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1:41 AM
@RyanM Something else to consider here would be reading flow. If we look at a language like Japanese (for example) there's minimal to no height variation between characters. So following the differentiation can feel unfamiliar just from a natural flow perspective. Japanese would be most similar in height to all caps. e.g. 上位の質問 is closer to TOP QUESTIONS than it is to Top Questions.
Beyond this we also have mixed input methods. If using a QWERTY keyboard to type in Japanese (which is extremely common), lowercase characters will try to map to Japanese kana when possible, where as upper case do not. Typing English words in all caps is often easier than changing between the various input modes.
 
(TIL 上位, including pronunciation. the meaning was clear enough from the individual kanji, and from context, but I didn't know the word)
 
@HenryEcker It seems to me, though, that Japanese characters have a lot of shape variation...but I guess in a similar way to capital letters.
 
@RyanM there's no accounting for taste. I like the sharp, distinct corners of katakana, but almost every Japanese learner I've encountered seems to have the opposite view
 
@HenryEcker doesn't that result in fullwidth/halfwidth characters rather than normal latin letters? Or have input methods fixed that in the decade since I last tried that?
 
Yes, shape differentiation definitely, but not very much height differentiation which is to the point of all caps.
Standard roman characters on most modern machines from my experience
 
1:44 AM
If I turn on my IDE (Mozc under Linux Mint/Cinnamon) and type in caps, I get TESTING.
Lowercase gives てsちんg.
 
@KarlKnechtel It's just what スタック・オーバーフローのホーム uses so that's just what I went with.
@KarlKnechtel Yeah. That's exactly the issue I was talking about with lowercase input when using QWERTY keyboards for non-roman alphabets
 
@KarlKnechtel s/IDE/IME/?
 
@KarlKnechtel That can't be deleted for 2 days.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (invalid request)
 
2:00 AM
@cigien @KarlKnechtel you have to be careful will the reopen reclose because it resets the deletion eligibility. I've made that mistake a few times.
Sorry for the ping there, I can't reply to the initial chat message now that its been moved
 
Ah, I didn't notice that. Yeah, I did the same thing several times just after getting a hammer, before realizing I could just edit the duplicate list instead.
 
2:12 AM
Hmmmmm
 
@HenryEcker yeaaaah I'm just deleting it.
 
Just ever so slightly dodgy....
 
They can try again without the profanity if they're serious.
 
I.... they can't be serious.... The error message clearly indicates what's expected and what string is being recieved....
 
(context for anyone wondering what we're talking about)
@HenryEcker yeah the fact that they self-answered at the same time suggests they do in fact know this.
 
2:16 AM
Yeah, it was seeing the self-answer on site (not visible on MS) that made me inclined to flag.
 
@cigien ...and as a moderator, I've made this mistake when changing close reasons. ^^;
 
@RyanM Ah. I didn't even process that that was an answer. My brain didn't process the "when testing two strings for equality and they're not equal just change one to match the other" as a real answer to that question...
 
2:29 AM
@HenryEcker Ah true. Er, I think I'll abandon trying to go through this list, then. It seems like cs95 initially dupe-hammered a ton of vaguely JSON-related debugging requests with what was presumably imagined to be an all-purpose "how do I manipulate JSON data" reference (which I don't think we can get away with making, and that question certainly doesn't qualify
@RyanM why can't we have nice things. Honestly, it's better that these questions all get deleted even if the process is abusive via the invalid hammering
 
@KarlKnechtel Yeah. I don't disagree with changing the duplicate targets there. I was just saying that if the post needs to be deleted then reopening and reclosing is going to slow down that process. If you can edit the the duplicates list directly that's preferable in most cases.
 
yeah
those ones aren't a problem, the problem is the ones that are really just a typo
Maybe I should just flag them?
The list I was working from: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/48193502?lq=1
naturally, not all of them are bad
 
@KarlKnechtel That sounds reasonable to me, but I'd like to hear from Python SMEs...might pop that one in the Python room.
 
I also think that'd be a really good merge. Especially because the answers on the closed Q are much more detailed.
 
3:04 AM
Is SO laggy as heck for anyone else?
 
@RyanM You mean more than usual I assume?
 
Usually it's not laggy...I mean, well, lately it has lagspikes but most things happen quickly...
 
I am not experiencing any extra lag than the normal laggyness that has been occurring lately in general.
 
(what's causing SD posts to get removed?)
 
@KarlKnechtel If you're talking about SD deleting its own posts when the post is deleted that would be DeletionWatcher
 
3:14 AM
what I was looking for is "it happens because the underlying post was deleted" actually :)
ultimate cause, rather than mechanism
 
3:25 AM
@KarlKnechtel that's correct, yeah. It also deletes them if a privileged user replies here with "fp" or other aliases for that, but that basically never happens.
Also sometimes I delete them myself if the deletion watcher doesn't catch them when I'm dumping posts in the chat :-p
like that one, I deleted that.
 
3:59 AM
remind me again what the process is for getting duplicate answers deleted from a question? custom flag? And then I have to rely on a moderator being a SME?
 
@KarlKnechtel Custom flag, yeah. Most duplicate answers are obvious to non-SMES (see, e.g., everything I deleted off this question) - are these particularly subtle duplicates?
You can also use the flag text to explain any subtleties - e.g., "npm i is just an alias for npm install, so this is the same as [link]"
CSS SMEs: some users in the comments on this question believe it's not a dupe, and one says they have an answer ready if it's reopened. Personally, I'm not sure due to lack of expertise. Thoughts?
 
 
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7:51 AM
why the search operator code:"<something>" returns irrelevant results
 
because SE search sucks isn't very good.
 
it absolutely does not find the code pattern, if it doesn't exist it'd be better to just return no results at all.
not very good? it's almost useless
>:(
 
maybe don't use " ?
Use SEDE instead
 
but the search help says to use the quotes... sigh
actually without the quotes it returns stuff that is slightly more relevant, still not the exact pattern I want
@rene ugh.. is there a meta thread somewhere about finding code with sede?
 
@blackgreen I've forked the query from this answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/363747/… and created this one: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1591052/… to search kind of inside code blocks
 
8:01 AM
outstanding!
thanks a lot
 
 
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9:56 AM
with WebPage.c in vb 6.0 c++ thing ???
 
yeah ... you know, with java and script as well ...
 
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10:58 AM
@rene OP confirmed with an edit on the deleted question: i am using vb 6.0 c++ for who asking about programming language
 
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11:57 AM
@blackgreen there are certain characters that cause it to do that. I'm slowly working on figuring out how it works, with the goal of writing a meta post eventually
 
12:37 PM
@bad_coder Yeah.
 
 
1:41 PM
 
@bad_coder on top of that debugging details. pictures are not an acceptable substitute to provide those.
 
What if it's pictures of cats?
 
Migrate to pets.se
 
2:01 PM
only if those are ugly cats. Otherwise I might get diabetes (I'm asian)
 
2:12 PM
@tacoshy lol you get diabetes from sugars, you must mean chocolate cats?
@tacoshy perhaps keeping cat posts around SO would make it better, according to this study: Watching funny cat videos at work can boost your productivity according to study
 
2:27 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels This looks like spam to me
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, you're probably right
 
"Copied with permission from"
But no relation to anything in the question
 
@bad_coder no because I get a sugar shock from cuteness. In addition to that I get hungry when watching cute cats and must eat -> raises my sugar level even more.
@JeanneDark yeah as said already, no connection to the question, no relation and as such fails to at least attempt the question. With the text and linking I would consider this advertising too.
 
But what of the Yoga API that's available for Google Visualization - especially designed for work/life balance pie charts.
@tacoshy But we can't put cats in pies, or even in pie charts.
 
Is a useful tag? Looks somewhat meta to me.
 
2:41 PM
@AdrianMole cat in pie? => meat pie *yummy :P
 
@JeanneDark and also inherently recommendation
 
Thanks
 
the whole question is flawed to start with. Its purely opion-based
IS SO having issues atm?
I get frequently a 404 page that SO is having maintenance
 
I got it briefly as well just now
 
Same - tried to edit a post and I had to wait 15 seconds or so for that to open.
 
2:53 PM
@tripleee I would say general computing over debugging details
 
3:18 PM
is there a way to check who reviewed before me in a review queue? I had multiple reviews where an editor tried to include pictures directly instead of a link it was always declined as causing harm
 
@tacoshy check your previous reviews
 
thank you both. Then next question is, is it the right reject reason to reject an image containing code lines as "causing harm". IMHO it should be rejected only because it fails to improve the question but does not actively cause harm.
 
3:34 PM
Did the reviewer leave a useful rejection message?
 
Something like "Images containing code should not be included directly" - Which I agree with but believe "causing harm" is the wrong option. Don't get me wrong I don't want to blackmail the reviewer just wondering if it is just me or actually the wrong reject reason to pick.
 
4:30 PM
@tacoshy it is the only option a reviewer has to include more specific guidance for the editor. If a reviewer feels none of the stock reasons apply, they only can go for causing harm. Now: if the guidance isn't adding anything useful then I would say picking causing harm is the wrong option but if the reviewer really tries to educate the editor on improving, the option " causing harm " is fine.
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4:47 PM
@rene I see so the "causing harm" is used in this case to write a message/info to the editor not because it actually causes harm. Thank you for the explanation. Much appreciated!
 
yw
 
5:36 PM
@RyanM I was asking more or less in general. thanks for the confirmation, I mostly am just a little annoyed that it isn't something the community can do themselves. Although I can see reasons why
 
Looks R/A to me
 
@KarlKnechtel Just a reminder to avoid discussing users in this room. Discussions about users posting spam/R/A can be had in Charcoal HQ instead.
 
thanks
 
 
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@tacoshy you're linking to a comment?
 
8:58 PM
@tink thank you for pointing it out but the question has been closed - So I wont bother to correct it anymore
 
Heh. All good.
 
anyone else has those moments when you get really active to solve problems at SO but to lazy to solve your own private coding projects?
 
yes
 
 
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