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00:19
@MFerguson It used to work really well on CRTs...
01:09
@SotiriosDelimanolis the solution is different so perhaps a merge is more appropriate?
01:27
@karel you have only one / after https:
(I fixed it for you)
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (duplicate request)
01:42
@Nick Could someone please bin this request
01:54
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
03:04
@TylerH I believe I should give you attribution for the catchy title. What do you think? :)
@AnnZen That's a locked post and can't be closed. Was that the link you meant?
03:30
@HenryEcker OMG, my mistake!
@RyanM Thanks
you're...welcome?
@RyanM I think for moving the invalid request to the graveyard. It probably should've gone to dev/null though... I guess the archive script considers locked to be completed
@HenryEcker ahhhh, I see, that makes sense. Yeah, I didn't even notice, that was all the archiver.
Hence my confusion.
04:43
Does anyone have a closed question they could check for me? Did the post owner close banner UI change the button from "Edit question" to "Delete questions" for all reasons?
04:55
05:29
@HenryEcker Are you referring to this banner? It does say "Delete question" instead of "Edit question".
05:41
@cigien Yes. That was the one I was looking for. Hm.... I also only have a duplicate closure (on MSO) so I was looking to see if other types of closures had different buttons...
I wonder if there's an age thing or it always says that... Seems like misleading advice if it's telling users to delete questions that get closed for something like Needs debugging details (for example)
I don't see why users should be told to delete duplicates either, for that matter. Hmm, on MSO, I see both options. I don't have any closed questions for reasons other than duplicates, so I can't check for that.
I only see "Delete" on mine, but I accepted the duplicate. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Was there an announcement or something about the new banner redesign? It broke a few of my SEDE queries when the field was renamed, but I didn't really notice anything announcment-wise
@HenryEcker Ah, yes, on one of my own questions that I voted to close as duplicate I only see the "Delete" button.
Thanks for checking. I'm glad it's not only showing the delete button instead of the edit button in all cases.
@SotiriosDelimanolis the answer there recommends using OffsetDateTime, which is not mentioned in the target duplicate, it we delete the question we loose this solution
so if the answer is indeed valuable, then, IMO, we should either merge the two questions or keep the duplicate
06:59
@HenryEcker I have a question closed as duplicate which reads "Delete" and a question closed as not-duplicate which reads "edit"
but, the question that reads "edit" is from 2 years ago, and I have also another one closed as duplicate from 1 year ago which reads "edit" too
so it looks like a recent change, but I'm not sure. The non-deleted duplicate from my first screenshot is dupe-closed by myself. not sure if that matters, probably not. Both dupes were closed by a gold badger. one dupe was closed by me and community bot, the other one by a gold badger
I currently have three non-deleted questions closed as duplicate and all read "delete"
If I delete one of those, neither the "delete" nor "edit" button shows up (pic)
@blackgreen Hmmm odd... I wonder what the rules are. Thank you for sharing those.
@blackgreen That's seems like reasonable behaviour
@HenryEcker it looks like time-dependent
@mickmackusa I think you're missing a link
it seems a recent change. As a matter of fact I've started noticing lately that questions I dupe-hammer get deleted more frequently
Thanks Hank
07:10
but admittedly I haven't had the hammer since long, so my observation is only partially useful
@mickmackusa Please not Hank. Henry's fine :)
Who's Hank?
@blackgreen I know the SEDE changes are within the last few weeks. I don't know when the UI changes went live
That was a "feeler bet" in poker. It is remarkably high -- the number of Henries that don't like to be called Hank.
@blackgreen It's a fairly common nickname for Henry
Hank and Oh Henry! jokes are probably my two least favourite things about my name
(joke is a strong word for just saying the name of a candy bar and then laughing hysterically)
07:15
My sisters used to haunt me with "Hey Mickey, you're so fine..." through much of my early years. It didn't help that they sang it with nasally voices. Totally ruined a not great song.
I was slightly dismayed when people started to abbreviate my handle to just "trip" but I have gotten used to it. The ones who spell triplee with just two e:s continue to irk me
@jps Eh? Did that question also create the tag, or was there more on there?
@ZoestandswithUkraine It looks like someone and 21 hours ago which made it available for use. I can't see any questions that still have those tags though.
[interview] looks like another tag that refuses to die
Oh also apparently
jps
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07:28
@HenryEcker you're faster than me ;)
[careers] doesn't have any deleted questions, aside the one jps requested
jps
jps
we recently have many tags that don't go away
Yeah, I noticed
jps
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the new tag view shows them with 1 question but if you click it there are 0
Someone also created to tag an off-topic question
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07:31
other examples are and , created om May 31st
@ZoestandswithUkraine could the reson be, that the tag was just removed from the question?
No
Shouldn't be anyway
Plenty of other tags die from just removal
I don't understand why some of them refuse to
Maybe something with Collectives?
Highly doubt it; most of them have nothing to do with collectives
Maybe they are die hard fans?
Also, [in] and [i] both precede Collectives by several years
@jps Nothing on [abdullah], plenty of deleted posts on [do]
[do] dates back to 2013
jps
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07:42
is certainly the sort of tag that gets created and deleted all the time, but recently it was created at the same time 0:30 05-31-22 together with and . Sometimes I really wonder what went wrong in the head of a 1.5k User to create such nonsense.
jps
jps
@blackgreen absolutely. The above examples prove that even having 1.5k is no guarantee that the user will do no nonsense
@jps this proves that 14k is also no guarantee...
which brings us back to the old idea that reputation is an imperfect measure for familiarity with the site. <expletive> I can bet that someone like Jeanne Dark who's at 1k is more aware of how the site works than some millionaires
some stuff simply needs to be reviewed
jps
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07:58
@blackgreen true
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08:15
@ZoestandswithUkraine the tags and still show 1 question in the new tags view: stackoverflow.com/tags?tab=new, even if there are actually 0 questions, but the counter for has gone to zero in that overview after you deleted that question that I reported. I guess, will be gone tomorrow, while the two other will still be there.
Caching.
There's something weird that causes a few tags to perpetually have a single question registered
@CodyGray Not always
But this isn't "perpetually". Those tags were created < 24 hours ago.
08:18
[in], [i], [do], [abdullah], and a number of other tags refuse to die
jps
jps
try adding one of the zombie tags to a question that you're going to delete and see if the counter goes to zero after deleting the question.
@CodyGray we're talking about tag created 31st MAy
Neither [interview] nor [freshers] meets that criteria, which is why I'm confused.
Got that. Still confused what that has to do with [interview] and/or [freshers].
jps
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@CodyGray usually these tags should have disappeared the next day (today) but they're still here. And from recent experience, I assume they'll be here tomorrow and not go away anytime soon.
Who doesn't name everything with underscore-prefixed hexadecimal IDs?
It's always so easy to track down bugs when you can immediately tell what's happening to _0x6d6b as the value of _0x5b9839 changes.
Plus, you never have to worry about naming conflicts. Or hackers looking over your shoulder stealing your work.
To be fair, the code seems to have been purposefully obfuscated
You can sniff purposefulness in there?
The OP believes the code is encrypted
Oh, you mean because it's written in JavaScript.
08:37
looks like maybe it was decompiled from something (guessing wasm? but perhaps I just show my ignorance)
At least you didn't show your curved monitor.
the Windows toolbar down there is more embarrassing
I didn't spot any porn this time
You sometimes do?
In these screenshots? Yeah... it's not unusual to find people who have left tabs open with various flavors of unsavory content.
@Vega Nice!
@Vega The question has already been deleted
What a shame. All dressed up as a duplicate and nowhere to go.
@CodyGray I guess I shouldn't be surprised. If they were more diligent or had paid any attention at all, they would post such screenshots to begin with.
Well, savoriness is ultimately a matter of opinion. Perhaps their standards are just different, and we should stop being such prudes. Maybe they're being kind and sharing some of their favorite things with us in exchange for us helping them with their coding problems.
08:56
@CodyGray I try to be less prude then
jps
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@JeanneDark this one is even "better"
3
Hold the phone
09:15
@jps It's not put inside an excel file, which is inside a password-protected zip. So, I'm only giving it 7/10
09:31
> I understand this isnt an answer and im ok receive a downvote but due the fact that comment section cant take this long query i had to post this question here.
 
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11:56
Morning
13:03
o/
@Juraj There isn't any duplicate link posted for this question either in the Close link or the comments. Did someone close vote and then retract it or delete a comment?
@karel There was -- the top comment counted as associating another question with this one
When someone posts a comment under a question, and the comment includes a proper link to another SO question, it puts it in the 'related questions' list, and if you vote to close it as a duplicate, that list is shown there.
@karel Yes. Well, they cast a close flag. And then deleted the comment.
The OP replied to that comment "I have neither a serial cable nor a physical serial port on this laptop." as if he thought it wasn't a duplicate of that link.
@RyanM sneaky
@karel I guess OP will be disappointed since an Arduino Uno only has a serial out port
hopefully they have USB ports
and not a Mac
@AnnZen sure thing
@GeneralGrievance that's nice, Peter now has a free beer waiting for him in India
now he just needs a place to stay and a plane ticket...
13:31
Better be some really good beer.
Well it probably won't be Bud Light ;-)
I went to a show the other night and they advertised "PBR coffee."
I wasn't brave enough to try it.
huh
oh, it's alcoholic coffee
I figured it was that or they infused the beer with coffee flavor.
Ah bummer; found a good dupe candidate but it was last active 7 months ago T_T
14:07
@karel in the first comment
14:39
Any gurus care to confirm/deny if my suggested duplicate here is appropriate?
@AdrianMole Let me take a look
wait... it's not April 1st anymore, is it?
@TylerH Why? Are you only a C++ guru on one day each year?
Well I could explain the joke of April Fools...
There are other issues in that Q but the core problem is the same as in my suggested dupe IMHO.
15:18
@AdrianMole Well, I took a look anyway. I don't know C++ of course, but the errors and situation seems to be different to me in the OP vs your duplicate target
but maybe I just don't see what you see as a C++ SME
For ex: it could be a situation like my comment here: stackoverflow.com/questions/67808698/… where a run result is related to an error code in another application but you wouldn't know it unless you've run into that problem before
The problem is that, when string literals are used as operands, they 'become' something else. And you can't initialize an array with the something else. The linked target is not an especially well-presented question, but it is the same core issue and there is a decent answer.
@AdrianMole arrays in C++ can only contain strings?
You can do like: const char arr[] = "abc"; but you can't do like const char* p = "abc"; and then const char arr[] = p; ... which is (effectively) what OP is trying to do via the conditional operator.
Arrays in C can contain anything. We're only concerned with char arrays here, which can be initialized with string literals.
The conditional operator (or any other operator) can't return a type that is a string literal. Nothing can. If it could, it wouldn't be literal, would it?
... except maybe string literal operators? ;(
15:44
@TylerH Anyway, after some intra-cranial deliberations, I hammered it. Others can reopen (or vote to) if they disagree.
 
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18:11
@tripleee Thanks for your efforts :)
@RandomPerson sure (-:
20:08
@MFerguson lol nice one
Ugh... but the comments on that Reddit thread make me cringe. "But the duplicate spotter gets some fake internet points. Much more important than answering a question."
@IanCampbell well yeah but it's reddit, what do you expect
it's where people go to complain about stuff
No no, that's about what I expect.
Does anyone agree this answer is unnecessary? Detect all changes to a <input type="text"> (immediately) using JQuery @TylerH
it's just as unnecessary as the question
20:18
Can anybody look here what is this question?
@SunderamDubey It needs to be closed as lacking a minimal reproducible example.
most of the answers provide pretty awful solutions, because the question is asking for awful solutions
@CodyGray I think the OP confused with answer and question.
@Dharman It is unnecessary
that answer provides the correct solution, but that's not what the question is asking for
20:20
@tacoshy You don't need to "del-pls" for NAA. Just raise an NAA flag.
And also, more NAA flags doesn't help it get deleted any faster (so asking more of us to flag isn't necessary)
But they also don't hurt, so don't worry about duplicating NAA flags.
@Dharman Are you talking as a technical point of view?
I am asking becasue the comment is poiting out that the exact same thing was said few years before
The Low Quality Answer queue is full of people who will happily delete anything that crosses their monitor. =P
20:22
Indeed.
i could say the same though of probably 6-7 other answers on that question
@KevinB Please flag if you think someone unnecessarily copied a previous answer
they aren't copies though
@Dharman yes, It is also stated in the comment by a guy which has 11 votes see it.
they're all just the same solution repeated, in their own super special way that isn't all that special
20:24
@Dharman sorry, haven't read your above comment.
I think highly upvoted effective duplicate but not identical answers are a tricky situation. Can't flag, because you can't expect the mod handling the flag to be a SME. Can't ask for SME assistance because you have to get it to -1 first.
Best to just sigh aloud and move on.
That's where Meta comes into play.
i don't think it's worth even meta
this is a jquery question,
You get subject-matter experts to make arguments, present evidence, come to a consensus, then a moderator can step in to handle it.
But yeah, you have to decide if that's worth it.
Because a couple of extra answers on a Q&A that people have to scroll down to see and which aren't crowding out better answers... meh.
@KevinB In these cases an SME mod is ideal because they can just clean up by mod-deletion
20:27
this is a super useful comment: stackoverflow.com/questions/1948332/…
well, the thing is, the awful answers are all highly upvoted
most of them are even wrong, if you take into account what the op is actually asking
Sometimes that's a "fun" emergent feature of SO. Google decides what the question is, not the OP.
@SunderamDubey Please don't ping mods in chat with requests that belong as flags
And personally I recommend choosing more careful phrasing; pinging a moderator with what appears to be a command is likely to not end up well for you
Depends on if the mod agrees with you. Mileage tends to vary. :-)
OK, fair point, advocate of the devil :-P
@KevinB it would take just as much time to fix the answer there as it would to leave the comment
20:32
Agreed with the larger point, though: don't rely on me agreeing with you.
@CodyGray and even if we know you'll agree with us, it's also a rule here: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-ping
But... then you'd get to deal with the fun Meta thread written about how some high rep user came along and edited my answer.
Nah, in this case OP hasn't been seen in over 2 years
@TylerH yes, I agree sorry for that.
True, however, fixing the wrong copy would be just as useful as removing it or leaving it
20:34
Well, let's hope there's no edit notification to email that will summon them from the ether. But excellent point.
because, technically, using .live would work, and i doubt anyone using jquery 1.4 or older today would understand the difference anyway
(or even read that bit of text in the first place)
I have raised a moderator intervention flag for this answer, as it seems link only to me, the original accepted answer here shows exmaple and code as well, so when I flagged it as not an answer, the guy rejected the flag, so I raised a moderator flag, can somebody please look into it?
i don't think it's link only
@SunderamDubey If you've already raised a "in need of moderator intervention" flag, someone will look at it in due course. It's not an emergency, so please just let the process take it's course.
It's not impressive, but I don't think it's link only either.
20:39
the links certainly help explain what they're saying, but the links aren't necessary, as the link text is the method they're suggesting using, and both methods are built-in methods.
@KevinB yes, you are also right, but I think it will redirect the users to another site for looking into exmaples rather than SO.
@SunderamDubey I have edited it a bit to improve it/make it more clear that it is an answer in its own right
that may be the case, but flags here are very narrowly scoped
I'm a little surprised that review was invalidated. Did the NAA flag just age away? Never mind....
That's definitely not "NAA", nor is it "link-only". The first NAA flag on it was declined by a moderator, with the given reason being "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer" (which is a common reason we use to decline NAA flags when we can't figure out why the person would have flagged it as NAA, other than thinking it is incorrect).
20:43
@IanCampbell it was probably declined by Cody
I've now declined the custom flag. If you're still confused, see this Meta FAQ for a description of when NAA flags should be used and what a "link-only answer" consists of.
I also just edited it which may also invalidate pending flags
Would be neat if the queue explicitly stated why it was invalidated though
It was invalidated before you edited it. But a moderator declining the flag would definitely do that.
because memory is fallible (unless it's memorex)
The first flag, which was NAA, was declined by a mod who was not me. I declined the second, custom flag. But I only did so after your edit. Edits do not invalidate custom mod flags anyway.
20:44
Also, unless I'm mis-remembering, edits invalidate VLQ flags but not NAA flags.
That answer did go through LQA review, where it got a "Looks OK" vote, but that isn't enough to invalidate a pending flag. The NAA flag was invalidated by a moderator explicitly declining it. You can tell this in the flag history with the message that was attached to the decline; it was one of the canned decline messages that mods routinely use. The review queues wouldn't have used that.
If only us mere mortals could see the flag history. (Although I realize you may be providing me that information for my site, thanks)
@IanCampbell On first blush, it seems reasonable to show anonymized flag history to users of a certain privilege level.
Yes, that would be a good 30k privilege. Apparently others agree
@IanCampbell There was once a suggestion that a new "privilege level" (30k) could be introduced that allowed such entitled users to see if a post was already flagged. I can look on Meta.SE, but I'll likely need time to find it. cc @Cody
20:49
@CodyGray Sans custom flags though, that might be whatever private info...
I stealth edited the link into the message above: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252690/…
@BaummitAugen Yeah, just something like "Custom Flag" would be plenty of info there
and no description
really just the type of flag would be nice to see
Yeah, agreed; "custom flag" would be useful to show and provide sufficient info.
... for those who regularly use up their 100-per-day flag quota, such a privilege would be (very) useful.
@CodyGray But sir, one moderator told me that NAA and VLQ flags are interchangeable, when I raised some days ago a moderator intervention flag, and said use standard flags next time, and sir you pointed this is not an answer, no low quality as it contains two links.
20:52
@SunderamDubey A recent post (in here) by a mod has suggested that the UI for mods is quite poor (? - euphemism) for mods handling VLQ flags.
The VLQ flag should just go. Too unclear...
If I flag comments as "no longer needed" they are removed instantly and I get a message "thank you we take your flags seriosly" - IS that a normal reputation feature?
Yes, NAA and VLQ are interchangeable. Mods handle them identically. And, yes, you should prefer to use standard flags when one of them fits.
The answer you flagged is not going to be deleted by moderators for either being not-an-answer or for being very-low-quality.
it's a regex shortcut
{Big Belgian Biscuits}
20:53
If you don't think the answer meets Stack Overflow's standards and/or isn't helpful/complete, then downvote it.
if the comment matches the regex, it gets deleted without review
Yes. Sir I agree.
@AdrianMole Meh? I don't know what they're talking about or why they would say that.
There are limitations of the UI, certainly, but not that would be relevant here or have anything to do with raising of NAA or VLQ flags.
@CodyGray I'm no mod. I know nothing. Just sayin'.
It's true that the VLQ-tab mixes questions and answers.
20:55
The problem is, I don't know what you're sayin'.
Yes, because the flag mixes them.
In that regard, NAA is easier
@CodyGray And you think I do?
@AdrianMole I mean, I would like to see it, and I don't think I've ever used 100 flags in a day or even 80
Why does the "search the transcript" (for this room) not accept "Dharman" as a valid username?
unless you just mean those people would find it especially useful, not that it would only be useful for those people
21:00
... it was him what said what I said he said.
@AdrianMole he requires you to use the diamond when referring to him
@TylerH Aha! Dang mods.
The Artist Now Known as His Former Name but with a Diamond Attached
(to be clear I'm kidding about the diamond. I always revert to UserID because Username is notoriously unreliable)
Dang ROs.
what does mean No MRE? and which flag should we raise for that thanks
21:02
No Minimal Reproducible Example
MRE = minimal reproducible example (missing debuging details)
I think the Site Specific > Needs Debugging Details reason used to mention those words?
Multiplexed Remittance Encoded?
thank you so much
Meal-Ready-to-Eat, aka rations.
21:04
Ewh, those things are so gross
There's probably a medical term for that acronym. There is for most acronyms.
nah general MRE for the US is called "Meal Rejected by Enemies"
I kinda miss them though, espacially the 2ml tabsco bottles
Yeah, but the exothermic heating packs are fun to use.
What's "exothermic heating"?
Add water to the bag to "cook" your meal pouch.
21:07
yeah true, @adrian they have a heater that you poor water in that causes a chem reaction that produces heat and disolves Water in Hydrogen gas
That's part of the problem, those things only get tepidly warm. I hate lukewarm food.
@tacoshy Haha, I like it.
Heating is heating. Whether or not the relevant therms are inside or outside seems irrelevant.
Exothermic in the sense that the chemical reaction is exothermic rather than endothermic.
The laws of thermodynamics would likely disagree.
21:12
@AdrianMole Searching transcripts for messages said by a particular user is always hit-or-miss for me, mostly miss, particularly with the auto-suggest list. I find the only way to get reliable results is to paste in the user's chat ID.
Ah, Tyler already said that.
You know what'd be cool? If the username auto-suggest took into account the users who had ever been in that room. I was just trying to search the mod room transcript last night for "Jon Clements", and typing in "Jon" presented a bunch of people who have never been mods and obviously never had access to a private room.
Did you try looking for "three-legged puppy"?
@AdrianMole Another Go library?
@AdrianMole Endothermic heating would not be very effective for transferring heat to your food. :-)
Although I guess you wouldn't call it "heating", given that the temperature drops due to the absorption of heat.
Transfers negative heat maybe?
The sign of delta G is all arbitrary anyway.
Ah! Entropy. It always comes down to entropy.
21:16
It's very important in gangsta culture. They always talk about being a G.
But is entropy hot or cold?
Depends on your frame of reference
if you have guys around fwith a MOS 92G you dont need the exothermci heating :P
Well, this has been an exciting chance for me to remember fun things about the Gibbs free energy equation.
Phyciss is so much better with typos.
21:19
Just be kareful that all your measurements are in Kelsius.
Remember that I work in the same institution that Lord Kevin once did!
Oh? I thought you dropped the mic on those guys?
Couldn't stay away?
The simple rule of physics is that energy is transferred, not created. Until you start breaking atoms apart.
Isn't it still transferred?
Well, kind of. If you consider that mass is just a compact form of energy.
21:22
Wait, E = MC² doesn't hold for quarks?
Show me a quark, in a box, and I'll tell you. :-)
It's all just numbers and equations. Nothing else really exists. This was very upsetting to Niels Bohr.
You're still breaking the energy in bonds, right?
If only I could vote to close an answer? never mind.
@IanCampbell Well, you can vote to delete.
(my bad)
The question isn't well presented either. I'd say that it is unclear because we don't know how they actually want to merge their multidimensional array.
21:26
I assume you're out of votes for today?
"can't post here because of lenght" That is almost certainly not true. That data doesn't even come close to being 30k characters.
@CodyGray If you mean "chemical bonds" then no. You're just transferring energy from molecular orbitals to atomic orbitals, or to photons/free electrons.
I didn't vote to close the question earlier because I was still trying to decide if there was a meaningful way to hammer, or if it was merely a bad question due to a lack of clarity.
I meant to delete the answer. I'm still unclear on the request. Delete the answer or close the question?
Mick seems to be strictly proposing to delete the answer in here at this point.
21:30
@CodyGray I think they might mean the ratio of required explanation for the amount of code?
There certainly is a very limited amount of explanation provided.
In another room, we were making up fun twins of SOCVR for other StackExchange sites. When I read "LAWCVR", in my head I pronounced it. That made me wonder, do other people spell this room out in their head or pronounce it as something?
I never find myself saying it aloud to anyone. If LAWCVR might be "law cover", then is SOCVR "so cover" or "sock over" or something else?
@IanCampbell I usually spell out S O C V R but sometimes my brain says "Soh cover"
21:43
I think I once explained this channel to my wife and spelled it out S O C V R. I think LAWCVR came out something like "Lockver" in my head.
I kind of like General Grievance's pronunciation though.
For fluidity of pronunciation, I feel like a need a vowel sound between the C and V.
agreed
Review suspensions stop suggesting more edits?
No. Review suspensions are different from suggested-edit suspensions.
@SotiriosDelimanolis this can't be deleted currently as another question has been closed as a dupe of this
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