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To delete or not to delete, that is the question. stackoverflow.com/q/78752308/14768
00:44
@Joshua Leave it open, and let it accumulate votes, whichever way they go
................ or not
01:05
surprised no one voted to migrate to meta
(Not saying that the voters were wrong not to do so, but it would be reasonable to have migrated. It's probably a dupe.)
 
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07:38
Is LSTM Model doesn't train an on-topic programming question, or one of those theoretical, parameter-fiddling: "my model doesn't work/run/converge" off-topic ones that should go to Cross Validated?
08:17
Can a RO delete this request of mine? OP added their code. cc @RyanM
@Adriaan → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
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11:47
@MayukhBhattacharya This is not a debugging question, so it makes sense that no debugging details are present. It also seems fairly clear what they're asking; what's unclear about it?
There is nothing OP has tried on their end!
@MayukhBhattacharya Stack Overflow is not a debugging helpdesk for askers—we do not require that askers provide existing code to debug. Lack of problem-solving effort is not a reason to close or otherwise object to questions. The only type of effort we require is the effort required to ask a clear, focused, non-duplicate question. Including an attempt often adds noise and results in answers that are applicable to just the original asker, rather than anyone doing the same thing. Many of the most useful questions on the site do not include an existing attempt at solving the problem.
Of course, Stack Overflow is also not an application design and development service. Questions may still be closed as too broad (or unclear) if that is the problem. But please do not try to limit the questions asked here to problems with existing code. Instead, focus on the scope and clarity of questions. The goal should be to encourage questions that might help the next person with the same problem.
@RyanM Sir, alright understood now, clear. Thank you very much!
Sounds good :)
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (as discussed above)
12:50
@HovercraftFullOfEels that's vandalism, should be reverted instead of nuked, but give me a sec to suspend them first...
Sorry I meant to say, should vote to delete?
Hmmm. A bounty probably should block votes to delete, but... I bet it doesn't.
Anyway I rolled it back.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (question is rolled back, request no longer applies)
I'd leave it up rather than deleting; someone who wants the bounty may be able to improve it (disclaimer: I did not read it to see if that's possible or not, as it's waaay too long), or maybe they'll come back in a few days and do it themself.
Ok understood!
Thank You very much!
 
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@RyanM I don't see a way to justify making bounties orthogonal to a question's status (re: the recent change to allow close votes) that still blocks delete votes
either it's completely orthogonal or it's not
@TylerH My justification would be "we have a reopen review queue but no undelete review queue, so there's no good way to handle an overzealous deletion even if you've addressed the issues"
with non-bountied questions, you can at least re-ask the fixed version as a new question, but that's really not a good answer for bounties.
Also the bounty list itself gets attention and thus presumably might attract the attention of potential reopen voters.
I definitely agree the system implementation is lacking. Though I think it would be a huge mistake if devs were to ever implement an undelete review queue
then again, with the trajectory over the last ~4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually added that
 
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15:35
@MayukhBhattacharya The way I think about this, I see quality voting and close voting as two orthogonal processes. If an original poster shows no effort with their question, then this may be a reason to down-vote the question, but is not an indicated reason to vote to close. It used to be, but not any more.
There may be other accepted reasons present to close-vote the question, but that is separate from the quality voting (up or down).
Sure sir, I am trying to understand. reading all the scripts shared above by Ryan sir
16:02
@TylerH Do you think that tag should be burnated?
@TylerH @miken32 @NotTheDr01ds a question you closed is brought up on Meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/431008
16:17
@CPlus I do
"Web development server" is just a way to describe a "server". There are no servers (OS or hardware) that are specifically for web development, let alone for web traffic. There are just servers that people might use for development, and then in this case, development specific to websites/web applications.
It's like the awful tags or the even worse -- they should just be nuked from orbit
Sounds like a tag synonym candidate.
@TylerH I'd argue there are web development servers. Separate and with unique quirks from other web servers because mostly they are pre-configured for fast and minimum tweaking. Which can raise questions or issues if the developer wants something more custom. With that said, a whole tag for this is not useful. Running a .NET web project via VS or a Node project with Webpack is drastically different. You should just tag the concrete technology.
@rene I saw that question, and felt conflicted about whether to vote to reopen or not.
@CPlus the question has never been closed?
@CPlus unless you consider typing in a command line to be programming, not sure how it could possibly be considered on-topic here
16:22
@CPlus frontend is any frontend. web-frontend specifically the websites and applications. But either tag is also huge in scope and non-specific. It never adds anything useful to a post.
@TylerH The main Stack Overflow post, not the Meta post.
@VLAZ I accept there may be some technology out there I have never heard of. Though I have never heard of a server (again, are we talking OS or physical hardware?) that is designed for/must be used for web development.
@CPlus Ah, well you made the right choice I guess; it's not a programming question so should not be open.
@TylerH I find tags like like that to often be redundant. Because there are just the separate tags. Like and if that exists or something.
What's the timelimit on migration again?
is it 60 days, or 6 months? Or some other period
@rene and, thanks for the ping
@TylerH I think, 60 days, but don't quote me on that.
16:28
And now we have a Meta roll-back war! Where's the popcorn?
@CPlus Too late.
> According to CPlus, who staked their life on it, it is 60 days
:-P
Haha
Do those rollbacks raise an auto flag on Meta or should we mod-flag it?
@TylerH yeah, 60 days: meta.stackexchange.com/a/10250
@TylerH I think it would indicate something like Laravel's built-in web server which is used for quick testing of your code by running artisan serve. But I agree it is not a useful tag at all; I'd support a burnination request.
16:31
@AdrianMole Bounty it
@AdrianMole I think so, but a mod flag to add context never hurts.
@VLAZ Ah good, I don't have to give up my entire life savings.
dangit, there goes my retirement plan
@CPlus You're welcome! That'd be one entire life's savings for the service.
@Spevacus Just increased my Meta flag count by 50%! :-)
16:36
@AdrianMole :O!!!!!!
@AdrianMole never trust the rollback war autoflag (I haven't looked at this specific case, that's just general advice)
Okay this time it actually did do its job.
@RyanM Aww, so that means you have justification to decline Adrian's flag? I guess it wasn't helpful if the system already auto-warned mods about the war :-P
(just kidding, please don't make Adrian sad by declining the flag)
DECLINE THE FLAG ANYWAY
Scorched earth
Decline the flag, lock the post and suspend all three users involved.
16:41
Suspend? For how long???
Forever.
... I can then go get my life back. ;)
"This account is temporarily suspended permanently."
@AdrianMole Ever hear of sunk cost fallacy? ;)
 
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18:52
@Spevacus Your promotion to moderator has not gone unnoticed :P
@Machavity Well, maybe unnoticed by Spevacus :D
@Machavity I'd like my diamond freshly polished before it's mailed in if possible.
In seriousness, I sent an e-mail to Ben Popper to see if they could change the text blurb but he's on sabbatical. I then left a comment there to make the distinction, but I now realize the markdown link I posted doesn't even render :P
It's pretty funny that I make the distinction in the podcast itself as well.
19:58
OK, I seem to recall a bug report about not being able to edit a post because it's "mostly images"
trying to find it now but was there a workaround to that?
@RyanM's workaround doesn't seem to work anymore even for linked images :-/
getting fontawesome to work in an ASP.NET project seems to be rather annoying. Should have taken me 30 seconds but I'm now 15 minutes in and I've gotten the icon to show once during debugging but never again, even when running the code a second time with no changes after it worked that first time... sigh.
21:20
I'm a little torn. There is a fun but poorly communicated question asked. It has been closed and downvoted. It also looks like someone's homework. I've got an elegant pure regex solution, but I am hesitant to vote to reopen because the mcve is both large and incomplete and hard to understand without studying the question. Very unlikely to help future readers. How much patience/lenience would you grant the new asker? stackoverflow.com/q/78739989/2943403
@mickmackusa it looks like the OP is in communication with you. If you and them can get the Q to be in an answerable state then I would be happy to help reopen. If not, maybe you could come up with a toy problem that you can self answer with your solution. as is it looks like being closed is correct.
 
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22:35
Not sure if people have seen or not but major changes to the data dump have been put in place:
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Q: Announcing a change to the data-dump process

PhilippePlease note: We usually avoid posting on Fridays, but with the data dump scheduled for the end of July, we wanted to share this information with the community as soon as possible. We will monitor this post over the weekend and in the weeks leading up to the updated data dump access process. Toda...

 
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