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9:58 AM
Linking this Workplace answer because I think it's underrated:
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A: How do I tell my colleagues that the codebase they've built is a total mess and their practices are ancient?

Aaron HallSounds like you really know what you're doing, but be careful you don't get off on the wrong foot with your new colleagues. If you're that good, you should be able to make positive contributions to each person's repositories. The better programmers are likely to not mind you improving their code,...

 
 
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11:01 AM
Are you kidding me? Not one word of this tag wiki edit was copied from an external source. The one I was trying to replace was nothing but copypasta from a page linked at the end. So, you felt that it was better to leave an awkwardly out-of-place snippet copied verbatim from another site than approve a real tag wiki that someone put solid effort into? Can you honestly say that what you left in place is better than what I wrote? I'll come back and delete this comment, but I'm simply incredulous about this :( — Adi Inbar 23 mins ago
 
11:12 AM
@AdiInbar Hello.
 
@Unihedron Okay, I've joined. :) Help me understand... Originally I was only going to create an excerpt, but then I saw that the wiki had a body (previously hidden, because there was no excerpt), and that it was absolute garbage--it was just a copied piece from the page linked at the bottom, and that the way it was phrased was really incongruous as a tag wiki....
...So, I spent some time putting together a real tag wiki. It boggles my mind that three reviewers rejected this edit with a comment practically alleging that my wiki was plagiarized, when it seems pretty obvious to me that it was original material, written in SO's tag wiki style.
But the main thing I'm having trouble understanding is how anyone would think that the garbage that was there to begin with (and is still there now, since the edit was rejected) was better than what I proposed.
If anyone for some reason didn't like what I wrote, shouldn't they come up with something better rather than just reject and leave something totally inappropriate in place?
 
Hmm, I see. Well through my review task I clicked on the links that were there, and saw that the content you added was partially copied. I saw that there was already a vote on rejecting, so I skimmed your wiki and noticed that it was quite circular. I usually reject such edits with "copied content" (it's how it appears on our review pane) so that the editor can re-write a tag wiki specific to help the Stack Overflow community.
And frankly, your edit comment:
> Replaced the entire body, which was a copypasta of a section of the page linked at the bottom and didn't function well as a tag wiki.
 
Um, take a look again. Not a single phrase of it was copied from anywhere.
 
^ Wasn't very convincing as an edit of its own. Remember the edit has to stay in the history.
 
It was the content I was replacing that was copied--from the very page that the author linked to. That's what I was referring to in my edit comment.
You do realize that the stuff on the right is the proposed edit, and the stuff on the left is the original text? ;) I ask, because if you follow the second link, you can see that the entirety of the text on the left side was copied from that page. And it really doesn't read like a tag wiki, it actually sounds like something that was just grafted from somewhere else (which it was). And had useless quoting characters at the beginning of every line to boot.
Sorry, I should say "has" rather than "had", because it remains as the wiki info for this tag. :)
 
11:29 AM
I don't know what else to add to this conversation. I do realize how the UX works, you can try submit the edit again if you feel it was falsefully rejected.
Though, with a descriptive edit comment noting that it's a re-submit.
 
Hmmm...is re-submitting a rejected edit considered legit? I've seen it a few times in suggested edits, and was actually quite annoyed because in all cases they were bad edits that deserved to be rejected (some were rejected again, some approved by sleepwalking rubber-stampers). I was going to ask about it on meta but never got around to it.
 
Repeated similar edits that gets rejected consecutively can lead to harsh, undesired results, so a descriptive edit comment is mandatory.
 
In any case, after a 3-1 reject (which I don't believe I've ever had before) I wanted to at least understand what the reasoning was behind the reject votes. I thought maybe my comment might have been misunderstood, maybe the reviewers though I was saying that my edit was the copypasta? Is that what you meant when you referred to my edit comment not being convincing?
Anyway, I'm signing off for now. Time for bed, it's late here (by "late" I mean the sun just came up...) Thanks for discussing this with me.
 
@AdiInbar That was what I thought, on a very short spark of moments when I saw your comment. I've also addressed a similar aspect, but users racing to reject edits which were drastic, but were actually good edits.
@AdiInbar Oh, good night! Sweet dreams.
 
12:04 PM
@Sam Hmm... not sure.
Can you provide your code?
 
12:49 PM
@Stijn Yeah, me too :)
@Stijn I've heard about it. I can be happy that I didn't need to go to Brussels.
 
 
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Sam
4:41 PM
@ProgramFOX Sure.
@Pro Deh codez.
(I've still gotta clean it up, so it's kinda ugly atm.)
 
@Sam Is the fkey successfully fetched?
 
Sam
Yep.
 
@Sam Have you tried some classes with cookie support?
So I mean that the class keeps the returned cookies and sends them when you request another page.
 
Sam
Yep. That's what I've been doing from the beginning.
 
Sam
4:50 PM
I make all requests via the RequestManager class (which handles cookies)
 
I see.
 
Sam
Ugh, why does code indenting look sooo ugly on github?
 
@Sam Have you tried it on host stackexchange.com or on another host?
 
Sam
Erm, well all my test were done on chat.meta.stackexchange.com (the sandbox room).
 
aha, that might cause it
Can you try the chat.SE sandbox room (ID 1)?
 
Sam
4:54 PM
Sure, just a sec...
Just need to get the full url...
 
Sam
Thx.
K, just loading...
 
@Sam Uhh.. I saw Pham joining Tavern on the Meta and not the Sandbox. Was that intentional?
 
Sam
Yeah. That's just me starting up Pham.
 
Sam
4:59 PM
I'm testing this out on Gham ;)
Noooo, my SE Chat login method can't find authToken or nonce :/
 
Sam
Strange, because my site login and open ID methods work fine.
(ah, this is why I was using the MSE sandbox)
 
@Sam Yes, but you need a method to fetch the fkey which is in the SEChatLogin, so you need that method anyway.
 
Sam
Ok, but, in the ChatExchange API, the code tries to get the value from those to elements and then posts them to http://chat.stackexchange.com/login/global-fallback.
So, get fkey from http://stackexchange.com/users/chat-login and then post the users cred's + fkey to http://chat.stackexchange.com/login/global-fallback instead?
 
Looking...
 
Sam
5:08 PM
 
Night! Good luck getting it to work! ;)
 
Night!
 
Sam
Night! Thx ;)
 
@Sam Have you added the referer in your C# code?
 
Sam
Yes, but only to the POST request.
 
5:13 PM
@Sam Is that referrer http://stackexchange.com/users/chat-login?
 
Sam
Yep.
 
Hmm...
Can you try debugging to see whether the DOM fetching works?
 
Sam
As in, what the first request (GET) returns?
 
@Sam Yes, and what the dom["input"]... returns.
 
Sam
Sure.
This is the raw response.
Just getting dom["input"]...
 
5:21 PM
@Sam Hah, there is a typo in one of the comments of that reponse :D
 
Sam
:D
 
@Sam Nice, looking forward to see the results!
 
Sam
Now, would a screenshot of what dom["input"] returns be enough?
 
@Sam Sure.
 
Sam
 
5:24 PM
@Sam Then .First returns the wrong thing.
wait, no
There is still a comparison, so nevermind.
 
Sam
Right. See, the elements don't even exist.
 
Hm, there is no input field with the name authToken.
@Sam You just beat me ;)
 
Sam
;)
 
They really need to put up an official SE chat api.
 
Sam
5:27 PM
^
 
Or at least document how it works better..
 
Sam
^
 
Oh well, I've planned JChatExchange, which might be finished before your ChatExchange.Net :D
 
Sam
The strange thing is login_se_chat gets them though.
:D
 
5:28 PM
keyword 'might'
:D
 
Sam
:D
 
:D
Well, night!
 
Night!
 
Sam
Night!
 
5:31 PM
oh cool people from Asia. :D
 
Sam
27 mins ago, by Sam
So, get fkey from http://stackexchange.com/users/chat-login and then post the users cred's + fkey to http://chat.stackexchange.com/login/global-fallback instead?
^ D'you think that would instead?
 
@Sam I have no idea, but you can always try.
@Sam ChatExchange does stuff with a usr cookie. Do you use that somewhere?
 
Sam
I just send all the cookies I get.
Actually.
I guess that could, be an issue. (I'll try just POSTing with the usr cookie.)
 
@Sam Try to pass those cookies for the GET request.
 
Sam
Will do.
I'll ping after I've tried out these new options (and if they still fail)...
@ProgramFOX Oh, wait. I already do that. But I'll try just passing the usr cookie instead...
 
5:42 PM
k
 
Sam
6:20 PM
@Pro Ok, well I've managed to get eventtime (by not sending any cookies). Strange...
 
@Sam huh, okay
 
 
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7:43 PM
has the silkroad been shut down again?
 

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