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02:08
@mickmackusa No, that would not be acceptable.
03:10
@CPlus that should be a dupe. I added sql tag so couldn't hammer...
@Nick Fair enough, but it's not like I can retract my vote and recast as dupe.
@Makyen I'm curious why it would not be acceptable.
03:26
@mickmackusa While I understand your curiosity, the basic issue is something that's been addressed/discussed many times in here, every time someone has wanted to have their thing taken care of. We're not a voting ring. We're not here to "take care" of things for the people who participate here. SOCVR takes very seriously even having the appearance of impropriety. A large number of the rules that we have are all focused on making it such that we're not doing such things.
 
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04:41
@Makyen The point of SOCVR is to help clean up the system. My scenario is to clean up the system where I am the author of the unwanted content. By expressly authorising the destruction of my own post, there is no way for anyone to be upset. I don't yet see how this would be any different from deleting other content.
@mickmackusa I understand that you don't see it.
Shall I custom flag the answer for deletion then?
 
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07:50
^ strong opinions on CAPTCHA
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Quite strange thing: yesterday a new user asked a question without any details and a screenshot of an error. Now they updated it with code and error as text and submitted it to review, and an hour later, an experienced user (12 yrs, 5.8k rep) asked a question with identical text.
@jps Weird indeed. Still needs debugging details though...
mark as duplicate the newer question?
though if the older question is not answered, not sure we can mark it as duplicate...
@Cristik not when they're not posted by the same user
interesting way to circumvent the rules... curious if the did this on purpose or not
07:58
@Adriaan I would say yes, barely, because programmers use reCaptcha as a tool
@tripleee a worthy candidate for screenshot of the day
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they seem to be working in a concrete bunker with a security camera checking their every keypress
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@Nick bonus points for the reflection of the hand and phone
@Cristik it doesn't make any sense. Why would an experienced user create a fake account and pretend to be a noob? Or why would an experienced user copy from a noob. Either way, it does not make any sense.
08:35
@jps indeed
@jps Perhaps the experienced user is a colleague or friend? They might (erroneously) believe that the Q would get a better reception because of their higher rep.
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08:58
@snakecharmerb I mod-flagged the newer one and leave it to the moderators to figure this out
 
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10:00
@Adriaan The OP just misunderstood the comment on their linked NAA: Include a link to this question if it helps provide context. and the commentor didn't notice that the user who wrote the NAA is the same who asked the question.
11:12
(out of close votes myself, sorry)
 
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13:01
There has been a glitch in the matrix: i.sstatic.net/qfXjl.png
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13:58
Is this lacking an MCVE or about general computing?
@Adriaan looks like general computing, they ask about the output of a Microsoft command line tool
Is this about programming at all? And if so, lacking an MCVE, or on-topic?
@Adriaan I don't think it is, exactly
 
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16:19
@NathanOliver c++ has been renamed, you didn't hear? It is now called "Cucumber JUnit"
@mickmackusa I'd argue it's more shameful to avoid deletion of content you genuinely think ought to be deleted just to avoid earning a badge for self-deletion. I don't know of a single instance where having that badge reflected poorly on someone, or where someone criticized another user for having that badge.
(Assuming you mean the "Peer Pressure" badge and not the meritorious badge "Disciplined")
16:50
@TylerH I have the peer pressure badge, you have the peer pressure badge, even some of the site moderators have the peer pressure badge. Everyone makes mistakes. Nothing to be ashamed of. Even one the top users of the site has that badge.
@CPlus this looks like you changed the question (which was a library request) and now you've invalidated the existing answer?
same for the other one (except the edit was by Yivi)
@TylerH Nope, the answer shows the manpage, which shows the correct answer, which is #include <ctype.h>
I don't know C++ so I will abstain, but I don't know if it's worth reopening. There is another question on this already: stackoverflow.com/questions/32971979/toupper-tolower?rq=1 and this one has low views and no activity for like 8 years
I suggest we just delete the closed one instead and improve the title of the unclosed one
@NathanOliver thoughts?
@TylerH The unclosed one has a lot of unnecessary information, whereas the closed one is more straight to the point.
I dunno, the question seems pretty clear; it's even the first sentence. "How do I use toupper and tolower in C?" And the top answer is two sentences, one of which is basically "write #include <ctype.h>.
It's far more likely that this question provides more use than the one that's closed, given the score and (current) closed status of the one in the request
17:02
I don't feel like we need to reopen stackoverflow.com/questions/33454894/…. If we do it would just be closed as a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/32971979/toupper-tolower and that source is higher rated so it shows up in searches more
We could ask that stackoverflow.com/questions/33454894/… gets merged into stackoverflow.com/questions/32971979/toupper-tolower if we feel the answer there is worth keeping.
Personally I don't think we need to do that
 
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18:33
@jps question will Roomba today
 
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20:58
goodnight lads
🚽
 
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22:21
@TylerH I think it is a fair argument to consider me weak for not deleting a post which has a score <= -3. It's all about perspective. I simply have no appetite for the Peer Pressure badge and, for me, it is directly interfering with the very thing that it was designed to promote.
If my post would have received a justifying comment with any of the 3 downvotes, I would have been able to take corrective action on my correct and demonstrated answer. I could only assume the votes were retaliatory. Only RyanM had the courage to leave a comment. So I took the advice, decided to abandon the original answer, and posted a new answer.
This is why I will always be in favor of any new feature which incentivizes/promotes leaving a comment with a downvote.
I'd happily support a feature that promotes leaving constructive comments, but not one that doesn't do that until you've cast a downvote
23:13
@KevinB It's (perhaps) interesting that, when 'they' were thinking about allowing downvotes for 1-rep users, they were also thinking about an obligatory, "Why are you downvoting this post?" popup.
... but that whole experiment is now on hold, so we'll never really know.

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