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05:53
Note that in addition to the "Purchase Vicodin ..." spam post mentioned above, there's also the What is the B2C payment gateway service provider indicpay spam posted just after it.
 
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@tacoshy there is no way this forms the basis of an acceptable question once translated, FWIW
08:13
@KarlKnechtel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in many cases the question closed for Not in English is just never translated. And even if it is, it's often enough not reopened because there are still problems with it.
08:29
@KarlKnechtel as there is a dedicated flag "not written in English", I nearly never make the afford to translate it and check if it is valid. It makes no difference for the close reason.
 
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09:52
Should I modflag if I suspect I'm being systematically upvoted? I've been receiving upvotes once a day for the past week. All old, not very stellar (but functional and explained) answers
@Machavity wow, it seems I'm personally responsible for about 5% of the flagged answers. Go Natty and SOBotics!
@Adriaan You could, if you suspect voting fraud. It's up to you. Do include to explain why you suspect it.
10:12
@Adriaan Stuff like that happens all the time. Someone thinks "hey this dude seems to know what they are talking about", then starts to read your posts specifically. As long as it is positive feedback - they probably actually read the posts and judged them on their own merit - then there's no reason to flag. The opposite "I don't like this dude so I'm going to downvote everything" is of course not ok.
@Adriaan they better nuke your sock-puppet early ...
10:28
Are "spam profiles" still allowed or did they tighten the policy about that?
@Lundin nothing changed on that, afaict. I still nuke them on Stack Apps when I find them but it is not a priority for SO mods or the company for that matter.
12:03
@user12002570 Doesn't look deletable even with an additional dv
@Vega Check again, it is deletable. I've voted to delete it myself.
Strange, I dv-ed myself but "delete" was not available
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13:02
@Vega Nothing strange here, if a question was closed less than 48 hours ago, you can only cast a delete vote when the question has a score of < 3 or lower. At the time when the request was posted it had -1, then my downvote brought it to -2 and a third downvote made the del-vote possible. cc. @user12002570
13:21
Is this abusive (gibberish) or simly NAA?
@Adriaan Attempt at a dupe
or maybe not, that's the link to the same question
Yup, that's why I'm wondering whether to flag this as random copy=pasted junk, rather than NAA. Doesn't matter much either way, user is unregistered
mornin
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13:51
@Cow Also, same username as website, this is spam
14:33
@TylerH There are good technical reasons to not use using namespace std;
Unfortunately that's not what the question is asking, and it can't possibly be edited in a way that doesn't invalidate most of the 50+ answers there
I suspect it also already has any useful answer it will ever get; do we really need constant new opinions every couple of months as to why user X or Y thinks it's bad practice?
that's not how I read it. We don't close questions because they have enough useful answers
anyway I'm not going to argue over it, I can see it going either way
@NathanOliver That's not the primary reason I close-voted it, just evidence against leaving it open despite the opinion-based ask
I haven't gone through all of the undeleted answers, but maybe later I will have time--if the question can be edited to avoid that bold-faced off-topic language in a way that doesn't invalidate any of those answers (or where mild editing of the answers would suffice), I can do so and then retract the request
@TylerH It's been sitting there since 2009 and is a super common canonical dupe/reference used everywhere else on the site. If you are gonna mess around with a question like that then open up discussion on meta. It's too big a decision for 3 people or 1 gold badge to take unanimously IMO.
^ that
The C++ community likes it and maintains it. Its like the book list Q.
14:39
If would be time better spent to go through popular posts like that with some 20k+ C++ veterans and delete all the trash that every single one of them attract over time, then delete away.
14:50
I wonder though, at what extent the "C++ community" actually maintains anything. It's more like some dude at a time gets a lot of momentum from somewhere and starts cleaning stuff up. They meet a lot of friction because there are multiple opinions and then their clean-up spree loses momentum, until it finally stops.
I recall this one person who made a C++ clean-up effort this autumn, but he stopped. Most of the stuff he did was sensible and made the site better. The problem was probably that it was just that one guy, instead of a group doing it together.
Isn't that what Collectives was supposed to be good for?
Or "Discussions" was it, same thing?
@TylerH Would a title edit change your mind? Something like, "What are the dangers of "using namespace std;"?"
@Lundin I'm not trying to delete it
not sure why closing a question that's asking about good/bad practices should need a meta discussion
@AdrianMole something like that. It would need to be a light touch that, obviously, doesn't change the crux of what OP is asking about or invalidate the answers (hence, needing to go through all of those answers)
15:06
But I'm with Nathan and Lundin, on this one. That and the "bits/stdc++.h" post are the ones I most often link in my answers, as it is is generally excellent advice to give to new coders, even though using that isn't the actual cause of their specific problem.
(again, a question being closed doesn't remove it or prevent it from being used as a dupe target)
But a question being closed can make it a target for the wobbly delete-voters.
Although I don't think it can be deleted, being a target of so many dupes.
@AdrianMole you're correct, and I also agree it shouldn't be deleted without a wider consensus
at least the 10 users it would need to even delete in the first place given its current score, but likely more
@TylerH I wouldn't want to edit the title without some discussion with other C++ gurus (and possibly even C++-expert mods). The C++ chatroom may be the place to do that.
interestingly the bad practice verbiage in the post body itself was added by some other user fairly recently
15:14
Well, it was sort of there in the original...
@AdrianMole yeah, sort of.
15:31
@user12002570 That one is also borderline plagiarism. When cleaning up these kind of late answers, we can probably flag a great deal for copy/pasta of existing ones.
@Lundin Yeah that too is applicable for this answer.
I reviewed the undeleted answers (and had some more coffee) and made a revision to the question, which also needed its original performance issue question re-added as at least one answer addresses that question specifically. I'll retract my cv-pls cc @NathanOliver @Lundin @AdrianMole
I have a felling someone is going to change the title back but looks fine to me.
the linked list has, incidentally, led to such related gems as... this: stackoverflow.com/questions/1265039/using-std-namespace sigh
Also the top-voted answer for that one is kind of bad...
As usual with C++, the root problem is something else. Like if you do have two functions with the same name in different namespaces, then iirc C++ will merrily allow that to happen silently because of function overloading. So that function overloading is present in the language may be the actual problem. Or that someone decided to place naked stand-alone functions outside classes when writing a C++ library... not too likely.
@Vega Also dupe of same question by same user: stackoverflow.com/questions/77905016/…
15:48
@Lundin Thank you. I cv-ed the second for the same reason and not as dup, and the referred one as OB
@Vega I'm not sure if it is on-topic here or not. I'd rather not recommend them to a different site when they struggle with the Q&A concept.
@Lundin I did not recommend. For the both posts from the same user I voted as 'needs focus'. As for the older and referred question the OB is Opinion based, also not suggesting any other SE site
@Vega I tried to leave a comment for them now on their first question.
 
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18:02
@desertnaut: if you don't know the answer, then please be quiet.
@HovercraftFullOfEels wish I could say that back to OP whenever they say such things
18:56
@HovercraftFullOfEels should I guess that that was a comment by the OP, now deleted?
as U/U?
19:13
@desertnaut exactly so. I certainly didn't say that :D
@HovercraftFullOfEels I worried for a split second when I saw the comment in my inbox :D . In any case, I think you should have put in into quotes
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^ User is known to edit answer later and add spam link
voted fp and added them to blacklist
then we get notification if they edit it
I down voted and delete voted
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cool
@desertnaut oops
19:48
@Cow Probably spam seed, copied from stackoverflow.com/questions/71824769/…
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@aynber hmm weird
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@TylerH Flag?
well I would use a vote, not a flag, but I'm out of them for the day
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oh I meant vote, sorry
too much time in Charcoal lol
there
20:03
@Cow Are you sure? :)
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@Vega yes, it's a ressource request imo
In the end my vote doesn't count anyways
So a dupe as Tyler wrote or maybe even opinion based
I read trice and checked all answers just in case I did not understand, but nobody understood it as off-site resource request
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it's old though, there was a time when SO didn't go by the rules :)
at least this is what I hear all the time
it can be interpreted as an off site resource, however, given it wasn't treated as one, and has a bunch of answers presenting actual solutions and not links to third party resources, it'd probably be better to correct the framing of the question
question looks fine to me too, it's way closer to an how-to question than a resource request one
and how-to questions are on-topic
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20:10
@TylerH please bin my request again, I don't feel I should've done that now lol
I'll retract my vote
I really don't see off-site resource, borderline give me the code, and still
fwiw there is a comment suggesting an offsite resource
@Cow binned per your request
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<3
@KevinB it would need OP's own words to define what they mean by 'stable'. Also What does "generally used" mean? Used where? That's the resource request part of (cc @Vega), but both are opinionated asks
so I would probably go with POB
20:22
I mean, i'd just omit both
I guess if you're OK wholly changing OP's question, sure
What does it become, then? How do I write a quicksort implementation? Isn't that too broad?
Surely, given they've asked the question, they want the question to exist
if for it to exist the opinionated bits need to be removed...
the end result is the same list of answers
@TylerH this is how-to questions work :)
@TylerH That is exactly what I read, however I believe it is on-topic on SO
@Cristik Not all "how to" questions are within scope. They need to be reasonably scoped, too
20:26
of course not, "how to build the new Facebook" is clearly off-topic, but "how to implement quicksort in XXX programming language" is not
I'm not personally familiar with quicksort algorithms but given that such a question as this would become has 25 different implementations, I fail to see how it would really be anything more than a 'list' question of people suggesting their favorite implementations, since no metrics are provided (and couldn't be since it's not OP making the edit)
well, it's not OP's fault that 25 different people wanted to answer :)
the too broad (need focus) close reason, as well as opinionated/resource requests, are meant to prevent questions that are too likely to result in an unmanageable mess of endless answers because there's far too many open variables.

I would have liked for the op to have provided a link to a resource explaining what quicksort is, to them, but... otherwise i don't really see an issue with the question in this case. you could take almost any how to question and come up with 25 variations if you try hard enough
@Cristik So, you think there's a chance many of these posts are repeats? cc @KevinB
particularly with javascript
20:29
@KevinB I challenge you to describe the list of answers here as anything other than 'an unmanageable mess of endless answers' :-)
i am similarly unfamiliar with quicksort, so they do indeed just look like a mess of posted code to me
Oooh, I see a comment indicating that Stability is a quantifiable thing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm#Stability
@TylerH it might be, there aren's that many ways to implement quicksort
But, OP specifically didn't want to reinvent the wheel so didn't want new implementations... bah
huh, past me has already voted on a lot of these answers
20:32
@TylerH and then in the comments they say "that's why I was going to write my own"
OP, make up your mind please
I edited the question to improve it somewhat. A lot of my concern is mitigated by the discovery that stable sorting is a defined term
 
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22:44
@TylerH Given your edits, I also went ahead and completed the close review task as Leave Open
23:03
@RyanM Mumble mumble ... mod bullying ... more mumbles. Oh, you agree with me. No bother. Thanks for your contribution! :)
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23:14
@miken32 eligible for del-pls now
@Nick Haha I guess videos of code are even less popular than screenshots of code
:)
I can't believe some people actually watched the video so they could answer the question...
some people are just that desperate for unicorn points
Probably at least one is "AI"
same argument
;)

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