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3:59 AM
@DineshParmar Each chat room here on Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange has a particular focus, which is described in the room description that's located at the top of the right-sidebar (browser), and/or the room's info page (browser and mobile version) which sometimes links to an off-site location for more information. This room has a Frequently Asked Questions page, which describes that this room is for discussing user-level moderation of posts on the main Stack Overflow site.
I understand your desire to post your messages in a room that has a lot of recent traffic, but you should resist that desire. In most rooms, people tend to react negatively, sometimes very negatively, when an unknown person comes in and asks about something that's not on-topic for the room, particularly if it's quite a bit off-topic. Prior to posting in any room, I strongly recommend you read the room's description and any FAQ or other information page(s) linked from the description.
Overall, this isn't the right room for what you're asking about. You might want to try looking at the list of rooms on Stack Overflow Chat, and/or the list of rooms on Stack Exchange Chat. Those pages have a search function, which might help you find a room that's appropriate for what you want.
So you know, I'm going to move your messages into a room we use for messages which don't fit here in this room, SOCVR. The room I'm moving your messages to is called SOCVR /dev/null. Even though the system will say you are invited into that room, I'm not actually inviting you to talk there. You won't be able to talk there. Unfortunately, it's the system that erroneously issues that "invitation" when your messages are moved and there's nothing I can do to prevent that.
@HenryEcker There's nothing wrong with you responding to that user. I only moved your messages because you had already deleted them.
 
@Makyen I understood Makyen (though I appreciate the clarification). Your messages conveyed more than adequately the same thing I was attempting to; I didn't want to dogpile unnecessarily there.
 
np. Not dogpiling sounds like a good idea. :;
 
 
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5:13 AM
Can a RO please bin this request? Code has been added (cc @RyanM @Makyen)
 
5:38 AM
@tripleee why is this spam locked rather than deleted?
flagged for mod attention
 
Did a mod misclick?
 
seems likely, though I suppose there could be secret mod cabal handshake rituals I am unaware of
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
gone now
 
@Adriaan No, for some reason the delete-vote from the Community user just didn't delete it.
 
5:49 AM
@Makyen exciting, time for a bug report?
 
I think we've seen this happen before, where Community fails to actually delete a post. I vaguely recall a bug report.
 
@Adriaan Probably. I'm, also, vaguely recalling something similar. It would be good to track it, so we know how often it happens.
 
Sure enough, the answer saying it can't be repro'd has two comments... from Makyen and I.
 
Perhaps Community wants a smooth skin as well?
@RyanM you also have a very insightful deleted answer there :P
 
@RyanM Looks like it should have 3 comments.
(at least)
 
5:55 AM
@Adriaan Fortunately, I managed to edit out the content in the grace period so you can't see how badly I missed... :-)
 
Are some questions auto-protected? E.g. on that ^ spam report there are 3 deleted answers by new users, one spam, 2 mod deleted
 
I moved the bug report back to status-review, given that Yaakov's reason for declining it doesn't apply and that reports of new occurrences were requested.
@Adriaan I believe it's something like 3 of either deleted posts by new users or red-flag deletions, with red-flag deletions of posts by new users counting as 2.
 
@RyanM thanks for that info. I usually protect Natty's reported answers in case it's the second in a "short" (subjective) period or the third in total
 
Yeah, it's virtually never necessary to manually protect a question.
I think I've done it once, ever?
I can't immediately recall why.
IIRC it was on Law, and the question was on HNQ and getting bad answers.
 
6:29 AM
@AmitJoshi That question can't be closed; it has a bounty.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (invalid request)
 
6:51 AM
Should I flag a user for moderator attention if they are persistently and intentionally breaking the simple Q&A design by posting answers as comments? This is a veteran who knows how the site works. This is role modelling bad behavior. I guess I am asking if it will be "helpful" to cry foul or if I just need to quietly suffer while they continue to do the wrong thing.
1 and 2
 
@RyanM Yes; but that accepted my close vote. Anyway, should I request to remove that cv-pls request and may be consider to post it again when the bounty is over? It seems that OP have abandoned that question.
It seems that request is already removed. Thanks.
 
@AmitJoshi For the record, there are no close votes active on that question, nor have there ever been.
(which is not to say that the UI didn't do something strange or incorrect; that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest)
 
> plases guide me ass soon as possible
 
jps
@JeanneDark guide them how to use an english spell-checker. The third word is misspelled, should be "my"
 
8:29 AM
Is something fishy about this? Quickly accepted and upvoted though it repeats the self-answer.
 
@JeanneDark weird but can't find anything in mod tools.
 
Ok, thanks!
 
jps
9:00 AM
@tripleee Edit: Edited so mods stop it;
 
jps
SO mods are unstoppable
 
10:01 AM
@RyanM Yes; that's correct. I cast the close vote now again and this time, I read the message carefully. I over-looked the message last time. It did not accepted my close-vote last time as well.
 
10:25 AM
fair amount of questions in the close votes queue if you need something to click on
 
10:47 AM
 
11:08 AM
@tripleee closed a few dozen in and out of the queue
 
@RyanM brilliant, thanks!
there's more where those came from ... out of close votes, predictably
 
Yeah, I went through some of the questions after the queue and closed some obvious ones...got bored after a bit though :-p
I'm up to 66 close votes cast today, so it's not like I'm slacking on the closing ;-)
 
11:46 AM
@tripleee "You can edit the question or post a new one." ugh why does it still say this.
3
 
argh, indeed
 
jps
love how they blindly copied the whole original question, including the contents of the blue banner and the tags...
 
is Bugzilla - UNCONFIRMED on topic? DOesn't seem much to me
 
1:37 PM
Should this answer with two words (code and link) be deleted? Content is discussed in other answer on same question.
 
@AmitJoshi It's a commentary on other answer. That's one of the examples of NAA
 
@AmitJoshi It's not an NAA, but if you believe it's useless you could try a del-pls request in here.
 
delpls is not possible with score +1
 
@JeanneDark Yes; I am aware it IS an answer as it is a code and a correct code. That is why I have not flagged it yet.
 
1:55 PM
Does something need to be done about it? It's not the best answer ever but many people seem to have found it useful.
 
3:10 PM
@Braiam It was the first answer posted, there were no other answers to comment on
 
@miken32 I read your message as that the answer comments about other answer, not that other answers comment about it.
 
You said the answer Amit asked about was NAA because it was commentary on another answer. I'm just pointing out that it couldn't be commentary on another answer
 
whoa, got an accept on a 2015 answer
nice
@AmitJoshi I think it is fine to stay, but can be improved a little bit
 
3:35 PM
> I am new to stack and don’t have enough Reps to “Like” anything.
 
4:33 PM
 
@GeneralGrievance wait, those smudges are not on my screen ...
 
Remember how much flak we give SO when it's down yet status says OK. Well, Github is down and status says OK
 
The status needs to be committed ...
Maybe Github can switch to Visual Source Safe while they are down?
 
5:33 PM
@rene shudder
 
6:39 PM
@GeneralGrievance Okay, what is this? Is this Java or JavaScript? Why are there so many typos?
It's unbelievable what kind of mistakes people do when they are learning
 
@Dharman In college we had to make a lamp for an art class. Prof handed out lamp cord wire, a plug, a socket and a light bulb. The next week three students had wrecked their sockets with some of the craziest (and dangerous) ways they had tried to wire the thing up
One student meticulously stripped like 4" of wire and fished the two wires through the bottom of the socket
 
That's probably why the most important skill in our profession is logical thinking.
You don't need to know math, physics or anything like that.
 
@GeneralGrievance This is painful
 
I remember when I was learning coding, I just tried whatever code worked. Now, I think about what I write and I try to understand every line what it does exactly.
 
@Machavity I mean, you could make that work
 
6:46 PM
What goes through people's head when they write for(var i=0; i; i<...; i++)
 
@Dharman Yeah, the saddest experience I ever had with formal programming was a Java class in highschool. The teacher just handed out books and each day our task was to copy the next program or function into some IDE and have it run without errors by the end of class.
 
I think I need more is on it.
 
He did literally zero teaching
 
hmm
for me, we had this one class that both us and the instructors hated but was mandated by the cirriculum
 
As a tech savvy kid it was super boring for me, because I could touch type easily even then and would finish in like 15 minutes, but not be allowed to do anything else with my free time. Meanwhile after an hour many students couldn't even complete the transcription, let alone without errors, finding those errors, and fixing them
 
6:49 PM
it involved going through this workbook that... effectively taught you how to use the internet.
Got to site a, find this thing,
go to site b, find this thing,
and all of the sites had changed since the workbook was written
 
@KevinB It's amazing how many people of all ages cannot do that today
 
i don't remember much of that class
we also had a "javascript" course that was similarly silly/useless
this was all back in 2007/2008
like, here, this is a for loop. here, this is an if statement. (after we just finished a semester on visual basic)
 
Yeah my Java one was circa 2005 or 2006
 
7:06 PM
@TylerH Did the teacher know how to interpret syntax highlighting and was how meticulously was the transcription checked? My natural cheater instinct is wondering if I could get away with just wrapping everything in a block comment and just do output a-la Kolmogorov.
@Dharman It was on a JS question. I don't know any more than that. I guess somehow OP thought to put it into existing Java unit test code on some Java IDE. The boolean HomePageIcons also bothers me from a code review standpoint. That's a terrible boolean name...
 
@KevinB plot twist: the workbook is intentionally written for outdated versions of websites to teach you that skill
@GeneralGrievance it's a Java script.
 
7:22 PM
Should this stub still be hanging around?
 
@HenryEcker Nope. Blame Marc.
 
is it because he felt the need to leave a comment
 
Nope, because he reopened it after migration.
 
How was it reopened? Oh, just reopened but not unlocked. hm...
 
...
 
7:25 PM
Moderators are pretty much never stopped from doing things to locked posts.
I considered just unlocking and letting Roomba get it, but then decided to speed the process along.
 
@GeneralGrievance I think he had done some Java programming before he became a teacher, which is why he was the one teaching the class
but he was one of those "wah wah wah wah wah" Charlie Brown teachers
He was just there to collect an easy paycheck
He would go around to each student and have them run the code and if no errors were found, we'd get full credit
Any time we had an error he would point it out to us and have us fix it and call him back when it was fixed; points off for however many times he had to be called over that day
 
i think the three we had were very good
just the curriculum sucked
 
I mean for a student like me who was interested in programming it was useful because I could glean some knowledge about Java and programming in general, but only marginally so
 
first year we started out with 20-ish students... second year there were 4 of us
and... noone actually finished it
 
Is there something we're supposed to do about Community deleted posts that are still appearing in search?
 
7:35 PM
well, actually i'm not sure about any of the other 3
 
@HenryEcker flag 'em to be bonked redeleted by moderators.
 
none of us could complete it that semester due to needing other side-courses to qualify for the piece of paper
 
and/or point out on a meta site that this is a silly process and it should just work correctly in the first place
but for now, the flag thing.
 
If I have a question that's not in English with no recent activity but has had close queue invalidated 12 times something that could be potentially eligible for a cv-pls?
 
i was missing speech and... macro applications? excel and whatnot
 
7:37 PM
@HenryEcker yes, IMHO
 
@RyanM Is there a way to word what needs to happen?
 
@HenryEcker "This post is deleted but still showing up in search, please redelete it" would be clear to me at least
bonus points for a link to said search in case the handling mod is unfamiliar with the bug and/or wishes to verify the problem
Yes @ShawnTaylor, structure's like that are called invalid JSON. — 0stone0 Jul 28 at 19:33
oh, we had a whole blog post about that!
 
i mean
 
@RyanM I linked both the search and the [status-review]ed MSO thread was what I went with.
Ty for the help
 
np
 
7:47 PM
@RyanM If that's not an Esolang already, it really needs to be.
 
@HenryEcker Looks great. Also catalogued them in a CW answer at meta.stackoverflow.com/a/419880/208273
Interesting that two were deleted on the same day.
Search delta updates were having a bad day that day, it seems.
 
@RyanM We can't red flag them, which is frustrating when A) wanting to change the deletion from spam to R/A, and B) when wanting to report a post to SD. So, we have to undelete, unlock, [do thing, if needed], raise flag.
 
@Makyen For the SD redeletion case, I've just been redeleting them from my own account rather than flagging, assuming the user is already destroyed. If the user isn't destroyed, then I'll destroy the user to redelete the post without unlocking it. If I want to keep the user but not put my name visibly on the post (trolling, for example), then I'll do through the unlock/flag dance.
Though someone seeing the SD reports did once note that they were briefly confused by "It was flagged as spam or offensive content and deleted just now by Ryan M" :-p
 
9:37 PM
@RyanM So I took your hunch... Apparently most of that block failed. post + search, post + search,
Almost everything Community deleted at 2022-05-21 01:00:31 is still accessible via search. Do you want mod flags or update the CW or something else?
*Ah nvm... it looks like there's about 900 or so more posts (ignore the mod flag suggestion)
 
Oh boy. Uhhhh. Well, that seems very relevant for the bug report.
 
You want a separate thread or a new answer on that one?
 
Separate thread, I think, given that this is reporting specifically that they're failing in bulk rather than one-offs like the previous one was.
Shoot me a link once you're done, I'll status-review it.
 
@HenryEcker This is consistent with my impression from looking into the issue around tags not being shown as deleted. IIRC, in the few which I looked into, when the tag was sticking around, but the tag didn't have any non-deleted posts, the posts which were causing the tag to be "stuck" were, supposedly, deleted by Community and it felt like the posts were clustered around various dates/times. However, I only noted that after having fully dealt with a few/several. I did not continue with the investigation to verify that there really was clustering.
 
Yeah. At least with the SEDE query there looks to be "runs" for lack of better term of failures. Then it's back on track... and then falls back off again
 
9:51 PM
 
It's going to take a bit to put together a post. Community deleted 9930 questions at that second and I can't pull deleted text programatically to confirm it appears in search... =/
 
9930? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but that sounds like a really large roomba run...
 
@RyanM query
I mean some of them could be deleted by post owner, but I haven't found one yet
 
Oh, never mind, that's a typical weekly Roomba run: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1414453/…
For some reason the deletion stats in the mod analytics represent...something else.
Maybe posts deleted not by Community?
Also completely unreadable in dark mode but that's fine, I don't use them anyway.
 
10:31 PM
Wow. I just got search rate limited that's a first for me =/
 
I get rate-limited a lot. Its almost always from me skipping too many review tasks in queues
 
11:10 PM
I ran into a question that says "Write a function for me... I want it to..." I suppose that it would be condescending to ask the OP if they would like fries with that, but it's so tempting.
 
press "fries"
 
@HenryEcker Eeek. Thanks for the detailed investigation!
 

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