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@MarcoBonelli That's an objectively invalid closure. People voted to close it either as a recommendation question or as general computing, but both are clearly wrong. The rules, as has been noted, say you can't post it in here, but, if it doesn't get reopened through the normal procedure, posting that on Meta or somewhere else where I or another mod would have seen it would be totally appropriate.
@AdrianMole That moderator would tell you that those questions all need to be tagged , and that that failure is the reason they lack proper syntax highlighting. The solution isn't to put a band-aid on the gushing wound.
00:35
@CodyGray agree and that's what I was expecting, thanks for the feedback Cody
@Machavity ok that makes sense
00:46
@MarcoBonelli Glad it got handled appropriately already; saves me time. :-)
 
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@CodyGray I don't disagree.
 
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07:36
@AdrianMole I hope not. I haven't the energy tonight to sustain a lengthy defense. :-)
@AlonEitan that one was actually a pretty common dupe...
08:51
Looks like a spam seed? stackoverflow.com/q/72582934/9473764
09:12
Anybody have the link to the (meta?) page where Machavity said if you vote to close as a duplicate and answer the same question then you will raise the ire of moderators?
09:28
@mickmackusa I think the question is not clear. The title says between, the question says within. Isn't that contradictory?
@mickmackusa Here's the canonical, at least in my book. Answer is from Bill the Lizard (former mod), saying that "it's bad form", which is probably as strong of a statement as you're going to get.
There's also this linked question, which contains some good answers, too.
Ah, here we go: this is the droids Machavity answer you're looking for.
Disclaimer: Please note the "TL;DR" ("TL;DR: Please mod flag if you see people doing this."). That means don't link the answer in comments you leave under the answer bullying its poster...
10:03
when reviewing questions can we just edit or up/down vote and click on "Other action" ? what if the question should be closed?
The answer is written only for thankyou.
in that way is my review ok?
10:16
I stumbled into an "interesting" (for me) situation: a user started adding github links to their answers, the answers are high quality, and can stand on their own, and the github links supposedly are used for backup/demo purposes
is this something worth flagging?
the user also started doing this retroactively, adding github links to older answers
@Cristik Do older answers also have documentation links?
looks like promoting own github repo, but on the other hand given the answers are OK, and the links do relate to the content from the answer
Can you share one answer?
@Dharman I request you to remove this answer.
10:22
@SunderamDubey You should flag such answers as "not an answer". That will allow them to be reviewed and deleted. It is not necessary to post them in this room.
@SunderamDubey I'm not here
@CodyGray Ok sir, so I already done that.
@SunderamDubey the links are not documentation, and from what I saw going through few answers, the linked github pages have the same content as the answer
I'd rather not link any of them, I'd rather just discus the situation
They're linking to a relevant GitHub repository, or they're linking to GitHub Pages pages that mirror their answers?
@SunderamDubey again, please use the room's conventions to post a del-pls if you think something deserves to be deleted; but in this case, simply flag as "Not an answer" and wait
10:28
@CodyGray So this action changes from completely innocent to mod flag worthy purely due to an unlocked privilege. Things that make you go "hmm".
@mickmackusa Unlocked privilege?
A hammer.
The event that I find unsettling is this one: stackoverflow.com/a/72553666/2943403 but no hammer was used.
@SunderamDubey Please read the SOCVR FAQ and get acquainted with the rules, especially rule #18: "Pinging moderators for anything that could be handled with a flag is not acceptable, nor is changing the topic of conversation with a moderator to be about a flaggable issue. It is fine to continue a discussion topic introduced by a moderator, even if you beginning that discussion would otherwise not be permitted."
Oh. Ehh.... I don't think the hammer is relevant.
If you don't have a hammer, then you are allowed to vtc and answer. If you have a hammer you may not do both.
10:33
@mickmackusa do you have a reference for this?
I posted some links a few messages back.
I am summarizing cody's recent links to meta
I have occasionally in the past posted a newbie-friendly answer and then hammered as duplicate when I felt it was unlikely that the OP would understand how the canonical was actually an answer to their question
I have, also, occasionally in the past done things that I shouldn't have done.
Leaving a brief comment connecting the dots is generally sufficient. If more than that is needed, I would question the very premise that is a duplicate. At that point, it would be a strongly related question, but if it needs a long-form answer to connect the dots, then a duplicate closure isn't useful to anyone.
You could still close as dupe and add an answer to the dupe target ;)
10:39
Yes, that's true. If the problem is that the main Q&A is insufficiently general or missing a common case, then adding an answer there or editing one of the existing answers to add the missing information is the best course of action.
stackoverflow.com/a/72555253/4826457 isnt this just an error message?
NAA?
@SurajRao Yeah. Or VLQ. Seems incoherent and in need of deletion.
@JeanneDark But why is that tagged ?
@CodyGray It's... possible that they're saying the problem is the use of the <div> elements, as "highlighted" in the image, but... who can say? Hence, "incoherent and in need of deletion".
yeah.. it looked like an image and a stack trace. The bottom 'explanation' is part of a stacktrace. e.g github.com/JedWatson/react-select/issues/2764. So, maybe a different question.
@CodyGray Maybe they want to use it once their OS is finished and running on the capture box?
Oh, maybe. I thought maybe the OS was designed for non-venomous snakes that kill prey by coiling around it and asphyxiating it.
10:49
Usually, the simplest explanation is the correct one: People just add random tags to questions. They got lucky that they didn't choose ..
Now, give Ockham back his razor.
no tagged at least
I Graylisted it.
11:08
@JeanneDark Good reference for putting a lie to that old saw that SO used to be nicer and friendlier than it is today.
Indeed, it has never been nice
Interestingly, it seems close and reopen votes weren't actually tracked permanently back then like they are now.
I can't see who voted to reopen that question.
and all the close votes are clearly synthesized into the history to have occurred the moment the question was closed.
For those interested, SO is currently hiring for several roles that would impact us. See all listings here. Of note are several "Software Developer, Public Platform" (senior and non-senior levels) positions (under the "Engineering" section on the page), Senior Information Architect, Community Products, and Director of Product, Innovation.
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There was also, recently, an "Associate Community Manager" position on the "Trust & Safety" team, but it was removed a few days ago. Maybe someone who has a LinkedIn account can "see who Stack Overflow has hired for this role"?
11:29
Having someone dedicated to information architecture sounds great.
@CodyGray Not readily. Without "Premium" membership, I can just see that there were 51 applicants and that they are no longer accepting new applications.
I believe that they stopped accepting applications because they got quite a lot.
@RyanM Yeah, I had actually expected that to be Taryn's replacement, but it looks more like a UX position? I don't know, I'm not up on my buzzwords like "information architecture".
@AdrianMole Well, that link text is mighty misleading, then, isn't it?!
... and that Stack Overflow has "200 - 501" employees.
Looks like LinkedIn may be in need of an "information architect".
@AdrianMole That's an absurd amount, given what we can see. Of course, it also includes the salespeople they have, which they have a ton of.
11:31
As someone who's criticized the information architecture of some of their new designs, I'd be quite happy for it to improve.
As someone who's criticized every aspect of the site's brokenness, I'd be quite happy for it to improve, too. ;-)
12:20
Maybe I should apply for the job...
@CodyGray I agree. Here is a recent case where the asker was using recursion, the dupe target was implementing a recursive approach, but I also commented to say that recursion was not necessary for their sample data. (There was no need to post an answer) stackoverflow.com/q/72568602/2943403
13:04
Maybe there should be a canonical dupe-target for non-nul-terminated strings?
13:21
> and finding anything on todays garbage internet dumpster is just impossible... this civilisation is heading to end, really...
^ from an NAA
One of the primary rules (pre-requisites, even) for the existence of civilization is being able to easily find things on the Internet. It's one of the long-standing mysteries of science and history how civilizations ever existed before Al Gore invented the Internet.
@CodyGray That's reasonable - especially in the particular case in point. ;)
Did Al Gore use his new invention to discover that Kim Jong-Un invented the hamburger?
@CodyGray It didn't. All pre-Internet history is just fabrication. First the Internet was created, then civilisation emerged.
14:16
"You haven't voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!" gets annoying after a while
After a while? It's annoying the first time too...
Perhaps there's a userscript to take care of it?
I guess I was patient
I especially dislike getting it in review queues which only have answers.
 
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(function () {
'use strict';

StackExchange.ready(() => {
const showToast = StackExchange.helpers.showToast;
StackExchange.helpers.showToast = (message, config) => {
if (message !== 'You haven&#39;t voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!') {
showToast(message, config);
}
};
});
}());
Something like that works.
 
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@CodyGray This might be fun
@ZoestandswithUkraine Didn't you see the small-print clause, at the bottom, that says, Current and former Stack Overflow moderators need not apply.
20:27
Didn't mean for me anyway
But I'm still curious as to what a "Customer Success Manager" does when there ain't no customer success. xD
I also have reservations about working for a US-based company, largely because the "benefits" are worse than my country's legally mandated minimum. And some other reasons, but that's already aside the point; I meant more like when the fallout starts showing up
At least if their current track record continues with the new hires as well
Maybe a "Customer Failure Manager" would be more appropriate.
20:56
... Should we close this question as "Not reproducible"? The "joke" (or whatever it was) is no longer present in the linked documentation.
21:24
@ZoestandswithUkraine If a company hires you with you in your country, then they have to meet the legal minimums for your country. There are companies which have as their business model that they will deal with all the legal requirements to actually employ the people in various countries, or even states in the US. The company that gets the work performed by the people then contracts with the company which is the actual employer for the work of the individuals.
@ZoestandswithUkraine It's possible for a company to do it themselves. Large companies do so. However, knowing and meeting the employment laws in each jurisdiction is a significant amount of work, requires substantial legal understanding of the local requirements, and can have a requirement that the company have a real presence in the jurisdiction, which may or may not be permitted to be just the single employee.
What all those requirement are varies a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So, even companies which have being the in-between company as their entire business model will typically limit themselves to only specific jurisdictions, as they have not, yet, put in the substantial investment to know that they would be legitimate in other jurisdictions.
 
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23:05
@pppery which flag should we use for code in external site? details or clarity?
I used a custom close reason. But <3K users can't do that for flags, so I'm not sure what they should do.
Normally I would say "Needs Debugging Details", but the question isn't about debugging so that doesn't apply
Generally, "Needs details or clarity", or "Needs debugging details" if it's a debugging question.
@pppery They can flag as blatantly off topic for anything that requires a custom close reason. For external site either of the standard options Ryan mentioned work.
thank you all

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