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4:21 AM
@JasonLiam Please include a language tag with your cv-pls requests.
 
 
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7:16 AM
Can someone show me in the SO's help pages where it says that it is better to answer a duplicate question if it is faster than finding a duplicate? stackoverflow.com/questions/74739239/…
 
@mickmackusa While the user shouldn't have answered, they unfortunately have a point.
 
When did [php] [arrays] in search switch from an "AND" relationship to an "OR" relationship?
 
But it's a vicious cycle - dupes can't easily be found, thus more duplicates are created, thus it's even harder to find a correct duplicate in the future.
@mickmackusa There is a bug. If you search for [x] [y] it initially gives you [x] AND [y] but then it provides updates for [y] only.
Which need not even include [x].
Is that what you're seeing? Or is there a new bug behaviour in search?
 
@VLAZ that's it. it shows results correctly on page load, but the async update shows non-php activity -- which makes me poke my nose into questions outside of my wheelhouse.
 
You can search for [x] and [y] then it will provide correct updates
 
8:18 AM
@JasonLiam Please see the FAQ
 
 
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10:05 AM
> i can't comment and that is why i need to write it as an answer
 
"need"
 
10:56 AM
 
 
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12:03 PM
 
It looks like an answer
 
12:34 PM
I think the last SD report should be flagged as spam, instead of NAA. I can't see how that post is legit.
 
No reason to suspect it was meant as spam. Deleted as NAA
 
the linked website matches the username, and the user is soliciting clicks to check for a unspecified typo, I have a really hard time thinking that was made in good faith
however...
 
The website doesn't even load. Why would they do that?
 
I didn't click through :)
 
I think it's pretty obvious that they have no idea how to debug a website and they thought random people on the internet will know why it doesn't open
 
12:38 PM
@Dharman there's a second answer on that post with exactly the same problem
 
I think I deleted it now.
TBH I am not sure the question is on-topic here
 
hm, not on topic
 
was passing on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74743223/. and saw the comment about similar post.
Many post seams to have the same click bait approche ( "is C.net 4 outdated") and praize for a youtube channel.
Does this need a custome flag, for moderator?
 
1:04 PM
Morning
@DragandDrop Not sure. It doesn't look like spam to me. That said I don't see a mod flag getting declined if you let them know about it and let them know why your are suspicious.
 
1:19 PM
, follow p link so you can see the canevas question : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74698324/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74673815/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74697355/
 
@DragandDrop I guess I didn't dig far enough. I would mod flag. You could just mod flag one post and include links to all of the other posts (well as many as you can as you only get so many characters)
 
1:33 PM
I didnt either ..
Damned the rabit hole is even deeper. 2 things goings in parallel, community promotion (awsome, brilliant, wonderfull, best man) from whats seems to be legitimate user (judging by reputation).
And multiple referencement campain, from unrelated answer to link to video on an other subjet in answers.
 
We do have several mods that like to chase rabbits ;)
 
5 questions in the past month
and all opinion based
no, 4/5 opinion based
 
1:57 PM
@DragandDrop Thanks for reminding me about that. I don't think all mentions of kuvenkat are spam, but there's been a spate of users asking some gist of that same Q. There's a nest of socks doing it, so if you see one, please flag it
 
2:15 PM
, not all question/answers but the community is well train.
9k user can in the middle of an interaction turn into a salesman.
One you see the pitch it get obvious.
 
@DragandDrop I am familiar with the YouTube channel referenced here. I don't think there's anything nefarious going on, but the channel has thousands of videos, I think... one of them could have just mentioned it being outdated, or a recent comment under one could have. The videos are popular because they're fairly well-focused 'how-to' instructions for atomic tasks in C# and ASP.NET
Of the videos I have watched (probably 30 or 40), I have never noticed the author even reference Stack Overflow, let alone encourage people to go there or ask questions about his stuff.
 
2:42 PM
@KevinB @VLAZ meanwhile I'm over here still declaring things with var
 
2:54 PM
 
🚽
 
^^ trolling? The user has other "good" content
 
Well thats great. But this question is certainly a troll. Would you take it at face value that they don't know how to google?
Ohwait. Are you being sarcastic. Theres a woosh if so
 
@code11 I'm just concerned someone else might be using their account as that is a major deviation from their previous behavior. That said, flagged as R/A
 
4:17 PM
@NathanOliver They didn't. User is gone now
 
well that takes care of that problem
 
@NathanOliver It's a bit easier when you can see junk like this
 
that it does
 
 
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7:03 PM
 
oh boy
Beginning: awesome. Ending: How to piss off a community in 2 easy steps
 
I think this was made by Stats.SE mods as a joke
 
I would hope so!
 
7:51 PM
lol :D perfect
 
@Machavity nothing else that happens in my day today can top this
 
@Machavity Funny, www.stats.stackexchange.com does not exist
 
@Machavity Wha--- is that the entire post?
 
It was in the mod team, but given the URL, it probably came from elsewhere
 
8:47 PM
Can someone with Firefox go to this page and see if the tag tooltip for is broken for them? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/angular-material It and some similar tags seem to not show a tooltip on hover anymore (but it shows in Chrome)... and other tags show tooltips in Firefox just fine still
 
@TylerH Yes, no tooltip for me (FF 102.5.0esr).
 
@snakecharmerb thanks
Seems like it's any "angular-*" tag
 
9:08 PM
(the first one of these isn't a migration candidate because it's arguably "technical support for modded Minecraft"; I would probably close it as such there, and it's not clear whether the community there would agree with me or not)
 
10:00 PM
@Dharman ...but the poster even starts the answer by saying "it's not direct answer". Would a mod flag be declined on this non-resolving answer? If it demonstrated the whole resolving technique and demonstrated the pitfall, then it would be okay. But it doesn't.
 
@mickmackusa If you'd say that the answer is a comment to another answer and does not attempt to answer the question then it would be marked helpful. But don't use NAA for this. NAA would be declined
 
10:13 PM
@snakecharmerb are you on Windows?
 
No, Debian 11.5.
 
@snakecharmerb Thanks
@Dharman I dunno... is "don't use octane-88 fuel in a car that calls for octane-92 fuel" an answer to the question "how do I determine whether to buy an ICE or BEV car"?
The answer under discussion here seems to be saying not to use a specific method to merge two arrays. The question is how to insert a value into an existing array at an arbitrary position
 
@TylerH Which is why I deleted it.
 
"it does not attempt to answer the question" seems to apply
 
To know that it's not an answer you would have to actually open the question and read it. You can't expect that of mods when handling NAA flags
It has to be obvious without needing to open the post.
 
10:22 PM
I do expect it actually; the NAA flag description does not say "make sure it's obvious that the text is clearly NAA without any kind of context or additional".
It sounds like there's a shift here away from "NAA means not an answer to the question" back toward "NAA means not an answer to any question"
which is a shift that has been confusing in the past
 
@TylerH "answer question" -> "any question"?
 
@pppery Do you mean gamedev.SE? Arqade is about playing games, not programming them.
@RyanM yes, thanks
 
hmm
hasn't it always been not an answer to any question
at least, for the past 8ish years
 
@KevinB Well, no, the text on the modal says "the question"
 
@pppery but also, seems like this is about programming?
 
10:24 PM
i mean, in practice
 
I think at one point, yes, in practice mods or staff said to act like it was 'any' question
 
in practice the UI often gives terrible advice
 
i can't recall what the modal has said in the past, but the way naa has been handled has always been the latter
 
But then a year or three ago, at least one (I think multiple) mods were kind of incredulous that I was telling people about that interpretation, and that of course they would delete NAA-flagged answers that don't answer the question asked.
So I was like "great, finally the practice is being re-aligned with what the UI says"
 
@TylerH That's surprising, I'm not aware of that practice. We generally encourage custom flags for "this is an answer to a completely different question."
 
10:26 PM
but if mods are now handling NAA flags without ever looking at the question associated with the flagged post, it sounds like it's back to 'any' question, because unfortunately they don't seem to tend to opt for the full context.
 
(it would be nice if they would change the UI)
 
@RyanM OK, maybe you could request in the TL or the mod team that they update that UI blurb
it is probably a super easy change to make. A text change in like maybe two or three places, I'm guessing
"this post does not appear to be an answer" or something more broad
 
I can't find it (Machavity posted it, IIRC), but we've been asking for changes to the flag text on the question flag modal for a while and haven't gotten those either.
I suspect they'd object to an SO-specific change to the UI text, given that other network sites with less flag volume do interpret it the way the UI says.
 
Apparently the current mojo is to ask about it in the staging ground room. That's where all the devs are anyway :-P
 
yeah but those sites get way less traffic
it should defer to SO
 
10:31 PM
Oh wait here it is.
 
"this post does not appear to be an answer" wouldn't be such a big change that it couldn't also apply to stuff it already applies to today
It's just that what it currently says today absolutely does not match how it's being handled in these cases on SO
 
IMHO it would be a lot better if people would quit using it for "this is an incorrect answer to the question"
 
@RyanM Well sure, I agree with that :-)
 
was this a bad time to interrupt the conversation
 
@RedzMakesErrors not at all
 
10:33 PM
the problem is that it's hard, when you just have an NAA flag, to determine whether they're trying to point out that it's incorrect or that it's an answer to a different question
 
@RyanM So, let us pick from a couple labels (optionally) when we flag as NAA, then?
 
That would be nice, I totally agree. I'd require the label, honestly.
"link-only", "answers a different question", "not in English", "me too", "asks a new question" etc.
 
strange that there isn't a flag for questions which are not in english
 
The MSE post is at least marked , so hopefully enough prodding of devs would at least get a response on when they plan to tackle it (if ever)
 
@RedzMakesErrors funny you should say that...we're working on that one :-)
that one should be fixed soon-ish
 
10:35 PM
@RedzMakesErrors It does make sense given that it probably wasn't as big an issue back in 2008-2010, etc.
 
Expect a Meta.SO post about that asking for feedback Soon (TM)
 
Should we post answers in foreign languages?
 
@RedzMakesErrors Elaborating a bit: even when we're being chatty, requests are always welcome. It's one of the main purposes of the room, after all :-)
 
@RyanM ah yes understood thanks
 
10:41 PM
@TylerH No, I mean Arqade. It has ~3000 questions tagged [minecraft-commands] and another 100 tagged [minecraft-data-packs].
@RyanM The tag wiki for says "Note: Minecraft questions are generally OFF-TOPIC on Stack Overflow unless they relate to creating mods/plugins or otherwise developing for the game". Using commands as the developers intended is not IMO "developing for the game"
 
i mean
developing those commands would be
 
("Mods" and "Plugins" in Minecraft are specific terms of art than don't include commands)
I also don't see how this case is different from gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/397641/… which was migrated from Stack Overflow
 
Hmmm, I maybe shouldn't have migrated that...
At any rate, this one clearly seems to be a script, which seems to fall under "developing for the game"
 
it's certainly possible for it to be on topic in both, but it being on topic there doesn't mean it can't exist here
 
@pppery These aren't minecraft commands though
It's programming a minecraft plugin, not using one
 
10:47 PM
What? How are they not Minecraft commands?
 
Minecraft commands are commands you execute from within the game, AKA cheats or in-game configuration commands like /set weather clear or /teleport player1 player2
 
(or, at least, programming something for Minecraft, if not a plugin)
 
they are commands, in the same sense typing into a terminal are commands, yea?
and this datapack is logic that executes these commands in a certain way
 
These are not in-game commands; they're commands run as part of a programming running in a .jar or something similar either alongside a game client or on the server
 
unless people are habitually typing if statements into the game console, which seems unlikely even if it works
 
10:50 PM
i would leave it here, it's clearly a form of development, or programming, that rises above other off-topic things like excel formulas
now, command block usage...
 
Data packs are basically mods for Minecraft. You can ask about installing them or using them on Arqade but not developing them, which is what this Q is about. I am binning this request as it's clearly about programming.
 
that's not exactly the same thing as a datapack
command blocks just do a thing when they receive a signal
 
For the record, "You can ask about installing them or using them on Arqade but not developing them" is clearly not true. Nearly every question in gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/minecraft-data-packs is about developing data packs
 
does that make it off topic here?
 
Perhaps not, but that misstatement about Arqade's rules still deserved correction.
 
10:53 PM
@KevinB command blocks are in-game entities that let you apply effects or also use the in-game console commands via an entity rather than via the console.
 
i did oversimplify it
 
a lot of them seem to be, like, JSON configuration rather than programming. But I'm not at all familiar with Minecraft so take my opinion on that with a grain of salt.
 
@pppery While many of those are not about developing them, you're right in that apparently data pack configuration is at least partially allowed there, it seems
 
It sounds like Tyler knows more than me about it.
 
or at least, mods have not cracked down on that kind of question
(we do have thousands of tags on SO that aren't on-topic, too :-))
 
10:54 PM
which ones?
 
[aws-ec2]
 
@RyanM The JSON configuration ones would indeed be adjustments made outside of the game
@RedzMakesErrors I don't have one in mind off the top of my head but you can just search for [burnination-request] on Meta and see a whole host of them, for starters
 
(I'm also not especially familiar with Arqade's rules)
 
Smaller sites tend to do better about rule enforcement that Stack Overflow does, although I can certainly attest to having found off-topic rats nests on Arqade before.
(and I'm one of the most active close voters there)
 
Looks like datapacks are exclusively server-side, which makes sense
I've left a comment on the original question linked here pointing them to gaming.SE since the topic is allowed there. I did find a Meta discussion, but it only had one answer (and only a score of 7) so its hard to call it a meta consensus
 
11:00 PM
Anyway, will definitely take note of this for future requests.
 
it's easy, it's just words
 
I've always tended to define topicality more narrowly than consensus, on all 3 sites I'm active on.
 
11:23 PM
@RyanM Yeah. Soon(TM). I got distracted with SG things =/
Somehow it always seems like there's never enough time.
 
@HenryEcker This is one of the great problems of life.
 
life is a problem in itself
 

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