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1:53 AM
Why do people want to bring acceptance statistics back?
 
2:05 AM
@Dharman perhaps because SO is so full of content, there are fewer ways to earn rep with unique questions and answers?
Pages with an accepted answer can be used as dupe targets even if the answer(s) have a negative score.
 
What's the point, I will delete them anyway
I can't believe my meta answer received downvotes... maybe deserved for quality, but not for disagreement
 
2:20 AM
I didn't see the MSO post, but meta is a great way to collect downvotes (without justifications).
 
 
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@AdrianMole It depends on exactly what your custom flag said. If that were flagged as NAA or anything generic, it'd be inevitably declined if a moderator happened to see it. Not because it can be handled by the community, but because nothing is obvious that needs to be handled (other than possibly editing).
Stuff like that should not be flagged as NAA with the intention of having the community delete it through the review queues. Why? Because stuff like that should not be deleted through the review queues. If your NAA would be declined by a moderator, you should not flag it as NAA.
@Dharman I don't see any food in either of those pictures...
 
It was a joke about dirty laptop
 
Probably not a good idea to assume that most dirt on a laptop is food. :-)
 
there's rice in my keyboard
 
Just hope a pilau fight doesn't break out.
 
12:19 PM
@CodyGray Is that what happens when on sleep() over?
 
@VLAZ Only when one of the invitees goes against the grain.
 
 
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3:31 PM
Can this question be closed as "Not about programming or software development"?
 
@SunderamDubey The question seems a little unclear, but it does seem to be about programming. (The OP appears to be confused about how to use their IDE, which is definitely something that only a programmer would do).
 
3:56 PM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine But that's not very necessary to change color.
Although you're right that they are not clear.
 
@SunderamDubey That's a downvote reason, though, not a close reason.
Is it worth undeleting this? The question is terrible, but the OP wasn't really given much of a chance to edit.
 
4:41 PM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine It could be edited before it is undeleted. As it stands: No, it is not worth undeleting.
 
 
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5:55 PM
@CodyGray RE here, if there is a comment under the flagged post that describes exactly why it should be removed, I'd think that both reviewers and moderators would see the comment when reviewing and be able to understand the context if they aren't robo-reviewing. If the reason why removal is necessary is obvious to anyone a bit of sense, why would such a NAA flag be declined?
(in contrast, a custom flag for anything that isn't blatantly obvious to everyone makes sense)
 
No, moderators don't read comments when handling flags.
Reviewers shouldn't be expected to read comments, either
That isn't blatantly obvious unless you read the comments, so it's not a case for a NAA flag. A custom flag is required.
 
@CertainPerformance Somewhat relevant chat message by Makyen.
 
I always click through to the normal view of a post (the same view everyone else sees) when handling flags. I never handle flags from the "inline" view on the flag dashboard that Makyen describes, expanded or otherwise. And yet, I still do not read comments because I'm not trying to moderate the comments. I'm trying to moderate the post. You know, the thing that was flagged.
A comment is not a suitable place to put context that is required to understand and/or correctly evaluate a NAA flag. The correct place to put that context is in the message associated with a custom flag.
 
6:21 PM
@CodyGray I'm not really disagreeing with you, here, but I would like to think that a moderator would take a wee bit of time to read any comments before declining an NAA flag. Or is that expecting too much?
 
@AdrianMole It makes no sense to flag a post as NAA when you need to read the comments to understand why it was flagged.
 
A more common (perhaps) situation is an NAA on a post that says, "abc works for me". Such could be an answer but it could also be a 'thanks' type of thing. Context is required to decide
 
@AdrianMole Sounds like a post the NAA flag is not for (and neither is the VLQ flag).
 
But, if that was preceded with, "Thanks," then it's a classic NAA
 
NAA, VLQ, R/A and Spam flag are all for the obvious cases when no additional context is necessary (and they don't offer a way to provide more context).
 
6:32 PM
Yeah. I know the hymn-sheet. I'm just saying that, while I appreciate that mods are busy and see thousands of flags, they also need to be not robots, and maybe even appreciate that reviewers have a big workload.
For instance, I've had an NAA declined because, although it was link-only, the question was "asking for links."
 
@AdrianMole Indeed, such answers should not be flagged as NAA/VLQ, instead the question should be closed.
 
So, context is up to the Mods, then? If Mods (rightly) require reviewers to pay attention, then why shouldn't reviewers be entitled to the same from Mods?
 
A question asking for links is the case when a link-only answer is obviously kind of appropriate.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, that is expecting too much. If that's the standard, then it needs to be done on every post for every flag of that type. That increases the average processing time of those flags substantially. If that's the standard that needs to be met for the NAA and VLQ flags, then we probably need to double the number of moderators, if not more.
@AdrianMole While I understand the frustration, and reviewer time does matter, this isn't a valid argument in this case, because you're comparing: A) flag as NAA and leave a comment vs B) flag as "in need of moderator intervention" with the comment-equivalent text in the flag. In this case, both (A) and (B) have the same level of work for the flagger. But, it's actually less work for reviewers to use a "in need of moderator intervention" flag, because the "in need of moderator intervention" flag isn't shown to reviewers in the various review queues and is only shown to moderators. Thus, no reviewers in the review queues expend any time on (B).
 
7:03 PM
@Makyen Meh. I'm playing advocatus diaboli here, really. While I get the rules, many users don't, judging by stuff I see in LQA
 
7:31 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar Is that a real thing? I can't find anything relevant with epistimis
 
First result on Google for it is... google.com/search?q=Epistimis ... the Meta question itself from a few minutes ago, and nothing else
 
I have a bunch of hits in Greek but nothing seems helpful.
Found it. It's a company.
The person it's registered under matches the username.
 
So spam?
 
I think it's somebody's attempt to move support off to SO.
 
Not inherently unacceptable, but there would need to be an on-topic question or few that'd deserve the tag first
 
7:43 PM
Fair enough, I closed the question and left a comment to that effect.
 
@HenryEcker I have no idea. Never heard of it.
 
 
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