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15:00
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ohhai
Hai hai
looking at your resume now.
The colors kind of hurt my eyes.
It is a reddish brown ._.
It is a reddish brown. :(
15:02
I picked that because it is a neutral color, but I can change it no problem
I don't know how much my boss cares about this for a developer, but in American we don't use the word "I" in a resume.
Ever.
I think I used a bit right ?
It's one of the few times that everything should be written in a passive voice.
(He says, using a passive voice.)
Here in Brazil, we usually put ( at least I do ) stuff that is interesting enough to raise a curiosity
We do that too.
15:04
That is why I talked about myself in a directly vague way
lemme see if I have a recentish copy of mine.
it might be the difference between a c.v. and a resume. I dunno.
I thought it was the way "americans" call CV
In Brazil we call it CV too
Well, it is a latin word
Naw, we use resumes.
A french word!
I think England uses C.V.s
Curriculum Vitae is latin ._.
and France...
I get that.
15:08
Oh
I didn't
Now I do
Hey Bill, it is 12:08 right now, I need to go to lunch really quick, I'm in a training
Okay.
Boss got in, has been in meetings since then.
Will talk with him sometime soon.
There is a clock with time to come back in 1:27:45
Gotta go
Your education section is only partially translated. There are spelling errors (decent, not decente) also some phrasing, typo, and spelling issues.
I won't pass this one along.
page 2 is light. Either fill the page or trim the first page so that everything fits on one page.
15:35
Just talked to the head HR person. She talked about sponsoring a visa. Sounds like it's a huge pain in the ass.
We might offshore, but that also leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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16:46
@Billdr back
Damnit, probably MSWord fucked me up
17:01
wb
Ok, I'm reviewing
Do you mind if I send you again ?
Sure. Might take me a while. I'd suggest sitting on it overnight and proofing it yourself before you send it along to me again.
And obviously I sent it before reading it..
the preview still shows ugly brown text. tu;dr.
The only thing it is brownish is my name at the header ._.
Should I change it ?
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hahahaha
Oh I see
imagine a ton of houses that look mostly the same with small variations.
Yeah I saw at google images
Well.. I can make a new one but I'll probably will be able to do thursday only ;/
I'm going to stay at work until late today
Don't expect anything to happen quickly on this side.
But seeing my resume ( the content obviously ), do you think I have any chances ?
17:18
Other than what I've already mentioned, no. I may make suggestions next time though.
I'd use mine as a baseline. What you did is more important than where you did it, for example.
Oh, here in Brazil, references matter a lot
Even more when you work in gigantic companies
The HR lady was interested to know you worked for PwC, but she was kind of appalled when I told her what you make.
Why would she be appalled ? And what did you tell her ? ._.
1300 a month. And we're appalled because that is not the wage we expect a knowledge worker to get paid.
Oh haha, that is very common here
I thought you told her what I work with
17:23
oh, no.
Erm, soo HR lady, this kiddo works at PwC gaining less than a hobo and he works with foreign trade dealing with export exemption and with transfer pricing systems..
That would be so funny :(
you're making about 20% more than the average burger flipper at McDonalds. :/
Haha but next year I'll get a 133USD raise
Next fiscal year*
UNACCEPTABLE.
That raise isn't because the company is being nice to me.. I'm getting a promotion
17:26
But yeah, she seems kinda skeptical that we'll be able to get you a visa.
One thing you got to agree with me.. USA don't like beaners "stealing" their jobs ;X
that is true. I am loathe to recommend outsourcing.
I'd be okay with it if you were paid roughly what you'd get paid in the US, because then you're competing on skill, not a race to the bottom.
However, if they pay you what I get paid.... I'd have to move to brazil.
I'll never get paid to match what you get
My father is a senior analyst in network/system security, he is considered to get really well-paid and he gets about 4.5kUSD
well, you'd report to me. But if you and I were going for the same position, I'd expect each of us to earn the same amount.
with margins for whatever.
However, if you can say, "Well, I should only get paid 1/5th what he should get paid" you've devalued the job and the knowledge we share.
that's the ballpark junior-mid level here.
17:32
That's roughly what I expect you to get paid.
Do you think it is possible to live with 4kUSD there ?
A month? Yeah.
Comfortably.
What?
You get paid a lot more than you'd get here, and you can live with a much more low cost than here
17:34
We also don't get a 13th month, and there's maybe 10 vacation days in a year.
We get 30 days vacation and the 13th month is a way to smoke the taxes that we pay
Right now the teacher is explaning about our taxes
We pay 27,5% income tax
that's about the same.
So if my income is 1338USD, I actually get 970USD
yeah.
And we pay one thing called INSS too
17:37
what's that?
Wait, I'm translating and searching the actual value
National Institute of Social Insurance
okay, that's social security.
Yep, but we pay it every month
we pay that too, but it isn't a huge portion. Also, it'll never pay back for my generation or younger. So, hurray!
If I'm not mistaken it is 10 to 12%
17:41
looks like it's .5% for me
So, I'll just have to keep dreaming, right ?
it's about 33% all together.
Oh well.. Maybe one day, who knows..
Maybe. Get that resume. Look into immegration/visas.
Haha, only the embassy at Rio de Janeiro can give you a visa
17:56
I imagine you can get a lot of the paperwork done online.
Or at least determine what the requirements would be.
Yeah, I'm reading it right now
Indian dudes seem to be able to make it on non-permanent residence visas for a while before immegrating.
Para os demais trabalhadores, a petição deve ser feita pelo futuro empregador.
For the other workers, the petition must be done by the future employer
I've met Mechanics from Argentina, help desk people from India, and programmers from Russia. I bet their definition of critical workers is pretty fluid.
You might cringe but they probably have a college degree
18:01
here are two subgroups within this category:

Professionals holding an advanced degree (beyond a baccalaureate degree), or a baccalaureate degree and at least five years progressive experience in the profession.
I thought you did.
Nope, even if I did not leave college in the first time, I still would be in the second year
Skilled workers are persons whose jobs require a minimum of 2 years training or work experience that are not temporary or seasonal
That'd be third preference.
Well, I've been working for 4 years already but I only have an year and a half in the work portifolio
I'm not sure how much verification they'd need.
I worked one year as trainee ( not registered in the portfolio ) and almost one year as cooperated
So those two years are not registered
But I can prove I worked there.
18:05
oh, the year of training totally counts.
So I have 2 years
there you go.
the INS, or whatever they're called now, is a huge bureaucracy. They'll have a number of people to allow in a month. They'll let in all the people who are close to first preference because those are the most valuable, then second, then third, and so on.
So the formula is A-p1-p2-p3-p4. P1 and P2 will not equal A by a long shot.
Yeah, I'm pretty much swallowing the idea that I'll be staying in Brazil for some years still
I doubt it.
Again, assuming we can extend an offer.
Extend what in the offer ?
18:10
You'd have a job lined up, you know someone who'd keep you off the streets/welfare, you don't have kids or a spouse... you're way ahead of the game.
extend a job offer.
I assume this is all moot if I can't get you in a desk.
Don't call me dumb, but I did not understand the definition for the extend an offer
"extend an offer" means the company says, "We would like you to work for us. We will pay you X and give you Y benefits. Do you accept?"
Oh, ok. I usually say to make a proposal
and there'll be a bit about how you're an at-will employee (meaning you can quit or they can fire you, either way, at any time, for any reason)
I can quit anytime actually. Everything I did is well documented and they don't need me in person to continue my legacy
18:16
and in this industry there'll be an NDA to sign, possibly a non-compete. (Don't say anything about what you do here, and you can't work for someone else in the same field for x amount of time)
the non-compete part is more for consultants though.
Oh yeah, I had to do those in Deloitte when I was working with FMC but those papers were ripped since they kinda lost the client
I'm going to grab a cigarette right now so I can think a bit
sounds good.
And I'm sweating so much...
Really warm day
Let me run, I have 15 minutes
It's almost winter!
Yeah.. At night it is freaking cold, but at day we get 28C easily
18:20
ew.
Talked to the boss. He's primed for you.
18:43
Back
Sorry for taking so long
Wait, he wants me ?
18:56
Bill, if I manage to achieve living there and working there. The first thing I'll do is kiss you. For real.
Btw, now it is 23C and it is quite decent. A bit warm, but not enough to make me sweat
19:15
sorry about that, was in another room
No problem at all
He wants you to send a resume. I want you to run it by me before you do.
Also we should get you talking on skype or something. Do you play Diablo 3?
No problem. I'll make my best to deliver it tomorrow
I am playing D3 yeah
Or hearthstone.
Don't judge me but my bot is playing for me right now. :X
19:16
Hiver#1173
I want to get the same damage my friends have so I can play with them without being a rock in the shoes
I haven't played since before the real money auction house was put in.
I quit in chapter 2 or something.
Oh, so you're really low level then
anyway, we'll bs and whatnot.
Yeah.
I can play with you, no problem
19:18
I probably don't have a character anymore.
will stop by a gamespot to get the expansion on my way home
also... you're not permitted to kiss me.
Don't care, I'll do it.
I own a gun.
and will buy a rape whistle.
Really ?
To what?
I love shooting guns
19:20
oh, yeah. I've got a USP.
because I play too much Counter-Strike.
Oh my, I used to play CS1.5 and CS1.6 so much
But I'm so terrible at CS:Source :(
CS: GO is even worse.
Yeah
I can't play that. I have a friend that plays so nicely
Ok, so I guess I won't kiss you then
Obliged.
You're a brazilian magnet
Haha, ok that was enough gayness for today I guess
19:24
My wife thinks I hate Brazil because I don't know Portuguese yet.
Portuguese is freaking hard
Even us brazilians can't speak it properly
I just never get a chance to use it. She never speaks it, and I'm way too lazy to learn it from a book or something.
Well, if I manage to go there there will be some portuguese speaking
But, I do enjoy Brazilians in a broad sense. You're like the Han Solo of cultures.
Well, the country is nice, the language is neat but most people are fucked...
19:27
I disagree on all points.
The country is nice, the nature is freaking beautiful
The metropolis is shitty
The government is fucked, the climate is too hot, and the language is complicated for the sake of not being Spanish. The people are scallywags.
Well, the government is fucked because of the culture. We were taught to be this way
Yeah.
We spend our entire lifes seeing people stealing and always doing ok
19:29
I wouldn't let a Brazilian run my business, but having one around is probably wise.
And once you're rich, you won't get arrested, at least not for real
As servants, we are better than chineses, since our suicide ratio is really low
hah
But even the pope removed a brazilian from the vatican bank so...
I'm in an industry that requires deception and unscrupulus thinking in everything but making deals and giving reports.
So... it's a natural fit. :D
Hahahahaha
That is so true
Most brazilians are really innovative because the best tool to innovation is lazyness
19:31
Yes and no.
I'm still waiting for internationally strong art or technology from Brazil. Tom Jobim and then... silence.
Well, I think you never heard Raul Seixas
I think you are correct.
You should.
Better !
Ask your wife about Raul
He was the most influential musician in Brazil
And he was my "second degree uncle"
I am reading his wikipedia entry. I may have heard this guy and not cared for it.
He made music about the military oppression, the discrimination of the people, religion..
In 1980
19:36
Cool. He used rock for what rock is for.
He was better than Roberto Carlos, Gilberto Gil, Caetano Veloso and Chico Buarque by far
I effing hate Giberto Gil.
Haha he became so important for portuguese language and literature that he can barely speak
Aaaand he is a douche too
sounds right
And after some years there was Sepultura haha
We have some sort of virtuoso like Kiko Loureiro
19:40
Sepultura is pretty great.
I'm not sold that they're innovative.
Chico Science is another contender.
Never heard about Chico Science ._.
Does Soul Fly count as a Brazilian band?
You should check out Chico Science. He did rock to mangebeat.
which I probably spelled wrong
I remember you talking about Chico Science some time ago
Francisco de Assis França (March 13, 1966 – February 2, 1997), better known as Chico Science, was a Brazilian singer and composer and one of the founders of the Mangue Beat cultural movement. He died in a car accident in 1997 in Recife, Pernambuco, at the age of 30. Biography Francisco de Assis França was born in the Rio Doce neighbourhood of Olinda, in the state of Pernambuco in Brazil's Northeast, as a little boy he would sell crabs that he caught himself in the city's mangrove swamps. He became the lead singer and major creative driving force of the groundbreaking Mangue Bit band ca...
I would argue that Filter and Stabbing Westward owe influence to Chico Science. I cannot prove it though.
Alright. I'm heading home.
As soon as I leave the course I`ll check it out
19:45
will install the diablo expansion and do some programming when I get there, I think.
Hey, good trip then
If you want to level fast at D3 search for Demonbuddy btw
Keep in touch
20:27
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