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2:00 PM
Oh, shiny.
Now we can waste work time in a new way! (This makes Four, counting Fark and Woot)
 
Now now, we're all working hard in collaboration with our professional communities on today's task.
 
2:18 PM
not really sure what the chat is for yet?
 
@Iain It's for chatting about things
 
brilliant, which things
don't say programming
 
Will this chat software be open sourced?
 
why does everything have to be open sourced?
 
so we can talk about it
 
2:20 PM
@Iain It doesn't have to be. Doesn't stop me from asking the question though...
 
whenever I do a user group or release a demo people always go "are you going to open source it?" And I'm like "No! I'm not! please stop asking!"
 
When people ask if x will be open sourced, my first thought is: "Would you do the work so I can reap the reward?"
 
@Iain What's wrong with asking?
 
I'm not saying it's any of you guys, but there is a sense of entitlement with some developers that everything they lay eyes on should be open sourced
@george - exactly
there's nothing wrong with asking of course
 
It doesn't seem like open sourcing the chat would at all diminish its value to stack exchange. It's the community their offering, not the spiffy chat software. Not that I'm saying anyone is entitled to it. Just that it probably wouldn't hurt the guys (and/or girls) that wrote it.
*they're
 
2:24 PM
@Iain So asking the question automatically puts us in your stereotype? Well thanks. I was only asking the question because it's an interesting piece of software which could be open sourced since it doesn't appear to be an essential part to Stack Exchange.
 
@gatekiller - sorry I did say "I'm not saying it's any of you guys"
 
If only phpBB wasn't open source...
 
:383 Self reply?
I guess not...
:1 Random replies.
 
nice chat! good morning
 
Can someone give me my reply number please?
 
2:27 PM
if you're trying to build a software business I don't see how it would be a good idea open source something without a specific goal in mind, e.g. supporting or providing training for that open source products
 
was kind of worried I'd be productive today... this fixes that :D
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@routeNpingme agreed
 
@route
 
@gatekiller Test
 
a/s/l
 
2:29 PM
Would someone reply to this with the reply number please?
 
awaiting the inevitable location = yourmom joke.
 
@gatekiller it's :3518
 
@GateKiller Bla
@routeNpingme Thanks
 
I should probably read the FAQ. I'm not sure what that is
 
@GateKiller Test
 
2:30 PM
@badgerr, link in the lower right.
 
So the reply number isn't related to your Stack Exchange ID
 
re: open source, does anybody actually end up using OSS in real projects (other than, say, small little OSS utilities)?
 
@GateKiller, no, an explicit reply uses the id of the chat message.
 
I use Json.NET in almost every project I do at work.
 
@routeNpingme Yes - I do
 
2:31 PM
@routeNpingme Let's see. Facebook uses PHP: That's open source.
:3545 Same number
 
Json.NET... so - open source developer library... good point, I use OSS dev libs all the time..
 
:3547 Test
 
@routeNpingme For example, we deal with a lot of Geospatial data, and we process that into formats understandable by our software using GDAL
 
I use Eclipse when forced to program in Java
Firefox of course
 
I use big open source products like audacity and small code utils in my projects, but I never take a big open source thing like this chat app and do anything with it
 
2:32 PM
We use Qt for many of our window based tools
 
anybody use OSS "platforms"? like ERP - SugarCRM and all that?
 
woo just got priveledges to view this - pretty neat
 
if you open source something you should really document it, and that takes time
 
@Iain Someone should tell Moodle Developers that...
 
2:34 PM
does stackexchange have chat yet
 
@GateKiller, on the message you want to explicitly reply to, hover between the gravatar and the message and click the arrow that appears. then click reply to this message
 
don't think I've ever actually contributed to an OSS project though
 
ooh there's joel!
hi!
 
@rchern I know thanks. I was testing to see if you could reply to yourself and how the reply system worked. Might expose some bugs.
 
2:35 PM
stackexchange chat is (oddly) at chat.meta.stackoverflow.com
 
@GateKiller, maybe i suggest you do testing in the Sandbox room?
 
how do I get to gamedev stackexchange chat?
 

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
eventually the domain names will be straightened out and we'll put links in all the right places
 
ah ok
 
i see
 
@rchern I'll as I please, and I please as I go
 
please vote up my Hacker News submission:
 
Who steals from their own mother? : charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1763671/…
 
2:37 PM
joel - bring back the podcast please I miss it!
 
The only issue I have with asking a question on Stack Overflow is that there are a class of employers that see a person that has a lot of questions as a Bad Thing™
 
@GateKiller, the sandbox rooms exists for a reason (:
 
there is lightweight markdown support (like comments in Stack Overflow)
 
really impressed with this interface... nice job, SE team
 
2:39 PM
just visited from hn. looks nice.
 
oh I can't link my account to meta
 
it's like a nice steak... all the right seasonings in just the right places
 
so I can't chat on gamedev
 
@GeorgeStocker That is true, but there is also a class of employers who could see it as something the person has learned, and could then use that knowledge in the position they are applying for. Nothing wrong with someone unafraid to ask questions
 
Oh .. Hi..
 
2:40 PM
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A: Cannot associate meta.stackoverflow with other sites and inbox missing on meta

Kevin MontroseThis is (temporarily!) by-design. We've basically split the data center in two, with Meta serving as our canary for the eventual migration of all remaining sites. Accordingly, alot of the "cross site" features have been turned off (like Inbox) or don't really work (like associations).

 
@AidenBell Could I get Admin plz????
 
@JoelSpolsky is the podcast coming back?
 
@GeorgeStocker you would want to work for an employer that views asking lots of q's as bad?
 
@route point taken.
 
...and things go downhill from here....
(:
 
2:42 PM
@rchern Don't worry. I'll try to keep my antic reserved to the Meta Tavern
 
I think that's where rep comes in though... lots of Q's that are downvoted and closed could say something... Q's that are up'd show that you were just the first one to the issue
 
@Iain I kinda ran out of things to say on the podcast and grew tired of listening to myself :-) And I got really busy when I took over as CEO here and we went from 3 employees to 25.
 
Every day on blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing I either 1) learn something, or 2) learn something but have not fraking idea what it means because I'm not a Win32 developer.
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@JoelSpolsky hello sir
 
the podcast was ace though. can't you and jeff find 2 impersonators to do it?
 
Cev
2:45 PM
quick git question: how can I "git add" all modified *.c files in any directory?
 
@Iain or they could soundboard the existing ones and have some script read stuff with snippets of their voices?
 
Does anyone know where I can legitimately ask sharepoint questions? I don't feel like they really fit into stackoverflow because they're not really programming questions
 
zomg we have a chat
 
@JoePhilllips - SuperUser?
 
@Joe phillips Developing Sharepoint? Or using Sharepoint? If it's the latter, I think it's a WebApps question
 
2:47 PM
@JoePhilllips what kind of q?
 
If it's the former, sadly I think it's a Stack Overflow question.
 
@AidenBell I don't know... it doesn't seem like it really fits in there either
 
@joe well there is sharepointoverflow.com
 
@GeorgeStocker Anything you can do with sharepoint designer I guess
 
@GeorgeStocker I don't think it's a webapps question, given that it's self-hosted.
 
2:49 PM
@JeffDalley Holy shat there is! I had no idea
 
@joe I have no idea if this is an official stack exchange site (from when SE was first launched) or if they just ripped off the platform, but its there.
@joel Have you guys seen this? www.sharepointoverflow.com
 
@JeffDalley, seems like it was official SE1.0
> <meta name="generator" content="StackExchange 0.9 (20100413135304-37b86aed49ad)">
 
Ahh good good
 
if SE creates a masochistic programming site, your sharepoint question could go there
 
@routeNpi Agreed, my company currently wants me to replace core Sharepoint functionality like member profiles (with custom data models), and then link that to Search and Address book etc
 
2:51 PM
Sharepointoverflow is a "stackexchange 1.0" site. There is an Area 51 proposal to bring it into StackExchange 2.0:
 
@JeffDalley ahh w/ custom membership providers and stuff?
 
Well, we already are using Forms Based Auth, so we have aspnetdb in there
But they want to make Sharepoint the central repository for Employee info, some 9000 of them
But they want to query it from other apps and locations in the future.. and you do not want to query the Sharepoint DB :P
Its messy, and involves ripping out functionality and replacing it in-place.
 
@JeffDalley yikes... been working with a team doing a similar enterprisey thing for 90K employees.. rule #1, you do not touch the sharepoint DB
 
Guess I'm not the only slacker on this Friday morning.
 
rule #2... see rule #1
 
2:56 PM
@JohnFx Friday afternoon here, but no, clearly not. :)
 
@routeNpi Yup, so if you can imagine - they want to be able to Search for people, Add them to Forms the same way Picker.aspx currently works - all from an external DB
 
You can be in more than one chat room at a time? That's an interesting feature.
 
@TimStone /me resisting urge to bring up 'that question'
 
having never used Campfire, is this chat similar?
except the whole 'team productivity' thing
 
When do I get a paycheck from SO for spending my time in here?
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2:59 PM
What's up Joel!!
:)
 
@Joel Spolsky - I signed up for your dog&pony down here in Austin. I desperately hope it helps me grok that whole DVCS thing. I tried to do the whole Kiln thing on my own, but it just isn't clicking yet.
 
Hello Taveners
 
@Keyframe - They pay in Unicorn tears and expired coupons for Lotus-1-2-3. Not worth it really.
 
dang! Just tried to star @Keyframe's comment... "An error occured performing this action" :(
 
@johnfx I'm going to the DC one.
 
3:01 PM
When I used the "*" icon to the right of the post, it worked. Using the dropdown causes errors :(
 
main chat rooms page is down
oh no, back again
 
that was my "*"... ooops ;)
 
@AidenBell It seems more intermittent than "down"..
 
@MikeCaron :
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/2/chat-feedback
 
I've gotten a couple of chat errors and the main chat page had a 503 service unavailable error the first time I tried it
 
3:03 PM
Opening day jitters, I suppose.
 
... I want a refund
 
@routeNpingme: Me too. Still, we're here, so everythings right with the world.
 
@AidenBell I was only joking
I like Autocomplete for names! and I like the personal message number overlay! Great UI!
 
@JoelSpolsky how old is that photo?!
 
to be fair, haven't done any work in the last 1/2 hour, so this appears to be extremely effective
I'd say rivals google's pac-man logo day
 
3:05 PM
chat looks pretty slick (not design-wise though), multi-room could use some work though - maybe?
 
@routeNpingme - me neither. I am tantalizingly close to 10K rep and dang it I am going to get there sooner rather than later.
 
bah disregard my last comment - now I see "other rooms you're in" updated with a recent message from other room... excellent
 
it seems there is some unused whitespace in the lower right hand corner... it would be a perfect place to embed Angry Birds
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or ads
 
I have like 3 levels left to get 3 stars on the angry birds beta on android
 
3:06 PM
@routeNpingme Its just been launched on Android, so mroe opportunities to waste time :-)
 
@JoelSpolsky dude... gimme a shout out! ;)
I know... I know... pathetic right?
 
@MikeCaron, oy.
 
@MikeCaron, oy...
 
starred @rchern
 
Seriously, love the UI on this thing. I like the "*" column so you can scan what peeps think is cool.
Not enough coffee yet... just goofin' off.
 
3:08 PM
@AidenBell ):
 
@rchern you alright ?
 
I've had two cups of work coffee. That equates to about 3 drops worth of real coffee.
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@MikeCaron I guess the shiny has worn off after 42k messages...
 
Hi, are there any videos of Business of Software 2010 available yet?
 
@DanielStraight we've got esspresso here... num
 
3:10 PM
@DanielStraight As well as not liking instant coffee thats the reason why I have my own cafetierre :-)
 
I've considered bringing my french press to work
 
@AidenBell, yes, I just think y'all star silly things! (;
 
The only people who get real coffee here are customers and the dev team lead because he brings his own.
 
@JohnFx I hope it will help... sometimes seeing something explained in person helps a lot
 
3:12 PM
@JohnFx use the jQuery Rollercoaster plugin, it has "loop" functionality in it
 
@Mitja usually they tend to trickle out over the course of the year, mainly as promotional vehicles for the next year's conference
 
Had enough, home time ... have a good weekend all :-)
 
@JoelSpolsky - I've got the check-in/out mechanics down. I just don't get how labelling/versioning is supposed to work exactly.
That is, I know how to make it work. Just don't understand the way I need to change my work process to fit in with it.
 
this being a tavern, how long does chat history stick around for / is this linked to your profile / will your moments of poor judgment here come back to haunt you later ?
 
History is never deleted I think
 
3:15 PM
I find it a little funny that Fogbugz didn't sponsor the "bug-tracking" tag on SO.
 
On the other hand it could be that my brain is just fried this week. Trying to get up to speed and that and Android Development (as a .NET programmer, with minimal Java background)
 
The internet never forgets
 
@altCognito The worlds biggest toilet door
 
@JohnFx You mean tagging etc. in (D)VCS?
 
@LasseVKarlsen yeah. I feel like I'm just on the edge of getting it, the light just hasn't come on yet
 
3:17 PM
Afternoon again
 
Wonder if there is a room for Mercurial or (D)VCS yet
 
I'm guessing this has been suggested: Can we get a link to tweet what someone says?
 
hello all
 
This is interesting. Is this entire thing built with polling?
 
what are we supposed to do with the flag notifications?
 
3:18 PM
@JoelSpolsky I vote for StackHub revision control and hosting :P
 
Hello
 
Does anyone know how to FTP to a server using port 80?'
 
yeah, so we integrate this view with question views, update it real time, and call it StackOverFlowWaveBuzzBook
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@alex hi
 
tb
@hooked
@hookedonwinter -- the autocomplete is neat
 
3:19 PM
@tb that was a bit ironic
 
Oh good Lord. The chat has a feature to "Go Private" with someone. I suspect that won't be used the same way as it was in IRC.
 
@JohnFx I should hope not...
 
So random question... what language are you coding in right now?
 
It'll be sexoverflow.com next
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3:20 PM
There is no 'Go Private' option..
 
english
 
Ignore is the feature that is needed
 
We have that
 
tb
@routeNpingme Haha! yes, it didn't work the first time
 
Click on an avatar and press ignore
 
3:20 PM
@DanielStraight - PHP but wishes it was Python before I do something drastic
 
and when I switch to other windows... C#
 
@altCognito, read the faq in the lower right. your questions would be answered.
 
tb
@DanielStraight javascript
 
Jquery snicker
 
C# and VB here. Converting the backend of a VB app to C#.
 
3:21 PM
I do C++ mainly, but also some Obj-C for iOS
 
@DanielStraight currently C# (well arguing with a resharper bug)
 
doing some RFID stuff at the moment
 
@Chacha102 Do you mean "connect to FTP server which runs on port 80" or "tunnel FTP traffic through a HTTP proxy"?
 
@DanielStraight Normally an ASP.NET programmer. This week I'm doing Java for some Android development.
 
@Piskvor I meant the latter, but I bet most proxies are blocked..
 
3:23 PM
@rchern ah, so that takes care of ignore -- now onto integrating twitter and the questions :)
 
can you explain what you mean?
what sort of integration?
 
hmm, it's almost beer o'clock here at the office... it's a hard life :)
 
they're both one-boxed, but i'm not sure if that's what you mean?
 
Go try my Triton Note Taking App
Oh .. click on the logo
 
Still Coffee O'clock here
 
3:25 PM
to open the sidebar..
@Piskvor I figured out I could just upload stuff to Public Dropbox since its all javascript
 
Ok something broke again. This is like IRC except without the noobs and netsplits ever 2 seconds
 
trying to install ubuntu myself
 
anybody used any iOS development firms?
 
first time with getting serious outside of windows/os x
 
@routeNpingme, um no?
i was talking to @altCognito. who had just said something right above me
 
3:27 PM
@Chacha102 It depends on the proxy; not all support tunnelling FTP through them. (I'd go for SFTP, but that probably isn't an option)
 
Okay, time to actually get some work done.
 
@rchern my bad... interesting, just tried to delete that and got cannot perform this action in notifications bar
 
Hello World (I think everyone salute this way as first message)
 
hello
 
3:32 PM
This article on how to find 'outside of the box' thinkers is just plain wrong: inc.com/magazine/20101001/…
 
Glad to see this new social try, hope It works
 
Is this a new design ? Halloween theme ?
 
Yes.
 
lold
 
I was scared this would be permanent >.<
 
3:34 PM
@HoLyVieR It is.
 
@GeorgeStocker which part?
 
@ThomasMcDonald I mean forever, I guess this orange theme will go off after 31 OCT
 
@HoLyVieR I highly doubt that
 
tap tap
check check 1 2 3
 
@routeN How they say to find one with the standard interview question.
 
3:45 PM
@GeorgeStocker yeah... how many gas pumps are there in san francisco? :)
 
gas pumps would be much harder than piano tuners
 
what is this?
I got in here by a link sent by IM of a Matias
 
@Darkxes its the SO general chat room
 
@Darkxes it's a chat room
 
this tabern lacks of beer
 
3:49 PM
niceee ... didn't know this even exists
 
@Darkxes its a fairly new feature they have been testing on MSO and it's now available on SO
 
so, what should we do in here? lol
 
It's a discussion room, you are free to talk about anything
 
Anyone play games from gog.com?
 
I have gog.com blocked by my company :(
 
3:51 PM
@Darkxes This chat is full of cool people
 
@Darkxes discuss important things in life. angry birds levels, coffee, you know.. what kind of dev do you do?
 
.net C# ... almost everything enterprise web apps
 
@Darkxes Well, I don't play at work. (Well, ok, there was that one time I tested Master of Orion 2 to see if it would really work.)
 
@Darkxes you in europe?
 
Wow it's popular in here!
 
3:53 PM
@Matias I can see that hehe
 
@Josh I know, they are beating MSO Tavern in term of popularity :(
 
haha .. I know my english is bad ... but I'm on Argentina
 
When does the bar open? It's Friday afterall
 
@HoLyVieR We'll see how long that lasts... :-)
 
It's also Oct. We should be celebrating Oktoberfest.
 
3:54 PM
@JoePhilllips Drinks only served at Meta
@DanielStraight Been to any good Oktoberfest celebrations? There's been a lot around here
 
I've been there
 
@Josh Oh... disappointing
 
but here in argentina (oktoberfest)
 
@Darkxes your english is location dependant? (from Argentina too)
 
@Josh Yes. New Orleans has a German cultural center / bar / whatever called the Deutsches Haus that does a great Oktoberfest every year.
 
3:55 PM
@DanielStraight Awesome!
 
@Hernan what do you mean?, I speak spanish ...
 
New Orleans is sadly lacking in German food for most of the year.
 
@HernánEche We can't have beer during work hours
 
@HernánEche where r u from?
 
@Chacha102 Gasp! I get to gloat! We have beer where I work.
 
3:57 PM
@Chacha102 depends if you're doing after hour at work >.>
 
@Chacha102 that's awesome!
 
@HernánEche from Argentina also.. we're a plague in the SO tavern today
 
@Matias You have started my dependency for SO! lol
@Chacha102 about what?
@People I'm gonna grab some food ... it's lunch time in here ... later!
 
We need @all
 
@Matias yes, @Darkxes from Argentina, Rosario
 
4:01 PM
No, we don't @Chacha102
 
Hmph, got to prep my tf2 server for a match tonight we're 99% likely to lose
 
@Chacha102 yeeaaahh
@HernánEche we are from BA
Argentina, Buenos Aires
 
@HernánEche nice chicks on there
 
LOL yeahhh .. and Cordoba also
I've been there the last weekend ... OktoberFest ... excelent girls
 
Max
hello
 
4:03 PM
@DanielStraight Have you ever tried the Jagerhaus? I've heard good things about it.
 
For all about to soft, we salute you!
 
@HernánEche I append myself to that Salute!
 
@CadeRoux My one experience with Jagerhaus is not so good. They were really, really slow. Could've just been a bad night though, and to be fair, there were like 8 of us in my group.
 
back2life(); cuAll(); //!!!!!!!!
 
we have a lot of people in here...
 
4:09 PM
Ok, lunch time. Take care, y'all.
 
Why must every class I take in high school require I spend a week doing something completely outside my comfort zone
 
SO chat... awesome! came over from Hacker News
 
and its not like they are just doing something that happens to be outside my comfort zone
 
@Chacha102 So you learn something different maybe?
 
@DanielStraight If you're located in downtown New Orleans/French Quarter, we should probably have lunch sometime.
 
4:11 PM
The teacher specifically comes out and says "Pick something outside of your comfort zone and do it for a week."
 
4:22 PM
And it got really silent
I guess there is a lot of productivity going on right now
 
Lots of rcon, server is not being happy
 
also, lunch time on the east coast
 
@Doug And returning home time for most in UK
 
Hello world!
@JoelSpolsky this is a very nice chat application. Congrats to you and your dev team
 
@Chacha102 C'mon, you know that's not true.
 
4:27 PM
@BenAston I agree, I'm finding it has a lot of nice ui/usability bits
 
@Doug yep, another good showcase of the flexibility of HTML and JS for creating cool UIs. Google Wave remains the most impressive example for me though
 
@BenAston Indeed. Google Wave is/was powerful and feature packed but the usability and polish weren't there, imho. However, I did expect it to get better over time and was looking forward to seeing that happen, so I'm sad to see that Google killed it
 
I think they're going to reuse the technology though
But not as a standalone application
 
@Doug agreed!
 
@LasseVKarlsen Yea, the backend tech seemed really sophisticated, so I hope they do find a use for it
 
4:39 PM
Looks nice so far, goodwork!
 
4:51 PM
Anyone got awesome weekend plans?
Mine will hopefully involve attending the Crescent City Blues and BBQ Festival
Also, anyone ever heard of, or done, NaNoWriMo?
 
Live Bluegrass Saturday!!
 
@DanielStraight We'll be doing CCBBQ - not sure if Saturday or Sunday, though.
 
@CadeRoux I'm excited to try Boswell's jerk meats
 
live bluegrass sounds sweet too
@LasseVKarlsen Crescent City (AKA New Orleans)
 
Jin
4:54 PM
@DanielStraight i'll be css-s-s-s-sing
 
Hell yea - it's so good you go into a trance! lmao
 
@DanielStraight It's all good. Hopefully it won't be as crowded as the Harvest at the Square Series has been.
 
@CadeRoux I was last in Lafayette Square for the seafood festival and it was crowded but cosy. Hoping for more of the same. Then, of course, the po boy festival is coming up on Oak. I'm going to gain holiday weight before the holidays even start.
 
hi, um
can I have a beer please?
 
@Jin CSSing anything in particular?
@Doug Any particularly good bluegrass bands I should check out?
 
Jin
4:59 PM
@daniel fixes for stackexchange sites.
 
@Jin Sounds like a fun time.
 

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