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00:16
@pppery that's...really something. They wrote a question, and then...converted it to an image, somehow? What the heck.
I pinged the moderator who migrated that about our requirements regarding images of text.
01:16
@RyanM Probably to avoid instructors searching for assignment text
01:34
@Dharman It's done. I removed the link when possible; I updated the link on posts that required attribution or when the post was mostly dependent on keeping the link. (Search also had 1 false positive.)
 
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03:32
RO please remove my request @ chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55398097#55398097 The question was edited and I've answered.
04:10
Is it rude/abusive if a thanker only wishes me the blessings from a lone god and not multiple gods? thanks ! time saved.May ONLY ONE GOD bless you. Maybe I'm showing my arrogance, but I reckon my answers are multi-god-blessing-worthy. [shrugs]
04:33
@mickmackusa → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@mickmackusa definitely r/a if you're an atheist!
@Nick I'm open to the notation of "god/s", but I'm yet to hear a compelling case.
I'm more of a "flying spaghetti monster"-man, myself.
Does anything about this question merit closing? The asker doesn't know about the ls and find commands. The answer would just be to point them to those commands. Would it be considered off topic / not about programming?
@mickmackusa how does that correlate to the big bang?
@Nick the Big Bang? ...you think that's air your breathing?
No, seriously, I don't know what you are asking about the Big Bang. Do I believe in the Big Bang? Do I believe that a god caused the Big Bang? Is God the same as the Big Bang?
04:44
@david-fong Generally, a question being that simple means there's a duplicate for it somewhere
(found, in this case, via site:stackoverflow.com list files in a folder shell in a search engine)
@RyanM ah thanks. I'll look for a duplicate next time I see something simple like that.
05:07
@mickmackusa how did the "flying spaghetti monster" bring about the big bang? Just a giant fart from too much gluten?
An epic question, for sure.
Hi guys! Should these be burninated? - 400 questions, - 800 questions
- IMHO yes, there's absolutely zero consistent theme to those
@RyanM agreed, but doesn't it add some helpful information to the post?
For - ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. It's at least being heavily misused for "How do I write a function that does ______?", but I could imagine some consistent things it could be used for. Someone would need to look through and see if there are actual questions about the definition of functions in ways that are useful. There may also already be better tags for such a concept that the questions could be retagged with.
@RyanM Hmm good point
06:29
@DialFrost what helpful information does it add? Countries aren't a programming concept (contrast with, say, locales, which are); indicating that a question somehow involves a country is no more useful than indicating that the question somehow involves boats.
Probably some of the questions should be retagged
@RyanM ah sorry mb, it's my first time writing a burnination request :(
@RyanM Is it alright if the answers to the 4 questions for burnination are short?
@DialFrost generally, yes
The answers only need to be good ;)
1
Q: Burn this [country]!

DialFrostThe country is quite ambiguous and isn't really on topic for this site and has no synonyms. And it has racked up 400+ questions! Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Sort of. It's very ambiguous, it can mean country codes, country names, ...

@JeanneDark ah ok thx
07:21
burninate , ?
rename DialFrost to DialBurn?
@david-fong hehe
and maybe - this one is just dumb
@DialFrost Wasn't there already a burninate request for it? Or was it just in my dreams?
@VLAZ I had a feeling it was already, but there's 400 questions on it now ...
@VLAZ Did a quick search on meta and didn't find it
@DialFrost I probably just wished it existed.
I do remember encountering the tag. I thought I had found a burninate request then.
07:38
@VLAZ I have a few qns lol: 1. Is it alright to post multiple burnination requests at once (a few hours apart) 2. Burninate right? It has absolutely nothing to do with programming
Last time I saw it, it was used in a lot of questions that went like "I want to apply a discound under X and Y conditions" which is asking either for how to identify X and Y conditions or how to calculate some number. Being a discount is irrelevant. Making a 2% discount per item over $100 but only even numbered ones is a programming problem just discounts are not very relevant to the end result.
Now it's used for shopping ...
Shall we freeze (or burn) it?
And as for multiple burnination requests - they won't be actioned immediately anyway. Let's say that it's maybe next year. At that point it would matter little whether the request was posted within a couple of hours of another. If you still don't like the idea, just write up the proposal and space out posting them. It's not like it's really time-sensitive.
@VLAZ Hmm thanks!
Would multiple "selected" option tags be an off-topic typo? stackoverflow.com/q/74136095/2943403
@Adriaan What a coinkydink: stackoverflow.com/a/74133786/2943403
07:52
@mickmackusa but then how do I encode/decode German or Swedish? :P ß, ü, ä, ö, å ... ;)
https://3v4l.org/hGDVD spoiler: c a n / h e l p / m e / c h e a t / i n / m y/ e x a m / p l e a s
m o r s e / c o d e / o n l y/ p l e a s e cm
@Adriaan ...those aren't real languages ;)
@mickmackusa hm, so I speak English and multiple forms of gibberish in that case. Including writing official government reports in gibberish :D
@Adriaan they are pretty simple, ä is a followed by two dots, etc
@Adriaan haha
@tripleee then how do you differentiate between ä and å? Both are used in Swedish. And it gets even worse if you want to write character languages like Japanese or Chinese, or do those go as "sounds", like how they type in sounds and then select the appropriate character
08:00
@Adriaan "Gerke-koden"
@bad_coder thank you
@DialFrost The downside to posting multiple in a row is that there's a limited amount of space in Hot Meta Posts, and you really want it to end up there to get votes.
but if there's nothing else there currently, or very little else, then go for it.
Also this is just to get more attention for the post, not like, something people will be annoyed at you for.
08:48
@RyanM ah
Possible burninations: , ,
@Adriaan you'd have to look it up but IIRC å is .-.- i.e. like aa only without a letter boundary (which is also how you transcribe the letter when you are desperate and don't have access to the full alphabet)
I liked Avicii's levels
@RyanM How far apart do you think is ok?
@Dharman past tense? :3
though frequently Scandinavians will rather drop the diacritics than butcher the spelling (so Angstrom rather than Aangstroem for Ångström)
maybe the Danish are more likely to double the A, that was the conventional spelling not too long ago (so Aalborg vs modern Ålborg)
@DialFrost Depends on Hot Meta Post traffic, really. Judgement call on your part.
08:51
My Dutch bank complained about my rent payments back in the day, because they thought "Luleå" did not fully consist of alpha-numeric characters
I can confirm. Dropping diacritics is a popular and lazy way of spelling.
Is there a way to reply to your own post?
It's because if you just drop the diacritic the other party knows you are lazy, but if you use a different letter then the other party might think you don't know the correct orthography,
@DialFrost in chat? Yes, do this.
(or install one of the many userscripts that add the reply button to your own messages)
@Adriaan I have no idea how Morse for CJK works but I know there's a Japanese transcription system called furigana where you spell out the word using syllables
OTOH transcribing to romaji and using that for the morse code would be my guess, and sounds simpler to this ignorant Westerner
08:56
Opinions on whether, as edited, this question about the differences between NoSQL and relational databases is sufficiently focused/not opinion-based to be on-topic?
I think it can be (and has been) answered relatively objectively, even if it's a little broad.
@RyanM eh
09:10
@DialFrost anyone? (if anyone missed it)
@RyanM But it only lasts for max 72 hours!
And btw how did the [script] burnination end up in featured?
[measurements] doesn't exist
the other two are probably good candidates for burnination
@Dharman mbmb its with no 's'
@Dharman aight I'll take em down in my notepad
09:27
take some measurements
@Dharman hmm?
it's a bad joke
burninations like puns
Do we redact NAAs like these where the OP posted their e-mail address?
@Dharman ye unfortunately "take some measurements" doesn't imply burnination :(
@DialFrost "take its measure" does
09:40
but its [measurements], idk how to fit that in a title
- this one I'm not so sure if it requires burnination
@DialFrost maybe too?
Also guys, is it a bad thing to answer burnination questions after they are burninated with the fun burninated pic?
I see it's used a lot but this particular question (1 yr old) doesn't have an answer despite being [status-completed]
@DialFrost @Dharman welp
09:58
@DialFrost yeah, but that's long enough to get a good number of eyes on it
@DialFrost featuring is part of the burnination process, in order to solicit wider input before removing a tag
@DialFrost I don't think completed burns necessarily need an answer. The status-completed tag is really enough.
unless there's something to add
mkay then
I just thought that it's better to show it's status-completed with a accepted answer, idk
@RyanM it requires an answer though :(
and sometimes burnination request questions dont get any
@DialFrost there's no guarantee that the answer would be accepted, and often answers are accepted when burns aren't completed.
@DialFrost It doesn't; this question is in HMP right now and has no answers.
Are you perhaps thinking of Hot Network Posts?
10:20
@RyanM whoops ya
@RyanM but ppl still do it! So I'm not sure whether to follow
Maybe the general advice is to only do so for very recent burninations?
@RyanM my question is on HMP finally :3
@RyanM ye, but not votes usually
Most just glance quickly
sooner or later i hope they change the burnation criteria to that you must specify why it generats problem (like create off-topic questions, spam or similar), for example why is it so harmful that we need to review more then 400 question with 3 people, that's a lot of work and the benefit what will it be?
or they change the system that we don't review and SE just delete the tag... Shog9 had a script like that...
10:36
@PetterFriberg really? damn that's powerful :3
Yeah, but he's unfortunately , not around anymore :(
:(
Btw delete tag meaning the tag is removed only right?
yeah it's just removed...
the burnation is for us to review all the question, so for it to have sense it much have generate a lot off off-topic question (as far as I see it)
if you find a downvote on that post, it was me :(, it was not because your post is bad and yes you right with all your criteria, it's just because I don't think we should spend our effort on it
@DialFrost if it's added contemporarily to the burn being finished, it's probably fine.
but I do not claim to be a perfect predictor of meta voting.
mainly we definitely don't want to go add them to old ones. that would be pointless.
@DialFrost yeah, basically this
@DialFrost well, that depends on what people think of it. In my experience, posts in HMP can get a lot of votes.
10:52
@RyanM ah ok thx!
@RyanM near perfect :3
possible new burninations: , ,
@DialFrost any comments/recommendations? thx guys
11:07
Maybe disambiguation requests? I've not looked through the questions there but these sound like they might contain on-topic questions. But also probably would conflate a few different concepts.
@VLAZ all 3?
Also I'm really not sure how to make disambiguation requests so erm
11:21
@DialFrost Probably all three. As for the request - it's on Meta. You should check how a tag is used and at least outline few of the major usages. Then you request a tag for each major usage: e.g., if [recycle] is used for deleting stuff and also there is some technology with that name, you might suggest that the former usage be tagged [delete] and for the latter a new tag be created [recycle-view] (examples in both cases).
The point is that one tag would be likely split into several different ones because there are several on-topic usages but are currently mixed up. The original tag might or might not need to remain. See also Is there guidance on tag disambiguation?
@Dharman ah don't mention it :)
@DialFrost a quick glance at shows a few themes to disambiguate: channel subscriptions (e.g., YouTube), subscription billing, and observable subscriptions.
11:45
Apologies if I'm breaking the "I'm involved" rule here, but just seeking advice, really. I hammered this C++ question but the OP doesn't seem happy about it. (Presumably, the reopen vote is the OP's.) The problem here is that the title of the question (i.e. "Is this UB?") isn't quite the actual problem (which the top answer to my dupe target addresses 100%). I was actually looking to post an answer when I found the dupe. ...
... Any C++ gurus around to offer support and/or dispute my closure?
12:12
@DalijaPrasnikar also that question lacks focus, asking for "any help or guidance"
Morning
@AdrianMole dupe closure looks fine to me. Seems they don't like that there are two different rule sets.
Answers which are nothing more than a screenshot of code, are those VLQ?
@Adriaan I'd say so. DV-worthy at the very least.
12:34
Is this spam or abuse? OP used an answer on a different question to beg for people to go to their own question on SO
@Adriaan I'd say it's a simple NAA, unless the user did this multiple times, in which case a custom flag would be warranted
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, but I just picked the first reason that seemed appropriate.
@mickmackusa I am not necessarily arguing for or against the policy; I was simply answering your question as to whether the rules here allowed it. I suggest saving the arguments and refining them for when the topic is discussed in a room meeting. :-)
@mickmackusa as it happens, PAD and PAS are illegal in the United States. So that is not a particularly effective argument on a US-based site ;-)
@RyanM some java post instantly took over in HMQ
13:43
@NathanOliver Thanks. Lots of things I don't like about some of the C++ rules ... but, meh.
I'll probably get that post in the RO queue tomorrow ...
If anyone has CVs to spare, I am seeding a whole bunch of duplicates into the CV Queue
13:58
@TylerH We have a di'mond geezer with some SQL knowledge. :)
14:11
@AdrianMole I think most of the mods have SQL knowledge :-P If I had a gold badge in it they'd all be done already :-)
@Dharman yes
but don't ask me which one is the best target
@KevinB which one is the best target? :D
15:13
@Adriaan I've successfully flagged image-only answers as NAA. They're worse than link-only answers for users on screen readers
15:52
@miken32 Well, that depends on how well someone edits the alternate text of the image :-)
@TylerH Make it only accessible for people with screen readers. Surprise everybody.
16:11
@Adriaan belatedly, what would make sense for Chinese I guess would be pinyin, so probably something like ni3 hao3
but again, quite possibly I'm further displaying my ignorance here
my understanding is that even with the tones, pinyin is somewhat painful, but I believe that's what they used back in the day before digital communications for transmitting bulletins to embassies
signed, random facts from random newspaper articles which stuck in the trivia section of my head circa 1989
@tripleee You led me to find this wiki article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_telegraph_code
Similarly, there's a Japanese morse code: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabun_code.
@GeneralGrievance oh, interesting! Obvious in hindsight
@GeneralGrievance That sounds a lot more painful than pinyin.
not that Chinese writing doesn't already require large amounts of memorization, but having to memorize an additional number to go with each of 7000 characters seems like a nontrivial additional burden
but perhaps there's greater fidelity, e.g., if two characters are pronounced the same way?
17:20
@RyanM clunky, yes, but unambiguous, which is a big win when you have lots of homonyms
Yeah, though it seems there's some method to the madness with the Four-Corner Method.
so, yes, exactly, what you said
Yeah, with each character being one syllable and a limited set of phonemes, there's a lot of collisions. Tonal differences and context are important.
Is there anything we can do about people continuing to use the [script] tag? It makes the burnination a bit of a moving target.
Not really. They could blacklist it, but then all edits on those posts would have to remove the tag in order for the edit to be able to go through.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine have multiple people monitoring it to remove the tag from new questions as it gets added each day
that may be feasible depending on the number of new questions per day that get asked
I sort of have a sneaking suspicion that's going to end up needing blacklisting in the end. Is it that bad to require removal of the tag, given that the tag is being actively burned?
we need staff (devs, I think) to do it, though, so there's some latency on that
19:20
Taking a look I see [script] only grew by about 1k over roughly a year. I can keep the question's tag page open on my browser and go through it daily (I do that for some other tags) to remove the tag from any new questions that get asked. I'm betting the rate of new questions should be something that we can easily handle until it gets down to 0 open questions, at least.
@GeneralGrievance Why does it have so many upvotes?
124k views too
I dunno. Maybe people were looking for Array.Sort
If I didn't see the score or the view I would delete it without hesitation, but now I am just confused. I will delete it anyway
I am guessing users read the question and think they have the same problem
thus, upvote
20:29
Relatedly, why does this question that was discussed on Meta earlier have so many upvotes?
i would assume because that's a mistake people actually make
It's literally "you put a variable name in quotes and added stray spaces to a string literal"
the views are almost always because it googles well
It doesn't even answer the how-to aspect.
@RyanM just because a problem is trivial to solve doesn't mean people always remember how to solve it :-)
out of 77k views you're bound to have a few with the same problem
I have to look up how to check my PowerShell version every time I need to do it
$PSVersionTable.PSVersion or something like that
but I can never quite get the syntax right when I am trying to check it
so it's easier to just google it
Oh, I have to look up the parameters to String.substring every time I need to use it.
I can never remember if it's (start, length) or (start, end)
oh yeah, that too
same problem
But in this case it's not like it's answering how to pass a relative path to fopen
unless, like, the answer to that is "don't quote your variable names or add random spaces to the mode parameter"
but that's also true of passing an absolute path
or using literally any function that takes a string
...anyway, can anyone think of any reason I shouldn't delete that one? the meta question discussing it was self-deleted.
20:35
@RyanM Is there a canonical? Could you close it as a dupe of how to open a file in read then delete it so all prior references auto redirect to something still useful?
To add to the confusion C# uses length, Java uses endIndex.
@GeneralGrievance yeah, the fact that different languages aren't at all consistent about this is a large part of the problem
And don't forget the deprecated substr in JS land.
@HenryEcker a canonical for "how to get a variable's content instead of its name"? or for using fopen with a relative path?
amusingly, site:stackoverflow.com how to get a variable's content instead of its name returns the exact opposite of that.
@RyanM fopen with relative path. I was only thinking that since it is one of the top search results that google is serving me. Having that go to a page not found for logged out/low-rep users is suboptimal.
That said that's likely to change when it's been deleted for a bit so... maybe it can just go and something better will start showing up in search results in its absence.
20:40
@HenryEcker this, maybe?
I am not a C/C++ dev, so if someone wants to tell me what it should be, I'm all ears.
Where's Cody when you need him? There'd already be 6 duplicate targets on that question.
Is there a way to see who skipped a review, e.g. stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/32954777
Not for normal users. We can only see reviews we skipped. Idk about mods.
 
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23:29
... so, basically furigana with conventions to map kana onto Latin Morse code

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