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12:05 AM
@TylerH: please delete this request. They have posted code and I have voted to re-open it, and it has been re-opened. Thank you.
 
 
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What to do about this WordPress answer to a Codeigniter question? It is super-out-of-place! stackoverflow.com/a/59277068/2943403
 
 
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4:24 AM
@SmokeDetector I don't need your fussy backchat @Smoke! I was just announcing to the room that it was spam. Geeeeeeez!
 
4:51 AM
@mickmackusa the bigger question is how so many people apparently found it helpful
 
5:42 AM
@KarlKnechtel yep
 
 
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7:41 AM
weird Smokey bug
 
8:05 AM
Smokey is really insistent on people looking at that report
 
@mickmackusa No
 
@JeanneDark the question asks for a regex in php. The "answer" doesn't offer one. It fully relies on the linked answer. It is basically a dupe close vote disguised as an answer. You do not receive any meaningful advice without visiting the link.
 
9:04 AM
How to handle these two {[1](https://stackoverflow.com/a/75363826/5779732), [2](https://stackoverflow.com/a/75363676/5779732)} new answers to two old questions?
1) Both are added by same user at close time; may be immediately after one another.
2) Both provide a link to same website outside SO. Not sure how author is related to that website. I do not see their name on website though.
3) The link contains the contents of mixed English + PORTUGUESE.
4) The answers are not really "Not An Answer", but they are not much helpful considering other answers available on respective thread.
 
@AmitJoshi re 2): the CEO and co-founder of the company with the website's name is named the same as that user.
 
9:22 AM
@jps *facepalm*
 
10:17 AM
At what point, when a user keeps posting the same question, again and again (3rd time, now), do we mod-flag? Exact same question: 1st closed as a dupe of another post; 2nd closed as dupe of 1st, 3rd closed as dupe of 2nd.
 
I would say on the first offense, but others apparently say not until the second (i.e., third) time.
 
OK. The 3rd has now been deleted. And the 2nd.
 
There's a template message we can send them about re-asking the same question. It's not that hard to do, and sending an official warning is actually useful because (A) it gives them a warning before they end up question-banned, (B) it hopefully gets them to stop doing it, and (C) in case it doesn't, it sets us up to suspend them.
 
Take a look, if you feel so inclined. As the later 2 were deleted by OP, I don't feel like raising a flag.
 
@AdrianMole I don't feel like taking a look, I'd rather not encourage users to avoid raising flags on flaggable offenses.
 
10:23 AM
Fine.
 
Well, if anything, that reflects the state of UTF-8 support in C++.
 
Anyone know anything about "Matter". This type of Matter. Looks like OP is trying to create a tag in the title, as there's no existing tag. Could that be edited into shape? (Seems like a clear question, but maybe needs a bit more info.)
 
10:42 AM
@AdrianMole never heard before, but uk.pcmag.com/smart-home/138900/…
 
@AdrianMole Makyen already answered this, I guess. It is definitely too much to ask to ask for moderators to read all of the comments on a post when handling a flag on it. It's not just about time (although that is a legitimate and important consideration). It's also about scope. Handling a flag on a post requires reading that post. It should not entail reading all the comments on that post. That's out of scope.
Reading the comments is equivalent to going and looking at the user's previous history. Mods are willing to do that if requested/advised to do so, but we're not going to do it every time we handle a standard flag. That's why a "rude/abusive" flag is not suitable for bringing a pattern of abusive behavior to our attention, nor is a "spam" flag suitable for someone who has posted 10 answers all recommending the same library (when a single one of those answers would be reasonable).
@AdrianMole It's all about what you're paying attention to. Reviewers aren't expected to pay attention to comments, either.
 
11:02 AM
@tripleee If they're inappropriate (i.e., contain inappropriate language), then you can and should flag the post, making it clear that the issue is the edit summary for revision N. Moderators can edit these. Of course, don't flag them simply because the edit summary is stupid/wrong/unhelpful. We aren't going to fix all the edit summaries on the site any more than we're going to edit all the posts.
 
my personal favorites are the ones which mention "grammer"
 
@tripleee I have the impression that some of those are deliberate, as a mild form of mocking.
 
hmm, my impression is that these are generally just bad spellers
 
11:19 AM
@cocomac That really shouldn't be migrated, as it's not off-topic for Stack Overflow. (I really don't understand voting to close it as "not about programming or software development".)
@tripleee @AdrianMole A better link is probably this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard)
Seems the correct tag is . Although that order should probably be changed around...
 
Thanks for finding the tag. There was a poor pun about does the order matter, but I'm not going to make it.
 
Everything is matter.
 
As opposed to glossier?
 
I'll have to check my dossier.
 
Here is a good answer but it got 15 upvotes in one day. What the heck? Does this happen naturally on SO???
 
11:31 AM
Why not? Regex questions are popular.
 
@mickmackusa HNQ
 
What is HNQ?
 
Hot Network Questions
 
Hot Network Question, as you can see in the question's revision history.
 
@CodyGray it's a rather niche question
Aaaaaah.
 
11:32 AM
On Stack Overflow, "niche" means "only a couple thousand people" :-)
 
@mickmackusa Seems you're voicing my internal monologue there.
 
Who's Frankley?
 
> Would you guys implement a whole project, using dynamic thourout and ditch generics altogether?
Please refer to my internal monologue for a comment on this
 
@CodyGray I don't know but maybe they're important
 
> the heritage of ancient languages like C++.
 
11:36 AM
It's a well-known fact that C++ was used by the Ancient Greeks. In fact, Pythagoras used it to check his theorem.
 
I've heard the Neanderthals died out because they only knew C++
 
@AdrianMole Greek Fire was first encountered after somebody ran an infinite loop.
 
Eek!
 
What?
 
Burnination Feed just dumped a whole bunch of irrelevant stuff in here...
 
11:39 AM
SOCVR got merged with MSO chat?
 
I noticed. My "What" should have probably been a "Why?"
 
Looks like the Feed-Bot is drunk.
 
^ One was a burnination feed, I think.
 
@VLAZ Oh, I see. That would have made way more sense. I could not figure out how you failed to notice.
 
11:40 AM
I'm not THAT blind.
 
... actually a tag-disambiguation. Does that count?
 
Or unobservant.
 
@AdrianMole None of them were tagged [burnination-request], which is what the feed is based on.
 
Burnination HQ has the feed also watch for tag-disambiguation
Jeanne finds just the best questions on SO.
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In Burnination HQ, there are multiple feeds active, covering a large variety of tags, which everyone can see here. Of course, the "Burnination-Feed" feed only feeds posts tagged [burninate-request], even in Burnination HQ.
 
11:43 AM
In theory, at least. :)
 
Well, the bot didn't freak out in that room... yet...
And the feed itself isn't actually showing erroneous posts, so I don't know what happened.
 
Bot achieved sapience. Now wants to burn even more things.
 
Probably a duplicate of "how do I create a for loop" and/or "what do the items in a for loop" mean, but meh.
 
12:09 PM
Does the fact that an answer crops up in LQA count as "recent activity" on a question - and thus make it eligible for a cv-pls?
 
@AdrianMole Depends on what put the answer into LQA. If it was recently posted, yes. If it was merely flagged by someone, no.
Of course, if a question is attracting low-quality answers, that could be enough to justify a cv-pls.
 
12:32 PM
@CodyGray Nah. Answer is also very old (and scores +16). I skipped the LQA review but think the Q is unclear, so I close-voted it. I guess it's not in the scope of SOCVR.
 
12:55 PM
Morning
 
 
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2:16 PM
Can someone under 10k confirm searching for your own deleted posts works for them? I want to say that was fixed but too busy to dig it out ATM
 
Doesn't seem to work for me
 
Is this and this NAA? Flagged two other from that thread.
 
It always seems to end up searching for "not deleted", regardless of the parameter
 
Hmm. ChatGPT is now into open-source GitHub repos. Is this (self) answer NAA? (I.e. link-only.)
 
I'll make it a comment. It's honest about the source so if someone wants to YOLO that... more power to 'em
Should we remove the tag? Discuss
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2:38 PM
Wouldn't that cause SO to fall over?
 
Bring to the force... not leave it in darkness!
 
Because darkness is the opposite of balance, nice one Obi-Wan
 
I was going to weigh in with a pun, but chose not to.
 
@TylerH What do you expect from a person who, when the entire empire is out to get him, chose the false identity "Ben Kenobi"
 
... on account of the scales in my eyes?
 
2:43 PM
@VLAZ To be fair he didn't really tell people his last name that much outside of the Skywalkers, and we don't know how common a name that is
But also I imagine in a galaxy with tens of thousands of inhabited planets, you probably don't have to be super worried about being too conspicuous to the ruling government
especially a world outside of their direct sphere of influence
 
In that, far, far away galaxy, "Kenobi" may be as common as "Smith" or "Jones".
 
Honestly I'm surprised "Smithson" is not more common
the only instance I think I've ever heard of is the family the Smithsonian Institute is named after
 
It also doesn't hurt that he can just jedi mind trick away most/all scrutinty.
 
The sudden flip from making jokes at the expense of Obi-Wan to defending his name...
 
Also yes, magic
 
2:47 PM
But, if your name were, say John Bloggs and you were on the "most wanted" list, changing your name to "Tom Bloggs" may actually be quite clever.
 
@Machavity where do you think the best place is to discuss an incremental adjustment to the burnination process FAQ would be
@AdrianMole Especially considering all the false positives who get caught up in e.g. the no-fly list
"Yes my name is Al Capone. No, I'm not that Al Capone. I'm a black man. What do you mean prove it?"
 
@TylerH The defence there might bring worse results...
 
Luckily enough, being stopped for being on the no-fly list is not, I think, one of the common occurrences of racial injustice we deal with in the US.
 
@TylerH Can try Meta I guess, but in here would be on topic as we are kinda the de-facto burnination room
 
@Machavity I think it's too small for Meta, tbh. Literally all I have in mind is adjusting the expedited burnination process from <50 questions to <100 questions
 
2:51 PM
@Machavity Other than the Burnation HQ chat?
 
Given the ever increasing size of the site and number of tags, that number is from 2016.
Hmm, they changed the markup of the review queue again
Oh, maybe it's just a more specific selector they switched to for some reason
 
Yeah, they apparently pushed today. Some mod scripts have their styling wonky now
 
Looks like they are adding indirect parent elements to certain element selectors
 
@TylerH I would do that on Meta. I'm not opposed, and I'm sure CMs wouldn't be opposed if community consensus is gained there
 
.s-post-summary--meta {} became .s-post-summary .s-post-summary--meta {}; and .s-post-summary is a grandparent of s-post-summary--meta
 
3:05 PM
FWIW, I thought Taryn had set the 50 threshold but apparently the 50 number came from rene
It's never been directly discussed
@JeanneDark Ah. Search doesn't work but this should
 
@Machavity Yeah, as I recall when we were originally discussing it in chat around that time, that number was just spitballed from thin air
 
@Machavity yes, that works
 
3:24 PM
@TylerH It's a very blurry threshold ... what else would you expect?
 
indeed
 
3:44 PM
looks like the tag is approx 33/33/33 general computing, Google UTM, and the topic the tag description says
time to rename it, perhaps?
 
4:36 PM
actually I guess it is just a typo and OP is not being very direct about explaining "I got a syntax error here"
 
 
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5:59 PM
@tripleee "We know that there are other meanings, but this tag is only for this specific meaning." stoopid tag wiki. I want it renamed.
 
Part of me just died after seeing the number of answers on this question. The bar for answering protected questions should be way higher than 10 rep.
 
wow, 6 pages of answers. Impressive
 
if only a mod could come along and wipe out most of those answers
 
@aynber sheesh, and I thought the python canonicals were egregious sometimes.
 
I didn't know there was a pizza party tag :)
 
7:05 PM
@miken32 One rep per existing answer. For every 15 answers, the requirement is +1 rep per existing answer. So, if there were 25 answers for 2 rep per answer = minimum is 50. If there are 50 answers, that's 150 minimum.
 
my god
> with arrow function:
 
@VLAZ Ideally, I think I'd like to see questions automatically get "super protected" after a certain number of answers (say 15-20) with a minimum rep to answer of 1000 for those questions. How many questions really need more than a dozen different answers?
 
@KevinB Well worth the 22 upvotes. And "Here's a more object-oriented approach:" the 1.6k it has.
@miken32 More than one page of answers is really too much.
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for this specific question, more than 1 answer is too much
 
I can see maybe 3: 1. Chop of capitalise first char, concatenate the rest 2. regex to sort of do the same. 3. can't really think of anything but maybe.
> In CSS:
I mean... not exactly what it asked for.
 
7:13 PM
> nobody asked
> How do I make the first letter of a string uppercase, but not change the case of any of the other letters?
 
Oh and if there is a JS question and an answer with "benchmarks" you can be absolutely certain that 1. it's completely garbage (the benchmarks are NEVER relevant) 2. It's highly upvoted because people think that 0.0001ms vs 0.00009ms really super matters for something they may call once a minute.
 
there are pages of answers that specifically ignore this
 
It's so demoralizing downvoting bad answers with 200 rep because you know you'll never make a difference. :(
 
just keep pushing that downvote count up
 
OMG, I didn't look at the benchmark results when I complained about them. I pulled some numbers that are actually not too far off? The slowest benchmark shows 1.9 million operations per second. So, the slowest approach still takes 0.000505 milliseconds.
 
7:18 PM
yeah but that's a massive difference
this answer was golden: "You can just write class="text-capitalize" in your HTML code. There isn't any need for JavaScript."
8 upvotes
 
@aynber sadly there isn't a good way to filter out deleted answers. All of page 6 and most of page 5 are deleted answers
not that 4.1 pages is fine, mind you...
 
Thanks answerer from 2020 on page 2 - I didn't know I could use CSS to capitalise a string. The three answers on page 1 that all said this weren't convincing enough. I needed a fourth one to show me it's actually possible.
 
@TylerH Oh, wow, didn't notice that
 
There are lots of answers that are worthy of deletion there, for what it's worth
 
7:33 PM
@VLAZ you must have missed the one on page one from an hour ago
 
134 non-deleted answers
so still 5 pages
 
@KevinB Probably just didn't look at the date...
Also, out of post votes.
 
I also like the 15 or so comments that try to answer the question as well
 
> Simple and it does what i wanted
 
@VLAZ Your numbers are a bit off when looking at orders of magnitude difference between approaches. The numbers you used show a 10% difference, whereas, in the numbers shown in the answer, there's about an order of magnitude difference.
While I agree that such performance numbers have little or no usefulness under most conditions, they can be indicative and helpful in some situations. Although, admittedly, the vast majority of time for the vast majority of readers, it's really not all that useful, unless there's a very significant difference in performance (as in multiple orders of magnitude).
 
7:40 PM
Femto, pico, nano seconds!
oh, not those orders?
 
My stance is that all JS benchmarks are wrong. A good number of them don't even measure things correctly. Pretty much all others are irrelevant. Something from 2015 would very likely have seen changes in what is faster the same year. Or even at literally the same moment, when measured with different environments. V8/Chrome and Firefox most prominently. But each browser update can also change which operations are more optimised.
 
they are wrong on principle
regardless of whether they are repeatable
they are solving the wrong problem
 
For me, it's never appropriate to answer with benchmarking other answers. Because the accuracy of these measurements can go out the window tomorrow. If they were ever accurate to begin with. And no, I don't think 0.000505ms runtime is worth benchmarking.
 
don't ask why x code is inefficient, ask why x code needs to be ran so often that it's inefficiency can be felt
in javascript, at least
 
^ Exactly. Perhaps the only legitimate use of benchmarks is on a question explicitly asking about such. Otherwise they are misleading information, if not outright lies.
Want to post vacuous content that serves no purpose and you don't want to use ChatGPT? Post some benchmark, kids!
 
7:47 PM
for best results make it a stack snippet so that anyone can run it and prove you wrong
 
8:21 PM
@miken32 you're so enthusiastic about being from Calgary I see :-P
 
@TylerH lol I'm not from Calgary, I'm just in Calgary
 
ahhhh
 
Can't afford to buy a house back on the west coast, and resisting the urge to move to the south of France or something
 
well that makes more sense :-P
 
@tink the top answer on the dupe target says to use the function that OP is currently using?
Oh I see it's addressed in comments; it's being used as a dupe target maybe another answer should be posted
 
8:51 PM
How to deal with SO question duplicating SG: stackoverflow.com/questions/19088870/… duplicates gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/313/…
Honestly amount of questions which simply needs to be deleted was disturbingly high for my usage of SO recent year
 
If the same essence of a question appears on another site years later, there's not really an issue with that, assuming it's on-topic on a given site
 
And answers, including my own. Wish there was auto reminder for all olds.
 
The only thing that isn't allowed is cross-posting the exact same question
 
It is serious issue of garbaging the internet
 
These are clearly different questions, even if they are essentially trying to solve the same problem
@halt9k You can post a request on MSE for cross-site duplication closure
but beyond that there isn't anything to be done as there isn't really an issue
 
8:58 PM
@TylerH how they are clearly different when they are same?
 
@miken32 fair comment ... I'll go hunting ;)
 
I took a quick look and didn't find anything obvious for a better target, but my Python experience is pretty limited
 
@halt9k One is asking for an algorithm recommendation (without putting forth any effort or code of their own) and the other is asking if there are errors in their own implementation of an algorithm that solves the same task
Those are... clearly different questions
Or at least, it should be clear that they are different. Even if the ultimate goal they both attempt to achieve is "detect sphere collision"
 
I wouldn't delete it. Different users, years apart, and it's not off-topic on SO
 
Aren't you just saying that because you're lazy mod and don't want to click a button?
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9:13 PM
Seems OP just copied their old question (including the deletion banner) for this can someone able to see deleted posts confirm?
 
@cafce25 Done. You can flag things like this for moderators in the future. It's much more likely to be handled than a chat message.
 
@cafce25 only mods can view other users deleted posts without having a direct link to the specific post
 
@HenryEcker All right will do.
 
Do the changes that they made make their question clear enough to reopen? stackoverflow.com/q/74721357 It seems much better than their initial revision.
 
@TylerH this is 10 years old questions nobody ever answered or even upvoted, they should be closed even if anything similar exists. I sometimes can find 10 questions on same Python subject nowadays which actually spread cumulative efforts and decrease quality of best answer under best formulated question of all of these 10.
Just to decrease struggling of Google to pick up result
 
9:25 PM
@halt9k Just because a question is old doesn't mean it should be closed
I'm not sure what your second sentence is saying nor can I tell how it's related to the topic at hand.
 
@rene Meta is scary when you delete people's stuff. Just sayin'...
 
@TylerH it's not just old, but there are two more duplicates on SO (in total 3), all voted below 3 and 1 more duplicate on SG: in total, that's 5 duplicates, 4 of which incomparably less useful than last one
 
@HenryEcker Not sure, I can't say I understand what exactly OP is struggling with :-/ Neither is their code particularly minimal or reproducible.
 
@halt9k Why do you keep using "SG" to refer to GameDev.SE?
 
@TylerH like Stack Games
 
9:36 PM
It doesn't go by that name
 
SG is the staging ground
 
(and never has)
Also, if you find that a question has a duplicate on SO that is older or has better answers, then... vote to close it as a duplicate. That's a different matter entirely from "this question is about the same end goal as another one on a different network site"
 
the place where low quality questions go to age out and get posted anyway
 
@TylerH you can't vote duplicate if question has no answers! So you can't vote to close them on SO
 
there's one case where you can, iirc
 
9:39 PM
Yeah, you can close a post as a dupe of another if it is the same OP on both posts even if it doesn't have answers
 
@halt9k So why would you want to close it as a duplicate of a question that has no answers?
I don't really see an actual problem here
 
to stick it in a bucket
 
It's about circles, not spheres which by my opinion in current situation must be redirected to that well done 30 voted GameDev question anyway. But I got that many people will object looking on usability.
 
A sphere is just a 3d circle
Regarding 'must be redirected to the GameDev question', as I mentioned before there is no way to do that, so you need to request the feature be added if you want it to happen
In the meantime, I did post a link to the GameDev question under the Stack Overflow question. In the future, you can just do that yourself if you run into that scenario.
Even if they were posted on the same site, they're not duplicates in the slightest
(again, as I mentioned earlier)
 
@TylerH I tried to post reasonable answer redirects, but surely they were immidiately closed. Just comment below question is much less noticeable than it should normally be in this situation. And google is still garbaged and peoiple still will lose time. And someone will try to copy answer from gamedev to SO.
 
9:50 PM
You don't mark questions as duplicates by posting an answer
 
@TylerH Sure, but in this specific case that's best available option.
 
No, it's not. See the link I just posted
It is never appropriate to post an answer saying 'this is a duplicate of another question'
that's not what answers are for
 
if you can't flag it as a duplicate of another question because the other question has no answers, the solution is to not.
 
@TylerH I saw what you did, and my opinion that clearly visible answer is much better.
Until such question is closed. But in general I think we understood each other.
 
an invalid answer isn't better than actually marking the question as a duplicate
 
9:53 PM
@halt9k Your opinion is wrong; this is a settled matter of site policy. Not only are answers for posts that address the question's problem/provide an answer, but your suggested solution isn't even visible anymore because a moderator deleted it
 
one action does nothing, the other creates a redirect
 
Looks like you pretend to argue... It's obvious that from practical point of view best available option is answer. From practical point of view your comment is barely noticeable. Site policy is again obviously imperfect in this case.
 
the comment... isn't the end goal
it's a step in the process
once the duplicate is confirmed the comment is removed and the question gets a large banner and an auto-redirect
if you post an answer, that auto-redirect doesn't work anymore.
 
end goal - minimal time between person googling question and he finds only best available answer under gamedev 30 votes Q
 
@halt9k I agree that site policy is imperfect, but being argumentative or in disbelief about it is not going to help you. I recommend that you don't keep posting "this is a duplicate of another question" as an answer, or the moderators might suspend your account for failure to adhere to site rules. If you think we're wrong, you may visit meta.stackoverflow.com and ask the community and moderators what they think. Otherwise, let's end this discussion here as it isn't going anywhere.
> Otherwise, let's end this discussion here as it isn't going anywhere.
 
10:26 PM
Why are there so many wrong express.js cors answers
i can't find a question with a correct one
(specific to preflights)
most answers incorrectly just use the base .use(cors()), or manually implement it without cors()
hey, i found one by one of our new mods
 
10:42 PM
@KevinB they aren't entirely useless after all! \o/ *hides*
:-P
 
it's just absurd how hard it is to find a correct cors answer, given how many there are
(and i have no votes so i cant pretend to do anything about it)
 
10:59 PM
 
@mickmackusa And of course it's not considered NAA because of the first sentence...
 
@miken32 but as I explained to Ms. Dark here, the preg_match() is irrelevant. The question seeks a regex. The answer is effectively a close vote because you have to read the other page to get the answer.
 
i mean
the question seeking X, can still warrant an answer of Y if using X is a bad idea or poor choice
 
Saying literally anything that looks like an attempt to answer makes it not NAA
Glad someone else downvoted since I used all mine up on the JS capitalisation answers earlier. Still got some delete votes to use up!
 
i don't delete useful answers
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11:12 PM
@KevinB I do if they: 1. are answering a different question or 2. are close votes disguised as an answer or 3. are not written in the language tagged in the question or 4. (probably some other reasons that I can't think of)
 
none of those are useful answers
 
@KevinB which ones are we talking about?
 
1 2 and 3
 
11:26 PM
@KevinB the highly upvoted "bad" answers that irk me are the ones from group #1. People upvote them as informative/educational/helpful despite the fact that they do not work for the asked question.
 
votes generally aren't an important part of my measure of usefulness on old questions with a lot of views
case in point, this received 8 upvotes and 0 downvotes: "Just add this classname to your div, that'll capitalize the first letter. No javascript needed!"
 
11:51 PM
I feel like we need a way to sort/categorize answers, like
standard approaches, approaches using/not using specific tools, approaches that are deliberately esoteric
(the latter can be important because, you know, frame challenge)
 
@KarlKnechtel jeepers, that does not sound like a trivial task.
 
what I'm imagining is built on entirely new architecture :/
although we could, theoretically, establish conventions to "tag" answers (like how they tag jurisdictions on answers on law.SE)
but I suppose the software doesn't have any particular support for that
 

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