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10:01 AM
well are you moving towards your goal in your mistakes?
well if you are billing by the hour then you are doing well
well He is your guide
God does as God does
there's no denying that
i may have a different name for him, but i think it is the same God
we don't stroke a key that He doesn't guide us, amen
so you are closer to you solution?
ok, or She
have you learned low-level programming?
i think that that is always a true reference
well, i think all that you have done has shown you how computers work
if you can watch things step by step
 
Computers make my head want to bleed :)
 
they are the one true thing you'll come across
so just put your faith that if you program them correctly, then they will act correctly
barring bugs wandering into the sytem case
 
Thankyou Ada Byron for coining that term!
 
Oh that's so sad.. i was just watching Forrest Gump and Lt. Dan just threw himself into the Gulf of Mexico
and he drowned, from the looks of it
well everyone leaves somehow
he was somewhat of a cynical bastard
but that's life
well i had this box of chocolates and he never got to taste any
certainly not, it's not for me to judge that nice Lt. Dan Grossman fellow
 
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hello i'm back again
 
10:15 AM
welcome back
 
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hey @tina this might be relevant to you
 
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Q: Generating UML Class Diagram

GokulIs there any specific tool to generate UML class diagram for the whole java project. i tried with ObjectAid UML plugin and generated UML class diagram.I need to generate class diagram for all the class by selecting the project src folder. is there anyway to generate it ?? suggest me best option...

 
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i know it's tagged java but the tools suggested might help with C++
 
So i just made a new website, and after careful consideration I decided to go ahead and do the whole site in the simplest HTML possible
 
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what no <blink/>?
 
10:18 AM
I think that is the way to go, rather than any kind of CMS
 
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woo
 
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have you ever looked at the actual raw code for a sharepoint or mambo page?
i mean, damned, how green is a Sharepoint index page?
nn tina
 
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is it like generating HTML in Word?
 
no, even worse!
 
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10:20 AM
whatever happend to frontpage?
 
it died of drowning in open source CMS's
so i was just looking at me 'other' homepage....
sharepoint style
it's disgustingly big for the actual amount of content
if i had to come up with a ratio of content vs. code.... hey, wait
why isn't there a rating of content vs. code?
firsties: codeanimals.com
first to declare the ratio of bytes on a page vs. content on a page
 
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well that sounds like a new web standard to me: the Quinn1000 scale
 
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every website will have a little image in the corner that says optimised for Quinn1000
 
yes it's a Green thing.. refer to my spoof article regarding how Google delivering a homepage equates to the Gulf Oil Spill
of course, that optimized for Quinn1000 will cost such a huge amount of energy...
 
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@tina can who?
 
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10:25 AM
you or me?
 
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me need coffee
 
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brb
 
the part about Google's dataspill
but they pulled their background image.. because of course they look to Quinn to see how the wind blows :-)
because i am the Duke of Duh-huh
 
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@Quinn1000 i would use the word entropy instead of energy. if makes it sound more vaguely unquantifiable
 
taken and considered
you know that was a jokey article, though, right?
 
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10:30 AM
i didn't read it
 
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i was getting coffee
 
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priorities man
 
Coffee>everything right now.
 
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can i haz this book plz
 
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10:32 AM
oh, good. you git.. you made me re-read my own drunken post and there was a reference to energy... but after re- an rere= reading i did decide that energy was approriate
 
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thx
 
I clicked and I am not looking inside, the ad LIES!
 
Ora you can have and it's worth paying for it
 
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@Quinn1000 lol
 
the fellow who went to all the trouble to design the sweet cover design
 
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10:33 AM
i was actually refering to your chat line not the article
 
you should buy it and put it into your bookshelf so that when you are iterviewed, then that nice bookspine will complement the rest of your references
 
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@Quinn1000 isn't the same cover design they put on all their books?
 
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not including the text obviously
 
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that would be confusing
 
it is.. and when you put them soldiers then you look even smarter
 
10:35 AM
hi guys, does anyone know how to correctly iterate through bitmap data? 've been working all night so now i cant even figure out how the heck i should go through raw bytes array :(
 
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@KyleSevenoaks mmm probably should not have chosen an image that suggested interactivity
 
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i can only apologise
 
/me head down on desk
 
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@Anton in what? C?
 
@oraclecertifiedprofessional yes, even c++
 
10:37 AM
i coded a nice assembly language program today that would allow you to traverse a file byte by byte
 
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@Anton you'd get a better response here
 
is it a windows bitmap perchance?
 
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Lounge<C++>

Today we're daydreaming about C++26 reflection
 
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probably
 
well, byte 1 of a windows bitmap contains...
and byte 2 is...
 
10:38 AM
@oraclecertifiedprofessional Apology accepted.
 
j/k
 
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is it a device-independent bitmap?
 
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or compressed?
 
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or what?
 
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actually i don't know why i'm asking
 
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10:40 AM
i haven't got a clue
 
Ah, nevermind, i'd better find an already working class somewhere, because i don't know a thing about bitmaps.
 
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aren't bitmaps just an array of rgb values? that's my ignorant view
 
sry i'm just bitter and disapointed that i have sacrficed everything to go back to school as CS major only to find that i am spending approx. 24 hours a week on coding and one hundred hours a week on Calculus.
 
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calculus is greek for 'pebble'
 
bitmap format, win32: functionx.com/win32/Lesson13.htm
ha.. the irony.. i just submitted an 'activity' involving how you could calculate down to an error of one bag of gravel the amount it would take to fill an irregularly shaped area of a back yard
 
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10:44 AM
actually on google translate βότσαλο is greek for pebble.
 
because that is SO vital to my programming
 
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but it's pronounced 'calculus'
 
@oraclecertifiedprofessional yes, they are, packed in some perverted way, but yes. but i need to iterate bytes as pixels, im using this bitmap as a heightmap. and thats where im stuck with all that bitmap padding/stride/packing hell.
 
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@Anton a perverted way?
 
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this is a strange day for programming chat indeed
 
10:47 AM
yeah, in case you are wondering it turns out that 100 pounds of gravel == 1 cubic foot of gravel
oddly enough
so in case you were wondering why the USA doesn't convert to the metric system, now you know
but getting back to bmp... wiki breaks down the format well
The BMP file format, sometimes called bitmap or DIB file format (for device-independent bitmap), is an image file format used to store bitmap digital images, especially on Microsoft Windows and OS/2 operating systems. Many older graphical user interfaces used bitmaps in their built-in graphics subsystems; for example, the Microsoft Windows and OS/2 platforms' GDI subsystem, where the specific format used is the Windows and OS/2 bitmap file format, usually named with the file extension of .BMP or .DIB. Pixel storage In uncompressed BMP files, and many other bitmap file formats, image p...
sry that autodumped on me after the link
 
Wow, overuse of punctuation, we'll run out of Question marks if you carry on like that :D
 
tina you are as smart as anyone here. you can solve your program better than we can because you know it, Just be confident in your ability.
 
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what is the paradigm?
 
Tina if there was ever a 2010 Turing test then you are it... God loves you
 
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11:02 AM
@tina one more day? and then what?
 
oh good
by conditions do you mean the various cases you referred to in your initial post?
because i was thinking that with the nested scope resolution you had, it would be difficult to do what you wanted to in a private function
ah,. well that's completely different than what you posted before
you were asking about a case/switch problem... did you figure that one out?
oh well congrats
are you in school too?
oh
 
I was trying to help someone with jQuery, why tf doesn't this work?
 
sry tina
i notice that you mispell things often.. do you do that to emphasize what you are saying?
 
11:18 AM
@Quinn1000 I think she's not from a native English speaking country.
 
i get that, Kyle... bear with me
 
Best conversation snippet ever: "If I were there with you, I'd jump your bones." "If you were here with me, I'd get you tested for herpes!"
 
lol
hey, cheers to the engineers who re-engineered the haj stone-throwing thing for this year :-)
good engineering is universal
 
There's a Bulgarian saying that stemmed from some anti Communism thing: "Cheers for years, but not for the engineers!"
 
what's that mean?
 
11:28 AM
Well the engineers were doing something anti Bulgarian, making them work more or fored labour or something,I forget the story but that saying is common there.
 
lol ok
i think here we have been very pro-engineer here lately
 
Anyone have any idea on jQuery?
You're in Bulgaria?
 
sry completely beyond me m8
 
No worries.
 
no, but here in US we have those clever counter-rotating RC heli's for $20... so you have to love engineers for that
anyway, nn guys. Tina hope you find a solution to your problem today. Kyle, hope you find a sollie to your jQuery query.
 
11:34 AM
Thanks, g'night!
 
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12:10 PM

JavaScript

Topic: Anything JavaScript, ECMAScript including Node, React, ...
 
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these guys are always talking jQuery
 
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more so than even loose women and copious amounts of alcohol
 
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which I find disgusting
 
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imo
 
1:37 PM
Good morning!
 
Morning @Sagar
 
How are you today?
 
Whenever I am not sure how to solve some programming issue on my own and decide to ask on SO I'm trying quite hard to rephrase in a general way, so that more people can find it useful - it's a little bit like finding abstractions in the code ;) Thing is, sometimes (oftentimes?) the abstraction is not very accurate and I end up not getting the answer I actually needed... Should I just stop being such a communist and cut to the chase - and go on with dirty, detailed and very specific questions?
 
@lukem00 Yea, probably
@Sagar Well, one more day and then the weekend, so I"m getting better
 
@lukem00 yeah. You'll find people like the dirty details anyway ;)
@CodingGorilla haha, same here. Can't wait for it..
 
1:47 PM
Those questions never seem to be very interesting - they're not like all those catchy community wiki questions - will people still want to answer them? It happened once or twice that my question was on some unpopular topic so it didn't get any attention
 
I answer for the rep, I could care what you're asking ;)
 
lol
@lukem00 depending on the question and the tags, you may get fewer, but will probably get better answers...
if the topic is very unpopular, try relating it to soemthing more popular (if at all possible). otherwise come in here and advertise it :)
 
2:05 PM
If I want some tagA to be redirected to tagB (tagA -> tagB), I should go to tagA synonyms and suggest tagB, or go to tagB and suggest tagA?
 
go to tagA synonyms and suggest tagB
since you are directing from A -> B, A is your source.
@Nakilon What is this for?
 
@Sagar how can you answer, if you don't know, what is this for?
 
I think he means what tag are you looking at
 
@Nakilon The answer is based on the information you provided.
I'm just trying to figure out if there is more to the question than you are stating...
 
@CodingGorilla gem rubygems
 
2:17 PM
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Q: Firefox 3.6.12 vs CSS box-model

mingosEver since I updated FF to 3.6.12 (or at least that's when I noticed the issue), I am dealing with an unusual situation. While Chrome and Opera use the content-box box model, Firefox seems to have started using border-box. Right now I'm styling some table headers with a height of 39px and a 1px b...

There IS a difference!
 
@KyleSevenoaks says you :P
 
lol
Why has FF turned away from W3C? I thought they were the 'pinacle' of trying to follow standards?
 
Isn't that their entire opposition to IE?
 
Try that, in FF and Chrome, there is a 1px difference!
 
2:21 PM
Like anyone else, they've become a corporation competing in the marketplace, so that's their primary goal
 
@Kyle how do you see the 1px difference?
:S
I'm trying to compare between FF and IE, and I can't see any difference in the result..
I guess there wouldn't be
 
@Sagar ok then, that's one of the questions I'm really hoping to find some answers on: stackoverflow.com/questions/4178128/…. But instead of going into the whole extract or not and what happens to cohesion discussion I wish somebody could simply refactor the guts out of this code! ;)
 
@KyleSevenoaks May be it's just a simple bug :-/
 
@Kyle: even IE shows it correct, and FF does not!
 
2:27 PM
See, there is a difference! I've never ever noticed before @mingos asked the question, but this is intriguing!
 
@oraclecertifiedprofessional Who doesn't!
 
me, actually
cannot stand filter coffee, or just generally hot coffee :S
 
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you like it cold?
 
yep
cold coffee any day of the week, any time of the day
 
2:31 PM
 
hahaha
 
@Sagar Sorry, but second part of your phrase reminded me this poster...
 
lol, no sorries..its actually my philosophy :)
 
@OlegKuznetsov That looks like something out of Fall Out
(the game)
 
@CodingGorilla I dunno about it's origin :(
 
2:34 PM
@lukem00 I'm guessing the socketAction.registerSession() and socketAction._sess.runApplication() are the repeated lines in your example?
oh and socketAction.checkAllowedDeviceCount(...)
 
@Sagar yes
 
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sigh
 
@Sagar What happens is basically when a client logs in onLoginCorrect in SocketAction is invoked, which in turn runs appropriate strategy, based on app settings. There are only 3 strategies shown, but there are actually more of them in the code
 
@lukem00 Ok, so I suck at Java, and the code I added/changed might not even make sense, but you'll understand what I'm trying... pastebin.com/ahjFcRnT
The issue is, if it is going to be consistently used in that manner, abstraction is better. However, if you're going to have to make variations on the abstraction itself, and each variation is only used a couple of times, then it does not.
 
2:56 PM
@Sagar Well, you kind of did what I mentioned in my follow-up question: stackoverflow.com/questions/4209459/…. And seems you kind of violated single responsibility principle
 
hmm...
 
Ugh, people need to learn the difference between loose and lose.
 
@KyleSevenoaks yeah, good luck with that...it's like trying to get people to learn the difference between their and there, or your and you're
 
@Sagar I like what Steve Jessop said about it: "a viable abstraction should be there somewhere" :) My mission is to find it ;)
@Sagar yeah, and its and it's and... the list is quite long
 
@Sagar Yeah! Or how to use an apostrophe! It's like this! :D
Well I'm very hungry, so I'm going home. G'bye all!
 
3:04 PM
@KyleSevenoaks yes!
have a good one!
 
@KyleSevenoaks How else would it be?
You mean like ` ?
 
I think he means the difference between its and it's :)
@lukem00 yeah, I saw the violation...tough question, and on my part bad answer..
oh well..
 
and it begins
 
@drachenstern here's something for you: stackoverflow.com/questions/4178128/…
lol...it has begun
 
;)
 
3:13 PM
haha
 
I sometimes wish there was some scale for voting, co that I have more options than vote up and down
but then I would probably comment most answers to my questions with: thank you for your time, but I'm afraid it's not good enough
 
lol wow
 
and people would like me even less! ha
;)
 
hunger strikes...brb
 
@Sagar I agree with Steve on this one
 
3:19 PM
@drachenstern Which comment of his do you agree with?
 
@lukem00 I think the whole conversation is how I would have had it, altho he is perhaps more eloquent than I would've been. The thing is just how often are you repeating. There's a lower limit to the usefulness of DRY.
It's a noble goal to write the least amount of code for the greatest amount of purpose, but the point is you're always going to have places where you repeat yourself. It's inevitable.
So minimize the RY and attempt to DRY
 
Quick question - is it possible to edit one of my questions to add bounty to it? I can't see an option to do so on the edit screen
 
you don't do it in edit, you do it on the question
there's a gray box around the text "start a bounty"
damn those pigs, why did they steal those eggs? I will get all of you pigs, and I'll get you all with three stars!
 
Ah, cheers
didn't know about the 48 hour rule, thanks for the link
 
lol which pigs @drachenstern
 
3:25 PM
@drachenstern I'm with Ayende on this one: [SRP always beats DRY]( ayende.com/Blog/archive/2010/09/09/…)
 
@Sagar I've gotten angry birds on my iPhone
 
Also, I have spent many meetings trying to get three stars on every level, it's a doomed venture :)
 
@drachenstern aah ok
 
@lukem00 yes, I agree SRP, but the comment was made to make it a static inner if it only affected the one class
which falls into SRP
Like I said, there's a lower limit on DRY, and you should attempt to DRY, but DRY is not a law
I always agree that SRP is more acceptable than DRY. I repeat code blocks all the time in SRP
 
@lukem00 btw, in the code that I pasted, the static class was supposed to be a method not a class :S lol bad coder, bad!
 
3:27 PM
@CMcAtackney you might be surprised at the number of 3's I've gotten then :p
 
@Sagar that's ok, I saw what you meant ;)
 
Just a general question, how much experience (non-school, actual work) do y'all have?
I just ask because, in front of all my colleagues, I have the least in terms of programming in the real world, and at times I feel really stupid looking at some of the code written.
Actually
the question is, how long does it take to get proficient in whatever language it is you use?
 
@Sagar expect to invest 10000 hours before you become really good at something
read that link briefly @Sagar ... you'll get the idea
it's a rule of thumb, not an absolute, and it's about drive and determination
I would say you need to write code for at least 3 years before you begin to see some of the bigger pictures
 
mkey, et go home ;) thank you all for your insight, take care!
 
see ya luke
 
3:36 PM
@lukem00 take care!
@drachenstern I've heard of that book and the 10000 hours idea. I was planning on reading it.
I've been writing code for about 7 years now, but the problem is, in school we kept switching between languages
So, I know the concepts, but the syntax and stuff like STL in C++, are all lost on me until I have to use them
and look them up
let me change that - I've been writing code (intermitently) for 7 years
 
@Sagar I think that's probably true about everyone, once you understand the principals of programming (properly) moving between languages and frameworks is just a matter of having the proper reference material (imo)
I've been doing it for about 30 :)
 
@CodingGorilla I guess. The next least experienced person at our company, has been programming out of school for about 10 years, so...
Keeping working at it, and look up questions and answers on SO
 
@Sagar - I feel the same way as you sometimes, but something I've noticed that is making a gradual difference is to just spend an hour or so a day reading up on various software / programming issues
it's not going to make any immediate difference, but over a few months you will notice that you are more "tuned in" to the important topics and skills
 
Yeah I've been doing that...
 
things like reading SO questions outside your area of experience, programming blogs etc.
 
3:52 PM
That's how I first started on SO..just looking up stuff .. so much to learn, so little time
 
hi
I have a small question i submitted to SO that hasn't been answered. Its about javascript
 
@David Hola!! Como estas?
 
Could anyone here have a look?
 
@David depends on at what :P
 
@CodingGorilla bien
can i share the link?
 
3:54 PM
as long as it's not porn, I'd have to flag you if you do :P
 
0
Q: Inserting a new row in spreadsheet

DavidI have this script: function onEdit(e) { var sheet = e.source.getActiveSheet(); var range = e.source.getActiveRange(); // 3 is column C if (range.getColumn() == 3) { if (range.getValue() != "") { sheet.insertRowAfter(range.getRow()); } } }​ When the script inserts a row, I woul...

@CodingGorilla what do you think?
 

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