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12:31 AM
@tink this seems to be specific to the software-development package being installed, rather than a general question about the software-installation tool. Note, for example, that they mention that the instructions for installing a different version of the same tool work.
 
@mickmackusa How dare Stack Overflow try to help me ask better questions! They should just accept who I am and shower my poorly asked questions with upvotes.
 
honestly the questions he asks are better than most poorly received questions, notwithstanding the q-ban evasion
but I have a lot of issues with the video's critique, including a number of misunderstandings
 
@RyanM ... I don't know that ros-desktop is a development tool; but I wouldn't have thought that a GPG key mismatch of any tool makes it a programming issue ...
 
@tink that's not the issue, just an unrelated warning; the real issue is described in the second paragraph: "When I run sudo apt install ros-humble-desktop I get an error that reads E: Unable to locate package ros-humble-desktop. "
which is (I assume, based on the answer) because they're trying to install it on an OS version it's not distributed for, which is at least arguably specific to the thing being installed - especially as the solution would depend on what it is distributed for
(I'd agree that a generic GPG key error in sudo apt update is not specific to the tool being installed and would be off-topic if that were the main issue)
 
Oic ...
But choosing the wrong package to install for the current distro makes it suitable?
 
12:39 AM
IMHO yes (though it's admittedly not the most clear-cut situation). The solution being specific to the programming tool IMHO makes it on-topic
@NathanOliver the CVRG script strings the reason and the phrase "Answer to" together. Arguably it should separate them with punctuation of some sort (cc @Makyen)
if it confused an RO it's probably confused other people :-)
 
Ohh hey, I am in the video. "I would like to say Hi to my mom and dad."
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with a hat!
 
It's not gamification that is the cause of this. It's the constant inflow of not-so-good questions. We get tired from seeing the same questions over and over with plenty of quality issues. Gamification makes us want to edit it and improve it, but doing it for every single question is just not feasible.
The things that this guy complains about aren't really toxic. They are just emotionless comments.
And it's clear they don't know how the site works... the whole premise of the video is based on the common misconception that Stack Overflow is some kind of help desk.
They know how to ask a useful question but they didn't ask it because one wasn't available, but rather because that's what a learner would do.
 
^ agree
 
All these people commenting how people on Stack Overflow are toxic don't realize that they are these people. If you ask a question on SO, you are one of the collaborators.
It's like saying, people in my house are toxic.
"gotta get those points"... They complain about people reading and commenting on questions, but that's the only way to answer a question and get those points... So what should we do? Just don't interact with a question in any way?
 
1:00 AM
@Dharman were those your 15 seconds of fame? :)
 
"Your question is stupid"... that's only in the mind of the asker. Comments like these must be extremely rare. It's not like people are actually commenting this under question, but rather it's low self-esteem from askers.
Yes, I can now say I am a famous youtuber
 
:)
 
Mom, Dad! I was on Youtube
 
The thing is that people don't seem to care that not everything on the internet works like reddit or quora or what have you. "I want Stackoverflow to be like that subreddit I usually visit!! And if you don't accept that I'll whine like a petulant child!" sigh
 
Maybe not duplicates, but I think one of was inspiration for the other
 
1:18 AM
@Dharman the number of people who are sure that curators are getting "points" somehow for all their efforts is too dang high
 
This is what Stack Overflow would be without moderation youtube.com/watch?v=2qM5y4hMw9M
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lol
 
1:34 AM
@Dharman I feel like everything in that video was designed to give me, personally, a heart attack.
Well done to the creator. Also props for not having actually posted any of that to take the screenshots :-)
 
That is an awesome video.
 
Not really, I'm not in it.
 
@RyanM how do you know?
 
Needs more D̶r̶a̶g̶o̶n̶s̶ Dharman.
 
@Ethan moderators can search deleted posts - so at least, it wasn't posted with the text in the video
 
1:41 AM
forgot about that
 
Also you can't post two posts with the exact same title
 
I was thinking you tried to find their account and view their deleted posts
 
It's not technically totally impossible but you'd need to be able to delete one of the posts while you edited the other
 
if you did you would of just found the wrong Cody's account
 
yeah I wasn't gonna try that one. way more effort and very little chance of success :D
 
2:10 AM
@RyanM So about that... meta.stackoverflow.com/q/422105
 
leave it to the platform to make me wrong by being buggy I guess
 
I'm correct; it's the system that's wrong. xD
 
2:47 AM
@Dharman pure gold- thank you for sharing ;D
 
2:59 AM
@RyanM I mean, the supposed answers with those comment scores never existed either, so.
I noticed some editing errors, like the tag suggestion interface working improperly
there's also a sequence where someone supposedly "edits" the newbie's post full of grammatical etc. errors but there is no actual change
@VLAZ recently, I gave one of my standard comments to someone and received a comment reply echoing back part of my message with random caps, and linking to that video. (Yes, I did flag it R/A)
 
3:58 AM
could you help me explain why this question got closed?
 
Because command-line tools like ls aren't considered programming. It belongs on Super User, not here.
 
4:34 AM
@RyanM The choice at the time was to provide the preview so the user can see what the request is going to look like and allow the user to add any punctuation they want between the text they enter and the automatically generated text for the answer, or none, should they want none. With regards to automatically adding some punctuation, the question becomes are there any cases where the user might not want the punctuation? If so, it's more difficult to remove it than to not have it and add it by typing the character.
An alternative would be to use somewhat different formatting. For example;
> ... Should've been a comment Answer to: "How to delete mediawiki pages using Nuke and Pywikibot‭" - username‭ 2016-10-30 06:03:51Z
might be less confusing.
 
@Makyen hmm, I think that's probably a much better suggestion than my idea.
 
4:45 AM
That should be reasonably easy to do. At this point, I prefer to have the link include the "answer to: ", given that is what it's linking to, rather than the question.
 
@pppery got it, thanks
out of curiosity, what about those old questions that may belong to other site, will they be migrated to other site? could you help explain this?
like this one question
 
5:10 AM
@Hicomputer They can't easily be migrated because of their age and we don't have enough curators to deal with just the influx of new questions so usually they just stay where they are unless the community happens to highlight one and decide to do something about it.
 
I suspect that by bringing up that one example, it will be closed here.
 
(note that only CMs can migrate older questions; mods can't even do it)
 
... and generally don't except in in unusual cases.
 
5:27 AM
@NathanOliver first part has little to do with the question, second part makes it link-only answer.
 
6:04 AM
@GertArnold the exception message makes the question specific enough to receive relevant answers. Over time there might be multiple possible causes for that particular kind of error message, and allowing other users to add help with making it a even better KB page.
 
learned a lot again, thanks cafce25 pppery ryanM
 
 
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7:25 AM
@KarlKnechtel I believe there is either one troll who is using this or maybe even a whole movement. I've definitely seen it a few times and with the complaints here doesn't seem isolated.
Also, the video has been up for a while. But the particular comments seem to be a very recent phenomena. Like I saw them this week. Maybe extends back a week or two, let's say, but there seems to be a pattern of them.
 
 
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8:32 AM
can someone help me explain why this question is downvoted like 2 times now? It seems like homework question, so I add a comment there, is it ok?
 
 
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9:35 AM
@Hicomputer it's a typical "do my homework request" with no effort, this kind of questions tend to be negatively received
 
9:58 AM
@Cristik got it, thanks
 
10:44 AM
 
11:23 AM
@LindaLawton-DaImTo We generally don't link to users' profiles in this room. See FAQ #9. But, flagging one ChatGPT answer with a mention in the text that they have others is probably sufficient.
 
yeah I wasnt sure about that one. When it was five i was hoping to get more flags on it as its the same user.
I try not to bother you guys I have read the rules so many times I always end up stepping on some ones toes.
 
No problem. I'm not a Room Owner ... but you may soon receive a visit from one in a large, armoured car with blacked-out windows. ;-)
 
The guys with the 🔹normally like to message me now and then. Just to keep me on my toes.
 
11:57 AM
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/75267393/… I tried to remove block quotes from the code in question.. Is this valid code or there is some needless escape characters here?
does it need a rollback?
 
@SurajRao I've rolled-backed to your version and patched that version with the more recent edit made by the OP, without using their "code layout enhancement"
 
@rene right but if you look at the PHP code.. $section_3-\>number for example.. isn't there meaningless escape characters?
 
12:16 PM
@SurajRao right, fixed that as well. Now let's hope that is actually what their code looks like.
 
thanks :)
 
12:48 PM
 
This answer has a rather interesting history. Sent to LQA (flagged?) and reviewed (by a moderator) as "Looks OK". Then edited (by another moderator); and, now, it's back in the LQA review queue. Is there a third moderator handy that can see if "third time lucky" works? :)
I also think that flagging a post that has been edited by a moderator - if that's what happened, here - is, itself, a bit of a risky business.
 
Ssssshhh! You found our audit.
@Lundin The automatic edit bans are quite difficult to get and should not be relied upon. And, unfortunately, users aren't even notified when their edits are rejected. Thus, if you want the user to be notified and/or their editing privileges suspended, then you must raise a moderator flag.
 
@CodyGray Really? I thought a certain number/percentage of "Reject" votes on suggested edits did something like that. (I know there is no edit-ban for 2k users.)
 
@KarlKnechtel The system never destroys spam accounts. If a spammer's account is destroyed, that was done manually by a moderator. It must be manually done by a moderator each time.
@AdrianMole No. Moderators can suspend a user's ability to suggest edits for a certain period of time, but it doesn't happen automatically.
Also, as I think was noted, there's a strong possibility that such edits may get approved, in which case, a moderator needs to be notified so that they can both reverse the approval (if possible) and hand out suspensions to the reviewers.
@JeanneDark Some of the mods are still here...
@KarlKnechtel That a large fraction of Meta dates to 2014 has nothing to do with Jeff Atwood's departure, but rather with what I call The Great Meta Schism. Prior to 2014, that was a single Meta site that combined Meta Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Exchange. In other words, Stack Overflow's site-specific "child" meta site also served as the network-wide meta site for all Stack Exchange sites. In 2014, they were split out. Meta Stack Exchange retained everything from what used to be Meta Stack Overflow. Meta Stack Overflow was created from scratch.
There was a scattershot attempt to migrate old questions specifically about Stack Overflow from MSE to MSO, but lots of things got missed. So, virtually all questions on MSO will be from 2014 or later, since the site didn't exist before that, save for those few older questions that were migrated to it from what became MSE.
3 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null (inappropriate discussion binned)
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (continued from above)
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (request invalidated by subsequent edit; original requester agreed)
 
1:20 PM
@mickmackusa Just FYI, you can actually get real strike-through formatting by preceding and appending "---" to a string of text. You don't need to abuse the Unicode characters like that.
 
1:37 PM
@CodyGray Unless something has changed since this was implemented there are automatic edit bans for too many rejected edits. The help center also mentions the automated edit ban. "Additionally, any user who submits many rejected edits will be banned from suggesting further edits for 7 days."
I do agree that a moderator is necessary if approvals need overridden, but I can't find any evidence to support "there are no automatic edit bans" and if that is the case it seems that would be a bug not the system working as expected.
 
Hmm. I found no confirmation of that on MSO.
 
@CodyGray There's the tag on MSO. The most recent question being this one: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/415988.
 
2:02 PM
@SurajRao A NAA flag is sufficient for these clear-cut cases. It is not necessary to consume the resources of SOCVR.
 
alright
 
The 20k+ del-pls is mostly for things that don't fit the criteria for NAA but need to be reviewed by people with subject-matter expertise.
It's not a rule violation or anything. Just a suggestion of how to best allocate limited resources. Thanks for understanding.
 
 
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3:23 PM
@CodyGray ! Good tip. Much simpler. I'll try not to forget it.
 
3:52 PM
@CertainPerformance will we want this page to be deleted in a few days?
 
@mickmackusa Perhaps, the only answer looks to be very nearly link-only... can't see it being all that worthwhile
 
 
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6:56 PM
@KGG My usual closure reason for this sort of thing is Needs Debugging Details. (Hundreds of lines of code don't count as "detail", btw. we are looking for a MRE, complete error message corresponding to the MRE, some attempt at analysis)
 
KGG
@KarlKnechtel Thank you very much, noted on that :)
 
@KGG You can't use markdown and fixed font together. I made an edit so it fits in a normal chat message (and will be picked up by the archiver script)
 
KGG
@HenryEcker oooh I was wondering why it didnt work, thank you :)
 
Ah actually, it appears you've posted an answer to that question which makes you involved and therefore not permitted to request a reopen-pls here. I've binned the request for that reason. Having said that, you are of course welcome to follow the normal reopen process for that question.
 
KGG
@HenryEcker Thank you, I understand & I apologize for violating the FAQ, and respect the discissions, I just felt like it was actually a good question under the framework tags that others might benefit from in the future :)
 
7:06 PM
No worries. Again, you're welcome to pursue reopening the question using the normal reopen process.
 
 
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