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2:11 AM
@CertainPerformance i tend to agree, but i think reopening it is probably futile
 
@KevinB In all seriousness, I feel that indirect snark is somewhat OK here, but snark directed at a poster on their question is definitely not good
 
 
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3:47 AM
Could a 2k-er rollback the vandalism on this post? stackoverflow.com/q/74614389/16886597
 
5:26 AM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine by quick glance, seems like all the questions are about different packages or concepts
 
 
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9:57 AM
Is this answer OK? As per the comment, it seems to do the exact same as the older answer: fix a typo
 
Hello, I already asked this in the meta room but I believe this room might be more appropriate.
I have closed [this question](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74625434/get-top-3-max-values), in the meantime a gold-badge owner posted and now wants to reopen on the ground that the duplicates are not exactly the same as their answer (I find the reason not sufficient as it's a minor and unrelated change). Do you think that I closed improperly? Is the reason to reopen valid?
 
@mozway Although this question is fine (I think) in here, you may get more expert advice in the python chat-room.
 
@mozway I'd not reopen one. It's a very common question and a question asking to find the top 3 isn't (conceptually) any different from finding the top 5 or top n.
 
@Adriaan thanks for the input, the justification here is regarding the slicing [df.columns[33]] that uses a number (In my opinion irrelevant to the question), the gold-badge owner say they will reopen if I dont find an exact duplicate with such slicing
 
10:14 AM
@mozway I posted in the Meta room, but just to consolidate the discussion here - IMO, if that's also a viable solution to the general problem, then it's an answer that belongs on at least one of the duplicates.
 
10:53 AM
@Adriaan they reopened the question…
 
 
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12:19 PM
@miken32 please review this answer and explain my folly. It is collecting uncommented downvotes.
 
@mickmackusa You could remove the meta commentary at the beginnig
 
@JeanneDark sure I could, but I like truth telling. I believe it is good to show future readers that the page is skating the edge of being ontopic. I'd support Typo closure if I didn't think it was a repeatable mistake that other devs might encounter.
 
That the question may be close-worthy does not belong in an answer, though.
 
12:35 PM
@KarlKnechtel If you feel a question is likely a duplicate but don't actually have a target, I would suggest not formatting the message as a cv-pls. You can just ask for suggestions for a target instead.
 
1:09 PM
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
1:24 PM
Is the upvote on this suspicious? The answer is completely, utterly wrong and won't even compile.
 
At a glance, I'd just say it's irrational more than suspicious for now.
 
@AdrianMole Not suspicious enough.
The user has several answers that seem to just be scattered. To me it seems they just managed to meet somebody scattering upvotes. The "new contributor" label also probably helped.
 
Yeah. Probably someone based in a language that does allow such assignments. Terrible answer, though, in so many ways: The OP's original reset function should actually work; it probably just isn't ever getting called.
 
I'm not praising the answer.
 
Glad to hear it.
 
1:32 PM
By chance I've already seen another of the user's answers on a JS question. They also answered a C# question. Overall, the binding thing behind the answers seems that it's rather basic answers to basic questions.
The C answer does say they aren't proficient in C. The upvote also came 10 minutes after posting the answer. Of the other answers, one is upvoted (and at least seems correct), another is accepted (but it's the only visible answer on a closed question).
 
@AdrianMole They seemingly just used (or rather are inspired by) code from the question (char space[3][3] = { {'1','2','3'}, {'4','5','6'}, {'7','8','9'} };).
 
They seem to be more used to daft languages, like J/S and C#, where (I think) you can assign arrays like that.
 
@JeanneDark I don't think that's too surprising. The key point of the answer is the reset function.
 
They are just guessing.
 
Are this and this spam?
 
1:43 PM
@Adriaan looks like it to me. The second answer you linked to looks like they plagiarized the code from here
 
nvm
 
@AdrianMole Is the question possibly a duplicate of one of those like Reset C int array to zero : the fastest way? or How to reset array in C? Or maybe kind of typo.
 
@NathanOliver Which is also not original. Sigh...
 
@JeanneDark Possibly a typo. There's a lot of code posted and I don't feel like debugging it, right now. But OP's reset function should work; the problem isn't that but is that the function just ain't getting called.
... I (or, rather, my compiler) spotted the nonsense comparisons, though, so I made a comment.
 
1:55 PM
Which is kind of typo (not calling the reset function). And overall nothing about it seems to be possibly useful to others.
 
When OP just throws all their code here and I can't even be bothered to go through all of it for what seems like a small error, I vote for no MCVE. I really don't feel like going through 100 lines of code (and some times way more) when it's something like a function not being called or being called but with the wrong argument. If OP didn't even attempt to narrow down the problem, then why should I bother?
 
@VLAZ Yeah. I saw it in FQ review and was considering giving it either a downvote or a close vote. But I saw that it had already been answered (albeit badly) and - feeling generous - decided to clean it up a bit and post a comment as "Other action".
... somebody may want to look into it and figure out what the issue is. So, it is answerable.
 
@AdrianMole IMO, without being minima, it's rather useless. When the problem is that it's calling foo(42) instead of foo(4 + 2) (for example) and you need to eliminate literal hundreds of lines of code to get there, it's not even useful to users who land on the question in the future. They still need to do the same to match if their problem is the same as the question's.
And it can be really hard to track down if it is or isn't.
 
I think I shall add another comment ...
Hah! Now I see what the problem is - their reset function isn't working as it should.
 
3:09 PM
Regarding the last SD report, even if they clarified how they are affiliated with that site, it wouldn't really answer the question, would it?
 
@JeanneDark I would say it's NAA if it wasn't spam
 
Thanks! Now it's gone anyway
 
^ looks like a spam seed. VTC or just nuke?
 
profile has a history of spamming
 
Can we even flag less obvious spam seeds before they're spam though?
 
3:18 PM
I have no qualms if there is sufficient circumstantial evidence
 
@JeanneDark I had flagged that as spam on the basis that the post existed "exclusively to promote a service"
 
That seems to have been its main purpose indeed
 
@GeneralGrievance shog has said before that if a post needs to be gone, he doesn't really care how that happens. For something like that I think nuking it would be okay for them.
 
That seems to have been its main purpose indeed
 
@GeneralGrievance For less obvious, you may need a modflag. Same with less obvious spam. Basically, if it's not almost immediately apparent by looking at the post and/or the profile, then might be best to use a custom flag with an explanation.
 
Oh, yeah. Makes sense.
 
4:16 PM
 
Is this possibly an answer?
 
at least not a good one; my guess is they misunderstood what was being asked
 
4:36 PM
@JeanneDark I could technically call that an answer, but it isn't a good one or even a correct one. I gave it a delete vote.
 
Thanks
 
5:23 PM
 
Ahh yes, discussions
 
Oh dear =/
 
7:17 PM
I'm not a fan of the new way notifications clear. You have to click on the notification to actually clear it or hit clear all.
 
@NathanOliver Also, the button to clear is a bit small. Easy to miss. Which then sends you to another page.
 
@VLAZ Oh? The mark all as read just clears the notification for me.
 
I mean the small envelope on each message.
 
If you misclick outside it, you click on the notification. Which then navigates away.
 
7:23 PM
Mark All as Read doesn't always work for me, either
 
Clicking on any part of the entry will mark it as read, although it will also navigate to the post/comment
 
At 14px by 14px, misclicking is easy. E.g., if you have problem with your hand. Also, which is more of my problem - optical mouse occasionally trembles a bit because there is a small hair or something on the optical sensor.
@TylerH I'm more annoyed by the navigation. But yes, it does also mark it. That part works.
 
@VLAZ I agree it would be nice to have the mail icon be bigger
 
IMO, the entire right end of the message should be the button. Not a small 14x14 icon.
And I've no clue how well it works (or doesn't) right now on mobile.
 
I swear that sometimes the new inbox doesn't respect the chat notification clearance circle, but I couldn't find out how to make it reproducible.
 
7:45 PM
I just had to refresh the browser to get the notification to show up. I had a red 1, but open notification and nothing unread. refreshed and then the message appeared. They are really pushing some quality features/updates out ;)
 
@NathanOliver Some times (and I can't figure out when, exactly) you get new notifications and you have to click the "Refresh" button in the inbox to show them.
Seems to happen for example 1. You get one notification 2. you open the toolbar. 3. You close the toolbar. 4. You get, say, two new notifications. 5. You open the toolbar.
You now have one unread message from the first time you opened, then two you have to click the Refresh for. It says "Refresh (2)", I think.
I'm not fully clear on what the trigger is to get new notifications but they don't show in the toolbar.
It involves staying on the page. But some times seems to happen even if I mark the notifications as read and then get new ones.
 
It might also be related to the constant DDoSing or whatever the heck is causing so random slowdowns every dang day.
 
@IanCampbell it was rolled out fairly quickly compared to most other changes
there's a good chance there are some bugs
 
In their defense, as they allude to in the Meta post, they let some of us beta test it for a few days. They took my concern seriously, but I couldn't figure out exactly the cause.
 
@IanCampbell And now the beta test is expanded to the whole network.
 
7:58 PM
Haha. Indeed.
 
Treta test
what's after beta
gamma test
 
gamma
 
@TylerH live ;)
 
F it, we'll do it live!
 
7:59 PM
@NathanOliver No, that's before or during the beta test.
 
my issue is really more with how annoying their red dot style for notifying of new activity is. it's the same reason i block the review button
i'd prefer something more subtle like the trophy turning green is
 
Gah! It just happened. This is going to drive me crazy.
 
I wonder if they polled users how many would say they want to see the number of new notifications vs just that there are new notifications
 
I like the number just to see how many notifications I got but the number is not really needed as long as I know there is something.
 
Thankfully I don't have enough really good answers to get notifications that often. Thank goodness you can't @-notify close voters.
 
8:08 PM
The menu itself could list the number of unread comments when you open it(really it should default to "unread" comments instead of "all" comments; I don't know why they did it the other way)
 
@IanCampbell You can if they hammered it closed and were the only close voter
 
Or indeed if they hammered it closed and they were the second close voter... but I don't hammer as many questions as I should.
 
C'mon, it's like whack-a-mole. It's fun :)
 
@NathanOliver Flagged as "Contains harassment, bigotry, or abuse towards Adrian Mole"
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lmao
That OP has a lot of class... I'll see myself out now
 
8:22 PM
Ugh.
 
8:33 PM
 
:55615411 Isn't it a duplicate? I don't see why a MCVE is needed. The question can be cleaned up a bit but it seems clear that OP wants to replace letters (except one) with underscores.
 
kinda weird how non-sticky header caused so many bugs, and yet in all this time since they removed it it's worked just fine without them testing it at all
(via userscript ofc)
 
9:04 PM
RO question - I've found a high-rep user who seems to be in the habit of rolling back good edits. Is it OK to note that in this room, to encourage a contributor here to rollback to their edit and/or flag to mod as they wish? (I can message them instead, but notes pertaining to post quality IMO would be in tune with the general aims of this room - just conscious of the worries of "focussing on the user").
@NathanOliver Arf, where's a groan emoji when you need one?
 
Just trying to fill in for gunr with the dad jokes :)
 
FWIW I love a good set of puns - keeping them coming and wearing out the patience of the listener is part of the fun :=)
 
@halfer there's a number of such high rep users who already have meta posts about their "formatting habits"
maybe you can find an answer there
 
@halfer Do you want to bring the high rep user into the room or the users who are getting their edits rolled back?
 
@halfer Is this a SOCVR user who is doing this? If not, then I would not bring it here, but rather mod flag it yourself and explain. Otherwise it's IMHO too much of a user-targeting effort, as you mention.
 
9:10 PM
@TylerH the bigger problem for me is that apparently I have to click on the envelope icons now to actually tell the system that I acknowledge the messages.
 
Traditionally user-targeted activities here are only OK if a moderator specifically requests that we assist with something
@KarlKnechtel See chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55615120#55615120; you should not have to click the envelope unless you want to mark it as read without navigating to the page that contains the post or comment
 
@KarlKnechtel i mean, you can click "mark all as read", though i'd prefer the old still
 
also that ^
 
@NathanOliver The second one - a good contributor to this room has had one of their edits rolled back, but in linking to the offending post, I am thereby noting which high-rep user is a frequent rollbacker! :=)
 
ah. yeah, navigating to the page is an even larger hurdle
 
9:11 PM
@TylerH No, the SOCVR is the goodie in this picture - I would like to encourage them to rollback or flag
 
thanks for pointing out the mark all thingy
 
(Happy to go either way on this one - thanks for guidance as usual peeps)
 
oh no, is it me
 
@halfer the point is that this comes across as encouraging rollback/flag because of who posted it
 
@KarlKnechtel A fair point - I'd probably not raise it if the rollback was a one-off
 
9:13 PM
@KevinB it's always you
 
the TLDR i've gathered from mso is these cases are effectively... meh
 
@halfer Honestly I wouldn't bring it into the room. I would either message them if you are concerned they didn't notice or you could just roll it back yourself. If the high rep user rolls back again then a mod flag or going to meta would be appropriate I would think.
 
unless the rollback is actively causing harm it's not worth the fight
 
@NathanOliver Fair enough, ta muchly
 
9:17 PM
@halfer I noticed this exact scenario yesterday. I decided I didn't want to further increase the level of drama on the site, so I decided to let it go quietly into the night.
 
@KevinB There's only five of them, but one or two are a bit annoying - reams of waffly writing, adding answers into the question space, unfriendly/mean commentary about the close process, etc - I'll mod flag
@IanCampbell Yeah, I sometimes do that too - deciding when to push and when to acquiesce is always an interesting thing to ponder
 
9:41 PM
Is there a dupe target for why the returned value of a function is not logged to the console in JS?
 
wut
i mean, surely there is, but i'm not sure what the question is yet
:p
 
I don't know anything much about JS. But Why does console log not work after a return statement?
 
sounds like a typo problem?
 
@Ethan I'm not sure what you mean - could you link to a question that you want a dupe target for? Maybe Difference between console.log and return in javascript? (although that one is closed)
 
It seems like OP doesn't understand what return does
 
9:46 PM
or the console
 
Or Javascript.
I think Tyler wins.
 
i wouldn't dupe close that
it's not useful
 
@Ethan Could that one be considered Needs Debugging Details for not including the code in the question...? That's what I'd personally go for, although of course I could be wrong
 
a comment to that effect at minimum
 
@cocomac True. I dont know the proper order of the reasons but even if they add the details it would still be dupe
 
9:47 PM
but the problem is even if they add the code...
i mean
it's effectively "How do i log to the browser console"
 
@KevinB No the thing on the right is the console in Replit. It wont be logged to the browser console. (unless it does both)
@Ethan I checked only the Replit console. Not the browser console
 
10:20 PM
 
10:54 PM
@mickmackusa dunno, it doesn't really address the "bug" the OP posted about; that's about the only bad thing I could say about it
Love those "Principal Skinner" questions. "Is my code really so bad? No, it must be the decades-old function with millions of uses that's buggy."
 
clearly
 
11:28 PM
Always a rude awakening when I try to curate on other sites. On apple.se
>I find a solution online here, you can check it. http://randomlink
is apparently an answer 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
That's not an answer
You should flag that
 
Ah, why didn't I think of that?!
 
Well, I flagged it again. Maybe I'll have better luck. If not, I'll go complain on their Meta.
OK, maybe not that last part. =P
 
I think the smaller sites are so eager to get traffic nobody cares about curation as much?
Speaking of, I just edited out a dozen tags and close-voted the remaining 20 or so. Burnination is in the home stretch now
 
11:52 PM
@miken32 If it makes you feel any better, they declined a NLN flag on a comment that says "This solved my problem, the answers above this one did not. Thank you!" The best part is the answer it's posted under doesn't even have answers above it.
(I honestly thought it would have been auto-deleted, my fault)
 
It's frustrating not having any privileges on these other sites. I'm about to crack 1000 on sf. We should get an association super-bonus or something when we hit 10k on a site
 

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