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@M-- I don't think it's NAA.
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01:15
@karel guess so, it really doesn't answer the OP's question and does ask a question, yet has something that would be considered a proposed solution. I did cast a del-vote but did not flag it.
 
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03:23
Been a while
03:58
false alarm, but also self-deleted
 
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06:31
what causes a question from less than 24 hours ago to be deleted by Community? I find similar questions about individual deleted posts on MSO but none of them seem to have an explanation of the circumstances which would cause this to be displayed
this is the specific question I'm asking about, currently at -1: stackoverflow.com/questions/75757714/…
(requires 20k rep, obviously)
@tripleee That question was deleted when the account that posted it was destroyed. See the timeline.
@AdrianMole ahhh, thanks, I missed that because I was focusing on the next item on the timeline where it says the post was deleted
06:48
@JamesRisner I don't know the exact mechanism. I guess that if you retract the VLQ flag before it entered Triage, the temporary flagging won't have any effect. But it would probably not easy to conduct such an experiment.
When a moderator destroys an account (rather than just deleting it), the Community Bot goes off on a mission to delete all posts from the account. This is done (at least partly) so that 10k users can't see (or deduce) which mod destroyed the account.
right, I see, thanks
@AdrianMole "the Community Bot goes off on a mission to delete all posts from the account." rare photo of this
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@VLAZ I always imagine the Community Bot to be more like this.
07:04
stackoverflow.com/questions/75764590 I think this should maybe be a duplicate of some reference about exact quantifiers in regex? but I don't have reference canonicals lined up for regex, only python
@KarlKnechtel this or this maybe. Got both from Reference - What does this regex mean?
second one looks like a better fit. but in general I hate this thing where we end up with pairs of "Q. How do I do X? A. Use Y" and "Q. What is Y for? A. It does X"
I've noticed the spammers never seem to hit the high-quality, high-view-count questions
@KarlKnechtel might be related to this meta answer on a question of mine; they want to be able to provide a page where the link is visible as long as possible to the customer. High-traffic posts risk quicker deletion in their minds
07:43
@JonathanWillcock See the FAQ for how to format requests
@JonathanWillcock please review the FAQ; you want to include the [tag:cv-pls] formatting as well as a close reason, and probably also a topic tag like [tag:sql] or what have you to guide SOCVR members to pay attention or ignore topics according to their preferences or skill sets
(yay, I was only guessing it was based on the talk about columns)
Thanks for the FAQ link. I will use in future. I take it that it is not possible to edit a message?
there is a limited time window which has already closed for that message (IIRC two minutes)
08:06
@Adriaan yeah, undisclosed affiliation at least
@rene but "our addon" is clear enough disclosure IMHO
the IP address is not exceptionally spammy, the watch has captured 40 spam messages but also produced 61 false positives
(probably more, there is a bunch of still unreviewed posts)
@tripleee sure, but the whole purpose of the post is solely to promote their own stuff, which is a paid product even
That was an account created with the sole purpose of advertising the product. I flagged it as spam.
fair enough
I'm still on the fence; if you have a business and someone asks for exactly what you are providing, creating an account to provide an answer with a clear indication of your affiliation should be permitted
Is this NAA or rude?
08:10
the "exactly" part is dubious in this case but not too far off the mark IMHO
@Adriaan rude / abusive
08:41
@Lundin not really spam? Could have been a VLQ question about mojibake
@tripleee If so tough luck, they should have phrased it better...
certainly; but imposing a -100 penalty on their account seems pretty harsh
@tripleee Why? If the question is so bad that you can't even tell if it is genuine or spam, then they'll get what's coming to them. It's the OP:s problem.
@tripleee Yeah: -100 penalty seems harsh; should've been a -© pen4³alt¼6eƒ, instead. ;-P
^ That whole Q&A reported by Smoky seems very strange
Accepted answer with +28 score containing "Thank you for posting. Could you please capture some screenshots for me?" Eeeh?
Ok I did some edits trying to salvage the whole thing. Sounds like a helpful post, the answers are just not of great quality.
Oh nice, we have a tag. And it looks like a virtual cesspool of unrelated topics.
@Juraj Are you sure it isn't about programming? These various ESP platforms seem to have some auto code-generating tools. Never used them myself so I wouldn't know.
The initial part of the question is C++ code.
09:22
Is this about programming?
@Lundin The tag Wiki for that seems to state - quite categorically - that it is ambiguous. You should start a Meta rant. ;) We should, at the very least, disambiguate it into those four categories.
09:44
@AdrianMole I've pretty much given up on the SO tag system, it is beyond salvaging. And there's no point in trying until we make creating new tags a 10k+ rep privilege or such...
Meh. Make it a 188.5k reputation t/hold. ;)
Or that! :)
@Lundin most part of the question is about configuration of the access point. the code works with other access point model. so at least it needs to be edited to be about programming
09:59
@Juraj Maybe it would be more suitable for arduino.stackexchange.com
@Lundin no. it is about networking. about the TPLink Archer routers
10:14
Is there a similar chat to SOCVR but SE network-wide?
Nevermind, found it, Tavern on the meta seems to fit the bill.
10:35
@DalijaPrasnikar I think questions regarding picking the right build of a programming tool during installation is borderline on-topic. It's not really a question that can be answered by anyone else but someone with experience of MySQL.
@AdrianMole there’s a story there? As in there apparently was a need to block 10k people from seeing which mod destroyed. But I’m not sure why the need?
@JamesRisner to protect mods from irate retaliation attempts from disgruntled users, I imagine?
@tripleee disgruntled 10k users?
rep does not seem to correlate well with understanding of the site's principles
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10:49
@JamesRisner I don't know of any specific back-story or the history, but there are a number of mod-triggered events that end up being handled by the Community Bot. I just assumed that retaining moderator anonymity was one of the reasons for that.
@tripleee I guess that’s the key concept that didn’t dawn on me. I kinda wish I had the problem of rep coming so easy I get 10k without time to learn the site. 7 months of daily actively trying to answer and ask to just break 4k. ;-)
@JamesRisner it's easier in some tags than in others. The tag has a few users who appeared out of nowhere long after me, but have earned much more rep than I have, just by persistently answering questions of sometimes dubious quality
there's a significant time investment (and actually the ones I'm thinking of are doing a good job of curating some of the dreck in that tag)
We need a "Reputation Farmer" review queue: Whenever a user crosses a threshold modulo (say) 10k, their posts are reviewed and, if they are found to be answering LQ questions and dupes, they have 10k (or whatever) removed from their rep. xD
@tripleee I resemble that remark. Answering questions of dubious quality by divining their meaning and giving the best answer I can. All the other questions get answers in 5 minutes.
@AdrianMole so a “review future me queue”? ;-)
@Lundin Installing a database is not something that only or primarily a programmers would do. There are more appropriate sites for asking that question.
11:05
I agree, though whether there are other sites which are better suited is basically beside the point
11:37
How long has the "Recommended courses for you..." ad been eating up the R/H pane?
That 'curated list of courses' has, for me, "The Complete Introduction to C++ Programming." As a holder of a gold tag-badge in C++, I feel like reporting that as R/A.
Doesn't everyone have ads disabled and ad blockers on top of that?
Or maybe the ad is brought to you by a super smart AI (SmokeyGPT?) who knows more of C++ than anyone else :)
@AdrianMole Since Jan/Feb of this year, and it will run for 4 months, so should be ending in a month or two. At least they're curated to your interests now, as promised, unlike before.
@Lundin I have ads disabled, but I don't use an ad blocker beyond the one built into my skull. (Nitpick: Smokey's job is fighting spam/ads, not delivering them!)
Well, I get 7 Python courses recommended and (finally) one introductory C++ course. I guess I haven't set up my tracker cookies properly. (Is there a python program to do that?)
11:55
@CodyGray You think he is fighting spam... He is training himself until the day he will take over the whole site for sinister AI purposes. He's really pissed that his unicorn chat icon was replaced, see.
12:11
@AdrianMole I think you need C++.
12:34
@AdrianMole Some users shares dups to new users who asked the question, then they say something like I can't able to figure out the solution as I'm new to the technology and yes you'd be right the question has been asked before but I couldn't resolve this in my problem, can you please provide the answer?
Then some users provide answers to dups.
@SunderamDubey That's not really the point. There are notorious users in most of the "big" tags who care little or nothing about site curation. They just want quick rep. ... even if they already have several hundred thousand. Without naming names, there was one case where a user had posted the exact same answer to about 20 questions. I just posted a link to the search that found that in a comment, then hammered the question closed.
@AdrianMole Ya I can relate ;)
Looking at the tag I'm most active in, out of the top 20 users, 4 of them are the kind who keep answering endless duplicates to grind rep. I really don't get why it matters so much beyond 20k, do people really refer to their SO rep in their CV or something?
But, the real issue is that, despite what they say about wanting to support good site curation, the (senior) staff of S.O. Inc. just don't want to do anything about this problem. The rep-reapers are, in their minds, the power that keep the site(s) going.
@AdrianMole In all fairness SO staff did start a discussion about the rep system on meta.se quite recently. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/387356/…?
12:41
@Lundin There was a case on Meta a few years back, where a user who had had a significant amount of rep removed (for whatever reason - serial voting, I think) was complaining that it had made their CV look 'wrong' and made a somewhat cryptic/hidden threat that they would consider taking legal action if the rep. wasn't restored.
@AdrianMole By all means they can have a refund of all the cash they spent registring on SO :)
@Lundin I know of at least one high-rep user who simply keeps going because finding duplicates is so horribly hard that it's easier to keep replying to FAQs
But then they would have to return the 'bling' they received for reaching the 100k and/or 250k thresholds, is not?
I can't say I disagree even though it arguably sabotages the usefulness of the site for future visitors
@tripleee Yeah that's the usual argument and it's valid too, to some extent. I mean, if you have made an effort to keep track of canonical dupes and still can't find one.
12:45
as for the motivation to answer questions, aren't we all in it for some kind of dopamine hit?
I do it as penance. (You'd need to understand how truly horrible I am in real life to understand that, though.)
@AdrianMole Noo not my coffee mug! They can take our rep, but they can never take our coffee!
I don't think SO is handing out stuff for reaching 100k any longer though
did they stop again? it was suspended at some point but they started again and I got mine around one year after reaching 100k
Dunno. I think it was suspended around the time when they were firing staff left and right, trying to sell the company.
@tripleee I still have not received my 100K swag. At this point though I'm not sure if I would use it.
12:51
According to this swag should be back as per winter 2020
or rather according to this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/358195/…
yeah, that was the batch I belonged to
the logistics updates sounded like they batch them up for months, though given Nathan's rep I would imagine he would have earned his not long after I got mine
SO socks would be neat. Perfect for sock puppets...
I regret to inform you that this joke has been used (-:
@tripleee Probably from my sock pup account.
@tripleee I hit 100K in like May of 2019.
13:08
I think June 2019
the guidance at the time was to ping them if you thought you had been dropped from the queue somehow
IIRC, there are some people who had profile preferences which prevented SO from contacting them to get a postal address etc
Will S.O. Inc. cover the postal charges to Planet Zoolap? (Should I ever reach 100k!)
I hear they support shipping to the known universe if you can prove that you are really where you say you are; but my understanding is that the Zoolapians have some pretty funny import restrictions
and it doesn't help that the Stack Overflow logo looks like Zembrfuglnend genitals to them
@tripleee Probably far less funny and far less complex than the restrictions in place for shipping between the U.S. of America and the Lao PDR.
My spidey senses are alerted...
@AdrianMole I would say NAA and vaguely promotional; it is related to the question, but doesn't really answer it
13:23
I'm just surprised that "encipherment" is actually a word.
with a generous interpretation of the question, I suppose the answer sort of says yes, it can be done, though probably not in the way the OP had hoped
I guess I can't find anything.
Is this answer specific enough without the link to be a valid answer?
There are just 4 remaining open [Amazon] questions, all of which need a single vote.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine If you're asking for upvotes on those questions, then that's not allowed! xD
@GeneralGrievance I don't think so
though I think the whole question is pretty broad
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Done
14:14
YAY!
That took a long time...
@GeneralGrievance I came across this answer to that question in LQA review ... I gave it "Looks OK" because: cheeky, it may be, but it is an answer (and actually not a bad one).
@IanCampbell Excellent, thanks :) All remaining questions in the tag are closed now.
@AdrianMole Editing may have been a better choice
@JeanneDark Possibly. That would have completed the review, at least, but I didn't really think it needed an edit. Sure, it's a rhetorical question - and they are generally frowned upon - but, heh, it's OK as is, IMO. (Also, a very similar answer posted at the same time.)
@AdrianMole Since you came across it in LQA, I guess it was unclear enough for someone to flag it. Then how can it "Look ok"? Editing to clarify that and how it answers was the correct choice and also shouldn't have taken much effort.
14:22
I don't work on the assumption that everybody who flags a post as NAA knows what they're doing. That answer looks fine, to me, so I chose the appropriate button in review.
@AdrianMole Your choice was wrong. And if the NAA flag had been appropriate, it should have been deleted, not edited like I suggest.
There are times - even in the LQA queue - where opinions on what to do are subjective. This appears to be one of them. The post has a complete answer; it uses an English language construct (the rhetorical question) in a (IMHO) perfectly acceptable way.
@AdrianMole Technically Community will go off to delete content regardless of how the user is removed (this includes self deletion). The only difference is for a destroyed user all of their content is removed while deletion only causes those posts which are negatively scored to be removed.
@HenryEcker So, what you're saying is that operator delete on a user doesn't necessarily invoke the destructor, but the Bot will butt in, regardless. ;)
@tripleee I know that wasn't a request to undelete the post, but I did so anyway. There were a few other useful things that got caught up in the account deletion so I just went ahead and fixed all of them. Relatedly, I also agree that including user removal in the the list of reasons for deletion in the help centre would be a useful addition.
@JamesRisner I don't think it's in place to protect the moderator so much as it's an indication that an automated process removed this post (in relation to the removal of a user account) and that it was not the explicit decision of a moderator to remove this specific content. As in this case, I don't think someone who actually looked through the content would have chosen to remove a question with two recent unscored answers.
14:39
@HenryEcker I guess the help center article was written with users in mind that haven't been nuked yet.
That definitely seems to be the case. "The Community user deleted my question! What gives?" definitely focuses towards explaining to the author more than how the system works in general.
New article proposed: The Community user deleted me! What gives?
Can 20k+ undelete community deleted posts?
@IanCampbell Yes. Things deleted by Community can be voted to undelete by a normal user. Still requires 3 votes. Here's a recent example of a post with 1 undelete vote that was deleted by Community.
@HenryEcker That was what I vaguely recalled, but Roomba will just come back if they meet criteria?
14:43
Can someone keep an eye on around 3:00 UTC+0 to make sure nothing else pops up and prevents the automated tag removal?
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Roomba don't care you think this question has value.
@IanCampbell Correct. If the conditions that caused it to be removed in the first place have not been resolved it will be removed again. But depending which roomba caught it you might have an extra 10, 30, or 365 days to fix the post.
@ZoestandswithUkraine What time is 3:00 UTC on Planet Zoolap?
@AdrianMole You should probably look at the live clock for the answer to that
Nice try!
14:52
Was worth a try :p
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@ZoestandswithUkraine That's right before bedtime, I'll check it at 2:30 UTC
I'll check it out in 6 - 8.
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15:52
Whoever is checking at 3 AM UTC, could you please check the as well, because it has been created two days ago and I can't get rid of it. Either retag to or just delete the tag from the question.
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16:25
@jmoerdyk seems there are lots of off-topic questions under this tag
16:41
@jps If it's continuing to be renamed, we should probably synonym ( ?) or blocklist it
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@Machavity in some cases people mean ms-access, but often it's used as the typical meta-tag when people describe problems about accessing something (their DB, website etc.). Two days ago it reappeared because an old post was rolled back to its original state. It doesn't appear too often, but once it is there, you'll always have a few occurances per day, which makes it hard to get rid of it again, though not as bad as
^ not sure if spam
17:36
@M-- Duplicate of ggplot x-axis as date with hours? I'm tempted to hammer.
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@IanCampbell yeah, makes sense
Based on the comments, I doubt they will be able to figure it out on their own though. Sigh.
This answer is a mess. I tried to clean it up, but it is still very ranty. Can something else be done here?
18:19
Screenshot of the day? i.sstatic.net/Meulu.jpg
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19:53
@M-- heh, nice example of the cv-pls request generator messing with your input
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@TylerH Wow! r is the shortcut for typo. I actually never used the shortcuts. Thanks for the ping.
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@E_net4 that's not an answer, it's a rant. Isn't the OP too broad by today's standards, by asking what, why and when?
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@TylerH It's got a preview of what the request will look like. :) For this, using either a capital "R", putting the r in code, italics, bold, or using a would all be viable alternatives.
 
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