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@E_net4thecommentflagger I've edited this into "how to perform this task", rather than an explicit request for resources. The answers appear to be a mix of tool recommendations and code for scripts which perform the task.
 
9:18 AM
@Makyen \o/
 
:)
 
@tripleee @TylerH Would you believe that wasn't the last time they tried that?
 
9:50 AM
@bad_coder That doesn't seem like a debugging question? The OP is asking what is the correct way to do something.
 
@snakecharmerb Writing a docstring requires an example of the datatype that's supposed to be documented. It can't be abstract. The sketched dict docstring makes no sense at all, and the answer are naturally also wrong.
 
@bad_coder yes, just seen your comments on the q
 
@snakecharmerb see my comments under the answer, the whole thread is a trainwreck.
I feel sorry for any noob coming across that thread, total misinfo.
@snakecharmerb FYI, folks don't seem to appreciate it when I dispell TypeDict myths I gather it's a trend to post about it without reading the PEP.
 
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10:45 AM
Totally copied answer almost after 1.5 hours on May 29, is this plagiarism?
 
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Q: About time we went off-[script]?

The ThonnuThe original question, Should we go off-[script]? was asked in April 2021, has just under 100 upvotes, and achieved nothing. The script tag now has over 2,200 questions, and over 50 questions have been asked in the tag in the last week alone. Yesterday, I stumbled upon the script tag in this que...

 
Also copied my answer in this answer, I am talking about technically.
Gives answer 1 hour later from mine.
My answer is just above.
Technically, pk means primary key and id also refers to primary key, there's only one difference I could see.
 
Why are you posting that in here, @SunderamDubey? If you want a moderator to delete the answer because it copied yours and added nothing new, then you should raise a moderator flag on it.
 
I am confirming.
Apologies sir, I'd raise.
 
10:54 AM
@bad_coder There's an underlying issue (documenting a specific datatype) that can be done by challenging the premise of the proposed solution like Mad does, or trying to build up whatever the asker solution was. I don't think the question has a fundamental issue that needs to be closed for.
 
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11:15 AM
would it be justified to cv a question for "needs debugging details", if the existing code is just completely unreadable like in this case? Or what would be a better option. OP got comments regarding this but did not react on it.
 
@jps "Completely unreadable" is a huge exaggeration. That can be trivially fixed with an edit. Voting to close because the formatting is imperfect seems unreasonable.
I found this automatic code prettifier with a simple Google search.
 
@jps If it's fixable by any user (at least easily) then not really justified. I'm pretty sure there is a formatter for VB code, so it will probably take less than a minute to make the edit if one copies -> auto format -> paste in.
 
^ Confirmed.
For some reason, I had to first strip out blank lines with a different tool, because the formatter I found wasn't working here, despite having the "Remove Excess Line Breaks" option enabled. I've never used the formatter before, so I don't know if it is a bug in the formatter or there was something weird about the input code (like spaces that made the lines not actually blank?).
Still, I would not say more than a minute to fix.
Oh gee, look, someone actually already did this, except they posted it as an answer instead of submitting it as an edit.
Anyway... might I humbly suggest if sub-par code formatting that can be trivially fixed with an edit is a reason you're considering closing a question that you take a break from looking at questions for a bit?
 
jps
@VLAZ thanks, there are of course many things that can be done, but sometimes when I see blatant ignorance, I'm also not willing to do the work for them
 
That's valid, but not a close reason.
 
11:23 AM
You don't need to do that. It's just not a close reason.
 
jps
often questions which show screenshots of code (which are still better readable than the code in this question) are also closed as "needs debugging details".
 
Because we don't allow screenshots of code. Code must be included as text. We don't have a rule preventing questions with poorly-formatted code. (Largely because it can be trivially fixed.)
 
Screenshots cannot be searched - not by search engines, not even if you're on the page. They are not accessible to screen readers. You cannot copy a portion of an image. And they might not even be visible to people who don't have problems with vision - for example, the image might be blocked. That's why they are discouraged - it's not easy to do anything with them.
 
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11:39 AM
I did not mean to argue pro screenshot. Of course, I know the reasons and comment (and cv) accordingly on questions with screenshots almost every day.
 
@Braiam your argument doesn't hold with knowledge about docstrings or Python datatypes. I'm not going to elaborate more than I already did, for SMEs it's obvious the Q lacks an MRE and makes no sense without it. The OP didn't provide the types he's trying to document, so it's complete nonsense.
What the OP is aiming for is actually documenting values, not types. That's a common noob misconception, that Q has several layers of misconceptions - it's a cameleon question.
 
Ah, I see the problem now. Chameleons are completely different species from snakes.
 
12:14 PM
 
I have a question about flagging an answer for convert-to-comment (custom) or delete. Should I flag an answer with upvotes but of no value? Content is reflected in many other highly upvoted and detailed answers on same question. The Answer I am talking about is very short (12 words, out of which 5 have no value). Or in other words, when should I NOT flag for convert-to-comment (custom) or delete?
 
@AmitJoshi you use a standard flag, right?
 
12:33 PM
@rene : No; that is custom flag because that IS an answer in theory. So standard flag does not apply.
 
12:45 PM
@AmitJoshi hmm, okay. That sounds to me as a hit and miss case, depending on the mood of Cody or any other mod handling your flag. Is the answer doing so much harm it needs to be a comment? I would personally flag an answer to be converted to a comment if the text has value but doesn't answer the question. When an answer does answer the question but poorly it is downvote territory not let's employ limited mod resources territory.
 
The situation @AmitJoshi describes is way too hypothetical for me to even try to weigh in with an opinion. I'd say simply that if you want a moderator to consider converting an answer to a comment, it is valid to raise a flag on the answer explicitly requesting that, but beware that the mod who handles the flag might disagree with the request.
Generally, if an old answer is borderline and not hurting anything, it might be better to leave it alone. You definitely don't want to go seeking these out. But if you come across them organically and you think the site can be improved by converting them to a comment, then most mods I know are happy to click that button.
 
1:01 PM
@Braiam and there you go, a question that says it's about Sphinx and about dictionaries and you remove both tags.
That's actually vandalism.
 
1:14 PM
@bad_coder Because sphinx is just an example, as you can see from the body of the question.
Also dictionaries is just a keyword. It's not dealing with dictionaries, just the documentation of them.
It could be any object that accepts any number of arbitrary parameters.
"I just used Sphinx as an example" <- see, example
 
1:44 PM
@Braiam usual nonsense arguments, documenting a dict is about a dict, it's specific to the dict. The example has specific syntax and the only generator for that syntax is sphinx, so that tag is also valid.
Your arguing about stuff you have no expertise in.
 
@Makyen should a RO remove the cv-pls?
 
2:07 PM
@tripleee At this point, yes. I should have explicitly asked if they still want the request maintained in order to get a response one way or the other and/or removed it initially.
@E_net4thecommentflagger FYI: Given my edit to the question and support in here, I'm going to move this to /dev/null.
 
 
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I realise my last cv-pls inadvertently links to the answer. Sorry! Reflects how I got to the question I think. Anyway, hopefully people can figure out the intent
 
@DavidW Maybe it was a subtle hint that something needed to be done with that answer, too. ;-)
 
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> is this a bot or admin i cant tell. If ur a person u gotta work on ur talking too people skills
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4:39 PM
Favourite comment of the day:

> People pick on other people for spelling all the time on the internet, and I want you to make sure you know that's not what's happening here … it completely *made my day* to read that you type that as "whola." Just for future reference, if you really want to know, it's spelled … voilà. Absolutely beautiful. I loved it. Never change. ❤️
 
 
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@cigien Not 100% convinced on that one. Is the given 'word' a complete string, or is it one of many words in a string?
 
@AdrianMole How do spaces affect the comparison between the count of uppercase and lowercase letters?
 
They don't. But should we be testing each word in a string or the whole string? OP uses "string" in the title but "word" in the body.
 
Actually, OP used "word" in both cases. I edited the title to say string, but not the body. Fixed.
 
OK, I'll bite.
 
8:56 PM
For a moment I thought it was asked by a different Jean-François so I just left a comment... anyway, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/375077/… is now thanks to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/418095/… (in case any bored mods come by this message)
 
 
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@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні You can raise a custom flag asking for the tag to be added. That way you don't have a to rely on a mod being bored (or even reading the chat message) ;)
 
I figured that "question needs retagging on meta" is the most inconsequential thing I can imagine on SO, so I wouldn't want to waste attention going into the mod queue.
 
Asking for mod-only tags to be added is a perfectly valid reason to raise a flag. It's not a lot of time/effort to determine if the tag should be added. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think such flags are fine.
 
Fine, yes. Me wanting to raise it, no :P
I tend to have a different view of what counts as a waste of time
 
Ok, then I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of the chat message was. Wouldn't it waste the same amount of time if a mod read it?
 
no, because a mod looking at this transcript perhaps has more time to waste than one looking at the queue :P
 
10:10 PM
Haha, I suppose that's one way of looking at it :)
 
@cigien Also a duplicate a few times over, likely it's a common homework assignment
I'll vote to reopen if you're going to use that big hammer on it ;)
 
@miken32 Yeah, the first one is decent enough. The attempt in the question is unnecessary, so I'll remove it.
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Flagging to request or suggest that a mod-only tag be added to a question on Meta is the normal and expected way to get that to happen. Please use an "in need of moderator intervention" flag in that situation to make the request.
The flag queues for MSO and SO are separate, so moderators won't see it unless they are looking to handle flags on MSO, where they would expect to see such a flag. If we don't have the time, it's easy to just skip over a flag and leave it for later or another moderator.
The flag queue on MSO tends to stay fairly low. It's actually empty at the moment. It's the flag queue on SO which has a tendency to get large.
 
@miken32 Ooh, don't in this case. I added the tag, so my hammer won't work.
@cigien @Makyen Could this be binned please?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
10:21 PM
@Makyen OK, thanks
 
np
 
@miken32 I've edited the first one to just state the problem clearly, and removed the attempt (it serves no purpose, and was only added because the question was closed for needing focus). The remaining ones are all debugging questions, so they aren't any good. There is one other how-to question in the list, but it's closed for needing details/clarity
 
And if anyone hands in that first answer I think the teacher's going to know something is up lol
 
In 2015 maybe, but in 2022 I certainly hope that classes are teaching how to use algorithms before teaching how to write loops manually.
 
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