How do you compel mega-high reppers to stop answering mega-duplicate questions? @CodyGray No techniques that I know of actually work on high-reppers.
These users know full-well that they are answering a question that has been answered many times, but they answer it anyhow. Then the Upvote Pixies sprinkle heavy. So the cycle repeats.
@CodyGray Well, you can get labels which you can print on a Zebra for which the printer ink, label/design ink, label material, and label adhesive are all impervious to most chemicals. However, the the necessary labels and printer ribbon are all notably more expensive.
@Vega If what you're wanting to do is change the stated close reason, and it hasn't been all that long since you posted the cv-pls request, then, yes, you can coordinate with an RO to have the original binned and you can then post a new one. Doing so does require RO coordination/permission. Alternately, one of the mods lurking in the room might take it upon themselves to edit your original message to change the reason (but, please, don't ask them to do so).
I don't think you would do so, but part of the RO's evaluation of the situation will be if the person making the request has made multiple such requests and/or if the RO feels that making the swap would be too much of a "bump" for the request (as you know, we don't permit "bumping").
But, every once in a while an "oops, I made a mistake/feel a different close reason is now applicable, and would really like to change the close reason included in [this request]" is likely to be supported by the ROs.
@Nick Yeah. Basically the same just inverses. Either would get to them the answer. I just think the one that's more applicable is helpful here especially given the question is partly "why does it always default to option 1"
would this warrant a custom mod flag? basically, it's a copy+paste of an existing answer, yes it links to the other answer, so it's not fully plagiarism, but the answers adds nothing on its own - stackoverflow.com/a/72422860/1974224
actually, it doesn't link to the answer the content was copied from, it links to the question the answer was posted in response to
Sigh. Ideally, that would've been dealt with when it was originally flagged by someone else a week ago. Unfortunately, we're absolutely swimming in plagiarism flags at the moment, and a single plagiarism flag can mean checking and deleting dozens of posts, because when there's one plagiarized post, there's often more.
But keep 'em coming, every plagiarist caught and stopped is another one not contributing more and more plagiarized posts unchecked.
@blackgreen I wish it didn't require such manual destruction make people see. This just happens to be an appropriate case when there are heaps of signposts already.
I hear you. Unfortunately there will always be a divergence of intents between users of this platform.
And a question can be identified as a duplicate only ex-post. Either there is a forced delay between the question being vetted and answers being posted (Staging Grounds), or you monitor "Newest" and hammer as fast as possible.
Only problem, you will have to sleep and work and spend time with your family at some point
Which are arguably more fulfilling activities than monitoring "Newest"
@Makyen I was too impatient and maybe overly sure that the question needed a closing. But of course, I have no intention to disturb mods, neither to bump the cv-pls, neither to go against the rules :) Very clear and detailed explanation, thank you!
Most disappointing when users who are approaching or surpassed 1M rep that prioritize answering over closing. That said, I'm starting to believe that all people who get anywhere near 1M are knowingly answering dupes. I never actually looked at Skeet's answering habits.
@mickmackusa trust me, just hammer and vote to delete.
what we do here is curation. it doesn't have to be a fight, nor a struggle
I forward-closed a duplicate just 10 minutes ago. The newest question&answer were better than the old one. This happens some times. Rarely. Allow it to happen.
@mickmackusa Yeah, I don't know of any magic tricks to compel them to do so, either. I don't see how downvoting a couple of their posts would provide much in the way of inducement, given that they have, as you already said, gobs of rep and wouldn't notice a drop of a couple points.
And downvoting useful/correct answers seems to do the larger community a disservice. Not to mention violates the "vote on content, not on people" mantra.
@Makyen I was thinking of the simplest case, of course. :-)
the horrible design of the dupe interface also makes it hard to argue; I engaged with one of these busy posters once and they said they find it a lot easier to just answer than to hunt down a suitable dupe, and it's hard to disagree with that
they do hammer posts sometimes (both the one I'm talking about and yours)
@tripleee It's common, yes. I've heard the same sentiment from other users. Also, some times I've avoided hammering because I just couldn't bother finding the correct dupe. Maybe because I know it's hard to find, maybe because I start looking for one and 5-15 minutes later, I'm frustrated because there is no clear target(s) to use.
even with various helpers in place, I sometimes just give up, even when I know I have a duplicate which would fit, never mind then when the question seems like one which must have been asked before
@VLAZ IMHO if a 5 minutes search doesn't reveal suitable targets, then it's not a duplicate. Even if a target does exist, it clearly isn't discoverable
the dupe search dialog is stupendously poorly designed, it brings up search hits with absolutely no bearing unless you remember the title of your duplicate precisely
I have never once used the search built into the duplicate closure dialog.
It makes no sense to call up the duplicate closure dialog before deciding to close something as a duplicate, and you can't possibly decide to close something as a duplicate before actually finding said duplicate.
@tripleee Occasionally I've had to resort to filtering the posts by a certain user because I know they answered the question. And then using a rough date range of when I think it was from (e.g., 2012-2014) with other filters like score and stuff. Which leaves me with maybe 100-ish answers to check. If I'm lucky.
I have a hard time even finding answers of my own sometimes, there are recurring questions which are not frequent enough to bookmark or etc but which still come up more than once
If, in the Reopen queue, three reviewers all vote to "Keep closed" but with a (unanimous) different reason than the original close, does the formal close reason get changed? For example, if a Q were originally closed as a dupe but the review gets three votes to leave closed as (say) "unclear", can a gold-tagger still hammer it open?
@blackgreen I categorically disagree with this philosophy. If you cannot find the duplicate until 5 or 10 minutes into the hunt, then the onus is on the title and keywords (or lack thereof) in the found question. We don't need more questions when something is hard to find; we need to improve existing pages so that they are easier to find (for everyone, not just hammerers).
And people say I am not nice, thoughtful, and considerate! That I don't worry about hurting feelings.
The short answer is basically just that the obvious thing happens: the user gets erroneously removed from the blacklist. Generally, someone who is paying attention and has privileges with SD will manually re-add the user to the blacklist.
@JeanneDark the blacklist is completely trivial, the post's age is not considrerd at all. When a post is reported, if it receives TPU feedback, the user is blacklisted, and then if another post of theirs is reported and receives FP feedback, they are removed
we could probably come up with a more sophisticated mechanism but then we would probably call it something else, as the blacklist is more similar to what we now call a watch than a proper blacklist
@mickmackusa the point is, in order to prove that a question is a duplicate, you've gotta find a suitable target first. If you, or anyone who's a SME and a SO veteran, can't find one in 5-10 minutes, then it's unreasonable to demand that nobody answers the question in the meantime
@tripleee The real issue here isn't that the blacklist doesn't consider the post's age. It's that non-edited posts are rescanned and bumped when the containing Q&A is rescanned because of other activity.
@ZoestandswithUkraine as expectedcareers is gone now and interview and freshers are still there. Yesterday evening one new question with the interview tag came up. I deleted the tag from the question.
Unfortunately, the problem is that it's a bug, and CMs can't do much about bugs. They can probably blacklist the tags, but that's... annoying, because blacklist requests go through meta
Actually it's pretty effective psychology. Just repeat the product name over and over and people will remember it better, even if they don't remember what it does
@ZoestandswithUkraine Fun fact: Dharman once got upset because I was reporting stuff in SD and taking my time in flagging it as a mod. Because I was "costing him flags". So I helped get him unlimited flags :P
At least with the worst offenders, it gets to the point where we give up, delete basically everything that's not clearly suggesting specific fixes to the asker's code, and tell them they can send us a list of what's not plagiarized.
So far, both people to take us up on that have incorrectly claimed at least one plagiarized post as non-plagiarized. One of them even had my comment below it with the source...
My favorite response to "Do not steal content," was effectively "No, I didn't steal this. Just because it is the same, doesn't mean I copied it." This was on a bountied question where both the answers were copied from the same source question.
> If there are specific answers of yours that you believe were not plagiarized (i.e., are your own, original work), and you would like to have these specific answers undeleted, you may reply to this message with a list of such answers. We will verify those individual answers and consider them for undeletion.
I saw a comment under an answer, recently, along the lines of, "This is copied directly from XXX without attribution." The OP then added a comment, "Well, I said I found it, didn't I."
My response was: "If you can provide evidence that you are the author of that content, we will consider restoring it. However, it seems very clear from what we can see that you are not. Among other reasons, it was posted by multiple different GitHub users."
@HenryEcker I don't think it can be answered purely in terms of C++. It needs both an Objective-C++ compiler and someone who knows that language. I changed the tag. It would likely just have got tons of downvotes if the C++ tag is left.
random object/data type question. So I'm looking to implement a feature like man search boxes have where suggestions are shown in a list and as you type, the suggestion list narrows based on your continued data. I always thought this was called a 'soundex lookup', but in reading a bit about it it seems that may refer to something else.
Does anyone know what the feature I'm thinking of is called?
Yeah, SharePoint had that feature and it is pretty useful for long lists like scenarios like 'pick a user whose access you want to mirror for this new user' when you have thousands of users to choose from
building a replacement form that ideally will include that feature
never done one of those type of lookups before so wasn't sure what it was called.
@GeneralGrievance If the question is actually VLQ and not just close-worthy
VLQ flag for questions and close votes/flags don't have much to do with each other
A VLQ flag means the flagged post should be deleted. It's like a weaker R/A flag. It doesn't mean a question should be closed (and also doesn't give any indication why).
But it just goes to the Triage, right? And the options there are needs community edit (which I can do), flag (which got it there in the first place), or needs author edit (CV).
@GeneralGrievance Do you feel like you don't have enough declined flags in your life? Do you want the fate of your flag decided by the random chance of whether the post is edited for some reason before a mod sees the flag? If so, then yes!
@JeanneDark While I suppose it's possible that Makyen could have linked to that, I'm not sure that's what you meant to link.
@GeneralGrievance Yeah I threw up 100 today. If any of them included potential voting fraud, I'd feel like Dharman. Currently I just feel an aircraft marshal, waving two glowing sticks in the general direction of crap answers, yelling "Delete votes this way!"