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2:16 PM
good morning
 
morning!
 
Hello @Sagar
 
morning all ... I've had my coffee but I wouldn't believe it
can we extend a chatblock to SO as well? :p ... there's a certain C# coder that I'm starting to wonder if he's really wanting to write code or if he is just looking to make a quick buck ...
 
2:31 PM
lol
seriously?
 
I know right?
but every single one of his questions makes me want to claw my eyes out
 
@entens, @shingara how is it going?
 
"how do I write a clone of SSMS for my first year intro to C# project"
 
LOL
 
"how do I write this other piece of commercial-alike software that ..." I'm not going to finish it since he's in chat atm ... not too hard to figure out
 
2:33 PM
@drachenstern Calm down....it's Friday. You're almost done. You want to be able to see stuff during the weekend...you can do that on Monday
lol
Can today go fast please? I really want it to go fast.
 
I am fine
 
lol
I want it to go fast too ;)
I just don't understand how people decide to get into my business
it's not like you can make a lot of money doing it
(well, ok, most people can't, a few of us can :p )
 
lol
 
158 million records in my child table, in two days ... my import is working well :D
I hope to break 250 million today
 
nice!
 
2:37 PM
noice!
 
then we get to really see how well my filtering queries to extract data work :D
before I've been working with like 50million row datasets
interesting question:
 
i need to fix my database. i was scraping financial market stats (personal project) but something broke. i was at ~1gb a day scraping and storing computations.
 
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Q: Overhead of try/finally in C#?

Platinum AzureWe've seen plenty of questions about when and why to use try/catch and try/catch/finally. And I know there's definitely a use case for try/finally (especially since it is the way the using statement is implemented). We've also seen questions about the overhead of try/catch and exceptions. The q...

 
yep
I doubt there would be any change in overhead.
 
so some testers have said
 
2:45 PM
oh well
 
3:18 PM
Hello minions
 
bwahahahaha
oh wait, that was your line huh?
 
I mormally go with a muhahahaha
 
things that make you go hmmmm ... "@drachenstern: lol , i must admit, i have not read your responce"
 
But bwahaha works allso.
 
hello!
hahaha
no? I guess we're going with the evil laugh today..
 
3:21 PM
maybe
if I get more "oh I can't be bothered to actually read what you said" tho I'm going to leave SO for the day
and go play in a sandbox or something and write twisted code that serves no purpose
anyone want to play on some javascript with me? :p
 
who's doing that?
 
Twisted code that serves no purpose?
You're right I should focus on work.
 
ba-dum-ching
 
Can someone do me a favour?
 
3:28 PM
what ?
 
There was a legit question I downvoted by mistake. I thought I cancelled that, but apparently not. Can someone upvote it so it is back to 0 please?
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Q: Hudson SVN Checkout failures occur frequenctly on VMWare virtual machines

snowballhgWe've recently been experiencing seemingly random SVN checkout failures on our Hudson build system. Google search has failed me; I'm hoping the stackoverflow community can help me out :-) We are occasionally receiving the following SVN error when our Hudson build jobs checkout source via the Hud...

:(
 
done
 
thank you
 
3:40 PM
@Sagar if you click again on the downvote button, it's not desactivate your vote ?
 
@shingara if you wait too long, that's correct
 
After 24 hours I believe
I thought I had removed the downvote, so I did not bother after that. I checked again yesterday when I was going through the questions, and found that it was still downvoted :\
 
oh and somehow I'm down to four votes left today :(
 
Lots of voting last night?
 
this morning
 
3:47 PM
I require more cacert experience.
 
There's a limit on how many votes one can give?
 
I think I compulsively participate in sites where I get to collect points.
 
lol
 
30/day or some such nonsense.
 
oh ok
 
3:49 PM
I haven't even used 2 days worth :O
 
@Sagar daily
lol@mootinator
I on the other hand: 1109 Votes
 
wow
 
30 upvote by day maximum ?
someone ask me this question today
 
no, just 30 votes by day
 
I suppose they are no limite
 
3:51 PM
up, down, comments, questions
 
ok up or down
even comments
 
Hmm, do I want to optimize SQL or try to fix a stubborn MVC problem today...
 
don't even ask me how many comments I vote on, cos those don't count in that 1109 figure ... those are strictly comment and answer votes
 
an upvote on comment earn some point or not ?
 
optimize sql, it's what I'm doing
currently waiting on an import to finish through june 2010, then kick off one more for june - august
 
3:53 PM
@mootinator either, depending on which you can forget about when you leave work...
 
remember, remember, the 5th of november...
 
The advantage of optimizing SQL, of course is the first step.
 
I think I'm in love with Applesauce
First time I've had it, ever.
 
Click "Include Actual Query Plan"
Click "Run"
Wait 20 minutes.
 
sorry, had to get it out.
lol @mootinator
 
3:54 PM
@Sagar hah
 
4:06 PM
and I'm back. And thank you @entens for reminding me ... now I want to listen to V on my iPhone while I work ... so I got my Bose out, only to find out that my left headphone is out ...
 
Dammit I'm multitasking. that wasn't the plan at all.
 
what sucks is having a nice pair of these bose.com/assets/images/shop_online/ae2_headphones/… and then finding that they're broken
and for the record, the chrome plugin to auto open pdfs in googledocs is a miracle product
 
@drachenstern what version of chrome?
i think a native pdf viewer got added in version 8, or was it 9?
 
oh good lord I'm way behind then
I'm still on 7.x
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Q: Add space after each fourth + sign

MonikaHi, I have such a text for example: "A01+B02+C03+D04+E05+F06+G07+H08+I09+J10+K11+L12+M13+N14+O15+P16" I would like to add a space after each fourth '+' sign. This is because if the text is too long in the grid's cell in my page, then it's simply cut off. So I'm thinking to simply wrap the st...

do people not think about the questions they're asking?
 
Obviously they should use - instead of + every fourth time because that's the standard way to indicate where to put a linebreak
Damn.
 
4:29 PM
omg, the Bose customer support line voice sounds like the kid from Ferris Beullers day off
877-210-3782
thank you for calling the mortuary, we're not here right now
 
Ben Stein?
Bueller?
Apparently this chat room won't tolerate that joke.
 
My last name is Buehler. I've become immune.
 
Before most people's time in here
lol
 
@entens I wasn't worried about you, I mean it just technically won't let me repeat myself.
I'm having a hard time believing I actually typed out this code I'm refactoring in the first place.
 
hey all
Happy Diwali
:)
 
4:37 PM
:)
 
:) :)
 
I feel left out. All these other cultures are having various celebrations involving burning things today.
 
so replacement headphones cost a cool $90 less when I return these that have become useless, so that's not bad, and I get updated drivers and a better cord system. Nice job Bose
@mootinator it doesn't let you repeat things even between chatrooms
 
i swear, my HR dept. is retarded. cant wear headphones because its a 'fire hazard' :|
i can see and feel fire. i am not going to burn to death in my cube.
 
I need to figure out what I did with my earbuds so I can listen to V
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A: Calculating Extremely Large Powers of 2

Lie RyanThe key here is to notice that: 2^2 = 4 2^4 = (2^2)*(2^2) 2^8 = (2^4)*(2^4) 2^16 = (2^8)*(2^8) 2^32 = (2^16)*(2^16) 2^64 = (2^32)*(2^32) 2^128 = (2^64)*(2^64) ... and in total of 25 steps ... 2^33554432 = (2^16777216)*(16777216) Then since: 2^43112609 = (2^33554432) * (2^9558177) you can fi...

just wow, I never even considered that
 
5:03 PM
@Richa Happy Diwali! @mootinator You can always join in :)
 
Happy Diwali! BURNS CLIENT REQUIREMENTS!
3
 
Happy Guy Fawkes day! BURNS EFFIGY OF CLIENT
 
for some reason I thought it was the 6th
 
lmao
 
5:08 PM
how many votes does it need to be shown?
6
 
in here? none
it will or it won't
 
@drachenstern Sounds reliable.
 
@mootinator yeah, it does sound cryptic huh?
 
Programming: The act of weaving phrases you don't really understand in between words the person who asked you to do the job doesn't really understand.
 
LOL
@entens Stop burning clients! How will you buy the lamps to burn stuff next year?
 
5:17 PM
lol
 
Lunch time = 1/2 way to beer o'clock. brb
 
Beer thirty is in 10 minutes here.
 
Beer o'clock IS lunchtime here :D
At least on fridays.
 
Beer thirty is lunchtime here on Fridays. We're late though.
 
5:35 PM
High five for beerlunch.
 
beer o'clock in our office
 
5:53 PM
Customer asks "Can we only advertise to people who feel lost in their lives?"
 
haha
So everyone?
 
You should charge extra for that.
"It will be a lot more work to add that kind of logic". You know, 20 hours more. I will umm...need more payment for that...extra time and what not..
 
hehe if only
learned from Food Network... mac & cheese on a hot dog
wawa sells hot dogs, wawa sells mac&cheese bowls (cooked)... :)
 
nice
i have not eaten mac and cheese in a while
i think that's for dinner tonight :D
 
6:07 PM
I almost made some last night
 
I'm getting hungry again... :S
 
me too
but I haven't gone and eaten lunch yet, so I should noww
 
I just ate... :S
 
@DanGrossman now that's just mean.
 
6:32 PM
I had teryaki salmon.
It was overcooked.
Chef Ramsey would not have been happy.
grr
 
hello again...
not happy is an understatement lol
 
7:30 PM
ergh
 
7:50 PM
The stairwell gouged me
Is there a stackexchange site for stupid medical questions?
I just got gouged by a dirty old building. Should I get a Tetanus shot?
 
have fun storming the castle boys
 
@mootinator just pour some vodka on it.
 
woohoo DB pegging out it's disks ... so sad that they only hit 100MB/sec
 
You mean I bought a $20.89 First Aid Kit for the office when I could have just bought a 26 of Vodka? :(
I would have got waay more use out of the Vodka.
 
speaking of vodka .. ya'll seen RED at the theaters?
 
8:07 PM
I haven't been to a theater in 6 months
(new dad)
 
well congrats on that
when you get a chance, pick it up from RedBox or the like
 
hola
 
hi
I did enjoy horrifying innocent people by going to the pharmacy with my arm covered in blood.
 
8:22 PM
lol
 
so the movie was kinda cliche
but the actors themselves did a good job with the roles they had.
they're all getting old tho, it'll be interesting to see when my generation gets into those roles in about another five or so years
who do you think is gonna be the next Bruce Willis?
wow it's amazing what a googlesearch will turn up if people will just try for themselves
javascript room someone asks "what all can I log to console in firefox"
googling "firefox console log" gave just the answer he needed, I merely provided him the link ...
 
Welcome to the world of lethargy :)
 
I know right?
I just wanna scream "ya killin me smalls"
 
hahah
 
@Sagar you're on which side of the pond?
ok arlington
so you know The Sandlot I take it?
 
8:28 PM
Nope.
 
Never seen it.
 
cute film, family friendly, worth checking out sometime
 
ok
 
I wouldn't make it my next friday night flick, unless you got kids
 
8:28 PM
I've heard the line "ya killin me...". this movie I take it?
 
but one of the taglines is "you're killing me smalls" ... anyways
I figure @mootinator has about 5 more years for he'll show it to his tike :p
 
haha
I've heard that line before...
Nah, no kids here. I'll watch it , probably not on a Friday night though.
 
somebody wanna speed my database up? kthxbai
lol, mkay
it's a good summer flick
 
As long as you sign a liability form...
 
8:31 PM
lol
hey @StephenCanon how goes it sir?
 
Ever delete a chunk of source code then want it 5 minutes later?
Hooray for SVN
 
lol, yes
 
@mootinator way too often for my own good
 
hooray for commentblocks
 
@drachenstern I tried that. It was being difficult, so I just deleted all of it.
 
8:34 PM
lol
 
I'm more powerful. You suck! <delete> Oops
 
by the time I commit to hg, I don't care about old blocks, and until then it tends to be in the editor long enough I can just ctrlz my way to restoration.
and then there's always my kilnhg.com/repos where I can look up code on the fly
 
@drachenstern What's wrong with your database?
 
@DanGrossman importing 2.5million rows at a time, after calculating them into a temptable on the same disk, for hours on end
table's up to about 200million records at this point
 
8:41 PM
i guess you're i/o bound huh
 
it has to parse it, calculate a few details, build a set of header records for the common fields, insert the headers into the parent table, then insert into the child table
at speed it does it in 2.5 minutes per couple million records
and I'm probably building indexes as I insert (which I thought I turned off but who knows when you're almost done you don't care)
 
Hello
 
multiple inserts per query right?
 
yeah, mostly i/o bound
it's inserting in 100k batches if that's what you mean
 
nothing you can really do then :/
 
8:43 PM
oh, I optimized part of it past what the dba had, they were joining off the source table of millions of rows
I at least pre-parse that table into a temp to keep lookups low
 
i mean INSERT INTO table (col1, col2, col3) VALUES (val1, val2, val3), (val1, val2, val3), (val1, val2, val3), ...
 
@Chacha102 hey
 
how much of your calculation actually changes?
 
insert into (blah blah) select from #temp
it's the unpivot that's murderous on calculations
it's unpivoting 200 columns
 
hmm, what the heck is unpivoting?
 
8:45 PM
crazy microsoft stuff
 
we know the performance gain is worth the unpivot, but we need the source data translated, and I'm backporting 3 years of data
 
lol
 
lol, crazy microsoft stuff indeed
 
please explain this ms crazyness
 
@Darknight was that a question about "what is unpivot" or "what sort of data is pivoted like that"?
 
8:46 PM
any time someone's talking about SQL and suddenly uses a word you don't recognize, just assume it's microsoft
 
so imagine you have a table like this:
[id] [hour1] [hour2] [hour3] [hour4] [hour5] [foreignkey] (but for me it's 200 columns)
the indexes can do a better job with this:
[id] [hour-number] [value] [foreignkey]
so the script translates the 200 columns into 200 rows, more or less
 
Ever got off the phone with a client and realize you said"Ok, I'll look that shit up for you."
 
@mootinator yep
and the script does it for a couple hundred thousand source records at a time
 
oooh I see, its a matrix transform [00] -> [0]
 
so pretty much I'm waiting on a triple cycle: read from disk then calculate in memory then write to disk
exactly
but the name in terms of tables in the business world is PIVOT
 
8:48 PM
aah matrix transformations...linear algebra
 
Excel I think is what named that
- In data processing, a pivot table is a data summarization tool found in data visualization programs such as spreadsheets (for example, in Microsoft Excel, OpenOffice.org Calc and Lotus 1-2-3) or business intelligence software. Among other functions, pivot-table tools can automatically sort, count, and total the data stored in one table or spreadsheet and create a second table (called a "pivot table") displaying the summarized data. Pivot tables are also useful for quickly creating unweighted cross tabulations. The user sets up and changes the summary's structure by dragging and dropping f...
so pivots are GREAT for reports
they SUCK for data manipulation in SQL
for instance, I want 100 records of the 200 from one row, all of the next two rows, and then 30 from the last row, and I want to sum all the values. That's a lot of individual field manipulations, versus one sum on 350 rows in a select.
so we're unpivoting the source, storing it for later reporting, and then repivoting in some cases before we hand it back to the user.
 
I wonder, if you piped it into any array, and use say F# to do the manipulation and then present it to the user if that is faster?
maybe use PLINQ?
do it aysnc, so eg stream calulation?
 
@Darknight ... um, how do I say this? We're not doing that for every display.
 
or does each row require the next etc?
 
this is a nightly import, but I'm doing the initial import for a customer deployment
 
8:55 PM
oh i see
 
so they're timestamped, and we can do our manipulations based on the timestamp, since it's sequential
 
offline calc
 
i wish i had the guts to hire some people to work for me
 
but there are things that we do present to the customer, so when we do, yes, we tend to do those on the fly
@DanGrossman care to expound? I do it often enough ;)
 
Can someone answer a stupid question for me?
<%= Html.EditorFor(m => m.Details[k], new { PropRoot = k, LastCategory = sec } ); %>
Why does this tell me a ) is expected.
 
8:57 PM
; probably
 
are you missing a closing ")" ?
 
is that a direct paste?
 
obviously not, but ; shouldn't be there
 
True.
 
is it interrupting the build or throwing an error or just in the IDE?
I've found the IDE to be slow pretty often
 
8:59 PM
Throwing a runtime error.
 
this should break web server
runtime, ya
 
The IDE hasn't picked up on it yet haha.
 

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