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12:55 AM
Would this be considered spam? They did disclose affiliation by saying we. But do we consider that clearly disclosing that they are affiliated?
 
1:27 AM
@Ethan the question is also about that. it's just NAA.
 
 
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9:33 AM
How to flag this comment? Say "Email me at <email>"
 
@Adriaan no longer needed is fine
 
10:32 AM
 
11:17 AM
What is this screenshot meant to show? i.stack.imgur.com/skeey.jpg
 
@Dharman The true nature of rene?
 
11:42 AM
Is an answer that says "I don't know the answer in version X (which the OP uses), but in version Y you can do this" an answer?
 
11:55 AM
Morning
 
12:07 PM
Is this acceptable? They copied an answer from the MSFT fora, but without the link to the original
 
@Adriaan It's plagiarism without the link.
 
Do anybody know, how to see exact timing of any question which was asked on yesterday? there only mentioned yesterday.
 
@SunderamDubey You can right click on "yesterday" and inspect it. That will open the HTML for it which has the exact time in an HTML attribute.
 
jps
12:23 PM
you don't need to inspect anything, just point your mouse on the word yesterday (or any other timestamp) and read the exact value in the tooltip
 
@SunderamDubey If you hover over yesterday the tooltip will give you the UTC timestamp.
 
@StephenOstermiller Or just hover over it. It gives you the date on hover.
 
@StephenOstermiller But I am on phone right now :)
 
If you are on mobile, you are out of luck. You can't right click or hover.
 
@NathanOliver And @VLAZ let me do
 
12:26 PM
@SunderamDubey If you have enough reputation you can click on the timeline and "toggle format" to see exact times.
 
@SunderamDubey bellow the vote button on the Q there should be a 3/4 circle arrow with a clock in it. That will take you to the questions timeline and you can get all the timestamp information from there.
 
Yes that toggle format works thanks :)
 
Its available to all users, I was wrong about reputation requirements for it.
 
My phone's screen size is 360px so I can't see it correctly but good that works.
 
1:01 PM
@NathanOliver The missing link is at most a technicality. The user attributes another person, has block quoted the copied text, and says "Copying here for easy reference". The user has made it abundantly clear that they're not taking credit for the text, so I wouldn't call that plagiarism at all.
 
Cases like that are hard to adjudicate because we do try to assume good faith. Improper citation is a hard one, especially when the OP made it clear what they were sharing wasn't theirs
 
As a small UX change to the auto-comment script, can I propose to have the links on the comment-selector turn blue, but not be clickable? I often poke on a link, leading me to the target page, rather than inserting the auto comment.
 
I think a better question there might be "Does the Q have a MRE?"
For now, I added the link and converted the answer to CW. I'm not sure there's any other rules to enforce
 
So, someone at this conference I'm attending was making a long, rambling statement masquerading as a question. Can I post a cv-pls request here for it?
Definitely not a real question.
 
@cigien The site guidance disagrees with that: stackoverflow.com/help/referencing
 
1:17 PM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine I'm... not sure how that's relevant? We don't have a "No CVs based on conferences you attend" rule
 
Totally joking :)
Kinda a weak attempt on my part...
 
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine We do have a "No weak jokes" rule, so I'm afraid you must leave now :P
 
^ is it spam?
 
There isn't a link, so I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
@SurajRao There's nothing on the account that screams spam. Account has been around a while, so I think it's an honest "How does this work?" Q
 
1:24 PM
@Machavity I could cv-pls the joke for needing details or clarity :) I was referring to posting a cv-pls request for a question at an in-person session. Someone was rambling on with a non-question during the Q&A portion of the session.
 
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Ah, that makes more sense
 
@NathanOliver I don't see what I said as disagreeing with the site guidance. Are you referring to the "make sure to do all of the following ..." bullets? I read those as guidance for users on how to attribute properly. Just because a post doesn't follow all the bullets doesn't automatically make it plagiarized. e.g. users very commonly don't provide the name of the original author, and I wouldn't call those plagiarized simply because of that.
 
@SurajRao It looked like possible spamseed to me, but closure would prevent them from using it that way. Hard to tell for sure, though.
 
make sure to doesn't sound like a guidance, but a requirement.
 
Yes, I don't mean it's optional. Linking to the source is required, I'm just saying that not linking to the source doesn't make it plagiarized when the user has made it extremely clear that they're not taking credit for the text they've copied.
The issue here is that "plagiarism" is a serious offense, and one for which a user could get in trouble and/or content be summarily deleted. It's not useful for the site to use a strict definition of plagiarism, otherwise we would have to delete content that doesn't provide the original author's name, say, which isn't helpful.
 
1:36 PM
So editing the post to add the link and leaving a comment noting that they should leave a link in the future would be a better action in this case than deleting the post or suspending the user.
 
@cigien So helping someone makes it okay to break the rules? Serial plagiarism is a serious offence, forgetting or not knowing to link isn't, but's something that needs to be fixed as the original author deserves full credit. If you copy an SO answer into your code and don't cite, that makes you legally liable, same thing applies here. They've copied protected content and did not follow the proper protocol.
By mod flagging we can have a mod explain this to them and if they fix up the post it can always be undeleted.
 
Gonna land on the Nathan side here. If someone posts something iffy, feel free to mod flag for plagiarism. As long as there's a case to be made, we'll take a look at it. Doesn't have to be a slam-dunk copy-pasta case
 
spam and user nuked in 37 seconds, that's pretty good :)
 
Autoflags: when you need it gone now :)
 
Ok, sounds good. I still wouldn't call that plagiarism, and in this case I wouldn't even mod flag it necessarily, especially if I could edit the link in myself, but that's clearly not the guidance, so ignore all of what I said above.
 
1:50 PM
@cigien FWIW, I don't think you're entirely wrong. I think most people think of mod flags for deletion (and the tool gives us a handy delete button to resolve the flag), but sometimes you just need a judgment call
And that's why we sometimes escalate to CMs, when it's not clear what a diamond moderator should do in a situation
 
@GeneralGrievance the top three "answers" there aren't answers at all, just workarounds
 
Well, really all but one of the answers don't address the question. Oof.
Oops, two I guess. Still...
 
@cigien I'm not against editing the link in if possible and leaving a comment to the OP explaining why. If that's not possible or you don't fell like doing that then I think it should be mod flagged and they can decide how to handle it.
 
@cigien Sometimes all it takes is for one user to notice something is off and the resulting investigation finds that rabbit hole was far deeper than anyone imagined
 
@Machavity Wow, that looks like "fun".
 
2:03 PM
@NathanOliver Ok. If a post is fixable by a regular user, I'm not sure they should be raising a mod flag because they don't feel like fixing it themselves, but maybe plagiarism (or even the slightest hint at it) should be treated more seriously. I'll think about this more carefully.
@Machavity I'll take your word for it that this is somehow related. The linked post is thoroughly vague about everything (rightfully so). Unless you mean in general: "when you see something, say something, just in case".
 
Is this on-topic? It's about ehtereum (for which a separate SE exists) without any mentioning of programming
 
@cigien Yes, the take home is, if you see something, flag something.
 
Yeah, the serial-plagiarism rabbit hole is a deep one on StackOverflow too. I reached a super-critical mass of things to investigate (as in, I just keep finding more stuff and the pile keeps growing), and that's what a huge chunk of my flags have been as of late. Many of the offenders have >2k, which has somewhat scary implications for content on this site.
 
I see. Will do. - Now I'm really curious what happened there , with up to 3 mods referring to it :(
 
@cigien That whole mess started with a simple SO flag. I wish I could say more
 
2:12 PM
If only our elected moderators had more tools at their disposal to detect plagiarism.
@cigien I believe there will be a more detailed post on MSE in the future about the investigation in the coming days/weeks.
 
@GeneralGrievance Honestly, some of that has been mind blowing. The one that still gets me is the copy, followed by editing the original so it no longer matched exactly
And the copy got 5x the votes :(
 
There's probably an interesting research question to be had trying to understand plagiarism on SO using graph theory. =P
 
@Machavity Yup, and that leads to fraud investigations too, I would think?
 
@GeneralGrievance In that case, no. The problem was that early plagiarizers learned to copy-pasta existing good answers onto dupe questions. If the dupe wound up more famous, they'd profit heavily
I've merged some questions as a result of that. Can't fix years of voting, unfortunately
 
Ah... yeah. Cross-question copy.
 
2:18 PM
What's amusing is that a lot of folks who have a pattern of doing that did often dabble in vote fraud and switched after they got caught
 
Sorry, switched what?
 
So socks becomes plaguerizers? ;)
 
Switched from sockpuppeting to plagiarism
 
Can sock-puppets be legally copyrighted?
 
@AdrianMole Yes
 
2:21 PM
I would assume so. Publishing under a pseudonym is copyrighted.
 
@NathanOliver "Plaguerizers"... yes, the plague must be purged.
 
3:33 PM
dang, somebody removed the tag just as I was hammering it
 
 
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4:50 PM
> I am phasing same issue.
 
I recommend a 15 degree phase on same issues.
 
> What is an command prompt?
this might take more time than I anticipated
 
5:24 PM
@rene well, you have all the time in the world for these important questions, right? :-)
 
@rene Is this a dagger command prompt I see before me?
 
 
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6:39 PM
@dbc I think the question title is breaking the user script. Link is broken
 
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@NathanOliver Thanks, fixed. (Seems to have been already closed by the time I fixed it.)
 
np. whistles
 
7:01 PM
@JeanneDark Set phasers to "debug"
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@Adriaan I'd be against this change, as currently requested. I sometimes use those links to open the linked page, so I'd be frustrated if they were not clickable. Perhaps there's some other solution which would work for both of us, and other people. For example, the links could default to open a new tab/window instead of navigating the current page (which is something I do for all SE popups, because it is annoying to navigate the page when you really just wanted to select something). Another alternative would be have a setting which allowed switching between the links being clickable and not.
 
7:16 PM
@Adriaan I'd say so; it's effectively saying "you could solve the problem by upgrading to version Y and doing this", which answers the question.
 
9:37 PM
Should this question be closed for focus? stackoverflow.com/q/22885955. I can see how the first two questions can fit under one umbrella, but what about the third?
 
@Adriaan eh, generating public keys is encryption, is encryption programming or just math in this case?
I'm on the fence, could lean either way
@GeneralGrievance Yes this question is closeable as too broad and POB
 
If a question on SO was also asked on another SE site what should we do? Somebody already mentioned the question in the comments.
 
asking us to tell you what someone else's stance is on something happening in the future?! Double-whammy of "we can't know the answer to that"
@Ethan Crossposting is frowned upon, but I don't recall if there's a hard and fast rule about it
 
Generally we delete them, you can custom flag it never mind, misunderstood the question
we can also work with the other site mods to merge answers sometimes
 
@TylerH Its not a cross post. The questions are from different users SO, server vault
 
9:51 PM
Oh, then that's fine.
 
So just upvote the comment and move on
 
also TIL GitHub supports SVN.
 
10:29 PM
@RyanM TIL
 

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