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5:27 PM
oy!
 
5:58 PM
Good evening
The chat is in just under 2 hours as of right now, isn't that correct?
 
user333306
Yes
 
user333306
UTC 8pm
 
And there's a link at the top of this page that I didn't notice as well
 
user333306
This chat application is really nice
 
6:06 PM
Yes, it is
But lately there hasn't been many people online in the rooms I find interesting
The C# room, every other message is just "18 hours later..." and so on
 
@LasseVKarlsen Man, the person that put that up there is awesome. (;
 
user333306
I changed the link of my default page from P.SE site to P.SE chat. And with a couple of other member, we decided to stay online even if no activity. Result: since a week or two we have a chat that is actually used
 
user333306
@RebeccaChernoff: who?
 
@RebeccaChernoff You think so, huh? :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff shakes head :P
 
6:14 PM
@LasseVKarlsen Careful there...

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Nov 12 '10 at 15:29, 2 minutes total – 21 messages, 6 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Nov 12 '10 at 15:34 by Yi Jiang

 
@LasseVKarlsen I've been thinking on whether there's any good way to fix that scenario, but I'm not sure there is. It seems that a majority of the top users in given subjects tend to not participate in chat...on the other hand, the JavaScript room, which has Nick Craver, Andy E and others seems to be fairly active.
 
@LasseVKarlsen it's a matter of critical mass
people don't hang out because people don't hang out.
 
That too
But the Mercurial room for instance, was frozen from one day to the next and I was in that room every day
But of course, nobody else was
So yes, I fully agree, critical mass
 
that's why there are maybe 3 or 4 really active rooms on the network: Meta tavern, Gaming's, Ask Ubuntu's and some more I don't frequent I guess.
 
the Mercurial guys stay on irc, and they have that information listed, I guess people go there instead
ie. they already have their own community
 
6:18 PM
SU and SF have just one room each, and they seem to be pretty busy too :)
 
Speaking of Mercurial, I should get the latest nightly builds installed to see if my unit tests still fail
 
6:56 PM
I check chat every now and then, but for my primary topic (php) it's usually pretty quiet. Maybe scheduled events (like this one) would be a good use of it.
and good morning/afternoon/evening all :)
 
I feel so dirty, I just browsed Stack Overflow for 'best programmer mouse'.
 
@GeorgeStocker Did you find anything?
 
Yes, The Microsoft Natural 6000 and 7000; but at that cost, I could buy a Razer Death Adder and get what I want out of it.
 
crosses fingers she doesn't get distracted by the CSTheory THC to start this one
 
I have two 23" widescreen monitors at work and the optical mice just don't have enough resolution in them to get me across two screens.
 
7:00 PM
@GeorgeStocker That is a funny problem to have.
 
@Justin No one was more surprised than I.
 
get a bigger mousepad?
 
or longer arms
 
that's plan B
Gotta love Mercurial, just test-merged a feature-branch with tons of changes back into default branch, click click click, done.
 
7:03 PM
Do they have DMs available in chat?
 
@GeorgeStocker no. All chat is public and searchable.
 
There's no direct messaging in this chat system
You can always exchange IM addresses and take it out of the system
 
If you click their gravatar there's an option to start a new room and invite that user, but nothing stops other users from joining too
 
(I'm so excited for this.)
All of my friends think I'm an Uber-Nerd.
But they just don't understand.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson They're right, but that doesn't make it bad :)
 
7:17 PM
@MichaelMrozek make that a gallery and others can't write... still, nothing private.
 
@MichaelMrozek True. It definitely doesn't stop me.
 
unless you're a mod. But who'd want to become one?!
 
@badp True. And you can mod flag and ask that they make it private, but it's a bit hackish
 
Being a mod is overrated ;)
I wonder how many people are gonna show up.
 
Speaking of stars, we should probably save them for questions during the actual chat; that seems to work well for the other town halls
And avoid starring my answers, no matter how amazing they may be
 
7:18 PM
but... stars!
 
@MichaelMrozek just a sec, let me call Chacha
 
Woo! This is on stackoverflow. No one will recognize me here!
 
Did someone just star my message saying we shouldn't star things? Well done :)
 
<-- runs arouns with no pants
 
@Polly, But we know.
 
7:20 PM
Aw
 
@AdamDavis Sorry, can't sneak by me
 
Adam, they'll recognize you for your contributions on Stack Overflow. Yeah. Be very afraid...
 
@Shog9 But without the subjective tag they won't be able to find my best contributions.
 
I miss that tag.
 
leaves to add [pollyanna] tag to all subjective questions
@JustinjjnguyNelson Need a greasemonkey script to add it to everything on P.SE
 
7:22 PM
I'm still getting upvotes occasionally on this one:
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Q: How Can I Know Whether I Am a Good Programmer?

Kristopher JohnsonLike most people, I think of myself as being a bit above average in my field. I get paid well, I've gotten promotions, and I've never had a real problem getting good references or getting a job. But I've been around enough to notice that many of the worst programmers I've worked with thought th...

It's interesting how the pithy one-offs get more popular than the difficult, lengthy answers to interesting problems.
 
@AdamDavis Probably should be moved to P.SE
 
@Justin - I'd be surprised if they wanted it. They have a pretty narrow focus - which is good, I think, in the long run.
 
Voted to migrate to P.SE
 
@AdamDavis I've gotten annoyed before by +80 answers that have like 8 words. A 10 upvote/word ratio is rather high
 
@Shog9 Same.
 
7:24 PM
snap :)
 
+1 brownie points for the jjnguy!
 
Too bad the rep no longer transfers...
 
@Shog9 Yay. I shall take all of the points I can get.
@AdamDavis It doesn't?
 
@AdamDavis Best way to know if something is on-topic for P.SE? Post it there & see if it lives.
 
migrated.
 
7:25 PM
@Shog9 I'm sure they love that strategy :)
 
It's community wiki now. Do they actually transfer the vote timing as well, to account for the initial rep-gaining upvotes?
 
I believe so
 
@AdamDavis Not sure. Check you P.SE rep now.
 
@Adam Davis If it helps, this should probably be migrated as well: stackoverflow.com/questions/342736/…
 
7:27 PM
+2 brownie points for GORTOK
 
Wait a second, how the heck does this question have a close|delete option on it. You should only be able to see delete options if the question is closed, even if it's your question, right? stackoverflow.com/questions/667553/…
 
Well, I certainly got the badges for the migrated question.
 
@GeorgeStocker It's your question...
 
@GeorgeStocker It's yours. So you 'have' the option.
 
@Shog9 He covered that
 
7:28 PM
Wow, looking through my old questions, there are a few that should be migrated. stackoverflow.com/questions/667553/… stackoverflow.com/questions/340530/… stackoverflow.com/questions/342736/…
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Nope, my rep stayed the same.
 
@GeorgeStocker I thought the rule was something like "you can delete your own question if none of the answers have upvotes" or something, but apparently not since those answers are doing pretty well
 
You can't actually delete it, but you get the option
 
And this one. Dear God I asked a lot of soft questions 'in the day'. stackoverflow.com/questions/299596/…
 
@AdamDavis Did you do a /reputation/
 
7:29 PM
Oh, ok
 
@George Heh, the early days of SO were fun.
@JustinjjnguyNelson Ayup.
 
I haven't looked at the questions I've asked in a really long time.
 
Hit the recalc trigger.
 
Humph. My "favorite colors" question got closed-deleted within hours. I shoulda tagged it [subjective]
 
I should do the same at SO and see if I lost rep due to it...
 
7:29 PM
@Shog9 Just make it CW -- the magic shield that protects you from close votes
 
@MichaelMrozek Jeff closed it, so... I doubt it.
 
Jeff has a +9 against CW shields
 
My SO rep went down by a chunk. Interesting - migrated question rep just disappears when the question is cw.
 
@AdamDavis Bummer. No I feel a little bad for migrating questions.
 
7:32 PM
hehe, not a problem in the least.
 
it's a quality question for P.SE :)
 
@Justin I don't -- but that's only because now the questions will be where they belong and you won't have new people going, "But, but, but, you used to be able to ask "favorite Frisbee for a programmer" here."
 
We should've spent the nomination week voting to migrate each other's questions to try and drive each other under the 12k limit
 
lol
 
7:33 PM
@Michael Evil. Pure Evil. Funny though.
 
@GeorgeStocker True. I will still do it, but i will just feel a little guilty.
@MichaelMrozek That would have been difficult for some of the higher rep people.
 
I'm not going to lie, if all the questions that I posed that should be migrated are migrated, I'd lose about 500 reputation.
 
@MichaelMrozek Wouldn't the limit go down when the rep went down in that case?
 
well, not now that questions are only worth 5 points a vote, but it would have been.
 
7:35 PM
@GeorgeStocker Your "downvoted after all this time?" comment got flagged, probably by someone in here :)
 
I count six questions that I posed that probably should be migrated.
 
Speaking of which, anyone else depressed by comment flags on SO now that we can see them? Other people's definition of "offensive" is apparently very different from mine
 
@GeorgeStocker Shame on you!
 
@LasseVKarlsen I don't think through my evil plans very well, but I compensate by having lots of them
 
@MichaelMrozek Some people are over sensitive
 
7:35 PM
 
@MichaelMrozek I know, right? No one else auto-flags every mention of VB...
 
@MichaelMrozek :)
 
@MichaelMrozek Oh, that's a new feature. Have a link to an interesting example of flags on inoffensive content?
 
@Shog9 I'm pretty close to auto-flagging every mention of w3fools; I think people use scripts to post that link on any answer that mentions w3schools
@AdamDavis I haven't made a compendium, but about half the SO comment flags at any one time shouldn't be flagged
 
@MichaelMrozek As they should.
 
7:36 PM
Right now there's one for "this answer is wrong"
Here's one on a possible duplicate comment
 
The sheer number of complete bullshit answers that reference w3schools as their source is depressing.
 
@Shog9 That doesn't mean we need to link to w3fools every single time it happens
It's like linking to an emacs vs vim website every time someone mentions those editors
 
@MichaelMrozek I just down-vote, but some folks have hang-ups there and feel the need to comment.
 
@MichaelMrozek Oh, are you just talking about the 10k tools? I thought you meant that the comments themselves were marked with something to indicate whether they've been flagged or not.
 
7:38 PM
@Shog9 That number approaches infinity (ref: w3schools.com/number/trend)
 
@AdamDavis No, just the 10k tools
 
@MichaelMrozek don't forget that "noise" is a valid comment flagging reason
 
I count six questions that I posed that probably should be migrated.
 
Oh, incidentally George - I flagged the comment. Nothing personal, just really detest "why the downvotes" comments.
 
@GeorgeStocker Heh, I'd have a lot of questions to transfer if I went through them.
 
7:39 PM
(It'll probably be what finally drives my flagger-rating into the dirt)
 
@Shog9 no worries. FWIW, Jon Skeet posts a comment when he gets downvoted as well.
 
I know. I flag those too. ;-)
 
Here's one for those itching to use up their close votes:
 
I'm thankful when it doesn't end up as a meta post decrying the horror of anonymous downvoting and ending with a proposal to require comments on downvotes
 
I'm pretty sure a kitten dies when someone does that
 
7:40 PM
20
Q: You are or will be a laid off programmer - what do you do a year ago, right now, tomorrow, and next week?

Adam DavisMany programmers, software engineers, and other technology professionals are out of work, facing layoffs, or are unprepared for layoffs though they feel secure right now. What should every programmer do right now (even if secure in their current job) to prepare them for layoffs down the road? ...

 
It's theraputic to clean house. I figure if I'm going to continue to vote to close questions that belong somewhere else, I should really start with myself.
 
@AdamDavis The answer is obviously to become an SO mod
 
And it's interesting to see how different SO is today than it was in 2008. It's a good thing, I think.
 
The comments back then were gold! Gold I say!
 
@AdamDavis Interesting how quickly that question was moved to programmers.SO the moment it was posted here.
 
7:42 PM
@GeorgeStocker I didn't particularly like SO in 2008, so I think it's a good thing :)
 
@Michael We were in the process of making sausage back then. It's never a pretty sight.
 
1 min ago, by Adam Davis
Here's one for those itching to use up their close votes:
 
SO in 2008 was a crazy site. No rules or order
 
We just didn't know enough to realize that's what we were actually doing.
 
@ErickRobertson It's a good sign. Means the potential mods aren't pulling punches!
 
7:42 PM
When does the moderator chat start?
In 15-20 minutes?
 
yep
 
@AndreasBonini Yes
 
ok thanks
 
@MichaelMrozek Yes, and I was one - but I wasn't trying to up my close votes - ha.
 
7:43 PM
I remember when there was a high reputation user back in the day that would delete any comment that he didn't like on his posts (this was when 10K users could arbitrarily delete comments). What's funny is that ability was removed shortly thereafter.
brb
 
wow you guys are quick! Like sharks on blood in the water, eh? Now I can see if non-wiki questions still transfer rep.
@GeorgeStocker Actually you didn't have to have 10k rep, but you could only delete comments on your posts.
 
It's kinda fun to 'gang-migrate' question. Feels like justice is being server=d...
 
@GeorgeStocker 5K, I think. I remember deleting comments, and don't think I hit 10K before that ability was killed.
 
@AdamDavis have you put your pants back on yet?
 
Does anyone remember when there weren't comments?
 
7:45 PM
Aw, reputation cannot be recalculated more than once a day.
 
That was utter chaos.
 
@AdamDavis Oh yeah... Good to remember that comments used to be even more worthless.
 
@AdamDavis Ask a mod to do it
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson yes. Folks chatted via answers. It was chaos.
 
7:45 PM
@JustinjjnguyNelson You mean when people just posted stuff as answers, forum-style? Kind of like it still is for 1 rep users? :)
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Yeah, and it was a huge fight to convince Jeff otherwise. Now we have a constant stream of people asking to downvote comments, develop a comment hiearchy, etc.
 
Well, ok, some rebels decided they'd try to have conversations within a single answer, wiki-style... cough Adam cough
 
@MichaelMrozek Well, any comment-like activity was not allowed.
I think redit-style comments could be good.
 
Nice that badges are almost immediate on migrate, though.
 
7:47 PM
SOIS should integrate Google Wave :)
 
haha
wave is dead
 
as a product, not as a technology
 
@Shog9 Hey, that was @GeorgeStocker's innovation.
 
@LasseVKarlsen You're pretty much using SOIS' version of Google Wave right now
 
I meant into the whole site
 
7:48 PM
We need interactive oneboxes
 
What is this SOIS I always hear lately
 
See answers being written before your very eyes :) Collaborative editing on wiki answers, etc.
 
we just need to edit each others' words, for great justice
 
Stack overflow internet services
 
7:48 PM
It's not wave if we can't play chess at the same time, and it bogs down when more than one person edits a wave at a time.
 
:S
What an ugly acronym =(
It seems like asking for help, SOS
 
@ErickRobertson Yes, I put them back on. @JustinjjnguyNelson ID'd me, so I'm not as anonymous as I once thought I was.
 
I suppose it would be wrong of me to paste this after every answer I give:
 
I do believe that if we're going to have a 'List of X' question, then the only way to have a good result would be to have one canonical answer ,like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/194812/…
 
@MichaelMrozek Somewhat like going around all day, adding, "As according to prophecy" after every sentence you utter?
 
7:50 PM
@AdamDavis I'd be ok with that
 
@GeorgeStocker The best thing about that is that it actually has to be curated. Reinforces the whole "wiki" aspect.
 
@Shog9, yea, and you can't just let people write their own answers to it, because then you get 50 pages of things people aren't going to see.
 
@GeorgeStocker We manage to bend meta into supporting list answers all the time, so it's certainly possible, it just doesn't work great
 
7:52 PM
I wonder if Jeff will attend.
 
@Michael, right -- that's exactly the impetus for my feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57226/…
 
He was in the SF one, I think
 
An event is starting in 7 minutes!
 
I stopped playing Forza just to be here, everyone better have good answers! ;)
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson WHICH ONE?!
@TimStone I plan to play Forza during the town hall. Because I'm that talented
 
7:53 PM
@MichaelMrozek Not sure, I think it is in the tavern. Maybe you should leave this room. :P
 
@GeorgeStocker Jeff is pretty anti-features that make it easier to post lists, and I'm kind of on board with that too
 
@MichaelMrozek Ah, that might make up for the -10 points I've already given you for being @MichaelMrozek
 
@Michael I am as well; but if we're not going to have a close reason for 'list of x' then we should explicitly support the behavior.
 
@GeorgeStocker NaRQ seems to cover it pretty well
 
@GeorgeStocker There's a reasonable middle ground: We don't explicitly support it, but if it gains popularity fast enough, then here's the best format...
 
7:55 PM
@MichaelMrozek What is that one-box that you posted? It is still loading for me.
 
@GeorgeStocker It's one of those things that was easily possible once upon a time... Just post one CW answer, and close your own question.
 
@Michael you'd think it should, but you'd be surprised how many questions on meta start with 'My question was wrongly closed' even though it was correctly closed, just the wrong reason got listed.
 
@Shog9 you can request a lock, I guess
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson It's a picture of balpha with a speech bubble saying "Michael Mrozek is correct" -- you're not missing much
 
@Michael See what I mean? meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=my+question+was+closed (Thank God for the new Search)
 
7:56 PM
@MichaelMrozek you knew we were going to use your service against yourself and turned it off!
 
@MichaelMrozek So even the system knew that was wrong? ;)
 
@balpha 's opinion doesn't matter :P
 
Er. Yeah, my desktop apparently locked up shortly after I posted that
I'm pretty sure @balpha h4x0red my b0x
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson You are correct.
what now?
 
He's been known to do that
 
@balpha That's why you only speak in facts instead of opinions, right?
 
@badp That's why I started using so.mrozekma.com, so if I ever take my server down I can hopefully move the SO images to dedicated hosting and not break hundreds of images in posts
 
@TimStone Maybe, maybe not.
 
@TimStone Nah. The staff doesn't have "choices," just a big red yummy "Withdraw application" button. (← not really)
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Balpha may not always be right, but he is arguably better than awesome.
21
Q: TO: Balpha RE: Unicorn infestation

PollyannaDear Mr. Balpha, It has come to the attention of the AWESOME committee that you have recently exceeded your awesome quotient. Normally this letter would simply serve as a warning and reminder as to your obligations in the LEAGUE OF AWESOME with regards to your display of AWESOME, however your r...

 
7:58 PM
^ It's Showtime.
(Well, it will be by the time that video ends).
 
Those unicorns were pretty cool.
 
@badp Ah, of course, of course.
 
<-- runs around (this time with pants)
 
@RebeccaChernoff looks awfully idle, she better not be late!
 
We have to wait for @RebeccaChernoff. She is still doing hte CSTheory Town hall
 
7:59 PM
Ah, right..
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson she is fighting her way out of there
 
@TimStone basically they choose the mods then generate votes according to that! (← again, not really.)
 
10...9...8...
 
@Pekka Sounds good.
 

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