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Q: Should we stop [sharing] the [share] tag?

cocomacThis is a discussion - not an invitation to go and burninate tags. Please refrain from burninating these tags for now We have a share tag. Here's the tag wiki for that tag: questions about sharing resources in (local, and social) networks It has 4,450 questions as of now*. It can refer to socia...

 
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2:57 AM
Were I and two others wrong in closing this question as not reproducible? OP very much disagrees, and It's currently at 2 reopen votes.
 
I wouldn't consider that a typo and it is certainly reproducible (at least while daylight savings time is in effect). Though I'm sure there's a duplicate somewhere that addresses this issue.
 
@HenryEcker The original question title was "Why doesn't java.time.Instant show correct time?", which was in my opinion (at least with the provided code) not reproducible. OP just had a misunderstanding about what was "correct". Anyway, it's been reopened.
@HenryEcker I can dupe close with stackoverflow.com/questions/5495803/…, but I don't want to fan the flames here...
 
3:29 AM
@RobbyCornelissen Sure, but even in the initial revision they clearly outline they expected 6 and got 5. The OP not knowing what's correct is the reason they ask questions. Fundamental misunderstandings about how things work is not a close reason. We previously did have a "lacks minimal understanding" close reason, but that has long since been removed.
@RobbyCornelissen I re-closed it as a duplicate of that and one other post.
 
 
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Oh, broken because the message I'm replying to was moved.
 
 
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8:21 AM
 
Is stackoverflow.com/q/61753740 a programming question?
 
8:59 AM
Is this spam?
 
There is disclosure, so technically no.
However, I can't really help but feel this is not much different to link-only. "Your answer is in another castle link research paper"
 
9:42 AM
@Makyen Sorry, I decided that this room didn't need to point a spotlight on a user who did something bad/dumb, so I just moved all of the discussion out because it is hard to pick and choose.
@Ruli Superficially, yes. It might be unclear, but that requires at least some degree of subject-matter knowledge to assess. (Of course, it's now moot, since the question was self-deleted.)
@cigien No. It's now been closed.
 
Was there ever a 'verdict' on whether edits that convert another user's code-as-image to proper code text should be approved? Which is what seems to have happened here.
 
@AdrianMole I think the consensus is Reject
 
Thanks. That's what I thought. But what to about cases where the edit has already been approved? Should we roll-back?
 
I see nothing wrong with users doing that, and I see no reason to reject edits that salvage a closable question, unless the user who did so actually introduced a transcription error. Obviously, there is no expectation that anyone make such edits, and there are reasons to discourage it, but I see no justification for rejecting correct edits.
 
Uh-oh ... popcorn time?
 
9:53 AM
@CodyGray The justification is outlined in the MSO thread
(rejecting is also a means to discourage it)
 
Discouraged means it's not advised. It doesn't mean we should penalize people for doing it!
That MSO thread is justification for why it's not our job to do and why it's risky because you can do it wrong. It doesn't explain why it's wrong to do a risky thing correctly. (Hint: because it isn't.)
 
@AdrianMole as a regular user I wouldn't bother with rolling back, unless the transcription clearly introduces bugs. The problem with that, and one of the reasons the consensus is to reject, is precisely that it puts a lot of undue burden on the reviewers, be it from within the queue or organically
 
Per usual, I dislike that this supposed "consensus" is overly focused on the duty/effort/obligations of the users who use this platform, rather than what is desirable for the platform.
It is that sort of repulsive arrogance that actually does make us look bad when people post on Reddit/YouTube about it.
 
@blackgreen Reviewers always have the option to skip
 
10:09 AM
I came across that post in the Reopen Review Queue. I skipped because, although the edit addressed the close reason, a reopen vote would look daft if/when that edit were rolled back.
 
Sigh.
 
Not sure whether it stays in the queue, now that the "Approve and reopen" vote was overridden.
 
"I came across a solution, but I decided to shoot myself and everyone else in the foot instead."
It's no longer in the reopen review queue; blackgreen kicked it out manually.
 
Yeah - just saw that when I went to check.
 
Also, I believe that contrary to this advice, that wasted the user's chance to submit the question for a reopen review after editing it.
Is it that each user has the option to do that, or is it only once per post?
 
10:14 AM
Not sure. There are still a number of issues with the new Edit review UI that I don't understand. Another is what about reviewers with 2k+ rep (as they would have to have) but less than 3k (for a real reopen vote).
 
Does it ever cast a reopen vote when you're reviewing a significant suggested edit?
 
I have vague memories of seeing the same post more than once in RO review, where it was sent each time by an OP edit.
 
If it does for users with reopen privileges, I assume it doesn't for users without them.
 
That's likely what happens. Otherwise, why would I see posts in the queue with zero current reopen votes?
 
@CodyGray users can edit and submit for review multiple times
 
10:18 AM
I see. That seems shockingly open for abuse.
 
Yes. I have pondered raising a mod flag on some posts I've seen in RO, where the OP has made a trivial edit and submitted it, then it was left closed, so they did a similar, trivial edit and sent it back for review. One case, it was left closed by the same 3 reviewers.
 
Yes, it has been brought up in Meta IIRC in the very post that announced the change to the edit-and-reopen workflow. As a somewhat regular reopen reviewer I think I've seen abusive submissions just once
 
I think I brought one such case for discussion in here. Quite a while ago, though.
 
Would there be a way (SEDE?) to search for posts a given user has reviewed more than once in RO?
 
10:34 AM
@AdrianMole Like, separate review tasks for the same post? Or multiple actions related to one review?
 
@VLAZ Separate reviews on the same post.
 
10:49 AM
a comma in the wrong place, gets you lots of downvotes
 
11:02 AM
Imagine what a semicolon could do!
@cocomac The issue I was highlighting there is voting to close the question for the specific reason that it is not about programming or software development. That's obviously incorrect, and it results in very bad guidance being given to the author of the question, as well as a ridiculous-looking banner appearing on top of the question for all future viewers. It makes our closure process look ridiculous when we close questions for such absurdly inapplicable reasons.
You could plausibly argue for that being closed as "too broad", since there are (probably) many possible ways to shorten it and there aren't enough details given in the question about what the desired targets are. But closing it as not being about programming is not a reasonable course of action.
I upvoted your answer to compensate for your downvote. Very sad behavior, esp. when it's not justified... I get it all the time (to my questions though) so I can feel you... — Faye D. yesterday
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11:23 AM
@VLAZ OP "clarified" but it actually turned it from a typo closure to unclear. Not sure what to do with the request - just leave it up or bin it and repost it?
 
 
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12:58 PM
Morning
 
Is this spam or an elaborate link-only answer written in a spammy tone?
 
those are variable-quality detections but the same user spammed for this domain before so, yes
 
"I tried using ChatGPT" Is this the new way of demonstrating research effort?
 
Sure, it has all the answers so if its not there then someone hasn't yet posted it to SO ;)
I did get a laugh this morning when I saw Google lost ~8% of its value when Bard had in incorrect response and was called out for it from Reuters.
 
(off-topic) I set up a bounty for a question about Selenium + Firefox but I'm not really competent to decide which answer to reward, any opinions? stackoverflow.com/questions/73230158/…
 
@NathanOliver I found that humorous as well. Also, it just goes to show how much emotion goes into the stock market.
 
That's pretty much all it is. Its a confidence rating and emotions play a lot into our judgment on that
 
2:38 PM
 
How should we flag ChatGPT-generated spam? Normal red-flag or custom mod-flag? This answer is AI-generated (99.98% fake on H/F) but also looks a lot like spam, to me.
 
If it's spam then a spam flag is correct.
 
Hmm. Not 100% sure it's spam; I'm more confident on the AI-generation, though.
 
Then flag it as "CGPT/maybe spam?"
 
I just did. :)
 
2:42 PM
I'm going to go with unintended spam just flag as a ChatGPT violation
 
It's definitely spam. The linked company is a shell for the OP's company in their profile.
 
then spam it be
 
@IanCampbell Their profile now has "404" writ-large all over it. ;)
 
The thing that gave it away was how similar the website designs were. Then I went digging.
 
Maybe you should suggest "spam digger" (or "spam miner"?) as one of the new "Roles"?
 
2:49 PM
The only minor issue with CGPT+spam is that it makes for tougher review audits. Personally I haven't decided if that's a good thing or not
I nuked that as R/A to not let it into the audit pool
 
Answers deleted for being AI-generated would make very poor audits, IMHO. But is there a way to stop the system selecting them?
 
Nuking as R/A
AFAIK
 
Most of us have a lot of professional skills. I wonder if we should also put, "spam sniffer" on our CVs.
 
some day there will be a way to manually exclude posts as audits that is just that action
maybe
 
One of the "Roles" suggested was a Review Audit Reviewer.
But not sure what would happen if a review audit selected by a review audit reviewer was used as an audit for that reviewer when they were reviewing.
 
2:53 PM
Do we need a Reviewer of Review Audit Reviewers then?
 
Clearly.
 
3:16 PM
@TylerH @Adriaan OP translated; if it still qualifies for closure for another reason, you may re-request
 
3:38 PM
Hmm. Maybe there's something about Python I really don't get, or maybe I've gone binary-bonkers ... but is there something I'm missing in the answers to this question? If those source arrays represent digits of binary numbers, then the order in which you add them really does matter. 0111001 + 0110111 should be 01110000 but the OP's code gives 00100011 (adding the final carry to the right-hand side).
 
@AdrianMole Yes, order matters. The accepted answer is just addition advice, I think. Weird. The other answer seems a little suspect to me.
 
I've asked for clarification on the question. If they can specify what decimal values the A and B arrays represent, then even I could post an answer.
 
@AdrianMole It really depends on how they are storing the binary number. Convention says the index 0 or 1 should be the LSB but if the OP is using it for the MSB then their logic is correct
 
But, either way, the order does matter, is not?
 
Yes, if you carry it the wrong way, then you get the wrong result.
 
3:50 PM
Of course. Because a carry from adding the two bit zero values will add into bit ... -1?
@NathanOliver OP's code works if they are using the array index zero as LSB.
 
hold on, rethinking
 
Dang binary. Computers should have always been built to use base 13.
 
Just to confirm, A = [0,1,1,1,0,0,1] creates an array where index 0 is 0, 1 is 1, 2 is 1, 3 is 1, 4 is 0, 5 is 0, 6 is 1, correct?
 
@NathanOliver This is what I am assuming. But my Python expertise is very limited.
 
@NathanOliver Yup. 0-indexed and in sequential order.
 
4:00 PM
Cool, If that is the case then it looks okay to me. The array is going from LSB to MSB in that case (left to right in the OPs terms) so the addition should follow that. It's just a bit of a disconnect that writing the initialization of the array is in reverse order from how you would write the binary number.
 
Python clearly needs a std::bitset.
 
@AdrianMole (I generally call that int :) )
 
bitset does the same thing though, index 0 of the bitset is the LSB, it just easier to use
 
@AdrianMole that straight up needs clarity. It's not even unambiguous what "right-to-left" means
which is to say: we don't know the intended bit-endianness of the lists
 
@KarlKnechtel Indeed.
@NathanOliver But std::bitset<4> b3{"0011"}; does what it looks like it does. The LSB will be 1, not zero. cppreference, see the examples
 
4:14 PM
@AdrianMole That's why I said "it just easier to use" ;)
 
C++ is such an easy language, after all. That's why it's so popular.
 
ROFLMFAO
 
@AdrianMole Meh, if C++ was hard, it'd have more questions asked about it. It's not even in top 3 or top 5. It's barely in top 10.
 
@VLAZ That's because a good chunk of developers were stuck in vim and couldn't get to their web browser ;)
 
xD
 
@AdrianMole C++? That's old school
real programmers moved on to D long ago
D++ is coming out any day now I'm sure
 
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6:05 PM
@miken32 re this request, someone created a meta post regarding this question closure
 
6:53 PM
 
the target has some awful answers too
 
7:10 PM
Is this NAA ? I think it is since the question shows proper code but the Answer only shows link without implementation with the code.
 
7:23 PM
@SunderamDubey by a strict definition, no. The mention of formsets gives the OP something to investigate further even if the link isn't there. It's certainly not a great answer and should probably be a comment though.
 
@SunderamDubey If the link were stripped it does still mention the tool to use, therefore while not being a good answer it's not NAA imo.
 
@cafce25 I think the need for signposts would be reduced if the dupe target was edited to ask a meaningful question instead of "I want to replace the inner match statement"
 
7:40 PM
Noted your suggestions.
 
 
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11:49 PM
@miken32 cc @cafce25 I took a crack at editing the target question's title; thoughts?
 

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