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1:03 AM
@rene I've been away from Meta more than usual lately, have questions about this been coming up more or mostly just that one?
Wondering since I've had a practice of leaving explanatory comments for plagiarism and maybe something similar would be useful for ChatGPT
(and also to the extent that SO builds a system for that, maybe including "AI-generated" as a source would be useful)
 
1:25 AM
@RyanM This is really the first one like this. There have been other questions () about general process and such.
 
1:36 AM
@HenryEcker I thought there'd been a couple of others asking the same thing about other answers, but closer to when ChatGPT was first released.
 
@Makyen But only a couple.
 
Ah. You are correct. I missed (at least) one without the chatgpt tag.
In large part, it doesn't seem like it's confusing too many people or, at least, not enough to ask about in MSO.
 
@RyanM That sounds cool. Like the banner for closed questions?
 
We already technically have answer notices. They're just very uncommon on Stack Overflow since they require a moderator to add or remove one. Here's an example of one such post.
 
1:45 AM
 
@RyanM While some such indication might be useful to future viewers, and would potentially reduce confusion a bit, leaving an actual comment on every such post could be very noisy, particularly for users with a large number of posts that are deleted, given that there would be an inbox notice for each one. It would be quite easy for the inbox notice from the mod message, which is the actual important thing for that user, to get lost in the flood. In addition, it would be notable additional work for us. Without additional specialized scripting, I'd expect that it would increase processing time for me for each post by about 3x to 10x to also post a comment. Obviously, that could, largely disappear with additional scripting, but would add the time for whatever the rate limit is for comments.
 
@Makyen Yeah, I think if we were to do so it would likely point strongly in the direction of scripting, but also I think ideally this would be even better handled by the system, which could avoid such noisy notification-generating comments.
Which is to say: I agree that comments are a distinctly suboptimal way to do it.
 
@RyanM Yeah, good luck getting dev resources. sigh
 
@Makyen I was hoping to see if it could be combined with the plagiarism thing that they're planning on doing, on the basis that this is a sort of plagiarism and the required handling is quite similar.
 
@RyanM Sorry. My last comment may have come out sounding negative towards you, which wasn't intended at all.
 
1:51 AM
probably the same thing just with some different text
 
@RyanM Slightly different text is easy. It usually only takes 3 to 5 years. /s but...
 
 
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3:46 AM
@cocomac This is spam.
 
 
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5:20 AM
and they are looking to replace SO with chatgpt... maybe now have a chatgpt.SE?
 
5:38 AM
@CertainPerformance not really a typo?
 
6:20 AM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine impressive, because it also misunderstood and did not properly answer the question.
@CertainPerformance it's nice to see someone else agreeing with my interpretation of "typo"
 
KGG
6:46 AM
@SurajRao I tried it out a lot with Laravel, although its not bad (and it works), the coding style and approach is really outdated. I personally didn't like it, BUT, sadly chatGBT is honestly still better than most youtube videos out there. I'm actually facing this problem a lot in my monitored tags, people are following extremely outdated youtube videos, then they come on stack to ask whats wrong with their code, and i just cry on the inside :P
 
7:36 AM
could a mod edit stackoverflow.com/questions/48244519/… to inline the obnoxious image? I can't because the title is not allowed and I can't come up with a formulation which passes the filter
 
This one was migrated into SO, but is it even on-topic here?
 
This is an attempt at answering, isn't it? Maybe the formulation is somewhat unclear and imprecise, but it looks like containing a possible solution.
 
stackoverflow.com/q/73469044/4826457 is this no MRE? or no repro? (NATO) according to existing answer...
existing answer looks like NAA also.. unless we can have "It works" as an answer
 
@JeanneDark I think so. There is a pending edit that makes it look a tiny bit better.
 
@JeanneDark yeah looks like an attempt to answer, though it's very unclear what "made the language none" means - did they change a setting in the server?
but perpahs the mongodb users understand it better :)
 
8:45 AM
It's not doing well in LQA, though. 2 x "Delete" (but it only has one delete vote??), 1 x "Recommend deletion" and 1x "Looks OK".
 
Thanks! Looking at the question it may try to say something like "default_language": "none", instead of "default_language": "ara", but I guess people have to experiment a bit do they want to try the solution.
 
cleared the del votes. I don't they would've been cast if the edit went through earlier
 
Such power. Can you clear all the downvotes on my answers, too?
 
I can delete them. Does this count as "clearing all the downvotes"? :P
 
hehe
 
8:56 AM
huh, my chatgpt suspicion was correct apparently
I think my intuition is improving.
 
@KarlKnechtel It's the Grand Plan of the AIs. First, you are taught to recognize their work; later, they'll start getting you to like their work. :)
 
9:39 AM
@tripleee deleted 55 mins ago?
 
oh sorry, my browser seems to have been acting up
 
That "phone number" question posted by SD was one of those that are posted first as "reasonable-looking" questions, then edited a minute or so later into spam. cc. @SunderamDubey
It was a behaviour pattern common in the wave of DDoS attacks we had (are having) a little while back. I think the devs changed the "edit grace period" to address it.
 
KGG
@tripleee Off-topic question, is your logo supposed to be cut off like that intentionally? I like the concept hehe
I think a white thin curved triangle in the center would look interesting
 
10:04 AM
Understood, Adrian Mole.
 
10:52 AM
 
@snakecharmerb looks like it. Either for an answer, or to edit the link in later
 
11:14 AM
@KGG my avatar is clipped on purpose, yes
the bigger one on Github is clearer, it actually has a tiny curved triangle where the rotated letters meet
 
11:27 AM
this self answer makes the Q itself "No Repro" right?
 
@Adriaan Don't know - they accepted another user's answer, and mentioned using code from yet another answer :shruggie:
 
11:43 AM
@tripleee I rolled back the edit and spam-flagged it. See my comment and that from @SurajRao.
 
@AdrianMole makes sense, thanks
 
Also, note on MS that two "big hitters" gave that FP feedback. That's the trouble with folks editing spam.
 
one of many
 
12:02 PM
 
12:49 PM
Heh - I just accidentally pasted the text of a message (in Lao) from my missus into the ChatGPT detector. It gave a score of 97%+ fake ... is it time for me to start worrying? xD
 
@AdrianMole perhaps ... I think it should probably not produce high percentages for short snippets
 
Hmm. It was bound to happen, sooner or later: a ChatGPT answer to a question about ChatGPT. :(
 
1:16 PM
@jps that dupe question is also closeworthy IMO
 
The HuggingFace detector is either asleep or just having problems with this answer. Does it look dodgy? It has that 'overall AI feel', to me; also, it talks of C, where the question is about C++ ... and doesn't really get the point of the question.
 
@AdrianMole what problems?
I am getting this:
> According to Hugging Face, the chance that this post was generated by OpenAI is 99.91%
Also,

> But it still does not really apply to what the OP is asking: "transmit the data collected by the camera to another platform in real time through C++". You just implemented an echo server.

Says the poster has no clue what they are posting
 
@AdrianMole It has a very AI feel to it.
 
1:27 PM
OK, maybe it's my end. Every so often, the detector just gets stuck. But there are other concerns with that post ... we can continue in the AI Domination room.
 
@AdrianMole I deleted the question. Gets it gone at least
 
@Machavity Can you pop into the AI room?
 
2:01 PM
Should I rollback an edit that invalidated existing answers, or wait for the OP to do it? Someone else left a comment on the question a few minutes ago, telling the about the edit, so the OP might not have a chance to see it.
 
2:16 PM
@Adriaan What's the off-site resource being requested here? Looks like OP is asking "is there another way to do this in Java"
 
@TylerH moving this one as it was successfully closed after request, but then subsequently reopened
 
2:34 PM
@Cristik If you see it, roll it back. No need to wait for OP to do it.
You could also flag the comment as NLN
 
@TylerH you're correct, please bin the request. I made the observation by quickly skimming the question after noticing that most of the answers where a link-only library dump
 
Yeah, the answers unfortunately almost exclusively recommend products (there's one that recommends a 'way' in Java, it looks like)
Thanks for the reply
 
Should I (or anyone with more Java knowledge) flag those answers?
 
2:53 PM
@CodyGray you know, this edit sort of invalidated most of the answers on the second page... although given that most of them are just "I prefer this because I like it more" answers, I'm not sure that's really a loss
@Adriaan No, it's a valid answer on SO to suggest a tool/product if that tool/product solves OP's problem, it's just not OK to outright ask for tools/products
Although ideally any recommendation of a tool would go into a little bit of detail about how to use the tool to achieve the OP's goal
 
I'm scared to scroll though the answers. There is two pages. How many answers do we realistically need to basically say "yes, the two types of quotes are interchangeable".
 
@VLAZ Yeah, it's... not great
 
3:08 PM
I did scroll through. I now learned that I should use double quotes in JS to...protect from SQL injections on the server.
 
I already flagged like 40 comments for deletion asw ell
 
I've not even started looking at the comments.
> Some efficient algorithms use character arrays to process strings. Those algorithms (browser compiler, etc.) would see " (#34) first before ' (#39) therefore saving several CPU cycles depending on your data structure.
What?
 
I saw that. An unsourced claim, to say the least...
 
And yet again, I'm feeling restrained by the system. There are answers which are completely useless. Yet they have one upvote. So I cannot downvote and vote to delete.
Also, so many answers that say "I use <one type> because <something that's not JS>". I've seen few people so far say they use single quotes because that's what they use in PHP. Which is in no way a useful answer to the question. Few others said they used double quotes in Java or C# and thus they use them in JS. Which, again, is not at all relevant.
 
@VLAZ Technically, for an answer with one upvote, you can downvote it and then post a del-pls in here (it will be within one downvote of being delible). But I wouldn't do that too much.
 
3:19 PM
@AdrianMole Yeah. It might take me a couple of weeks of rationing del-pls to get rid of all bad answers.
 
@VLAZ Frustrating, yes, though if you see bad content, you should downvote it. The next person who comes along will then be in a better position to act on it (and you can always bookmark it to revisit it every few months or something
 
OK, won't be. Some are useless and have two upvotes.
Or rather, very few are useless and have only one upvote.
 
It's a pity our daily quota of up- and down-votes don't cancel each other out. That would be fun.
 
Well, I look forward to seeing your nomination next moderator election :-P Then you can delete bad content regardless of its state
@AdrianMole So... infinite post votes then?
 
@TylerH As long as you never get a nett absolute 'score' of over 40, yes.
Same could work for close and reopen votes.
 
3:24 PM
@AdrianMole That way lies abuse, methinks. I'd rather just have increased caps at certain rep thresholds
(for up/down. Would need to use some other metric for close/reopen)
 
@VLAZ Feeling restrained? System got you down? Need to delete something but lack the drive? You need a Hard Parallelogram!
 
I'd feel derivative if I run on the platform that I'd be deleting things.
 
@Machavity Do SO mod diamonds have a Mohs hardness of 9?
@VLAZ some of humanity's greatest works are derivative
 
@VLAZ Well, that's true. I wouldn't run on deleting all the things. I had to promise to only delete some of the things. Apparently people like some of the stuff on Stack Overflow. Who knew?
 
3:31 PM
I upvoted one answer so far. I like some of the things, too!
 
Wait, they're not interchangeable? Crap, BRB
 
> Daily post vote limit reached; vote again in 8 hours.
Great. I have 9 posts left to review.
 
i have whatever my current maximum is remaining
 
4:30 PM
@VLAZ I looked into it and delete some which were NAA. The question asked "What's the difference between single and double-quoted strings. The answers were : "You can also use backticks", "You have to press shift", "I use this because I use this elsewhere", "there could performance difference, but I could not find any evidence for it".
 
@Dharman Thank you so very much. I did notice just about a minute ago when I reached to vote on a post and it actually worked, since I wasn't out of votes any more.
 
@Dharman some background--a cv-pls was posted yesterday/earlier today and Cody binned it after editing the question from "Which one do you recommend I use" to "what's the difference between single and double" as it is now.
(in case you or anyone was curious why some of the answers appeared not to be answering the question as it is now)
 
yes, but that still doesn't justify some of the answers.
 
Dang mods, messing about with the efforts of the Good Folks of SOCVR.
Leave Us Vigilantes Alone!
:)
 
@Dharman oh for sure, just wanted to provide more context for anyone curious, as landing on that page is quite a time sink
Even now that it is greatly cleaned up, there are still some two dozen answers, poor readers...
 
4:53 PM
@TylerH Oh, so that is why none of the top answers actually answered the question, as asked...
 
6:10 PM
@RyanM I assume the diamonds covered your question. I don't check for chatgpt specific, just how often this room gets called out on meta, one way or the other. We're fine.
 
^ undisclosed affiliation, still up
 
@tripleee Also Very Many Capitals. Which might be the worse offence here.
 
6:35 PM
@LindaLawton-DaImTo Seems clearly about programming to me, but it is a duplicate so I dupe-hammered
 
7:23 PM
@tripleee That's not something which being a mod allows you to override. I've adjusted the title to be more verbose.
 
@Makyen thanks ... whoa, that's rather verbose indeed, but I guess it would have to be to satisfy the requirements
it's utterly weird to make cosmetic edits and not be able to save because the title checks have gotten more aggressive in the meantime
 
@NathanOliver if they need a closed set of specific components (which it sounds like to me), then I don't think it will attract opinionated answers and spam. My impression is that not many people are into making system-package-manager packages
 
i mean
the OP presented potential solutions and called them too complicated/hard,
and then presented the "complexity" they're expecting, being just a one line and done solution
so potential answerers are tasked with suggesting a tool that can one line install what they're wanting, or simply stating that's not a thing if no such tools exist yet
it is a tool request
 
I'm going to VTC as a tool request but I'm not going to post a cv-pls for it. We shall see what the queue decides.
 
8:22 PM
 
 
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9:57 PM
@tink surely there's a dupe for this one, right?
 
10:10 PM
@mickmackusa I'm not looking for an argument, here; also, I know effectively nothing about PHP. But, that Q looks like a compile-time error, so why does it need a "how is it called" code section? Also, I would also be perceiving posts with "de" in place of "the" in a negative light ... but such issues can be edited. Just sayin'.
^ that was more about Barmar's comment. Your comment seems to suggest a different reason for closure: duplicate or "typo".
@mickmackusa But, there ... no problem with your request for help. :)
 
@mickmackusa possibly ... didn't go hunting for one.
@mickmackusa so I just went to look for a dupe, and the potential candidates list/attempt solutions that border on criminally insane ...
 
@tink So upvote them. If you can't beat the system (and you can't) then join it!. Bleh.
 
10:30 PM
 
11:02 PM
@AdrianMole LOL
 
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