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Recently bumped: should stackoverflow.com/q/1451144/2943403 be closed as NDD, no repro? ? The fact is str_replace() IS multibyte safe.
 
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@HovercraftFullOfEels The OP has posted the code now.
 
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04:04
@bad_coder Curses. Aside from being a common dup, this is a bad signpost because it wouldn't be acceptable without the canonical existing - it's way too subjective and looking for "why should I do things this way?".
But as it turns out, one of the outstanding delete votes was mine, and I just accidentally retracted that vote and can't cast it again
04:28
@KarlKnechtel Generally posts using input() in Python are always by 1st week beginners and the MRE would be better having the input data declared as a variable to save potential readers the work of actually having to type in any input. That alone usually makes it a good candidate for deletion (apart from being a dup).
But honestly, I see a post with input() my first instinct is wanting the post to go away :P
04:41
@KarlKnechtel I also came across this one that was closed that same week (I'm going through my cv-vote list in order) and you hammered open. Generally I'd be inclined to not keep it, since it's about combining 2 basic functionalities but I'm too lazy to go searching for a more accurate dup so lets keep it around :)
^^ we could also argue that one isn't MRE because the file isn't necessary and a string literal in the code would be enough.
 
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05:45
@bad_coder I literally can't tell you what I was thinking because that was almost 3 years ago
@Jesse oh I didn't even notice the link; I just saw obvious ChatGPT output and flagged on that basis
I honestly think some people are posting these kinds of questions specifically so that an associate can come along with spam-embedding ChatGPT content
or even operating both accounts
06:16
@KarlKnechtel happens all the time; I used to have a userscript which helped somewhat but even then I made mistakes (and now my employer has banned userscripts)
@KarlKnechtel no problem, I'm not asking for an explanation. I stopped curating for a while because almost every day someone picked an argument with me and I lost patience.
07:05
@TylerH cc @Jesse Thanks for the ping. Yes, I marked the report on MS as TPU, as the original version had a spam link. However, I then saw that the user had edited the spam link out, unprompted, within a minute of posting. So, I disputed the spam flags, which undeleted and unlocked the post. There was then another edit. Then, for a reason I'm not aware of, another moderator rolled it back to the original version with the spam link and it was re-deleted as spam. I've pinged the other mod to get their thoughts.
07:51
@mickmackusa to me it looks like that answer works the same as the accepted one
in the sense that both answers loose the original dat structure
08:07
@mickmackusa Did you link to the right one? The most downvoted one is completely wrong.
did they guidelines change that incorrect answers getting moderated outside of down-votes?
08:18
@tacoshy not sure what you mean? Mods will still not delete incorrect answers AFAIK
@mickmackusa Ah, I see that you also del-pls requested that one too. And I see the problem with that one too.
but users who are competent to judge the quality of answers are encouraged to vote to delete things which are actively misleading, harmful, or otherwise problematic
I dont mean " mod moderated" I mean user moderated because of this del-request: "provably incorrect"
Mods won't delete answer just because they are incorrect. If they did, and the poster were to subsequently correct their answer, it would then need a mod to undelete it. It's different for ordinary (SME) deletions, though.
but so posting del-pls for incorrect stuff is fair game, though you should probably not blindly click if you are not familiar enough with the technology to be able to tell (though e.g. comments from high-rep or otherwise trustworthy users might be sufficient to persuade you even then)
08:36
@tripleee Agreed. One could argue that incorrect answers, or those which encourage bad practice, do - in fact - cause 'harm' because they 'pollute' the repository of otherwise good content.
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Guys, we cannot all be as intelligent as you guys! There also needs to be room for someone like me :D
I might have some wrong answers out there
in the wild
An example that comes to mind, for which I posted a del-pls request in here, was an answer in which they not only encouraged the use of the dreaded bits/stdc++.h header but actually suggested editing that 'system' file.
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dont delete them
@Cow I thought all cows were domesticised by now?
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hahahaha
ok ok touché
08:39
Allegedly, there are still wild cows in the Cheviot Hills.
Hi, how is my favority taco meat doing?
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argh!
runs for the hills
no need - I promised you not to eat you
@Cow shouldn't that be a beach in Denmark?
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one of you should transfer me some knowledge on how to generate certificates with openssl, it's not behaving well
@Adriaan I guess, we dont have hills
08:41
you do, Its not netherland
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we're as flat as the netherlands
according to statistics
there is the majestic Himmelbjerget, towering at 147m
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we're also a lot smaller country
tiny whiny
@tacoshy hey, we have a grand total of two volcanoes, one even 888m above sea level! (granted, it's in the Caribbean, but officially a Dutch municipality)
well you're my second favorite neighbor
08:43
though en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himmelbjerget reveals that there are a couple even higher places
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by what? 5 meters?
haha
@Cow you're actually 5% larger than the Netherlands ;) 43000km² vs 41000km²
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what?
@tripleee "Skymountain" small tears of joy
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probably counting in one of other countries
08:48
@adriaan isn't the dutch highest and favorite mountains the Harz Mountains with a hight of 1.141 Meter
The "Kingdom of Denmark" includes also the Faeroe Islands and Greenland, IIRC.
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yes sir
"When including the Faroe Islands and Greenland, the EEZ is the 15th largest in the world with 2,220,093 km2 (857,183 sq mi)." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Denmark
So, cows are safe from being eaten, all the time there are whales available. :-)
@tacoshy that'd be Germany. Our highest is the Vaalserberg with a grand total of 328m. But Mount Scenery on St Eustace (or Saba?) is now officially within a Dutch municipality and at 888m the highest point.
More impressive is actually that our lowest dry point is 6.48m below sea level and that >25% of the population lives below sea level
08:52
@Adriaan not according the colors of the license plates there
dont worry I'm not a rasist just makign fun
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@AdrianMole rofl
@tacoshy ah right, but then Luxembourg would also be ours ;)
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I've only been to Amsterdam
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lovely city
08:54
and loveyl windows with curtains thet get clsoed every 15-30 minutes?
Been there, lived there.
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try 2 mins and also, dude wtf I'm married
My best friend lives in Goningen. I also regularily do medical flights to netherland
But cows get inseminated by a loan-bull with good sperm quality. At least on the farm of an uncle of mine.
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what is this chat now rofl
08:57
NSFW ... but great that everyone knows what we talk about
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hahaha
I don't like this, I spilled my coffee laughing
good thing I work from home today
best mobile phone repair!
/o\
@cow if you ever get to germany close to Dortmund, Essen, Cologne... then give me a call and the Beer and BBQ is on me
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I've written some code for this question because I was curious (stackoverflow.com/questions/77653011/…). Though the questions asks for something impossible, would it even be a good idea to post an answer? Will I get down votes for doing it?
Ohhh, Ruhrgebiet! Glück Auf Kumpel!
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@tacoshy Been to Essen a ton of times for car shows
long drive though
09:07
@Cow If you've got a good, insightful answer, do post it. Even if what they want is impossible. I've done this e.g. here.
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@Adriaan Oh that's very cool, thank you for sharing
@Adriaan that is where they dig big holes, right?
@rene very big holes, yes.
Very underground.
09:37
what a super rage war in the comments of this questions and answer. Luckily some of the comments have already been deleted
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very contructive
@tacoshy without getting involved there your statement Downvotes are for bad answer is not 100% correct. It is for answers that are not useful. If someone can't reproduce the issue and therefor finds the answer not useful is a valid reason to downvote. You can try to work-out why they can't reproduce and/or see different behavior with that offered solution but telling them to not downvote for that reason is not a correct response, to say the least.
I see - IMHO it was not given because he didn't liked the anwser technical-wise but originally because the answerer did not explain him how he reproduced the issue.
sure. Just flag and move on.
11:00
@Adriaan has actual code now
@Nick ta
Can a RO move this request? OP added code (cc @rene)
11:15
> The answer is not needed
Duly noted.
12:10
Should we delete this answer, as the author posted a second answer, shortly afterwards, rather than editing.
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oh dear
I added code fences because, at first, it looked like a copy-paste of the other answer; then, while I was checking, I noticed that it was the same user.
Mr Aya added code formatting to the other one.
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I do not have to power to help, but I would deffo suggest that one of them got deleted
It looks a lot like an edit, but posting a new answer with the edited code
What happened to your cow-pow?
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haha
I don't have 20K rep to vote for deletion
probably never will either
12:15
oh you will...
...if you live long enough
Go answer some obvious Python dupes ... you'll soon reach 20k.
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Its how I got most of my reps!
Then I saw someone here talk about how stupid that is
Then I had second thoughts
Hey, we've all answered dupes; most in our early days.
Or simply learn Flexbox and gird. Literally dozens question asked each day about it
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I would be happy with just 3K rep so that my normal votes would actually count
Charcoal HQ provides me with loads of spam votes now, it's insane
And the people there are so nice
cough
12:22
I could have been easily at 20k if I wouldn't downvote so much :/
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Yeah I stopped that too
I think it was VLAZ that inspired me to not down vote unless it's actually needed
nah I don't. I can't care less and the system does not work as it should if everyone would be scared to downvote just because of loosing rep
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yeah but some have so much rep they just don't care anymore
Is this spam or simply link-only (including a non-clickable YT link) I cannot find any affiliation, so I'm inclined towards VLQ for being link-only
and to be fair in the fronend area (HTML, CSS and JS) you have many poor quality answers with outdated methods caused by w3school teachings
@Adriaan partly on topic and no direct connection to the OP that I find
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12:25
I actually think that outside the python tag I see more upvotes than down votes
@Adriaan I don't see a connection between the user and that company
VLQ it is, thanks!
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<3
@cow create a custom filter with CSS, HTML and SASS. You see more down-votes then upvotes
@Cow Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But, yeah ... I also looked for a connection but failed to find one. It looks very spammy, though.
tons of "low-quality" question or just homework dumps
12:28
@Adriaan I still flagged. It is unwanted add. But the question can go, too
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@tacoshy lol ok I believe you
@AdrianMole True, but the YT link was left out as highlighted and the github link actually has some code. I mean, I might've become soft and everything, but I dunno
@cow the first 15 questions with that filter have 0 upvotes but a total of 7 downvotes
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rofl
I rest my case
<3
Vega was faster
12:54
Is this question about an missing authorization question with a Google Drive still on topic or "not about programming"
@tacoshy seems the latter to me
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It's Friday! Today's giggle: i.imgur.com/IgcBTKh.jpg
13:14
@Cow I'm pretty sure that poll was a troll. And I also assume a lot of people who answered it were in on the joke.
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aww come on I just searched the interwebs for something funny and then you come along and shoots it down
If you want funny or daft stuff on the interwebs, just monitor staff announcements in Meta.SE.
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@AdrianMole haha
13:33
I made the question formatting assistant produce a thesis on "the power of unicorns" as recommendations for how to ask a question on SO :)
Someone else made it tell an episode of My Little Pony
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oh for the love of god what are they doing
Hmm one of them pesky mods seems to have deleted most of the fun stuff :(
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heh, it's all strike answers
I like it when SO gives me a chocolate chip cookie recipe via the question formatting assistant.
I wonder what you need to see deleted answers on meta?
Also I remember posting a serious answer to that question and it got deleted too... hmm.
Oh nevermind, I linked the wrong post! meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/425162/…
13:44
@Lundin Just 10k rep, same as main.
Yeah it's was just my brain already switching into Friday mode
That last link contains the pony stories and chess games and all other silliness that people made the formatting assistant spit out :)
I mean...same. I didn't read the last two replies...
Hmm "p.s. Forbid me for asking such basic doubts." That's harsh
Actually it's not even a picture of their code, it's a picture of their homework... sigh
14:01
@Lundin so strange that in Indian English a "doubt" is actually countable and one can have one or multiple "doubts" about something
common thing in asia
@Adriaan doubt means question in Indian English
@Adriaan Yeah it sounds weird but apparently kids in school are taught to say "I have a doubt" when they have a question during class
@Dharman Yes, I know that, thanks to Stack Overflow. It still does sound very weird to my ears.
go to thailoand is even more weird there
14:06
huh. I don't think I've ever heard doubt as a singular noun
plural noun, all the time. verb, of course
The best programming teacher I ever had was from India... and the worst one was as well :) If you think Indian English sounds weird try Indian Swedish :)
oh my
@aynber Search "I have a doubt" 4346 results
That best programming teacher spoke Swedish with ridiculously heavy Indian accent and had the social skills of a dead rat :) But somehow he was super pedagogical and also knew way too much about programming languages.
I had a couple of teachers in Sweden with a very typical Swedish accent in English. Things as "shilo" instead of "kilo"
14:12
Hehe, Swedish accent is also quite painful :) Swedes in general think they know far more English than they actually do, particularly when it comes to pronunciation :)
I can't speak to that, since my English teacher came from Inverness :')
Scottish accent is cool though :) Should be made mandatory for all brits
Should we start with german English? You go on my cookie (You're really getting on my nerves)
@tacoshy Always reminds me of this :D
The Swenglish equivalent would be "You are walking on my nerves".
14:21
@Adriaan Huh. True. "I have doubts" is what I normally think/hear
If there is one phrase from Indian English we should transfer to "international" English, is "do the needful". It's just so good.
@VLAZ Uh there's quite a bit of innuendo there. What's the original supposed to mean?
as long as it isn't "upgradation
@Lundin Essentially "do what is needed to fulfil the task". I've commonly seen it when Indial clients of ours have reported a bug - they'd include the reproduction steps and then close with "do the needful".
Aah, hehe :)
14:29
the most fun Indian English comedy to listen to: IRS pretenders.
I think someone needs attention - but he probably does not want "ours"
@tacoshy Yikes... so many things went wrong there, I'm not sure if it can even be edited into shape.
doubt that. Despite the fact that it is hard to read (not solely to all caps) I really have troubles to understand what he is talking about
@Lundin huh? Their other contributions are in English. Albeit their horrendous style with bolds all over is ever present
Maybe they forgot which language they were using. The most common non-English posts by far are otherwise Spanish, Portuguese and Russian. Because of them other sites and ppl pick the wrong site when posting.
@adriaan but the english is even worse then mine: stackoverflow.com/a/77547536/14072420
14:42
There's no SO in French though...
true but so many alternatives to SO
@Lundin I've asked a Chinese about that at some point. They replied, apparently a Chinese SO exists (not official, just a machine translated one) and by searching "Stack Overflow" on their search engine, the locale version was the first that popped up. Given it looked exactly like the regular one and they use a browser translator anyway, they didn't see that they were on the English locale
China is a very special case though.
I suspect the same for all languages where a locale is present
Hi Just noticed something thought to share and get some insights if anyone has. I am noticing from last month, My score for Javascript tag is not changing from 2 months although I know I have gained score. Is it that the script to update the score is not running or something?
@mandy8055 There is a bug for it in review. The tag scores have stopped updating
@VLAZ thanks so much for confirming. Was just curious.
Why does ^ have +12 score? It doesn't even have a question
I feel like I'm in Germany right now. It's raining here but it's also sunny at the same time
@Adriaan probably lots of people have had the same need as the OP
15:20
i keep hearing about some winter storm and yet it's warm outside
@Jesse I think it's best to just disengage w/ that user on the Meta question, in part because they're either not gonna get it or they're intentionally being obtuse. The other part is I get pinged every time y'all reply since it's under my answer... :-)
15:31
@Adriaan not as strange when you consider it probably stems from the English phrasing of "I have my doubts" which, when parsed exactly/literally, means "I have plural reasons to suspect otherwise"--it's the logical backtracing from plural to singular, even if it does sound awkward to everyone else.
A similar logical thing that is regional but sounds weird is southern US people saying "y'all". English doesn't have any words dedicated to being second person plural pronouns, which AFAIK is pretty rare among Indo European languages, so southerners invented a contraction of 'you all' to serve that purpose.
I think there's a shift of meaning too. If I (native speaker of British English, more or less) say "I have my doubts about X" I mean that I am uncertain whether X is true, or feasible, or likely etc. The "I have doubts" formulation means "I do not (fully) understand X" AFAICT
@TylerH Also, might be older form of English. I just checked "Do the needful" maybe an hour ago and apparently it's contemporary Indian English but also old form of British English. Presumably it was exported to the colonies and it just remained in use. It's possible something similar happened with "doubt".
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15:58
@TylerH Yeah, that's probably going to be my last comment. I just don't like being insulted for enforcing rules that I believe in just because someone else doesn't like them, so I decided to try and give them a run for their money.
I believe languages go far deeper and more things are to consider here. In Thailand, we have no word for "yes" or "no". There is also no real word for "very" and that language is largely influenced by Indians (Indochina). So lottery if some ask if "is the food tasty?l" then answers are: "Tasty" (yes), "Tasty tasty" (very tasty) or "dislike tasty" (no) - That way very strange english wording occure
or things like fast - faster - fastest go in Thailand: fast - fast fast - fast fast fast
@TylerH In Western Pennsylvania, where I grew up, we say "yinz" for the plural of "you." It is a contraction or bastardization of "you ones." You might say "Are yinz coming tonight?" Then if you are talking to multiple groups of people, you might pluralize the plural. You might say "Are yinzes coming tonight."
I moved from a yinz area to a y'all area, though not native to either. I've embraced y'all
all y'all
"all y'all" is also a plural plural "you". :)
yup
16:08
@aynber What's "yinz"? Same as "y'all"? I don't think I've encountered it.
Pretty much. It's a Western PA/Pittsburgher thing
Yeah, I'm from Acme, PA and I knew the road runner growing up.
the who
@StephenOstermiller lol. Not the coyote?
We didn't talk to that family. Not very nice tbh.
16:22
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@StephenOstermiller I heard that one from my dad; he is from NE Pennsylvania
he didn't use it but knew of it
19:41
@StephenOstermiller I always thought you were german or austrian because of your username :O
@bad_coder Like, I always thought you're not very good at programming ... because of your username. ;-P
bad as in horrible, or bad as in bad mama jama?
mammajamma?
@bad_coder Pennsylvania has a lot of German and Dutch people from the 1700s so they could ancestrally be from some nearby part of Europe
@miken32 also not about programming
@TylerH wasn't sure since they mentioned Unity, not my area of expertise but I know a bad question when I see it lol
Pennsylvania Dutch
20:25
@miken32 Unity is a game engine, while you can write code in it (e.g. for games), you don't have to (it's not just a programming IDE--there's drag and drop functionality to make complete games).
so if the question isn't about either C# code or UnityScript code OP has written/needs to write, then it's off-topic here
(or about specific features of UGE related to the programming aspect of the engine/their game, like syntax highlighting/code completion/etc.)
hopefully that helps a bit :-)
@aynber Who are, amusingly, not "real" Dutch but descendants of Germans. The term "Dutch" is a stems what they called themselves in the 18th century: "Deitsch" which stems from the same root of the current German word for Germans: "Deutsch". It was later that "Dutch" (not via the Pennsylvania Dutch but other sources) became a name for the people of the Netherlands.
/amazing historic and linguistic facts that will get you all the invites to all the parties
Though there are IIRC lots of real Dutch people in New York
or were, back then
the descendants there today are probably considered American by now...
@VLAZ Great for Trivia night!
@TylerH New Amsterdam, Haarlem ...
@TylerH That's also true. It's just that the Pennsylvania Dutch are not those. Bit of a misnomer due to historical reasons. Dutch, Deutsch, and Deitsch share the same root.
20:39
@rene Go New Amsterdam Yankees! ...doesn't quite have the same ring to it :-P
@bad_coder I have plenty of German ancestors. Generations of my family have moved around a lot within the US. Most US Ostermillers are in Billings, Montana, not that I've ever been there myself.
@TylerH lol
dang English messing everything up. lol
I'd say yeah, but they only really got it from the Normans, I think
true
21:07
@TylerH I like that part of Europe, so knowing about the diaspora is also nice :)
@StephenOstermiller Montana seems like the perfect hicking vacation! :D
@AdrianMole that makes two of us, only a part of my degree is CS so I'll never be a "natural" :P
Dinner time, good evening everyone o/
22:08
I don't think this one is clear enough to dupehammer
@KarlKnechtel I suspect OP just wants to use a variable for the key. dict[key] and print(key)
Assuming we're talking about this question, I concur that I have no earthly idea what they're asking.
@VLAZ I can't fathom that conclusion, because the apparently desired result should be one of the keys.
My best guess is that they're trying to get the key for a given value (i.e., reverse lookup)
but that's far from clear
it's presumably either that, or else some arbitrary key, or "the first" key (which even conceptually makes some sense in 3.7+)
but absent any clarification on that point there is nothing answerable here
22:22
and they've had two days to answer those requests for clarification, and have not replied
@KarlKnechtel Basing this off a few questions I saw recently in JS-land where the askers essentially were asking how to use variables. Because they wanted to get a value from a dictionary and also know what the key was. Or get a random index from an array and also get the same index from another array. Seems to be assignment time in educational institutions.
I am not really pushing that it's not unclear, though. I'm just trying my best crystal ball reading.
Not sure about this one. OP mentiones that the code is possibly dangerous. What to do?
@Turing85 Needs debugging details; the code is not in the question
we can't help OP with virus scanning, that's not a programming matter. If they want us to help with de-obfuscation, we need to see the obfuscated code and other pertinent file details
22:37
@TylerH the question is about deobfuscation. It is obviously not in the question. That is another thing... it is possibly trying to infringe on a copyright.
I generally downvote questions where OP is asking for help with doing something illegal
or unethical
though I personally don't see enough information on that here
but deobfuscation doesn't preclude one from needing to follow the 'include a minimal reproducible example' rule
Is it unethical if OP wants verify that the code is not dangerous?
I mean...reverse engineering is certainly not inherently illegal or unethical.
You can fit some hundred thousand words in a SO post. If it's too big to fit the code OP needs help with in an SO post, it should be closed as too broad/needs focus
@TylerH Agreed.
22:40
@RyanM agreed
@RyanM That depends on your intention... clean room engineering and stuff...
What I'm referring to w/ illegal or unethical is someone asking for a way to circumvent some 3rd party service restriction, often accompanied by "don't worry guys, I'm not evil :-D" or some other remark. Usually someone trying to scrape personal/private data or circumvent a monetary requirement
not just "I want to reverse engineer this functionality"
Arguments on meta against deobfuscation questions point out that it's an inherently not a reusable and often broad multistep process. In this case there isn't even code to deobfuscate. I don't really see how it'd be a valuable Q&A entry with an external link that can rot and also might be malware.

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