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@IanCampbell I use definition #1 for "accept", not definition #2, as given in OED.
That is, I've accepted/received it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree that it is valid or correct.
Oh, that's fun. I look forward to reading the transcript of your deposition when something comes up. =P
Indeed.
Why anyone would want to rules-lawyer a rules-lawyer is beyond me.
00:47
@StephenOstermiller Interestingly, there is a limit on the number of posts of your own which you can edit in a day.
There's an autoflag, right? There's a hard limit past that?
@CodyGray IMO, that's the only reasonable interpretation of that line in the contract. Given the wording of the other sentences, that must mean something other than that the moderator will "abide" by the "additional guidance given by members of the Stack Exchange, Inc. Community Team and Senior Leadership Team".
@IanCampbell It's a hard limit. You can't edit more than 10 of your own posts in a single day
@IanCampbell There's a hard limit.
(ninja'd) :)
@Makyen Good, good. I'll put you down as a corroborating witness.
00:51
Ah, thanks. Is it possible there's an exception for your recently posted answers? I feel like I've edited more than 10 posts in a day.
Yes. Yes I was
You ruined it.
Your diamond can fix it I'm sure
@IanCampbell Yes edits on posts that were created the same day don't count towards the limit of 10 IIRC
How else was I supposed to get that stupid 10 accepted answers in one day hat in 2021?
00:53
Luckily my sock puppet can edit as many of my posts as I want.
That "Too many requests" screenshot triggers me, recalling all of the times I've seen it involuntarily.
And what is up with the "3 seconds between opening the flag dialog"? I hit that all the time when I can't decide if I want to flag something or not. Is that even something that hits the server? Why would that need a limit.
Seems like the easy loophole is: 1) Delete post, 2) Edit Post, 3) Undelete post. Surely they didn't leave that in there.
I guess it only gets you an additional 5 per day.
@StephenOstermiller Yes. That's server side. You get a 419 response back with the message.
That's also true of the 5s flag rate limit as well
@StephenOstermiller Pro tip: leave the flag dialog open while deciding.
But yeah, the flag dialog is actually loaded upon request and returned by the server, so it's rate-limited. I'm not sure why this is the case, rather than just sending the HTML for it with each page-load. Presumably at some point someone thought that it was an optimization that would reduce the size of the data sent with each page load?
00:58
That messes with my decisions process. I can't decide properly if I can't click wildly to open and close rapidly.
It's also that the options in the dialogue change at a moment by moment basis.
But they don't?
Well other than that guy Henry who keeps wanting to change them
An answer that has score 0 is eligible for a VLQ flag. If it gets an upvote that's no longer a flag option.
They can change, based on the state of the post.
As an example
00:59
@CodyGray Or it could be loaded when first opened and cached client side.
@CodyGray Yeah... I don't really know what's happening with that now.
Oh also the number of remaining flags/close votes is also on that dialogue. Which can change even while on the same page when flagging multiple posts or comments. The remaining number of delete votes is shipped with the page and it can be super confusing because the number of remaining votes can become incorrect when voting to delete multiple posts on the same page or across tabs.
 
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03:17
@HenryEcker If only they had an existing way of pushing live updates to the client...
03:29
@CodyGray Sure, but in that regard it's six of one, half dozen of the other.
I wasn't particularly passing any comment whatsoever on the actual design decision. I was only responding to the question of why they might be fetching it from the server instead of shipping it with the page.
I generally agree that it's a poor user experience for many users. I also don't have any idea why it would be subject to such specific rate limits. Other than the "we want you to think about each flag you cast" thing I've seen float around a few times people bring up reducing the limit. (Which I find to be a ridiculous argument, because how long I need to determine something is flaggable is certainly < 5s in most cases)
03:46
@HenryEcker That, to me, is an argument for the flagging rate limit, not the "load the flag dialog" rate limit.
04:02
@AdrianMole It only takes one...
 
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hmmm. chat message deletion works. Websockets acting up again?
I've been having issues as well with pages not auto-refreshing properly, intermittently (including chat, on one occasion).
@RyanM I'm not sure what you're asking. Your "poof" worked. That one was deleted.
@Makyen Sorry, very tired. My musing should be more explicit. I was surprised that the chat messages weren't auto-deleted as I nuked the posts, since I waited for them to be reported before nuking them. It seems the deletion watcher isn't aware of the deletion, since the deletions aren't showing up in MS either (e.g., metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/373744).
The "poof" was a lazy way of testing if there was a bug with chat message deletion again, which it confirmed that there was not.
Unfortunately, that's about the limit of my ability to troubleshoot the problem.
Technically, I did not actually check that the MS report was created before the nuke hit; however, I was slow enough that I'd expect it to have been for at least one.
Well, it did work for 1. Given the information we have, I'd suspect that the issue is in the allspam command. At a guess, allspam isn't passing the posts to the DeletionWatcher, but I haven't looked at the code.
oh, interesting observation and good spot. That makes sense; I missed that difference.
06:39
Can someone with 20k fix the typo in this wiki. OP spelled Deamon as demon. (I already checked for plagiarism and didn't find anything obvious, it's mostly about the typo.)
06:59
@bad_coder Demon and daemon are the same thing, though, so it's not really wrong.
They're just alternate Latinized forms of the Greek δαίμων (daimôn).
... so I guess it depends on whether you consider your mailer daemon a good thing or an evil thing.
@AdrianMole To quote myself from a super-seekrit message straight from the mod room: "I hate emails." So, I guess you know where I stand on that one. :-)
> If you don't want to answer the question dont comment, Stackoverflow is for asking questions and yet all you do is shut them down, What a useless site
So much hyperbole. That's not all we do. I think each of us has answered at least one question!
Currently seeing the new vote buttons. They're so prominent that it almost feels like they really want me to click that downvote button
07:10
Well, don't we?
Why else would people keep posting so many low-quality answers and off-topic questions?
They do it for me?
@CodyGray in IT context I've always seen it written as daemon (Peter Mortenson would likely agree).
07:30
@CodyGray you know, some times I also have to give bogus tasks to my juniors between major projects, to keep 'em busy
@blackgreen But do you ship them?!
lol
I'll admit I don't
hey but they're A/B testing it :D
 
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08:33
@bad_coder Maybe we need to do an A/B test. Leave it as "daemon" for a while, then change it to "dbemon"?
08:45
^ R/A? Or just NAA?
R\A IMO
went with R/A
Good. Thanks for confirming. I voted R/A but got second thoughts afterwards.
@VLAZ R/A is fine for gibberish as it's abuse of SO and its users (and we also want to get rid of it as quickly as possible)
09:11
@VLAZ I was just trying to be humorous! Don't you think calling it R/A would be a bit of a stretch?
09:33
@CodyGray We can't let you make fun of dbemons
 
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@NathanOliver: good morning
stackoverflow.com/posts/71955877/revisions this is vandalism? Edited after two answers were posted
make that three of the answers
The answers seem to be referencing code from the question.. rolled it back
12:48
Smoke detector has ASCII boxes now? It looks cool
Probably another A/B test
13:36
@TylerH @CodyGray Not sure if this is a joke or what but we don't moderate Meta.
Well, Cody does... ;)
14:05
Is this possibly an answer?
@JeanneDark I don't think so. It's just saying that the answer from "curious" (which it copies) doesn't work, is not?
Thanks, that's also my impression. But some people may consider it a partial answer.
I'm not partial to that opinion. :)
14:35
@TylerH I must admit that I assumed it was a joke combined with an expression of frustration regarding that probable change to the site.
But, you're correct that, as a request, it's not something which we permit.
as long as the new buttons don't come with the dialog from downvoting an article, I can't care less
FWIW I am writing a userscript at the moment to revert the change
but because I don't ever write JS I am slow
15:10
@TylerH The buttons change? Does it need a userscript? Can it be a userstyle instead?
@VLAZ No, because the buttons are SVGs that have size attributes set, you need JS to fully revert it
Yeah, there is also a bunch of styles that make it circular and stuff. I just checked. Uh.
Yep
@VLAZ I've got it back to this so far: i.sstatic.net/AKLzu.png
Just need to do hover styles next I think
15:30
stackoverflow.com/a/72745287/4826457 originally link to another answer.. Now copy pasted code from link. Still NAA?
The other answer there also looks like VLQ to me
@TylerH Looks good
15:50
ugh, and it's made more difficult because, yet again, they are using !important instead of proper specificity to apply styles
facedesk
16:01
At first, I thought this was spam, or even an audit. But it's just completely off the mark and nothing to do with the actual question ...
@AdrianMole Are you sure it's not spam? Reads like one.
Well, if it is spam, it's not very effective. But, I agree that it reads like spam.
... and it's been around for 2 days without an "edit-in" link or company name.
... it might possibly qualify for R/A, but I just went with a delete vote.
It's bizarre. I tried to google some of the sections of the text. But nothing comes up. I'm sure it's copy and pasted from somewhere, though.
At least, I sincerely hope the user didn't just write all of that by hand after landing on the question about not bonded warehouses.
Alas, there is no (red) "Bizarre Answer" flag. Maybe a feature-request for one on Meta?
Looks like failed spam to me.
16:07
OK, think I got it mostly set: i.sstatic.net/ULf00.png
Well, if I were a mod I wouldn't decline either spam or R/A flags on it.
Overall, I would assess it as a seriously misguided new user. Maybe they thought it was a warehouse question on a stock overflow site?
I'm extremely certain that it's plagiarized but slightly obfuscated using some sort of program that simplifies or otherwise synonymizes select terms.
That said, handling it as you mention would probably be the correct, and gentle, way to do it.
@AdrianMole Fair enough. It's also a mistake I do all the time - asking programming questions on a website for stocks.
... and there's that Bigfoot fellow, who's a moderator on Sock Overflow. xD
I hear our mods have a grudge against that site. Not sure what caused the bad blood there.
16:16
@VLAZ Not exactly. They appear to have just posted a quora answer they'd written that day, on an SO question that had the word warehouse in it.
Well we're all about reuse here. And that's re-using the answer. It's more valuable that way, right?
OK, can someone tell me why my .js file is not autodetected by ViolentMonkey when I click the 'view raw' option? github.com/Tyler-H/SO-UserScripts/blob/master/…
@TylerH That's a .js file not a .user.js file
18:07
@HenryEcker thanks
18:31
Oops, locked my vote in on a downvote on a random post due to changing it too many times
oh well, SO's fault for making me have to develop userscripts to fix their UI
it probably deserved it
well, it was at -2 already
and it was closed, partially by me
but OP edited their code in after I closed it
so I have a reopen vote on it currently, since that's why I voted to close it in the first place
didn't particularly feel like upvoting the question but certainly feel like downvoting it is harmful. honestly I probably should have moved questions every few vote-tests while writing the user script
which, PS, is at stackapps now, if you want to tell me how bad my JS sucks
18:57
Did anyone notice Juan M left in March?
@Vega Can this be reopened? You're a closer, but I don't have enough SME to reopen: stackoverflow.com/questions/72734211/…
@bad_coder No I did not notice
I would image that Juan M noticed. :)
I guess es.so is now fully armed and operational
yesterday, by Machavity
@tacoshy Welcome to SOCVR, where the mods sometimes beat you to the punch
19:18
@TylerH I was wondering because he was one of the oldest CMs and also the only native Spanish speaker.
maybe bad management snuck into his job finally?
19:44
@TylerH Are you following this question? This is the second repeat answer we've cleared from this Q&A.
Or maybe you're passionate about Azure active directory?
19:57
@IanCampbell I am
Also though I'm not passionate about it, I have run into that specific error before.
I didn't notice the previous SOCVR-deleted answer, actually
I also closed half a dozen questions as dupes of it (notice the linked questions list)
It's the same 3 of us too, 3 months later. At least we're consistent.
heh, indeed
maintaining a canonical for the error I think will be useful since it's a common issue for anyone trying to use AAD apps
Meh, I think that was abusive enough.
20:52
Is is possible for somebody to open my question back up in Stack Overflow? stackoverflow.com/questions/72737311/… I made it more focused now
Hi Ender, first the question would need some substantial editing to make it more clear what the problem is, and what web framework you're using.
Posting the code you're using to make the page would also likely help.
@Ender Your edit has already put the question into the Reopen Votes queue, where reviewers will assess its suitability for reopening. The rules of this room do not allow you to ask for this action on one of your own questions. But also note what Ian Campbell has said.
@IanCampbell Just did that. Does it look good now?
@AdrianMole Then what other chat room would I ask this question?
Hmm. If you just want to ask what you can do to make it better, then I suppose that's OK (but I'm not one of the Room's Owners). It's just that actually asking for any of us to actually reopen it is not allowed.
What the heck was that SmokeDetector post?
Also is my post better now @AdrianMole?
21:02
@Ender It's a bot that looks for spam and posts what it finds in here (and some other rooms), so that we can flag it, if we think it's spam.
I've reviewed a couple of your other questions. I see that you've used python in the past. If you're creating the webpage in question with python, you need to let us know what python module (ie django or whatever) to make the webpage.
You also need to provide more details on exactly how the page looks currently and how you'd like it to change.
@IanCampbell This is not my website, it is a video game diep.io.
Sounds like your question is not on-topic for Stack Overflow then.
Why not?
21:18
@Ender I encourage you to have another look at the help center and particularly the on-topic section. I won't be able to provide any more assistance with regards to your current question.
21:32
Can someone check out this answer, please? It appears to be a dupe of the main answer, and it starts with "For teh lulz". Not sure what to flag it as, but it should probably be deleted
@cocomac The term "lulz" is frequently (though not always) used by those (trolls) who think it's funny to post offensive or rude comments, etc. So, probably, an R/A flag may be warranted ... assuming our mods understand urban slang.
... at the very best (even with my "be really nice" and "be naïve" hats on), it should be a comment on the top answer.

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