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12:16 AM
 
 
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@dur OP added stacktrace, can you see if it's MRE?
 
 
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3:05 AM
 
Whoooooaaaaa the reputation bubble is less terrible again :O
 
I can upvote 40 of your posts real quick to make it chaotic again for a bit if you like
oh wait you mean the CSS design
 
I fixed it for myself a while ago so I will have to turn it off next time I get an upvote to see how it is different again
my fix added the square corners back
for the most part
 
 
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4:15 AM
@richardec this is not oppinion based, it's a how to question. The phrase that asks for alternatives can be removed/rephased from the question.
 
 
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6:05 AM
@tripleee yeah, probably should've just deleted that when I closed it, shouldn't I...considered it.
 
6:19 AM
@SmokeDetector I'm confused, is this spam for Alaska or Delta?
 
@RyanM Yes.
 
Spammers getting lazy, just changing the title but keeping the body. Someone should call them and complain.
 
@VLAZ Hmm, two airlines combined into one? Talk about united airlines!
 
 
7:44 AM
 
8:07 AM
@mickmackusa question was asked only 2 hours ago, I'd wait to see if the OP deletes it by themselves, if not it will roomba anyway
 
If the OP can clarify it, they would be better asking a new question @Cristik There is already a trash answer as well.
 
unless you think the question is really problematic, I'd not consume a delete vote on it
my feeling is that we're rushing with delete votes on posts like this
question is only 2 hours old, possibly the OP is still active, and it's possible they will delete the question themselves
I don't see the urgency for us to step in
 
@mickmackusa ...and there is a suspiciously regular PHP contributor who is currently suspended for voting irregularities. Me thinks me found me Huckleberry.
 
8:22 AM
@VLAZ do you want to hammer that? I can reopen it for you.
 
@RyanM Sure if you don't want to dull your modhammer
 
Hmmm...fair, seems clear. Modhammered.
@Adriaan I...guess I hope it's theirs?
Or a generic sample? I can't read Arabic, unfortunately.
 
@RyanM I doubt that, given especially the second is a photograph with fingers visible, rather than a government-issue sample image with a watermark
@RyanM there are two different ones though, judging the photograph on both
 
The second one at least has the same given name.
I dunno, I'm not an expert.
It's possible the first one is a sample and the second one is theirs.
Not a great idea to post on the internet, but...
Well, it's their choice. They can always ask us to redact.
 
I've left them a comment for the time being
 
8:30 AM
Good call.
 
it this a troll question: stackoverflow.com/questions/60963011/… ?
 
> asked Apr 1, 2020 at 2:59
 
"I try to make the message show up three seconds before I click the button"
argh... missed the date :P
then it's clear, next question, should we keep it anymore?
 
Slapped a historical lock on it because I chuckled. I could probably be persuaded to get rid of it, though.
 
the joke is quite good, but I feel it's too subtle for, let's say, 80% of people that stumble upon it :)
 
8:34 AM
Nah, just delete it
 
Is this post really fit to be deleted? (5 votes for that so far, 5 more needed). Half a million views and an aggregate score around 3,000. What harm is it doing?
It came my way via the Reopen Votes review queue. Although I voted to "Leave closed" (it is opinion based), I am concerned that such posts are being deleted by over-zealous curators.
 
@AdrianMole the community, or at least 5 members of the community think yes :)
 
That is a funny post.
 
they might or might not be the voice of the majority
 
re: setTimeout negative one
 
8:41 AM
@Cristik You are assuming that those 5 community members do actually think about what they cast delete votes for. I'm not sure that is always true.
 
can't agree nor disagree with you here, I'm not familiar with the demographics of the people that vote to delete :)
though, on this particular question, I agree with you that it should not be deleted
 
@AdrianMole The top answer is a good summary and not too opinion based. The others are either personal preference, or rehash stuff from the top answer but not as clear/with examples. IMO: delete all answers that are not the top one and make the top one CW (it's edited by others anyway)
 
Well, there appears to be a significant portion of the community who think that "off-topic" equates to "should be deleted". I am not one of those. Especially for older posts.
 
@AdrianMole You mean they cast delete votes like others cast upvotes?
 
@JeanneDark Heh. But, actually, some people do see a delete vote as a "super" downvote.
 
8:49 AM
well... we could reopen the question to try to prevent the deletion, but I suspect the question will quickly get closed again
but I'm curious... is the delete vote count being resetted when the question is reopened?
or it stays the same?
 
@Cristik IIRC, downvotes stay. You just can't add more. But if the question is closed again, you can cast more and it just continues where it left off.
 
9:06 AM
@Cristik It would required a delete/undelete cycle (from a mod) to clear pending delete votes.
The timeline shows an interesting relationship the question has with Dalija and I in the reopen queue history.
 
you two have an history together :)
@AdrianMole well... regarding to curation, closing a question is the first step in the curation process :)
just that, yeah, some people take curation to the extreme
 
9:23 AM
Maybe the question's frequent appearance in the Reopen Votes queue has annoyed reviewers, so they've tried to prevent that by deleting it?
 
maybe a mod lock would be deserved?
 
Possibly. Not sure if it should be raised on Meta (such a "big" question). Also, not sure why animuson reopened it back then (was already a mod/staff); it was closed again less than 2 weeks later.
 
@Adriaan do you hame something against indonesian betters? :)
 
@Cristik if you do not, yet, perhaps review metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/tags/43
 
dur
9:37 AM
@TylerH Sorry, I had this in mind, but in this case the official documentation was linked. So I thought OP is looking for another tutorial or documentation. Remember this framework is old and deprecated.
 
9:54 AM
@AdrianMole IMHO the post should stay closed, but I don’t see why it should be deleted. Probably del voters got annoyed by seeing it in the reopen queue. A post on meta seems unwarranted at this point, as it could even backfire and attract more del votes from people who wouldn’t otherwise come across the post. Maybe you can follow it for a while and post in meta to ask for an explanation and/or undeletion if the deletion actually goes through
 
I saw an unusual spam-grace-period transformation right now. The title was "the bro code of easr general mankind force" and the body had the same string repeated maybe a hundred time. I was just about to flag as R/A when it got updated (and opening flags reloads the post...) and changed to support number spam.
 
dur
@bad_coder For me it is still not enough information. If OP is trying to reopen it, I will think again about it.
 
10:12 AM
@blackgreen Sounds like a good plan. I was thinking of raising a mod flag already, to suggest a lock on it (it's been through the Reopen queue 9 times) but maybe wait until more action occurs.
 
10:30 AM
@VLAZ managed to catch one of these again screenshot before and screenshot after of this spam question (deleted already)
 
@AdrianMole the only annoyance is that deletion of a followed post doesn’t produce a notification, but you can maybe use the “revisit” option of SOCVR script. Anyway building up 5 more del votes doesn’t seem bound to happen soon. A mod flag might even get declined. Revisit in 11 days perhaps
 
question, assuming the post gets deleted, does it take another 10 votes to undelete it?
or there are enough 3 (5?) votes?
perhaps this is one of the spammers entry points :)
 
10:49 AM
@Cristik I think so, accordng to this answer: If your post was deleted by high-reputation users or by the Community user, it will require three undelete votes to be undeleted (more if it's a question and it was popular) ...
 
@VLAZ I wonder how even the first version passes the quality checks
 
Almost any question passes them
 
The quality of those checks is questionable.
 
would some captcha help reducing the spam?
e.g. require captcha for users that have less than XXX reputation
or maybe captcha when creating the account?
basically anything that would slow down these morons :)
the last SD report is borderline spam
 
11:11 AM
@AdrianMole I would be more worried that it was locked by overzealous moderators. Personally, I don't see why it should be on the site at all. Yes it's popular, but just because it's popular it shouldn't be on the site.
 
@Cristik I'm flagging this as spam because the domain of the first link seems intentionally misspelled, with the purpose of intercepting traffic meant for somewhere else
it doesn't look like a legit website
 
@blackgreen good reasoning, will also cast a spam flag, then
also the question contents incline to spam
 
@AdrianMole Or to argue another way: if it didn't have the views or score, would you care if it's gone?
 
@Braiam to play the devil's advocate, vote counts are an indicator for the usefulness of the question
 
@Braiam but it does have the views and the score
 
11:23 AM
@Cristik To play the reality card: votes are a popularity contest at best.
 
and we're not talking about 5 upvotes here
 
@blackgreen And? You are seeing "value", score or views is not a metric of value.
 
@Braiam not sure I agree with you here, the voting system is one of the core principles of SO (and SE sites)
 
@Braiam I might even agree with this (probably), but it still matters. You can't just pretend that a question with high views and votes is on par with one with no views and no votes
even if it's only due to it popping up in some search engine, it has proven useful for a number of people
 
I've seen better written and correct (aka not opinion based answers) that have less score and for which I would die on a hill to defend that has zero score. The fact that it has a higher score actually undertone a problem since askers would use that example as a questions that are considered "valuable".
 
11:25 AM
and since it's closed, it can't attract spam, LQ, or whatnot
 
@blackgreen Well, look at that, I pointed another problem that is not that :)
 
A 13 year old question with a score of 0 and 2 views (one from the author of the 0-scored, sole answer) can still have the greatest value for anybody
 
Of course, specially if it's objective information.
That question in particular is a literal popularity contest "what are the most popular styles?"
 
@Braiam I don't think the closed question in discussion can be used by anyone as an example
 
@Cristik Oh, but yes it can, and yes it will.
 
11:28 AM
I don't think they stand a change in winning ar argument by referencing that (again, closed) question
 
@Cristik It's not winning the argument but points towards our hypocrisy that we allow certain questions just because they are popular.
 
in my view there's two main reasons to delete stuff: 1) the Q and/or A is so poorly written or uninformative that it is more confusing than helpful; 2) it is a less-than-stellar dupe and distracts researchers from the good answers. that question doesn't meet any of these (or if it meets 2, then a link to the proper Q&A should be posted in the comments)
 
if that's not true, than we have bigger problems than a highly upvoted but closed question, that is kept for historical, or other, reasons
 
@blackgreen And none of those reason are valid according to the help center.
 
also the world we live in is not binary, is not black and white, we also have gray in the middle
yes, I understand the irony in that, since SO is built on top of binary data :)
 
11:30 AM
"When should I delete questions? Closed questions that are of no lasting value whatsoever should be deleted."
A popularity contest lost its value the same moment it was asked.
 
who decides a question has no value?
you? me?
 
the reasons I cited qualify questions as not possessing lasting value
 
Those that can vote to delete.
@blackgreen But on very narrow circumstances, the help center is broader than that.
If you narrow the help center to the point that no question will ever meet your requirements, you are subverting the help center.
 
@Braiam I don't think that being more conservative than the help center constitutes "subversion" — at least not when it comes to removing content — and still, I have cast 1021 del-votes since I've got the 10k privilege (may exclude 5-10 dels on my own posts). I do delete stuff, just not the one that has hope to being useful to people
 
@Braiam hope you're not blindly trusting all users that earned the delete vote priviledge :)
 
11:36 AM
off-topic stuff can be closed. it doesn't have to be deleted
 
@Cristik I trust them the same as those that earned the privilege to upvote
So, I hope you do not blindly trust them either.
 
I trust no-one, not even me :)
 
Why don't you trust me?
 
@blackgreen Speaking of which, here's the anonymous feedback (those without account) and see if they also find it helpful data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1372644/…
@Cristik Well, then presume that votes don't exist and evaluate content by what it is.
 
@JeanneDark it's not you, it's me :)
 
11:52 AM
Morning
 
@Braiam it seems the positive feedback is much more than the negative one
 
@blackgreen we no longer call it "negative feedback", we now need to say "constructive feedback" :)
 
12:08 PM
if you're using a Mac, and are narcissist by nature: stackoverflow.com/questions/68353029/… :)
 
Any experts here? This question looks like there should be a decent duplicate on how to use maps.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Based on the comment "I just get lot's of errors whenever I do some new mechanic," perhaps it needs debugging details?
 
an'd speeling croection!
 
Can ROs see who starred a message?
 
1:01 PM
@JeanneDark I don't think so, only mods
 
thanks
 
Mods be like (⌐■_■) ( ⭐_⭐)>⌐■-■
 
@tripleee I'm not even 100% sure that mods can see.
CMs (and better) maybe?
 
1:23 PM
@AdrianMole If mods couldn't see, why would they need glasses? Checkmate!
 
@tripleee There's no log of actions for who starred (or unstarred) what. In fact, chat has few tools for mods beyond what have been mentioned here
 
@AdrianMole Like Lady Justice?
 
1:40 PM
^ Just saw that one in FQ review (in it's original form). Was about to CV as "needs details" when I saw it morph into spam.
 
@GeneralGrievance You're probably right. Thanks
 
2:25 PM
Is it time to another tag off the list? Discuss
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@blackgreen The important thing is that the proportion is not the same.
People on SE rarely downvotes anything.
 
2:42 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine don't forget to get lots of assisting you with cleaning up that mess
 
It's on my list :')
 
user17242583
Another "service is down" HNQ with lots of NAAs: stackoverflow.com/questions/72224477/…
 
Do we have a link to something describing why someone should flag spam instead of vote to close?
 
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@Zoe why exactly did you delete that entire question? I don't disagree with it, it just seems like a rather strong measure...
 
@NathanOliver This one?
 
2:51 PM
@richardec It's off-topic
 
@AdrianMole Yep. Thanks.
 
Off-topic, no future value, and the answers are a trainwreck with around 50% needing deletion anyway. Less work this way
 
@NathanOliver there exists also this quite recent one: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/417869
 
Don't we normally want to keep one around so we can use it as a hammer if other people post about the same issue?
@Lino Thanks. I've added that into my bookmarks as well
 
user17242583
@ZoestandswithUkraine I agree. However since it's gone, it's possible someone might re-ask it, unless the issue is solved.
 
2:54 PM
Already have. Still off-topic in several categories
 
user17242583
What do we do when a user uses Google to translate all their posts, which become incomprehensible? Treat them as normal incomprehensible posts?
 
@richardec if you can't understand what the user is writing -> VTC/flag as Needs Details or Clarity
 
if it's unclear, it's unclear
 
There's no policies against or for Google Translate (as long as it's not done on the behalf of someone else, ref. the policy not to translate non-english posts). If it's unclear, it doesn't matter if it was machine translated or not. Close and move on
 
user17242583
How come SD is reporting after deletion?
 
user17242583
what's it caching?
 
@mickmackusa unclear questions can have that effect - of answerers giving unrelated answers :)
@richardec interesting, the suggestion you posted was submitted to an answer that got deleted while the suggestion was waiting for approval/rejection
and the edit was suggested by the asker
my paranoid nature says that they are trying to cover their marks
perhaps the question was part of a homework and the OP doesn't want to be caught cheating
 
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3:25 PM
Possibly. But that all was in Nov 2020...
 
interesting then that the user actioned only now
one minute after submitting the vandalism, they deleted the question
something smells fishy regarding this course of actions
 
user17242583
the OP vandalized the question as well: stackoverflow.com/posts/64799594/revisions
 
yeah... just noticed that too
 
user17242583
Are edits that add the title into the body (among other things) fine?
 
so, they vandalized their own question, and tried to vandalize the answer
 
3:30 PM
@richardec Does it improve the post? If so, then probably yes
 
I voted to undelete that question, once (if) it gets undeleted I'll post that "do not self-vandalize" comment
nice... the question was undeleted quite fast, thanks
the OP deleted it again...
thankfully I was able to submit the self-vandalizing comment
but OP's actions don't look legit at all...
maybe a mod can step in, undelete, and lock the post for a few days?
 
user17242583
But isn't it fine for an OP to delete their question if they're able? So we can't really do much about it.
 
user17242583
It's also odd that he deleted it so fast again
 
user17242583
like is he monitoring it?
 
yeah... and the fact that they tried to vandalize other user's contents...
 
3:36 PM
@Cristik then you need to raise a mod flag to have a mod look at it
 
thanks for the suggestion, @rene! will do so
 
user17242583
 
@Cristik the overall behavior is the problem, do mention that in your flag.
 
sure thing :)
 
@richardec looks like it, yes.
 
user17242583
3:40 PM
It's weird because DharmanBot reported it SOBotics: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54556186#54556186
 
Just because DharmanBot reported it, doesn't mean it's 100% NAA, "no need to read it just spam delete why haven't you deleted yet?!?!"
 
Bots can still make errors, that's why we're here to monitor the bots
 
user17242583
 
@Lino shouldn't have been the other way around: "humans make mistakes, and bots..." :)
 
user17242583
3:45 PM
I rejected it because it's text wasn't quoted and in general gave the appearance of just being sloppily copied/pasted from an external source; however, now I noticed that there is a link at the bottom to where the content was grabbed.
 
user17242583
An answer that was very similar in form was deleted yesterday as plagiarism
 
@Cristik I didn't say that humans wouldn't make any less errors ;)
 
4:03 PM
Hmm. Two "reviewers" took over 40 minutes to complete the potential "Staging Ground" actions here. That looks like it'll take a while to get the Steward Badge in that not-a-queue.
... and Zoe says we can't get rep. for it. ;(
 
user17242583
Is copying even the docs for for one or two parameters without attribution considered plagiarism?
 
@VLAZ I assume you mean delete votes, not downvotes. No, all pending delete votes get cleared out when the question is reopened. Until recently, the users who had pending delete votes didn't even get to delete vote again, but that bug has been fixed now. cc @Cristik @AdrianMole
 
@AdrianMole oh is staging ground live now?
I have been so out of the loop on meta happenings for like 2 months
 
user17242583
@TylerH potential
 
4:10 PM
@TylerH No. Not even close. Just thinking that would be a bit like how it might work.
 
ah
 
... but hindsight is helpful. I should've gone looking for the dupe first.
... also, didn't really think deletion was coming.
Meh. When (If?) S/G goes live, that question would never have truly existed. Once closed, then it would surely have been destined for the void.
 
well... out of delete votes again... need to milk some more reputation :)
 
@cigien Oops, yes - delete votes is what I meant, indeed. They stay but are inaccessible. The downvotes also stay but you can keep adding more.
 
user17242583
@Cristik I've got a few more, and I'm not using em for anything so you can still :)
 
4:22 PM
thanks, good to know!
@bad_coder yeah, that looks like plagiarism
"Nu takes cues from a lot of familiar territory: traditional shells like bash, object based shells like PowerShell" - this is identical in both text, maybe even more, I only searched for that piece of string
 
user17242583
Well it says "Adapted from the Nushell Book:"
 
@Cristik has disclosure and changes a dozen words for their synonyms. Editor seems to be in good faith...
 
still plagiarism
 
@Cristik it's not plagiarism when you reference the source.
 
in tag wikis it is
 
4:24 PM
but it is a verbatim copy
 
verbatim copy, and not quoted
it might be the editor is in good faith, however that edit is not OK
 
@VLAZ I'm not sure what you mean by "stay but are inaccessible". To clarify, if the question gets closed again, there will be 0 delete votes on the question. So it's as if the original pending delete votes were never cast in the first place.
 
the reject reason says "Copied content", so it's not as bad as plagiarism on a question/answer
I say that the rejection reason very well transmits this message to the editor
 
@Cristik I agree!
 
@bad_coder Yep. Even with attribution, block-copy from elsewhere is not OK in tag Wikis. These should be original mini-articles, in themselves. cc @Cristik
 
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4:31 PM
@AdrianMole So I was right in rejecting this: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/31696580
 
@AdrianMole If the editor had throw in a few paragraphs of his own it could be approved...
@richardec Argh, having 5k can be a pain... Every time you come across one of these you have to google it...
 
@bad_coder Possibly. But if the quoted content of my book is more than my content, then it isn't really my book, is not?
 
user17242583
@bad_coder I so much agree. I'm always pretty cautious when dealing with those now, because I once got review suspended for 4 months for approving plagiarism. It taught me ;)
 
@bad_coder Reviewing can be a pain at any rep. If you can't handle the pain, then skip.
 
@AdrianMole obviously you haven't heard about about politicians "writing" books that are copies of some poor guy's thesis :)
 
4:35 PM
@richardec that's a harsh suspension (I'm supposing you forgot to check?!)
@Cristik lol those politicians are very incompetent, smart politicians hire a ghost writer!
@Cristik enjoy o/ see you back on Monday.
@AdrianMole there's a concept/law in the EU called right to quote I've never understood its boundaries...
 
What do we think about putting a link to an official "funnyTags" document, and adding, ... pending a proper wiki for this tag. ?
 
@AdrianMole I like funny (tags) :D
 
It's a new language I'm developing, with which to answer questions with funny language tags.
 
@Cristik that's an interesting del-pls reason: "I'm going off to weekend"
 
... like C/C++.
 
4:45 PM
good idea @bad_coder - I just realized that it is weekend by all the upcoming terrible questions
 
@tacoshy there are "weekend drivers" and "weekend programmers" (I suppose I'm a "weekend reviewer" because I just lost patience with suggested edit :P )
 
user17242583
@bad_coder i was new and stupid and jumped into the queues without reading up on how to use them :P
 
@tacoshy wait a minute, my PC clock says it's Friday :) not weekend yet!
@richardec could be worst, I was young, and beautiful, and stupid... :P
 
7pm friday for me - SO weekend, luckily a weenend I dont have to work at
 
@tacoshy unlucky weekend for me, I'm stuck doing a long drawn out implementation... (Wondering if I'll get the time to have some fun.)
 
4:49 PM
but have a look at this question and not think about the SO guideliens while reading it. The missing intends giving me alread a hard time to read. Then mixing CSS and still using the style-attr., using CSS properties such as (top, left) without position proerty...
Then using flexbox and while using flexbox using float to align elements next to each other... just gives me a cringe for "coding quality"#
 
@Cristik This seems like a useful duplicate in terms of the question title
all the others are not at all discoverable if what you are starting at is "what does this symbol mean"... unless you already know what it means
 
@TylerH I checked for that. The canonical has a number of linked questions with similar phrasing, e.g. 1, 2.
 
user17242583
@GeneralGrievance wow, non-english Q+A undeleted for almost 2 years!
 
There's more than you think if you know what to search for.
 
user17242583
unfortunately, I'm down to 1 more delete vote, so I can't help out much more today
 
5:01 PM
Does anyone know what this question is about? stackoverflow.com/questions/72226091/…
 
Should it be tagged iOs?
 
We need a widget-bundle tag. {runs away rapidly...}
 
I honestly have no idea. Keywords in the answer don't seem to help either.
 
@tacoshy "how to make CSS container responsive" has to be one of the most common questions, and yes lack of indentation is an annoyance (and it can break some code).
 
5:06 PM
@Dharman The generic terms are so generic, that I've found stuff in php, ios, and javascript
 
Can I close it?
 
Time to eat, I'll be around later when I get more CVs...
 
I am voting to close as unclear
 
I would concur. The namespaces used in the answer don't seem to pop up on any google searches, so that doesn't help.
 
I know the FAQ says I shouldn't post more than 15 cv-pls a day. Does the same go for del-pls?
 
@GeneralGrievance FAQ rule #12: "Limit the number of requests you make, particularly cv-pls requests, to "reasonable" numbers and rates of posting. The exact limits are not specified."
 
Use common sense
I this case, your last few requests didn't use up many delete votes from room participants
And generally, CV are used up much quicker than DV.
 
5:37 PM
OK. I'll keep that in mind. I just found a lot of these by searching for the word "estou," and didn't want to spam the room.
 
@GeneralGrievance I deleted a few of them
 
@Dharman That sense is lacking.
It's less common than what one may believe.
 
@Dharman Nice, thanks.
 
6:11 PM
@Cristik The system deleted it again. python script for validating JSON and correct json Maybe, let's keep it that way?
 
6:31 PM
not sure how a homework dump gets two upvotes :(
 
user17242583
It's rare for Jon Skeet to post on meta, but it happens. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/418062
 
@NathanOliver What's wrong with that question? It states the problem very clearly, and it's focused.
 
@cigien I don't see a single question mark in it. What do they need help with? Do they need to know which algorithm? do they have problem implementing it? are they asking us to do it for them?
 
This spam was quite beautiful
 
"Binacne" ouch.
 
6:36 PM
I didn't know there was a space invader emoji. I should have known better
 
@NathanOliver It not having question marks seems a bit pedantic, but sure, I added some question marks in there. Yes, they're asking for an algorithm, although answers that describe the algorithm via code would be perfectly fine. And yes, they're asking us to do it for them, that's how all "how-to" questions work.
 
7:26 PM
@AdrianMole Locked it to prevent deletion for now. Would definitely consider other options. Agreed that at a minimum, it shouldn't be deleted. (cc @Cristik)
@richardec I can confirm that DharmanBot, while a generally excellent flagger, does make mistakes. I've declined many flags from it :-p
 
@RyanM I would recommend you to read Shog more :) meta.stackexchange.com/a/112935/213575
No every question that is going to be deleted needs to be locked.
Most of the time, it actually needs to be deleted.
 
@Braiam Sure, and I think this one doesn't. Per Shog, it "Hosts answers of lasting value to the Stack Overflow community and The Internet at large"
 
@RyanM Yeah and "Experienced users have indicated their support for deletion by voting in significant numbers" and "Closed for lengthy period of time, no apparent effort to re-open" and "Answers are generally of poor quality, and in total provide nothing of exceptional value to the site or the larger viewing audience"
 
Experienced users have expressed concern about deletion. There've been efforts to re-open it. And the answers are generally of high quality.
 
7:46 PM
@RyanM 5 user delete votes, a single user voting to reopen, other users telling to keep them closed. Vs 2 users on this chat.
 
Well, three users if you count me. And one of the users wishing to keep closed also expressed concern about deletion.
 
I expressed support for deletion, if we are going to go that way :)
 
8:34 PM
So... I am taking the survey. Do I count as "member of the SO community"? 😂
 
I mean, I'd hope so.
If you don't, who would?
 
🤣
 
user17242583
What do we do when a post contains offensive revisions? Mod flag? stackoverflow.com/posts/72189547/revisions
 
@richardec yes, though I'll just handle that one now
 
user17242583
@RyanM Okay, thank you. I already did flag it, but I wanted to know if there was anything else that I could do.
 
8:39 PM
Nah, needs a moderator to really do anything. We can edit revision comments.
 
user17242583
@RyanM the whole post and user really should be nuked
 
Uhm... I use Notepad++ (b/c one of our customers provided me with hardware, and it has windows pre-installed). But I do not use it for development/programming... do I tick it as "development environment"? Same goes for nano... I use it, but not as development environment.
 
@DanielWiddis you posted the same post twice better delete one of them.
 
@Turing85 Call you use Dev Adjacent ;)
 
@richardec not gonna nuke a user over that, but...yeah, the post should just go. easier than editing the revision comments.
 
8:47 PM
Apprarently there's a juicy Python burnination coming up with 80% of Qs having the Python tag there'll be a lot of duplicate closing.
 
user17242583
@bad_coder Are you saying I should stay out of the CV queue? ;)
 
user17242583
I'd be happy to if I can spend the time hammering (I love doing that) :)
 
user17242583
@NickODell It's a form of poll; one is for showing support for burning [writing], the other for burning [write]. If there's no opposition, we're taking out both. Could definitely be clearer, though — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 3 mins ago
 
@NathanOliver I'd call it "lack of alternatives".
 
I use VS Code for all of my canned comments.
 
8:56 PM
"How favorable are you about blockchain, crypto, and decentralization?" - What kind of question is this? I like blockchain, I dislike crypto...
@RyanM Isn't this what pastebin is for?
 
That sounds way more annoying than just using a text editor :D
@Turing85 What's wrong with cryptography? ;-)
 
@RyanM ...
@RyanM btw wanna talk crypto a bit? If so -> MOSH pit
 
seriously, though, that question is terrible for so many reasons
Sure, though I might be stepping away periodically :-p
 
@richardec not at all, be my guest to hammer. I'll be happy to feed posts into the review queue.
 
user17242583
Is there such a thing as or ?
 
user17242583
9:06 PM
Not that I'd actually ever have a use for such a thing, but I'm curious.
 
@richardec Not here. up and down vote request are not allowed in this room.
 
Explicitly requesting up- or down-votes is not allowed. The only implicit downvote request is when posting a del-pls on a zero-scored post.
 
The only exception is you can post a del-pls request on a question that needs to be down voted before it can be deleted.
 
9:39 PM
It should be punishable by 1-week ban to downvote meta posts about grammar. Clearly they mistake my desire to improve the website for some sort of "grammar-nazi" agenda
 
10:08 PM
 
@MFerguson But one should still be allowed to downvote posts that use infinitive verb forms instead of gerundive expressions. ;-P
 
10:25 PM
Can moderators fail review audits and get auto banned by the audit system?
 
@MFerguson I believe so. We definitely get audits. I think we can hypothetically unban ourselves, though.
In reality, I think most of us would probably get another moderator to do it if it were a judgement call.
 
I believe mods can also suspend themselves from review.
 
@HenryEcker We definitely can't, actually: "User not eligible for review suspension: user is a moderator"
So...maybe we can't be audit-banned either.
 
Hmmmm interesting. I must be misremembering what I read (or it's been changed)
 
It could well have changed with the refreshed review-ban system.
Obviously we have no idea because all our reviews are perfect.
 
10:38 PM
At the system level that's certainly an accurate statement
 
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