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1:11 AM
@tink Not sure about the context so this may not apply, but often we don't mention the other language sites when the question was terrible and wouldn't be even close to suitable even if on the correct language site. We don't want to send them crap.
 
2:15 AM
 
@dippas I think it's just too broad, and might even be too broad on codereview.se too. OP doesn't seem to have any clear conception of what "better" entails
 
2:34 AM
@KarlKnechtel what I think is that is off-topic
 
2:45 AM
 
3:09 AM
@RyanM My Portuguese is non-existent, but from the little Spanish I know I thought it might have been usable :)
 
Yeah, I didn't see the question so perhaps it was actually fine
 
3:22 AM
@RyanM actually I take that back ... I can still get to the deleted question, and it's way too broad. Had someone shuffled it across or even pointed him at the Portuguese stackoverflow it would most likely have been closed. The guy was looking for a compiler he could run off a memory stick on a linux machine that isn't his and that he doesn't have admin access to ... Dharman did the right thing :D
 
 
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Is raising an NAA flag on answers to spam OK? (I guess it will be marked helpful when it is deleted along with the parent question, so that's a free flag for those who collect/count such.)
 
the answer should be flagged as spam
and you can't raise two non-moderator flags on the same post, afaik
so, either way, spam or NAA, the user that flagged gets an increment :) but spam should be the way to go
 
5:22 AM
I think Adrian means 'answers to spam questions', not 'spam answers'.
 
@Cristik Why should the answer (in that last SD report) be flagged as spam? It's just a misguided user...
 
argh... misread your question :p I read "spam answers"
not "answers to spam"
 
Anyway, my NAA was marked "helpful" (as I expected). As I earned a "declined" flag recently, I need lots of cheap, helpful flags to rebuild my stats. :-)
 
but the last SD report doesn't have an answer, and the question doesn't look like spam, maybe we're looking at differed SD reports :)
 
See the linked answer ... it was the previous SD post (now removed).
 
5:26 AM
ok, saw the answer, well it depends on what want to obtain with the flag
the user is unlikely to get educated via a NAA flag on theyr answer
 
Ultimately, such a flag is rather pointless - the whole shebang will quickly be deleted in cases of such obvious spam questions.
 
as the answer will likely get deleted along with the spam question, before someone sees it in the review queue
 
Yes NAA on something that's not an answer is always acceptable regardless of where it's located. Though I'd say the NAA is absolutely unnecessary there as it is going to be handled by deletion in conjunction with the question being removed.
 
... but I need the statistics, so it's not unnecessary. ;-)
 
Looking at it another way, however, on the off chance a spam flag were declined on the question you'd still want the answer to be handled so the flag would be needed in that case (though this was clearly not such a case)
I mean flag something else. There's no shortage of flaggable posts
 
5:31 AM
My recent "declined" knocked me back down to 99.76% (from 99.77). I'm still looking to get to 99.8%, so I can get Sam's "Green Flag".
 
5:58 AM
@AdrianMole Why do you want Sam's green flag? Poor Sam will be left without a green flag if you do that.
 
@cigien He mass-produces them. I mean, even rene has one, apparently. ;-P
 
:)
But seriously, 99.76% isn't something to be scoffed at. Do you really care if it drops to that number?
 
Not really. But I do like to have 'targets' ... and Sam set the t/hold for the Green Flagger Flag to 99.80%, so I have a vague interest in that. But I don't go chasing flags just for that. Lately, most of the flags I raise are from reviews; I do sometimes pop into SOBotics, where I can easily clock up 20 or 30 NAAs in a few hours.
 
That's reasonable. I can certainly appreciate having a target to aim for. 99.80% is a bit high IMO, but it's not a terrible incentive I guess.
 
Yeah. I agree that it's a very high ratio. My concern is that, being set so high, it may deter people from flagging posts because they 'fear' they may get declined. Which really isn't the point of flags. Generally, if I think a post is worthy of a flag (be it NAA or a custom flag), then I will flag it. The fact that, of late, I have only a very few declined suggests that I am doing things (mostly) correctly.
 
6:16 AM
@KarlKnechtel just a heads up that this answer is plagiarized from some website
I flagged it as such
that's why it uses the word "article"
 
6:29 AM
@blackgreen good call; I'd be more comfortable flagging if I had a URL
oh, that was trivial to search for. Echoed your flag.
 
yeah I just put the first line in the google search bar -> first result. plagiarizers are lazy, by definition
 
7:02 AM
Heh. Looking at the many answers to this question, does anyone agree that something along the lines of chmod 755 android/gradlew might be vaguely relevant? But, more seriously, how best to handle all those answers that are essentially just repeating the top two? Would a custom flag on the question be appropriate?
 
For mere mortal curators, that batch of answers would swallow up a lot of down- and/or delete- votes.
 
@AdrianMole What does being a Green Flagger grant? Auto-helpful?
 
@blackgreen No idea, really. Possibly a birthday card from Sam, once every 10 years?
 
@AdrianMole can't say no to that
 
7:16 AM
@blackgreen GitHub Link. Seems to be maintained by a dubious-looking bunch.
 
class is .flag-badge.elite
I'm already a BlackGreen Flagger though, not sure if that makes me elite enough. Half-elite maybe?
 
@blackgreen It's a black flag like a pirate's. But the skull and bones are green. At least I hope that's what a blackgreen flagger is.
 
8:09 AM
@blackgreen One green flagger's last declined post flag was in 2019.
 
8:44 AM
> Limited sock must finish till mid August 2022
wondering if limited socks are better or worse than unlimited ones
 
but they can show you at your door step by appointment!
 
8:58 AM
wow, I was called by many names, but being the cancer of SO was not yet one of them :)
 
@Cristik I would have thought you were a Libra
 
@Cristik the annoying thing is that blatantly awful comments like that tend to be killed by user flags without a moderator ever seeing them...
(as that one was)
 
So you can't educate the commenter that cats are mammals and not crustaceans?
 
@JeanneDark Well, in this case I've dug it up and educated the user :-)
 
@RyanM SO moderator misquote: "We mods are annoyed that the community is active in stomping out hate speech"
 
9:06 AM
but ordinarily, yeah, we wouldn't see that despite the user clearly needing a timeout, because they didn't cross the threshold for the autoflag.
@VLAZ lol...lest anyone misinterpret, please still flag rude comments. This is a tooling issue. If you believe the user also needs a warning for a single comment, consider also flagging the post and pointing it out.
and if they keep it up, we'll get an autoflag.
 
Yes, I get it. I was making a joke. But to be clear - I agree it's a problem. Mods should be able to take a look on what the community handled. At the very least, they might be able to spot a pattern (e.g., same user) that the community wouldn't have (because the community handled several individual comments).
 
@VLAZ Yeah, I knew you were joking, but you also raised a valid point that might cause people to hesitate to flag bad stuff. Ultimately, the most important thing is that the toxic comments go away, because it's hard to have an argument if your arguments keep getting deleted :-)
 
10:18 AM
 
10:30 AM
 
 
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11:37 AM
Hi guys, where should I ask for someone to accept my edit request please ?
 
You just wait
 
@JeanneDark thanks
 
12:04 PM
Is there a way to improve this Django question? Django: CSS Is not not working
 
 
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1:53 PM
@Dharman I have given it a grammar/spelling revision
I'm not sure what else you think needs improving
 
"not working" is a poor problem description. I was hoping someone would be able to change this.
But I don't think we actually know what the author meant by "not working"
 
Not applying
if someone says their CSS file is not working it means the styles are not being applied
the question and accepted answer are a decent target for lots of issues people have w/ static CSS in Django
 
But that could be because of cache, wrong specificity, incorrect file path, etc.
 
@Dharman Yes, welcome to
You could replace 'working' with 'applying' in the title but I feel that has slightly worse SEO
 
Should I reopen it?
 
2:04 PM
I would but it's up to you; I don't think it will lose out on any great future answers due to being closed; I think for the most part what's there is what's valuable for that problem
So I wouldn't be particularly bummed if it were left closed, either
I already protected it to prevent from some of the repeat answers that crept in already in the future, in case it gets reopened
@Dharman Think of it this way, if they knew which of those was the cause of their CSS not working/applying, they would not need to ask the question
Ostensibly an F5 is something everyone tries, and such questions get closed/deleted fairly quickly. Wrong specificity would make sense if it was one style rather than an entire stylesheet in this case. Wrong file also would get closed as a dupe or typo summarily, most likely
The issue here is on the Django side, not the CSS side; it has requirements that need to be met for static files to work (and caveats to be aware of like overwriting conflicts)
 
2:21 PM
dear god why is there a tag?!
 
why not
SO is for programming
 
@TylerH you could replace that tag in the sentence with a whole lot more and it'd still made sense
the that these tags will stop popping up is extremely low
 
dbc
2:46 PM
For experts, is there a good duplicate for this? Display part of a variable IN PHP. Looks like they just need substr()
Huh. embedded tags like [tag:php] only get replaced to tag links when a chat message doesn't contain a new line.
Example:
[tag:php]
 
@dbc formatting doesn't work on multi-line messages
 
dbc
Is that a known bug?
or not a bug?
 
I don't know if it technically is a bug or not but it's always been that way
 
@TylerH Chat has always been broken and always will remain so.
 
3:06 PM
@dbc Just google for "how to get a substring to specific character in PHP" and I am sure there's plenty.
However, I don't know if that question should be closed as a dupe
 
dbc
I wasn't sure either (not an SME) which is why I didn't vote to close, or submit a proper cv-pls here. Looks like it got closed anyway as being unclear.
 
jps
3:23 PM
Is there a bug in the question editor? Quite often I see something like this when two images are added, that the second [enter image description here] destroys the first link. here is another very similar example.
And I have seen this many times, all very similar.
 
Either bugged or bad UX.
 
dbc
Maybe something with drag-and-drop? < 10-rep users can't embed an image so images get dropped as links, then when they drop the second image, they drop it in the middle of the text of the first link -- which would not have been possible if the image was embedded?
And of course such questions tend to be sloppy anyway so the querent never fixes the problem.
 
jps
of course, that's the other miracle. If the question already looks like turd in the preview, what kind of wonder do they expect to happen when they click to submit?
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@dbc Have a star for use of a good word. :)
@jps And one for use of a bad word. :(
 
jps
is there a badge for using good/bad words in chat? Maybe bronze for the 1st, silver for 25 and gold for 100 bad good/words?
 
3:34 PM
You'd have to disqualify the mods, though.
 
@jps No, stuff like this happens when you highlight text and click the insert image button
it inserts it where you have the cursor placed
if you have selected or accidentally clicked in the middle of one of the URLs for a linked image like this, and insert another one, it'll break it in this manner
So, it's just a case of the user not paying attention to what they were doing.
 
jps
ok, sounds like a good explanation. I'm just surprised how often it happens and how the OPs don't pay attention and just post it as it is. As a programmer (even as a beginner), you should see that there's something wrong.
 
Yes unfortunately a depressing number of people don't value doing a good job at anything :-(
 
dbc
4:10 PM
Suddenly offline for maintenance
And back.
 
lies
 
Does this answer not look a bit spammy?
 
@tripleee I don't follow the close reason. That doesn't look like a general computing question. OP is trying to write code, and the code isn't working.
 
@JeanneDark Concur. The link is in the profile too.
 
And like every good spammer they got the Autobiographer badge
 
4:58 PM
@KevinB Everything's a lie if you time it right
 
dbc
5:11 PM
What was fogbugz.stackexchange.com? Did Stack Overflow make money hosting paid-for company-specific Q&A fora in the past?
Please bin this cv-pls, the querent edited the question to include code.
 
@dbc → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@dbc Yes: Stack Exchange 1.0. I hadn't heard of that particular site, but fogbugz was developed by the same company that SO itself was spun out of, so it's very possible that they had a special deal.
 
6:27 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis dumped a bunch of dupes on that
 
6:42 PM
 
@dbc the founder of FogBugz is the same founder of SO, Joel Spolsky. If you don't know about Joel Spolsky's blog, I highly recommend it.
there's many articles that in 2022 may look ancient, but the software engineering principles he talks about are evergreen
 
@blackgreen There are many articles that should appear ancient but are painfully still the case to this day. E.g., the Joel test
 
6:57 PM
my employer scores a meager 8 on the Joel test
 
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Was thinking of using R/A on this answer. Seems like trolling or something to me. Thoughts?
 
one of my all-time favorites from Joel's blog is the post about unicode. this one
 
7:09 PM
@cigien they want their program to work but the problem is outside their program; you can't force somebody's mail server to carry traffic the admin set up a policy to disallow
 
@GeneralGrievance I'm going with R/A on that, personally. No guarantee that the mod handling it will agree though.
 
Seems a few others have agreed at least. Just wanted to see if it was supposed to be a comment on something that I missed.
 
I looked, but can't see any comment, or anything else on the post that it could be a response to.
@tripleee True, but that doesn't make the question itself general computing, does it? I vaguely recall something about post hoc reasons like that not being applicable. I'll see if I can find a reference for that.
 
@cigien Same. I thought it might have been a joke response to something but it's not. At least not on that question.
 
7:41 PM
@tripleee This comment, and also this one is kind of what I was thinking of. They're just chat messages, so not exactly a reference, but I'm not finding anything on Meta, unfortunately. (I haven't looked very hard though).
 
@GeneralGrievance Yeah, definitely agreed. They self-deleted it seconds before I hit the nuke button, so I'm gonna leave them with a mod redeletion and all the downvotes, but not bother with a red flag nuke.
It got 3 R/A flags and 3 NAA flags.
 
8:05 PM
@RyanM that works too, thanks!
 
8:20 PM
@jps it continues to boggle my mind that people look at that and think "yep, not gonna edit that. Looks good to me."
 
I often find myself wanting to fix it for them, and then leaving a comment. But I fear that I've reached the learned helplessness phase.
 
8:54 PM
 
jps
@IanCampbell sometimes I also leave a comment asking them if they think it looked ok, but seems they have been happy with the result. Yeah, why not
or a more extreme case here Sometimes, it's simply not possible to fix it
 
9:15 PM
@jps I dunno enter code here that looks `` fine to enter code here me.
@jps HOW?!
 
wut
 
jps
I know, I'm probably a bit too pedantic when it comes to code formatting...
 
@RyanM I'll take that as a "yes" :')
 
@MarcoBonelli Custom flags are good for that sort of thing, because they persist past deletion and make sure a moderator sends the person the warning.
We have a lovely wall of text that says "an answer cannot be just a link to your blog" in many different ways.
 
Ah interesting that they persist past deletion, never thought about that. IDK If a custom flag would be good for such a post though. Aren't custom flags that should have simply been NAA or spam declined?
@RyanM so that clearly falls under link-only NAA (of course), would it also be considered spam?
 
9:32 PM
Well, this wouldn't be simply NAA, so we wouldn't decline it for that reason. If you custom-flag blatant spam that needs immediate nuking we might decline that. For mere undisclosed affiliation, custom flags are good because they're not so urgent.
@MarcoBonelli it would, since it doesn't disclose the affiliation. That said, spam flags that are a puzzle for moderators to figure out the reason for are...disfavored. Although this one's pretty obvious.
 
Better be really not so urgent; I have a custom flag from June 8th (please don't go looking for it--it's not important).
I mostly haven't retracted it just to monitor the custom flag queue length.
 
@IanCampbell wow that's the longest I've seen a flag wait
Nice meta gaming move
 
@IanCampbell 226 at the moment
I've had flags wait longer than a month:-p
My current oldest flag is May 31st, and is in fact another undisclosed affiliation flag.
 
You're not helping your own argument.
 
i have 0 flags pending
 
9:47 PM
I have 2 flags pending LOL
 
To be fair, sock puppet flags are harder to investigate.
 
not really, just delete the accounts
;P
 
Vote for me, I promise to delete all alleged sock puppets without even looking.
 
whoever doesn't vote for me is a sock
 
Assuming there's no conflict of interest, I think it's only fair you clean up your own pending flags when you're called up.
 
9:52 PM
I cast them after
 
Yeah, I have 13 pending flags.
All of which I cast after being called up.
The queue was briefly empty shortly after the callups.
 
I only handled 8 flags today
but I deleted more accounts
 
10:08 PM
where do I check my pending flags?
 
@KarlKnechtel https://stackoverflow.com/users/flag-summary/<user id>?group=1&status=1
 
oh, this is the page I get to from the 'your recent flag was declined' warning. Is there supposed to be any other way to get to it in the UI?
 
@KarlKnechtel you can get to that by clicking on the "Helpful Flags" number in the Impact box in the Summary section of the Activity tab of your profile
 
@KarlKnechtel Yes, on the profile page, you can click the number of helpful flags that is oh-so-clearly a clickable item.
 
good lord that's undiscoverable.
what is with the site's aversion to UI affordances?
(and why are some links underlined while most are not?)
 
10:21 PM
@KarlKnechtel FWIW, review bans used to be the same way until last year. "Surprise! You're review banned!"
 

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