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01:39
Anybody know why this was deleted as spam? stackoverflow.com/posts/74800059/revisions It doesn't looks like spam to me.
can you send a screenshot for us people that arent 10kers
@StephenOstermiller the . at the end is a link. What is that link pointing to?
@Ethan Yup, that is the spam
@Ethan Aha! That's it - its a link to a clothing shop.
01:44
I guess I really did fail an audit in the VLQ queue. LOL
Its the small things that could get a post. Eitehr today we got a few spam posts hidden in the raw as in image in Charcoal. Those are harder to spot
 
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03:40
Just checking, really, but this is NAA, right? Or could it be construed as some sort of "partial answer"?
03:53
@AdrianMole I don't see any attempt at answering in the answer itself. It's a "me too" post. Their comment indicating it's a known bug, would be, if it were posted as an answer.
Yeah ... I guess they're one of the many who think SO is a discussion forum. :(
04:39
@StephenOstermiller Man, that'd be a great audit! Too bad we mods can't control the audit candidates...
@AdrianMole It's an orange.
04:49
@CodyGray More of a pink grapefruit, now. :)
05:24
stackoverflow.com/a/75001244/4826457 is this editable or just r/a ?
Appears to be editable...
Looks like the Cyrillic text is just a translation of the existing English text.
@JasonLiam this is at -1 (was 0) and thus is not eligible for del-pls
generally please wait two days after closing something, also to give the OP a chance to fix any problems with the post
feel free to post links to recently closed posts into the broomba chat room where I pick them up after they have matured
(also feel free to pick up any posts which are mature for del-pls and posting the request here; I have a bit of a backlog after being away for a couple of weeks)
I try to keep the number of del-pls posts down in order to not flood the room; I have been able to pick up the backlog successively in the past, but if more people start using the room, it would be nice to get some assistance
 
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^ personally I suspect that one to be spam but at the very least off-topic
 
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08:26
Is there a point to the tag? (I mean, other than to get round the fact that a question can't actually be untagged.) Only 2 questions, so it would be a quick burn; but should it also be blacklisted?
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@AdrianMole is created automatcally when the original tag gets deleted by roomba.
Ah. Tricky, then.
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sometimes people use only one new tag for a question, and when nobody else ever uses the tag, the tag gets deleted, leaving the question untagged.
But how would the original tag get deleted if the question that then gets the untagged tag isn't deleted?
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I guess a process figures out after a certain time that a tag with just one question isn't useful and then replaces the tag on the question with untagged (in case it was the only tag)
08:32
Ah - those pesky AIs, again causing problems on the site.
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@AdrianMole 10 yrs later: Ah, these pesky humans, again causing problems on the site.
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09:37
@AdrianMole some sites on the Stack Exchange network also have some sort of policy around this; I saw a spam post get edited to remove all the incorrect tags and adding but the ensuing discussion seemed to indicate that the policy was not really being followed much in practice
09:55
@AdrianMole I'm not sure but a question could also receive the tag if it was migrated from a different stack where it had tags with no equivalent on SO.
10:23
That's a new one for me. I just found an "answer" that proposes an edit to another answer. I didn't have a canned comment for the situation.
10:44
@AdrianMole also some questions when migrated may end up in
11:31
Is this R/A? (I'm 80% convinced but need a modicum of 'support' before flagging...) It's at least NAA.
@AdrianMole I'd say NAA/LQ, based on the assumption that they are trying to ask a (different) question? Not sure it meets the standard for R/A
I think they just typed their name (Murkh Mulgi - 11 characters). Not sure why @Vega edited it out, though. I'm guessing that they're just playing around with the site, which is 'abuse'.
Ah could be
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@AdrianMole yes, I agree
... and got a flag declined for it :(
@jps Hmm. Seems unfair: my NAA was marked helpful (it was mod-deleted).
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11:44
I flagged R/A as there seems to be a consensus that posting garbage is considered abusive, but maybe the mod misunderstood the text and considered it a poor attempt in answering. Only the moderator knows.
12:01
@jps You could rant ask about it on Meta. I'll bring torches and pitchforks.
@jps Maybe they just saw the edited version and thought the user deserved the penalty (and that it can't have been so bad if it was edited).
Maybe they thought (as I sort of did, at first) that it was a misguided attempt at an answer, suggesting that 11 characters wasn't enough for what the asker wanted to do. But, if so, why did the mod delete it? Confused? ... You will be ...
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@AdrianMole thanks for your support Adrian and Jeanne Dark, I chalk it up as a misunderstanding, no big deal.
I'm actually quite pleased that I raised it in here; otherwise, I would also have a declined R/A flag (which would be only my second).
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and Vega, who edited the answer, probably also had the same misunderstanding
12:08
If somebody here is a regular in a room where Martijn hangs out, then maybe a polite 'ping'? It would save having to go to Meta ...
Like I said originally, I was 80% on the way to a R/A flag, for posting what is, essentially, gibberish.
For "<p>Murkh mulgi. Body must be at least 30 characters; you entered 11.</p>" an R/A flag seems okay and should be marked helpful, unless you somehow think it was actually an attempt at answering in which case it shouldn't have been deleted...
@JeanneDark As the popularly declared, "Queen of Mean", would you care to raise the issue on Meta? :-)
... although, maybe you prefer the synonymous version of the title: "Meta Queen"?
I didn't know I'm so popular and even got so nice a title. I'd rather leave it to you flaggers.
@AdrianMole When was the coronation? I missed it
It was deleted by a grumpy moderator.
... Oh, sorry, that was the party for Martijn's Million.
12:17
@AdrianMole Million declined flags? ;)
12:33
As we're in "dodgy R/A flags" mode, then what about this. Seems like sarcasm, to me. It's NAA, for sure, but is it being generically rude to the SO Community?
12:51
@AdrianMole: to me that post looked like an accidental copy-paste.
It's not otherwise a rubbish post.
Ah, it appears I missed that someone edited it.
Originally there were the words Murkh mulgi. in the post; mulgi is the username. Could have gone either way at that point
@MartijnPieters Yeah - I was guessing that the edit was part of the confusion.
@Vega: why did you edit that post? Now Adrian is upset with the flag being declined.
('upset' with a wink)
@MartijnPieters I'm not upset, just a bit confused. My (NAA) flag was marked "helpful" ;)
Ah, sorry, more confusion, it was someone else that flagged it as R/A.
12:57
I saw a bunch of VLQ and NAA and a R/A on the post. I declined the R/A and then deleted. Without the edit it could have gone either way with the R/A. The edit was not helpful in that it didn't make any sense to polish up a turd and it changed the nature of the post somewhat.
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@MartijnPieters it was my R/A flag that got declined, and I think the edit on the post contributed to the confusion. But the editor maybe also misundersttod or misinterpreted the post. Anyway, just some misunderstanding, no hard feelings.
13:16
@AdrianMole I considered that without these words, the post was still an answer
Isn't what it is usually is done?
@Vega how is an error message about the user entering too little text on Stack Overflow an attempt to answer?
@jps ^^
@Vega I can understand your confusion. As I said somewhere earlier in this conversation, I (at first) thought it was a poor attempt at an answer. But it's actually copy-pasted text that the system displays when you try to enter a very short answer.
Some answers can be short
but you edited out the wrong part then, if that was somehow actually an answer
13:18
The fact that Martijn was also confused just adds to the overall sense of confusion.
ok, I see
2023: The Year of Confusion?
Rusty skills :/
I hear those are in high demand (-:
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Now for something completely different: Is this gem a question for SO or for English Language SE (writing a 19th century style letter?) ;-)
13:43
@JasonLiam IMHO, deleting "Nth" dupes is OK (as in this recent request) but not when there is one or more decent answers to the question (as in an earlier request you made). The mantra is, or should be, "We don't delete great content."
14:31
@Vega I've cleaned up the question and all the answers and flagged most of the comments there. I think it qualifies now for reopening--good find
@KevinB probably the limit on login session cookies was hit? When was the last time you logged in... a year ago?
@TylerH Great, thank you !
@TylerH Hmm - Not saying either you or @Vega are wrong but ... messing with, "The Glasses" ... dunno.
@TylerH @JasonLiam This question had no recent activity before your edit, so is not eligible for cv-pls by you.
@TylerH Why it matters if the cv-pls is made by me or someone else as long as it applies(as there are dupes).
See our FAQ (socvr.org/faq) for a list of all the restrictions we place on requests here.
14:46
@TylerH Point 19 says: "Moderate the post, not the user. Keep the discussion on the merits of the post, not on behavior of the user." So I think the cv-pls that I made should be perfectly valid. People should see the validity of the request based on its content and not based on who is making the request.
@JasonLiam SOCVR serves to focus specifically on new (or particularly bad) content, at least in terms of closure; we don't have the manpower to handle all bad content on the site, by a long shot. So our closure rules require 'recent' activity. If we were to allow cv-pls requestors to edit posts to make them eligible, we'd be hard-pressed not to allow users to make any other kinds of changes to posts to make them eligible for other request types, like delete-pls, etc.
@JasonLiam The point is, this room is limited in what its users can do. If a question has been around for X years without activity, and you cast a close vote, then why does "completion" of that action need expediting. The normal, CV queue is fine for such posts.
^ Ninja'd by the RO. ;)
If you think we should revisit the rule of not allowing users to post cv-pls for content they've edited to make it recently active, or that we should allow requests for content older than 6 months re: recent activity, you can post a suggested topic here: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/room-meeting-topics/issues
I think such a request is destined to failure; it would be (potentially) a huge abuse vector.
If the question is indeed a duplicate, there's a good chance the question will be closed by the review queue; it doesn't need to be closed now by us, circumventing the review queue... it wasn't in peoples' faces at the top of the questions list. In the meantime, we aren't going to allow a change in policy on a whim, whether that particular question is deserving of closure or not.
14:56
Furthermore, if the only edit action a gold badger made was to add their hammer-tag, then asking for 'support' in here is paramount to asking us to circumvent site rules.
15:07
Yes, one thing I didn't go into in my initial reply above but could have was that many of the changes that one could request to make a post eligible for some request type here are out-and-out prohibited by the site, itself. One can't ask for downvotes or upvotes on posts, for example.
@TylerH last year
@KevinB so long ago
Surprised I didn't see any "I haven't _ since last year" jokes this week
i haven't voted since last year
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16:58
@Vega It's not on-topic: "We don’t allow questions seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more. You can edit the question so it can be answered with facts and citations." This should be enough for keeping it close, but as an extra, reopening a Q that Cody closed doesn't feel right.
17:13
@M-- Personally, I think Tyler has rescued the question. See When is a resource request on-topic?, particularly the answer from a friendly hardhat wearing moderator.
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^ OP created a new tag
17:26
Smells like spam seed, but maybe not?
17:41
@StephenOstermiller Not sure that meets the recent activity requirement
Maybe you mistook Dec 24, 2012 for 2022?
@IanCampbell It was just bumped by community
Ah, my mistake. Thanks for clarifying.
@IanCampbell Edit suggested to the answer 6 hours ago.
I even handled the edit in the review queue which put the question into my active questions list based on my tags.
Yep, totally my mistake, I should have checked the answer timeline to see the suggested edit.
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18:59
@AdrianMole End of the story: Makyen undeleted the post and then it got deleted as R/A and the user account got nuked as well.
gah, did they fiddle with the font settings on the Close Question dialog? The close reason titles are somehow escaping my font override user stylesheet
@jmoerdyk Looks the same to me?
@jmoerdyk it's quite possible they made a change to the markup or the classes assigned to them
they make tiny little changes like that all the time
19:59
Maybe a browser glitch, closing and restarting fixed it
 
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21:22
@NotTheDr01ds I'm not going to VTC that but I really don't think it is a programming problem. The "problem" was found by a programmer but the meat of the Q is "windows terminal converts tabs to spaces when copying" which is a SU question.
@NathanOliver I'm tending to agree with this
unacceptable
21:45
@NathanOliver - Sorry - last request is invalid. Can you please remove it.
@DavidBuck done
Thanks!
@NathanOliver Right - I originally VTC'd the first version of it, since it was general-computing. At least the edit opens the door for a programmatic workaround, though, which I provided. It's still "iffy", I agree.
22:50
@jps The undeletion was an automatic side-effect of disputing the red flag(s) on the post. Disputing red flags automatically undeletes and unlocks the post, even if that's not a reasonable thing to do (e.g. an answer on a deleted question). My evaluation of the post and the user was that they were not here with the intent of participating productively.
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23:07
@Makyen ah, thanks for the information. they were not here with the intent of participating productively. - that would be a nice sentence for the flag dialog, in cases when R/A seems too hard. ;-)

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