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Oh, I guess I misunderstood the Meta posts. Is it possible to manually suspend a user from suggesting edits without fully suspending them?
It's right there on the Mod Dashboard, under "Restrictions". You see "Review suspension", and also "Suspend user from suggesting edits".
The UI only lets you suspend users from suggesting edits when they do not have enough rep to have earned full editing privileges, but by a bit of trickery (sending the HTTP request manually), you can suspend someone with < 20k rep from suggesting tag wikis.
I didn't realize the "no" was a hyperlink. Thanks so much.
Hyperlinks that don't look like hyperlinks are an important component in Stack Exchange's design philosophy.
22:08
It's blue!
May I re-post a request?
There are probably rules surrounding that.
It's says you're supposed to ask first: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-boom-or-bump So I guess that's the ask.
I read, it says I can re-post once
The part about asking ROs is a bit confusing
Luckily we've got a rule lawyering RO / Mod right here.
22:13
Yeah, if the request has been sent to the graveyard without being actioned, you can re-post it once. No need to ask.
Is it in case of change of the reason or for all?
As in, do you need to change the reason for the re-post after it was archived? Nope, no need to do that.
@RyanM I see, thank you. I will wait then :)
Am I losing my mind, or did you just now bin that request?
Nothing has been binned. You'd see it in the transcript.
22:15
I did not just bin anything.
I still can see up there my cv-pls (I clicked once on load more)
The message I self-deleted was "Nope, no need to do that." because I moved it to my previous message.
The chat search tool is so fun.
Yeah, chat search is...not consistently accurate.
Is it at least consistently inaccurate? (Spoiler alert: No.)
22:18
Ah, it's my fault, there's a hide visited option. Sorry for the trouble.
Speaking of searches that aren't consistently accurate, searching for plagiarism is a great way to figure out how the heck the code: operator works on SE search.
Yeah, the code: thing is very tricky. Even when I know the name of the function I know I've written an answer about, it's very hit or miss.
Here's a tip: it can only seem to find entire tokens.
I haven't figured out exactly what creates a boundary between tokens, but you often have to go out to the nearest space.
I wonder if there's documentation somewhere I've been missing?
But it's not just spaces that count.
22:22
If you figure it out, maybe make a Meta post about it? It'd be helpful to others.
Yeah, I might. That'd require sitting down and doing some pointed testing, but I could at least make a start at one that could be improved with additional discoveries.
@CodyGray I have "Review Suspensions", but not "Suspend user from suggesting edits". I wonder how many other tools I don't get. Under "Informative Pages" I see eleven hyperlinks of which "Review Suspensions" is one. Is there another list somewhere in the mod dashboard? My dashboard is VERY lackluster, I would be surprised if SO mods had such basic looking mod tools.
@mickmackusa on the user Dashboard.
@mickmackusa There should not be any tools that you don't get it. I don't know what "Informative Pages" is, but when I say "Mod Dashboard", I mean this page (to pick a random user on your site): joomla.stackexchange.com/users/account-info/16362
SO mods have the exact same tools, except ours are generally enhanced with userscripts that we develop ourselves.
I mean, I've only got the one diamond, but I'd be shocked if SE bothered making two versions of the mod tools. The one version already barely works ;-)
22:25
Poor Jahidul is about to get edit suggestion suspended.
For science, though.
That happened to me, once.
And who doesn't like science? (Wait, half of my country. Oh well.)
This is how we know you can edit-suspend 2k+ users from suggesting tag wiki edits.
@CodyGray I only see "review suspend" on that page. There is no "Suspend user from suggesting edits" anywhere on that page. I went to another random user who is not currently suspended and I see the same options. I think we get different tools/interfaces.
22:30
mickmackusa, I superpinged you in another chatroom with an image. Check your global inbox.
Oh, incidentally, @IanCampbell and @mickmackusa... While review-banning a user gives you a nice bloated, buggy, browser-locking-up UI for sending the user a message to accompany and explain their review ban, that doesn't exist for the comparable suggested edit ban function. So, if you use this, you'll need to combine it with a mod message explaining that you've suspended them, for how long, and, preferably, why.
@mickmackusa There's no way that we get different tools. Does your site not have suggested edits enabled or something?
It's only unregistered users that you can prevent from suggesting edits, no?
One difference in the tools is that mods on other sites have a convenient dropdown with a history of every mod message and reply from the last few days, whereas Stack Overflow has a dropdown that mostly says "$moderator sent destroy spammer to $user" repeatedly.
...wait, that might just be that the tools kind of suck.
@IanCampbell Uh, no. Anyone who doesn't have full editing privileges and thus needs to suggest edits.
I see my folly now. I was expecting to see the whole words as described. Now I see that the "I didn't realize the "no" was a hyperlink. Thanks so much." was relating to this topic/discussion. I was also tricked by the "no" being a modal trigger leading to a mod action.
22:34
@IanCampbell The per-site meta sites have a wider block on suggesting edits, though I'm not sure if that's actually exposed in the site config options or if it's just conditioned on it being a per-site meta.
Sorry, I meant it's only possible to globally prevent suggested edits from unregistered users.
@RyanM Your hyperbole vastly misrepresents the actual situation. Come now, don't be ridiculous. There are also many messages that say "$moderator sent a farewell to $user".
@IanCampbell Oh, right. Probably. I'll admit to having paid no attention to the list of knobs available on different sites to tweak the experience.
@jmoerdyk Yes
@jmoerdyk very much so
22:38
I'd personally like to see navigation options as hyperlinks and action options as buttons. Maybe I'm old fashioned?
@mickmackusa Like this? You crazy person, you. But you're in luck: Machavity has a userscript for this.
That's looks appropriate to me. Unfortunately, most of my volunteering is via mobile, when I am on my company computer (as I am right now) I will not be adding any non-work-related software onto it, and my personal computer is many years old, has temperature regulation problems and I don't take it out of its drawer very often. Maybe in a beautiful future, I'll start enjoying userscripts.
I'm terribly afraid of doing anything on mobile. I'm always worried my fat thumbs are going to accidentally destroy a user.
But don't worry, it's responsive
23:05
I used to do a lot of moderating from mobile. Review suspensions were extremely painful. Otherwise, no major issues. Well, closing as a duplicate was an exercise in frustration each time, but I found workarounds.
This was before they broke everything in the design of everything, though.
I've done some moderating on mobile, but from an exceptionally large-screened device.
And there are still tasks I'll leave for when I'm on a desktop.
Is it really "mobile" if it's a 30-inch tablet?
Is that what they hand out over there at the Googleplex?
I certainly wouldn't know
I wish they were handing out 30-inch tablets. Well, actually, that might be too large.
23:18
Well, my employer furnished me with a new phone today. And they stuck a barcode on it. But, they couldn't be bothered to put it on straight.
Luckily it will be covered by the case I guess.
Mine had one, but it eventually fell off.
It turns out to be very difficult to make stickers that stay on something that gets used as much as a phone.
Yes, that was my backup plan. Pull it off and remove the adhesive with some solvent. I'm too expensive to fire.
It actually came off cleanly. I think good asset-tag stickers can be removed without residue, but I don't have a lot of experience there.
I thought good asset-tag stickers were the ones that couldn't be cleanly removed?
The in-house Zebra-printed barcodes are not good asset-tag stickers. :-)
Ah, well, that's true. I suppose it depends how much you trust your employees not to steal the stuff.
Also they know what I have, so...
23:27
Yeah, putting asset tags on stuff you give to your employees has always seemed silly to me.
You know what they have, and you know exactly where to find it and/or who to hold accountable.
Asset tagging is useful for checking in and out the assets.
So, for example, I can file a ticket that says "I am no longer using the computer with asset tag XYZ, please retrieve it from desk location ABC-1234 and return it to inventory," and someone will show up with a cart, check the asset tag, and then take it away.
@RyanM We already have employee keycards ;-)
Oh, that's not what you meant by "assets".
Assuming you have good procedures that are followed for checking out the devices....
You mean people don't just come to your desk and grab up whatever they need? What is this lack of madness, I cannot imagine.
Such procedures are significantly aided by asset tags
Also it doesn't really matter for me if it was checked out properly, as long as they check it back in after they take it away :-p
23:32
Although it's hard to imagine getting into that kind of laziness where you send an email to someone telling them to come take something away.
The "something" in this case weighs like 40 pounds.
I'm not lugging that between buildings myself.
Computers that weigh 40 pounds!
I suppose I did do that...once, at the start of the pandemic.
Is that really 40 pounds?
having just now tested it by comparing it to various weights...it's probably closer to 35.
I don't actually own a scale.
23:40
even en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable didn't weigh that much
Geez
I always pick up monitors one-handed
I would do it with towers, too, if they weren't too thick/bulky to fit in my hand
They weigh so much less now than they ever used to
According to lenovo.com/us/en/p/workstations/thinkstation-p-series/…, a similar-ish one (not the same model I have) weighs 52 pounds at full spec.
this also probably isn't at full spec.
but yeah Thinkstations are really heavy.
They're also a lot spendier than Dells
I wonder if there's actually any bang for that buck
I can attest that it is quite excellent.
I assume we bought these for a reason, from a price-to-quality perspective.
23:57
"We have all this money... what should we do with it?"
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