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3:34 AM
@RedzMakesErrors Hello and welcome. I see that you're new here. Please take some time to look through the FAQ to understand the room rules. The section I'd like to draw your attention to specifically is How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?
 
Ok, thanks!
 
5:17 AM
Judging by the answers that it attracted, is this question "good" for Stack Overflow? stackoverflow.com/q/38801/2943403
 
@mickmackusa FWIW SmokeDetector already has some phone number detection logic, though it won't fire e.g. on posts from high-rep users, and is somewhat prone to false positives from dates, IP addresses, etc
 
5:39 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/74725913/4826457 is this NAA (word salad)?
I cant make sense of it...
 
@SurajRao That looks like some yummy word salad to me.
Are we allowed to ask which AI service pumped it out?
Add some spam and you have a rather square meal!
 
@SurajRao Would it count as abuse of system? it has "microsoft word", and "lambda calculus" in it. It's just higher-quality gibberish, isn't it?
 
@SurajRao It's all one sentence...
 
@VLAZ I thought so too.. They added one full stop in the middle. Probably to take a breather
 
OK, must admit, I tried to read it but my eyes were glazing over. I must have missed it.
 
6:19 AM
Apparently there exists a machine translated SO in Chinese, including the same questions original, translated. Works with any question ID. I presume SO is aware of this?
I encountered it, because I asked a responsive OP why they thought SO allowed English as well, turned out, they searched for Stack Overflow on Chinese Google and thought they had ended up there (probably having automated browser translation)
 
huh they removed the authors completely I see
 
@Adriaan Oh, there is plenty of these. In Chinese specifically, I've found several. And whether or not SE is aware is irrelevant. They don't care. Essentially, they threw their hands up and don't do anything with the reports. They changed the policy to more or less only report these if they are proxies or serve malware or are otherwise actually harmful.
 
@VLAZ yea, I know of that one, thanks
I was more flabbergasted that this was apparently the reason the OP ended up asking in Chinese here. That might well be the same for PT/ES/RU users living through a machine translated browser and not knowing they can enter a URL by hand, rather than asking Google/Yandex
 
@Adriaan There was a somewhat famous case of some guy's blog ranked first in Google when searching for "facebook" just because he posted an article that talked about it. It led to a lot of people landing on the site, thinking it was facebook, "logging in" (the blog had Fb comments) and complaining about the new design of Facebook. Apparently many people just type in the name of the website in the search bar (which gives you web search) instead of the full URL or using a bookmark.
 
@VLAZ yup, that's what I presume here as well, coupled to a machine translated browser, which makes any SO locale look like your native one
 
7:03 AM
@Adriaan Wow, latest smokey is probably just the same thing as that.
I somehow read the entire thing (which isn't long) and completely missed "my article". I suppose that's disclosure, so not spam, in that case?
 
@VLAZ my thoughts exactly. My thought usually go as: unrelated link -> spam. Related link, first occurrence: comment + possible VLQ flag. 2. occurrence, no affiliation: spam, 2. with affiliation, more persistent comment. 3. occurrence: spam either way
SO being DDoSed again?
 
7:46 AM
Is this on-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/67289834/11107541 Tags are about machine-learning. I have no domain knowledge here.
 
@starball looks like a typical ML-theory question
Desertnaut used to have a nice canned comment for those, but they are no longer pingable here
 
@Adriaan hm I guess I'll go read through some of the top question in those tags to learn what kinds of questions are on-topic with those tags. thanks!
 
@starball for machine learning: basically you need code or a question "how to", although the latter is often give me four years and a couple of PhD students. Anything related to parameter choices, threshold fiddling, terminology explanation etc is off-topic
Questions like the one you just linked, asking about some general pointers on methods/threshold settings etc, and "Here's my code, the results aren't good enough" are usually off-topic. The latter requires people to just fiddle around with all the rejection/acceptance ratios, which isn't programming
 
ok. I understand partly (50%?). some parts of what you're saying I don't get simply because I know so little (basically nothing) about the technical parts of the subject (writing this, I'm not even sure if there is anything other than the technical parts to the subject :P). sorry for my limitation on that other 50%. Someday I'll probably learn more and understand. thanks for explaining!
 
 
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9:15 AM
@Juraj is there an electronic solution - sounds o/t to me, more suitable for ardunio se
 
jps
9:26 AM
is this one of the chatGPT answers? The first and last sentences seem to have the typical pattern.
seems like it is, mod deleted it an suspended the user.
 
@sideshowbarker may I ask why you deleted this answer? I'm not disputing it, looks like borderline trolling, but I know that this user doesn't troll in the typical sense. Maybe it got a couple R/A flags?
 
@blackgreen looking now
hmm well, looking at it now, I think I actually meant to close that question
so I will undelete the answer and do that
and yeah there was a flag
 
I closed it, but the close reason is incorrect
because the two previous CVoters selected "Typo"
IMHO it should be closed as lacking details
as per the comments
 
yeah, agreed
fixed it
thanks for catching that
 
np, my morning routine includes coffee, changing diapers to little humans, and checking latest Go questions
 
9:37 AM
hahaha
seriously, sounds pretty much just like my morning routine
@blackgreen …substituting Go questions with w3c.github.io/stackoverflow
 
at some point it should also include doing work for my employer but .... ssssshhhhh
 
in my case, part of my “work for my employer” includes trying to figure out what W3C/web-platform features are causing the most frustration for web devs
and the simple answer is, “lots of them”
I keep trying to convince others I work with about what we would gain if we had a few more people spending team looking at Stack Overflow Q&As daily, but… it’s hard to sell
 
10:30 AM
@jps it is unclear what sort of problem OP has so on SO I assume programming problem
 
10:57 AM
 
jps
@Juraj on SO I assume programming problem - that's a very optimistic approach, considering the amount of o/t stuff posted here every day.
 
11:30 AM
Is referring to us members of the SO Community as "duffers" unfriendly or unkind? comment
... nm, poster has moved on to "idiot", so I flagged that one as U/U.
 
I think it's "If my query returns multiple items, how do I use the whole result set". But also has a thrown in "this code doesn't work".
 
So... I just heard of the ChatGPT stuff. Since I do not have an OpenAI account, and I am not willing to provide my phone number... what are indicators of a ChatGPT answer?
 
we would probably like to avoid discussing that publicly
there is a separate room which is invlitation-only
 
@tripleee would you do me the honors then?
 
Dec 4 at 19:21, by Makyen
AI Domination a private room to discuss the inappropriate automatically-generated content. If you want to participate, feel free to request access by clicking on the link and then the "request access" button.
 
12:41 PM
TYVM
 
I was only recently admitted myself ... or rather, I literally just now reloaded the tab and saw that I was in the room
 
You've done all I asked for 😀
 
12:55 PM
Morning
 
2:30 PM
hmm, I've got a Q showing in the C++ tag but clicking on it takes me to the staging ground.
 
I believe that is status-bydesign, if you're signed up for the beta (assuming it's started).
 
@IanCampbell I didn't sign up
 
Well in that case... did you save a link? I can notify them in the chatroom.
 
I refreshed and it went away. I think they might have a bug in the load new question button as it showed up after doing that. Here is where it took me: stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/74731790
 
2:43 PM
I let them know.
 
Did it again after loading new questions: stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/74732010
Thanks. Should I write up a meta for their bug tracker?
 
I asked them and also told them they could just talk to you here. =P
 
@NathanOliver Hey Nathan, what page are you sitting on where you're getting these updates? I have a hunch but want to confirm.
 
@TylerMcEntee I am here and then if new questions show up I click on the load new questions. Its been after doing that when I've gotten a Q that shows up that links to the staging ground
 
2:50 PM
@NathanOliver Awesome. That's what I suspected. We'll take a look to address that. Our real-time question feed update is probably not excluding Staging Ground posts.
 
Kind of what I though. Thanks for looking into it
 
@mickmackusa Correct, you don't use the hash symbols literally, those were standins for numbers. Regex format would be [0-9]. If you want to get serious about writing it, you probably would want to start with just the phone number formats for the one or two countries whose phone formats you see the most. Probably US and India I would guess. Which is ###.###.#### or ###-###-#### for the US... so we'll start with that one.
You'd do SELECT a,b,c FROM x WHERE n LIKE %[0-9][0-9][0-9].[0-9][0-9][0-9].[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]% OR n LIKE %[0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]% where a,b,c are the fields you want returned, x is the table, and n is the field that contains the text you want to search.
I'd be safer to select TOP (10) or something first just to test or add a where clause and filter by date, like where creationdate >= 2022-12-01 or something
 
3:16 PM
@NathanOliver a fix is in the pipeline as we speak. Thanks for reporting!
 
Woot. Thanks again
 
 
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4:37 PM
 
5:02 PM
@NathanOliver KyleMit indicated the bug is allegedly fixed. If you keep seeing it...
 
^that answer there smells like chatGPT.. or am I just spooked?
 
@SurajRao It is. Flagging.
16 answers in one hours.
 
5:18 PM
"Your code should look like this" -exact same code.
 
@IanCampbell I'll give you a ping if I do but haven't seen any since
 
Sounds good.
 
@VLAZ oh no, now I have a pluralisation bug :O
 
5:48 PM
 
 
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7:19 PM
Does anyone have a link to a question with a pending custom close reason on it? I need to see the UI for a question with an existing custom close reason (but the question has not yet been closed), but searching for that is... a bit difficult.
 
@TylerH Awesome. Thanks!
 
8:13 PM
Has anyone noticed that questions are stale when you navigate back, e.g. after hammering it
 
@Dharman Yeah, after a question is closed or even just reviewed, you can go back and see it prompting you for a review
I hit like 4 in a row that were mod-closed that I just had to skip through
 
This seems to have broken only today
 
Oh wait, we're in SOCVR
too many chatrooms to keep straight. Thought you were talking about Staging Grounds
 
Any objects to merging and into ?
 
8:30 PM
@Dharman Looks like a good merge to me
 
Does anyone know what is for? It lacks tag wiki
 
@Dharman I assume this was the original question to use it: stackoverflow.com/questions/609943/…
I don't think it needs its own tag, at least not for the original ASP.NET feature
just one of the asp.net webapi tags is enough probably
 
ok, thanks. This looks too much for me to burninate now
 
8:50 PM
I did put in an excerpt stub, at least
 
I will merge the two tags I mentioned above, but it looks like they need some cleanup first. Does anyone want to help me out? stackoverflow.com/… needs to be retagged to prepared-statement
I don't even know how to salvage a question like this How to implement querystring inside the sql insert query in asp.net
 
This answer stackoverflow.com/a/73176917/2943403 is misleading, right? Do you agree that this page is better off deleted?
 
@mickmackusa Agreed. The answer sounds coherent but it really isn't. It's like it's generated by ChatGPT but way before it was released.
 
@mickmackusa I don't understand how is this the fastest approach
 
If you take a value, hash it, store it in an associative array as a key...that's just a roundabout way of storing the value as a key.
Also, SHA isn't the best thing for hashmaps, either.
 
I'm pretty confident that the answer's contributions are legit (their answers are just typically suboptimal).
 
9:32 PM
I mean, it has the right idea. Well, two. Just fails to combine them together. Indexing items is the fastest. And there is hashing involved in indexing them.
 
The SHA part is completely unnecessary IMHO
 
@Dharman Yes.
 
9:49 PM
@mickmackusa I think the most misleading part in all of these answers is that they are not using string checking. Strict comparison is magnitutes faster.
 
@Dharman key checking beats value every time though. the cost comes with the processing effort to prepare the array as a lookup map. (unless I am incorrect) I didn't know that strict comparisons are "magnitudes faster" -- I thought that was a microoptimisation at best.
 
No, you are absolutely right. I double checked
It's a microoptimization that relies on preparing the array once and then executing isset multiple times.
99.99% of the time in_array in strict mode is more than enough.
 
Yeah, the bottleneck (in that one question) was likely to be elsewhere -- in_array() is probably not the problem; iterated calls of in_array() might be.
Are you not interested in voting to delete on stackoverflow.com/q/73176343/2943403 ?
 
10:32 PM
 
10:43 PM
Am I being too crabby in my assessment of this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/74725010/2943403
 
11:07 PM
meh
people post "es6" answers in javascript all the time
Oooo now you can use let/const! Way better!
Oh hey, that function could be an arrow function! look how many less characters it took!
 
I find it more annoying people keep asking ES6 questions which...aren't ES6 questions. "How can I sort this array. But with ES6" or "How do I transform this array. But in ES6."
 
Oh hey, you can also solve this with reduce
<reproduces .map with .reduce>
 
11:45 PM
@miken32 Why is it important to delete that signpost? That's the critical decision point after finding a dupe (or closing it). Does it have 25K views because of an attractive title? Is the page not useful BECAUSE there is no mcve? Is the signpost causing harm to researchers? Is it an exact duplicate question with answers that are all offered on the dupe target and does not represent a valuable signpost?
 
@mickmackusa I was gonna say the same thing, it looks reasonable to me. If it's an nth-dupe, that's a problem, but this one has 1/4 the views of the canonical
 
It seemed not so useful to me since the most upvoted answer doesn't address the problem in the question at all.
 
@miken32 that's fair. I'll need to study the page a bit more before I cast a delvote. I'd like to request that you provide your rationale with your del-pls when the page othewise looks valuable on the surface.
 
Almost all of the answers aren't actually trying to answer the OP; they just look at the title and dump some code in showing how to rename a column.
 

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