems to be optimized better for matrix operations
user3079266
how do you "optimize better for matrix operations"?
Well, the speed differences nowadays might be so minimal that unless you're doing a shitload of vector or matrix math, then the flexibility of C would make it better for most developers who are used to C-like languages.
Yeah, I mean, if you really want nice, fast, optimized matrix calculations, write some assembly to utilize the processor extensions for matrix computation
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20:34
@ShotgunNinja you talking about Intel's AVX or stuff like that?
@Mints97 Yeah, stuff like that.
user3079266
I wouldn't trust this to stuff like fortran. This is what I'd code in assembly.
I mean Fortran is generally considered faster at operations that involved Matrices. So solving a system of equations using LU decomposition would probably be better in Fortran08 than in C/C++
Writing in assembly would probably be fastest, but i dont know if its realistic to have to do every matrix calc in assembly if you do work in an area like physics which can be almost all matrices
user3079266
@GrantWilliams there's a rule - there's nothing you can't optimize to mach speed with C (and a bit of asm sometimes). But if fortran makes good abstractions for working with matrices and can compile them straight to fast stuff like AVX, it could be easier for you to use it. Just make sure you don't end up with a messed-up codebase, someone will have to maintain it after you =P
C may be faster when run, but Fortran in this case is faster to develop or maintain.
20:54
@ShotgunNinja unless... You have bunch of hardcore C seniors who have never seen any Fortran code before... :}
@Kamiccolo Or a bunch of total newbies who know only C-like languages...
@ShotgunNinja ...like PHP.
Or most of the programming world that hasn't used Fortran before
I don't even know if C would be faster than Fortran in a some of those scenarious
scenarios***
Could we just stop pure speculations and stick to concrete problems and how to solve them efficiently with C and Fortran? :}
21:06
Yeah i'll just let that question die.. I'll ask some professors or something instead.
Here is a new question: what type of programming do you guys do? Do you work in academia, a tech company, etc. and what type of programming do you find yourself doing each week?
Web dev, in Java Struts and JSPs.
I wish I could go back to my roots as a C programmer in robotics or embedded systems, but this is where the money is around here.
I hate how backwards of a language Java is, and even worse that I'm working with one of the worst Web stacks for it.
@GrantWilliams Robotics, some embedded systems, Linux, computer stereo-vision and stuff. Sadly, haven't been developing anything serious lately. Maintenance mostly. Circle is short C, C++, Python and of course... some Lua :}
Neat! Im a physics major (3rd year) ive done research involving computational fluid dynamics in Matlab, C++, and Fortran.

I'm currently finishing up 2 papers on a new Genetic Algorithm design that i did in a mixture of Matlab and Fortran.
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21:23
@GrantWilliams univ student (software engineering), first-year, working part-time in a small WinPhone app studio (C# stuff)
sounds pretty interesting too!

ufff... stopped my studies at the end of bachelor. No motivation going back. Yet. Same Software Engineering.
@Kamiccolo, i want to finish a Ph.D. in computational physics, but part of me wants to start a software company too. I may just end up doing both haha.

@Mints97, that sounds pretty cool too!
user3079266
@GrantWilliams oh wow, genetic algorithms? All that cool stuff with colored graphs and DNA processes modeling?
@Mints97, my work originated with the placement of wind turbines (turns out that problem is crazy hard to optimize), and then i went on to develop a new type of parallel GA that i think is very self adaptive, and now I'm working on a paper about nesting a new type of local search algorithm a professor i know developed into a GA as a hybrid algorithm.
user3079266
@GrantWilliams woah, that's cool. Although I don't understand any of this stuff =)
21:35
@Mints97, yeah it was super fun! AI and machine learning are super interesting stuff and not too hard to get into!
user3079266
goto sleep; //cya all! And come visit our little chatroom again someday, dear newcomers! =)
22:24
@GrantWilliams Kaggle for hooking up... : }

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