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user17242583
00:09
Would anyone choose Looks OK for this?
@richardec That's...kind of inscrutable, IMO.
user17242583
@RyanM I agree. So in that case I'd VTD, seeing that you've deleted it?
user17242583
Aside: I'm curious - @RyanM, you being a mod, what does your review queue progress bar look like?
That would be my recommendation, yeah. An answer that's so completely unclear that the asker would be unable to even attempt it to see if it works, is not an answer.
@richardec Normal, then sits at 100% progress once I hit the limit and go beyond it.
user17242583
@RyanM Funny; I'd expect it to not show up at all or something...
00:19
I suppose it's a recommended number of reviews, perhaps :-)
user17242583
Probably.
user17242583
I really wish I could have unlimited reviews...reviewing suggested edits is so easy for me and the queue is almost always full...oh well.
user17242583
It would be nice if mods could allow users extra permissions, like they can deny them.
Yeah, I'd support some way of getting more suggested edit reviews done. The queue being full is a real problem.
Part of the problem is that a lot of the suggestions are terrible, but...
user17242583
True. I'm surprised how many I reject in a row at times.
00:27
I've found that, ignoring "Improve", my accept:reject ratio is about 2:1
@richardec It's the same. The review queues don't really change for mods. The only two changes I know of are: no daily review limits, and the addition of a new "mod" button/link on review tasks (analogous to the "mod" link we already have on all posts).
It's easy for the accept/reject ratio to get skewed for reviewers. Lots of good reviewers will "skip" the easy/obvious ones, and focus their votes on the ones that are most likely to get reviewed wrongly.
@CodyGray We also have a fifth option for suggested edits: "Delete"
Doesn't work on tag wiki edits though, despite being there :-(
Ah, yeah. I always forget whether the deletes the post, or the suggested edit itself.
The post.
I think on suggested edits, it deletes the edit, whereas on other review tasks, it deletes the post, but I could be wrong.
00:30
I've used it only once. It's questionable whether it's actually worth being there as an option.
@CodyGray No, it deletes the entire post. I did it once.
Yeah, that's... of dubious usefulness.
"This post is getting poor-quality edits, let's just delete the whole thing" is rarely the right call.
IIRC someone had tried to "improve" an NAA, so I deleted it.
00:47
@DanielWiddis is there a "QA server" in the MS infrastructure I'm unaware of? Maybe it'll need it's own tag, maybe not... But it seems like "a thing".
01:40
@tony19 @RyanM @CodyGray @MarcoBonelli As to automating requests for canceling a request: Automating it from the RO side has previously been suggested. There's been enough opposition to doing so such that we've previously decided not to implement it. I don't recall discussions about automation/assistance for users posting requests for cancellation (beyond adding a "reply" button to a user's own messages).
As to the "reply to self" functionality, it was implemented and placed in the Archiver. I've done most of the work to release it as a separate userscript (and not interfere with the Archiver), but it's yet another one of those things that's gotten mostly done and then something that's a higher priority has usurped activity.
@bad_coder Why POB? I could see "no MRE" or "not reproducible," but it looks fact based to me.
01:59
@bad_coder I'm sure there are many in some places. There used to even be a "SWE Test" job role. But no clue what that question was asking.
@StephenOstermiller mmm, I went with the 1st CV'ers reason. But the Q says: "button is not sufficiently within the boundries" so what's "sufficient"? That's why I went with POB.
@DanielWiddis ok, I'm guessing there'll be a number of tags that mixed together with search will allow to narrow things down.
 
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04:06
It's 9pm y'all, time for more Quickbooks spam!
Clockwork
04:48
I'm failing in upping my "confirmed spam flags" count 'cuz RyanM is too fast.
:D
As a spoiler, I'm cheating a bit: they're being posted after I've deleted them due to latency within the SD/MS system.
I'm grabbing them out of the flag queue, manually reporting them, waiting a few seconds for SD to grab the post data, then nuking them.
I was wondering how you so accurately predicted the quickbooks spam.
Obviously because I'm secretly in league with the spammers to get my helpful flag count up.
05:00
@GeneralGrievance or maybe is it Java in that answer? :)
Should we close stackoverflow.com/q/19655975/1974224 as a typo? Judging by the accepted answer, and the body of a question, it's clearly a typo, however, others have pitched in and gave other useful solutions.
@Cristik Yeah but it's attracting non-useful solutions. My gut feel is leave it alone but I wouldn't cry if it went away.
@DanielWiddis closing the question would solve that problem too :)
Can it not be closed as a dupe instead? Something tells me that's a common question.
05:17
strictly referring to the question body, it's not a dupe, as the OP has the code, just that it's not working for him, but yeah, given the ultimate goal of the question, a duplicate whould work better
@Cristik Do you mean the accepted answer? Because that seems rather different from the answer you linked
Woohoo, I got a spam flag in.
@Cristik Nope. C# Unity. I almost commented the usual "Java is not JavaScript," but then I looked up Vector3.
@HenryEcker both answers say to invert the returns
though even the target duplicate has a "Possible Duplicate:" notice :)
but seems the one I linked is closer to the question in discussion
So much scrolling on that one...
05:54
Is this too graphical/decorated or not concerningly? stackoverflow.com/a/43635394/2943403 Some of it seems a bit attention-seeking and we don't want answerers to be making a habit of this technique.
I don't find it cluttered or difficult to follow. Though I certainly wouldn't argue that it adds irreplaceable substance to the answer.
It doesn't need any of those emojis in the titles. Remove them.
The snails are fun. The lightning bolts are a bit more than I need.
+1 snails are cute, lightning bolts are annoying. So is the font size.
@JeanneDark how do you find this garbage?
looks like my editing was too slow
05:58
It's not hard to find
Adding the attribution makes the snails even cuter. :-)
You seem to find posts that are...exceptionally well suited for deletion.
Should one of us remove your comment there, @mickmackusa, as well as their response? Does the link you included in your comment need to be edited into the corresponding paragraph of the answer?
@RyanM Everyone has a talent.
SO is full of them
Talented people? Indeed! ;-)
06:02
@CodyGray hmm... I just unfolded the comments and saw my old comment. I think most researcher will breeze past the fringe case described in the answer.
but many researchers may miss my folded comment too.
I've very meh about it. I can delete it if you like. (or you can delete it first)
We can't solve the problem of people not reading answers. But we can certainly solve the problem of ensuring that the information is available in the answer, instead of buried in a comment.
I would have already deleted without nagging/pinging you, except I'm afraid it may contain some useful info.
Maybe add the explicit example to the answer (please)
If I do the edit, then I risk being labeled "the self-righteous man" again.
Oh, better let me do it, no one's ever called me self-righteous!
Not today, at least.
We can change that if you want
Shush, you couldn't say anything mean about me if you wanted to.
06:06
Is Jeanne actually a Cody bot?
Is this why there is so much curation, but not so much rep?
I was tired of being called a "self-righteous man", so I went with an all-knowing female eye instead?
@CodyGray I'm sure someone's sent us a mod message calling us that, let me check the moderator inbo...ah never mind it's full of six dozen "destroy spammer" messages.
06:55
@karel my open opens My close closed
07:11
haha, you deleted the (once) upvoted answer on that horrible dupe @CodyGrey Are you preserving the question because it represents a "good" signpost? If so, I disagree.
@mickmackusa Not necessarily. Although I keep imagining memes of you going around the neighborhood removing stop signs because their posts don't meet your quality standards.
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08:29
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08:46
Is anyone still seeing Trending sort? Otherwise I'm unfeaturing the announcement, since I believe the experiment was ended for performance reasons.
I asked, but I have not yet received an answer. I suspect it is over. I'm not seeing it anywhere anymore, whereas I previously seeing it everywhere.
Well, that's good enough for me. Taking down the featured post about it. We can always put it back later if it's still running.
Should we now feature a public-service announcement about not voting to close spam?
@CodyGray Do you think that would help?
I was thinking we should feature a post containing the correct support phone numbers for Quickbooks, Binance, Coinbase, and all the major airlines.
But your idea works too.
@JeanneDark I never would have thought sending mod messages to the users doing so would help, either, but it seems to have helped. I've gotten positive feedback from almost everyone, suggesting that they were unaware of the "spam" flag option and will plan to use it in the future.
@RyanM Could be one and the same!
09:03
If you do, make sure to also note why we don't want to delete-vote spam.
@CodyGray Mod messages they actually see, but maybe they would notice a PSA also
Well, I've heard that mod messages "aren't helpful", so I don't know.
If we put the support numbers one on the main site, then people can close the other questions as duplicates of it. Err, wait, maybe that's bad.
@RyanM Duplicate of this message.
This would be specifically for the support numbers! A canonical spam post would surely be closed as "Needs more focus."
09:07
Wouldn't stop us from dupe-closing against it! :-)
Oh, well, except it would have to be answered, and the answer would have to upvoted. :-c
What a stupid rule.
Or accepted!
I've never checked whether self-accepts count.
it is kind of a silly rule.
Especially given that you can upvote the answer, VTC, then retract the vote. Of course, you can only do that 30 (?) times per target answer...
@RyanM depends - if the question is "what are the spam phone numbers" then it's too broad. If it's "what are spam phone numbers for quickbooks" it's not too broad.
I fear it'll still be "too broad"; we've got a list of hundreds of phone numbers now, and counting.
Ugh, so we'll need a tag for this, and the tag already says "DO NOT USE THIS TAG ON QUESTIONS THAT ARE SPAM"...
What tag are you supposed to use on questions that are spam?
Tag wiki excerpts are so unhelpful!
09:11
@RyanM Does it still count towards the daily answer-vote limit when you retract your vote?
it says "we have a special flag for that!" though it doesn't elaborate on how one should tag the questions.
@JeanneDark Yeah, it shouldn't. I was also wondering about that.
wait a little? a spam tag that says to no tag the spam questions with it?
@JeanneDark I vaguely recall that it does not, though I'm not 100% certain.
09:12
it's like a C++ tag asking people to not use it for c++ questions :)
Makes sense, aren't you supposed to tag those with ?
@CodyGray No, that's for questions about the IDE...for questions about code, you're supposed to use the tag for the code inside the IDE. That's what the tag is for. Duh.
@StephenOstermiller Rawr.
Then what is left for my assembly questions?
Its a very versatile tag
If you want to leave room there is always
09:17
That's for Meta.
In their defense, maybe those spam questions were posted before the guidance was added to the tag description?
> The SPAM can be attributed to its properties like anti fungal, anti microbial, anti oxidant, anti septic, anti inflammatory, anti spasmodic, anti bacterial, cholagogue and choleretic, cicatrisant, depurative …
Yes, I'm guessing that's why that got added there.
We actually used to edit spam and redact it.
More recently, correct uses of the tag included such gems as "So I've decided to make a spam bot with discord's python library and I'm not sure whether it is correct. Can people help me check?"
09:20
@CodyGray Sounds like fun with posts like that Coinbase etc. spam campaign
I don't have enough keys on my keyboard to even replicate those posts.
Is there a user script for flagging spam directly from chat with one click?
FIRE, but it takes two clicks: one to click on the FIRE icon, revealing a preview of the spam, and a second click to flag it as spam.
two clicks :(
09:24
Hey, don't complain. It takes us mods 3 clicks to nuke the spam and destroy the account.
@RyanM and I want to use that spam bot for SO
2 clicks: 1 to open the question, 1 to open the destroy function, then hit enter three times :-p
@RyanM Three times! You need to become a superuser.
or maybe re-route the keys from "The key" stackoverflow.blog/2022/05/04/…
I tried to buy it, but they're out of stock :-(
09:28
@Cristik C for "Destroy spam account"
@VLAZ What's the "V" do?
"Destroy VLAZ's account"?
Yes. I'm actually very happy nobody has pressed that button yet.
That's because nobody can get the keyboard.
We have (it was a typo!), but luckily for you, you have enough rep that mods can't destroy your account. You should, however, be wary about a CM pressing it...
Please nobody send Catja one of these keyboards.
09:33
Too much rep really prevents account deletion by mods?
Tanks in advanced.
It prevents destruction (removes all content) by mods entirely. It prevents deletion without staff approval.
Too much rep presents destroying an account, which is the option we use for spammers. For deletion of high-rep accounts, we can submit a request, but it isn't immediately actioned until it is approved by a CM.
We recently learned that staff can apparently destroy accounts regardless of reputation, though.
Thanks!
That means I should stop upvoting spam?
09:34
I've yet to have a request to delete a high-rep user's account denied. :-)
Requests to not delete a high-rep user's account are actually faring much worse.
@JeanneDark Spam is positive contribution - helps the site's anti-spam measures be improved. I think spammers should be rewarded with reputation for improving the site. It's much more useful than the thousands of low effort duplicates. /s
These poor people, just wanting to spam one, single post to their own website. Getting their spam deleted within seconds because we're all riled up about the phone number spam.
@VLAZ It's also more welcoming. Upvoting is like saying "Thanks", "Thanks for telling me about that very useful support number!"
@VLAZ Reworded, indeed.
09:38
You saw nothing.
@JeanneDark But Ryan already determined that the support number doesn't work, so I think that makes this non-useful spam. Downvote away.
I was gonna say I only tried one, but it was the one that was just posted...
It just shows that they are humans, and humans make mistakes and have feelings that can be hurt
*takes notes*
Imagine if we could turn one of the support number spammers into a useful contributor, the next Skeet, just by showing kindness and supporting them with upvotes
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09:41
They've certainly got the posting volume for it.
@RyanM Reminds me more of another 1m+ user ;)
I have a feeling Jon wasn't necessarily shown kindness via upvotes in the early days.
What it Jon Skeet is spamming all of this? Because he is lonely and wants to talk to a human.
Why would anyone want to talk to a human?
I don't know, it's a mystery.
09:42
That's why the support numbers don't work. They don't want to talk to us
@JeanneDark I can see it now:
> I recommend you use java.time for this. The ReadableInstant class provides this exact functionality.
>
> java.time Support Number +1804-555-1234 #♩ΣAγ♩ Support Pho.ne Number customer
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10:00
@RyanM oh wait I didn't realize there's a new version...
@RyanM Because you're not following the blog, probably. Which...is a totally valid stance I approve of.
I was too busy rewriting all of my performance-sensitive C++ code into Java to follow the new posts blog.
@StephenOstermiller I don't see it, they appear to be asking how to have multiple versions of their code deployed from a single repo
There's a new keyboard to write the awful Python code discussed on the blog?
@tripleee Using a specific host
10:03
@tripleee +1 - I'm not sure exactly what they're asking, and it might be unclear, but I don't think it's customer service.
@StephenOstermiller So? You'd rather have a broad, unfocused question?
@RyanM is there at least a number I can call for that customer service?
@Adriaan part of me wants to say you should post on SO and ask, but that might give the spammers ideas...
@RyanM I might just set up a VPN and create a new account for that, rather than risk this one
We'll be on the lookout for suspiciously colored spammers with trunks.
10:06
Darn, I'll have to ask my cousin Leo to paint over his green hide
@CodyGray If you are going to ask about what features a specific host supports, you should ask them directly rather than asking on a community of programmers. If there question were about using git the tool as opposed to github the site, I'd think that would be more on-topic
@StephenOstermiller With that logic, shouldn't you ask Microsoft any questions about using Visual Studio? JetBrains any questions about using IntelliJ? That's not how a Q&A site works.
@CodyGray fair enough, this question may not require inside information from the company to answer it. Please bin my request.
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@DalijaPrasnikar You're not proposing deletion? Are you feeling OK? Did you eat too much spam?
@CodyGray It has been used as dupe target
I would otherwise suggest deletion, but cleaning it all up could be messy
Maybe we should just wiki it?
Unfortunately, there are so many different answers.
Sounds fine to me
I know there is a merge option... this one would require split option ;)
10:33
If I could merge all of the answers into one, that would also be nice.
Mods should be able to move answers between questions.
Given that there's no answer that could reasonably be transformed into a CW there, I guess I'm just going to lock. If someone would prefer that I add a new CW answer, delete all the existing ones, and merge them into the CW answer, let me know.
@CodyGray It is not very likely that answers will require updating, so locking does not have much downsides here.
Except adding a new editor was the whole reason multiple people wanted to re-open it.
From the comments:
> This should be broken up into separate questions for the different editors!
> @FirstUser, nah, then there'd be way too many questions. I say consolidate them all in one definitive question.
:facedesk:
10:47
Merge all the questions: then nothing can ever be closed as a duplicate!
I don't know why they cannot just add post new question for new editor
Apparently because "there'd be way too many questions" which I guess maybe people thought might be an issue in 2011?
No, we were way past "too many questions", even in 2011.
Oh you mean now
Yeah, they should post a new question.
10:48
People just love lists ;)
added a note to that effect:
Anyone who wants to add to the information here should create a new question for that specific editor (if one doesn't already exist) and answer that question. Giant lists like this have gotten unmanageable in the decade since this question was posted: turns out there are a lot of editors. Who knew? — Ryan M ♦ 40 secs ago
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Maybe we just need questions with lists of questions?
Agree on being too broad. Each editor/IDE might even have different keybindings. So there might not even be one single way to do this.
@JeanneDark Actually, ability to additionally organize questions could be useful. But, this would be a whole other layer on top of existing site.
11:57
Morning
 
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13:35
@VLAZ so you suggest a question for every key / editor combination ? Q: What does Ctrl+Alt+0 do in Notepad? A: Nothing. rinse repeat ....
Oh, PS, in case anywhere here uses Heroku and didn't here, there was a breach of its core database (like, the worst possible vuln) yesterday/today apparently. status.heroku.com/incidents/2413
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aand last one for the morning
Last support phone number spam of the morning? Fantastic! I didn't know you were in control of this.
@CodyGray Day 241, they finally discover me
13:51
It was clever from you to not answer the phone when Ryan M called, but now you made a crucial mistake
@TylerH ouch!
13 messages moved to SOCVR Request Graveyard (including several previous cleanups because the spammers are really working hard today)
14:33
Is it allowed to post the same question on SO and on SO.Russian?
... I'm fairly sure those are the same person with different usernames.
I think the same rules apply re: cross-posting
but I'm not sure, because a lot of content gets replicated for the benefit of foreign language users
Is it cross-posting? One is in Russian, the other in English...
But it appears to be an exact duplicate (after translation).
Cross-posting is about sites, not about languages. This would be an exception based on the different language, not a 'not cross-posting' classification, in my opinion
But my knowledge re: the different lang situation is hazy at best both because I'm not on any of the foreign SO sites and because it's based on activity when they were first starting up (e.g. seeding the question with some good content from the main SO site) where rules may have been different on a temporary basis
But is it cross-posting if it's in a different language. They are then not the exact same question, even though they may ask the same. And you need to translate them first.
14:37
@JeanneDark A question is still the same question regardless of what language it's asked in
@TylerH But it's not the same question copy-pasted and asked on a different stack
@JeanneDark In spanish.so we call that cross posting
Hmm. No official answer after 8 years.
@AdrianMole This is the faq for xposting meta.stackexchange.com/a/64069/213575
So they should not be allowed to ask a question on SO in English, because they posted it first on SO.Russian in Russian? I don't speak Russian so the Russian post would be of no use to me, likewise the English post for someone who only speaks Russian.
That's a fundamental difference to, say, the same question asked on SO and Super User.
14:40
The thing is that who makes sure that the best information is on both?
Personally, I think that one should be closed but with a link to the other. These days, there are many decent translation tools that will help those who can't speak or read the relevant (i.e. left open) language.
Here is a second thread (on MSO) with an SO mod answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/335297/…
@AdrianMole What would be the benefit of that?
It would reduce the number of potentially suspicious upvotes. :-)
For what it's worth, my opinion is in line with deceze's answer: they're separate silos of knowledge and thus it ought to be OK (because by default people are not bi- or multi-lingual and thus can't avail themselves of both resources). But that's just my opinion.
14:46
@AdrianMole So the question here should be closed with a link to the Russian post and when I have the same problem, I have to translate the Russian post? And if I know another possible solution, I'd also have to translate it and post it as an answer in Russian?
@TylerH I guess the same would apply to someone who asks the same question, near-simultaneously, on SO and Reddit and Quora and Cody's-Cat, etc., etc.
@AdrianMole I would really hate to try to feed code through machine translation...
For my part, I would decline a flag to remove a question here because it was posted on a foreign-language SO site
Well, at least in this case, the asker explicitly linked the original (Russian) post. That's a sign of good intent, I guess.
15:00
@TylerH I agree, I think crossposting to the different language SOs in a perfect world should be encouraged as that helps each language's repository of information be more equal
user17242583
Is this an answer? It's like saying "use Python for it"
15:15
@desertnaut hehe.. your editing has style Congrats
@SurajRao :-0
@richardec It's more of a "use regex for it". It's not a very useful answer but seems like an answer. It even refers to a resource and mentions which module to use, which can lead you to the documentation. Still not great but a far cry from not an answer.
@richardec Personally, I'd say no. In that I wouldn't fault someone for choosing Delete from review. That said, I don't think I would flag that as NAA myself.
user17242583
@VLAZ yes, that's something, but then you could either post that answer on every single python regex question...
As I said, not a very good answer.
15:21
also unclear would do
Well that was quick meta.stackexchange.com/a/378510/1099857 @TylerH
It turns out that all dedicated language sites encourage it by way of their individual help centers cc: @AdrianMole @JeanneDark
Moot point, in this case - I closed the English one as a duplicate. :-)
That's likely to happen given how large English/main SO is. It's also worth noting that those documents encourage moving content from main SO to the language specific sites not the other way
So, maybe I should scour the non-English SO sites, looking for highly upvoted questions, then just translate and post them on the English site. Быстрые очки единорога
I think that OP crossposting in multiple languages is different than plagiarism without attribution. Kind of like taxation without represntation
15:48
@MFerguson well, the requirement for attribution is still there (and the help center blurb that Glorfindel quoted rightfully points out it should be done)
@SurajRao thanks for the heads-up, I attempted an answer...
I stumbled upon this StackExchange API page: api.stackexchange.com/docs/recommend-answer Anyone knows what "recommending" an answer means?
@MarcoBonelli Something something collective something resistance is futile
Ohh so if you are a recognized member of a collective you can "recommend" answers relevant to the collective, got it...
15:58
I've seen one intel recommended answer, it was ok.
Yeah folks at the Intel Collective never disappoint from my experience.
@MarcoBonelli that could be a good question for Stack Apps (I might or might not be affiliated with that site)
@rene I preferred the fast lane of bothering people in SOCVR this time :') I knew that was a silly question and I was missing something
@Adriaan this seems to be edited with code now...
user17242583
16:39
I just was review suspended for this: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/31692881, but I really don't see why. I approved it because it corrected the title grammar by adding a question mark (either "How to ..." without "?", or "How do I ..." with "?")
@richardec A one character suggested edit was not considered a big enough improvement to be accepted by the other reviewers. The reject reason given by the other two reviewers was "The edit does not improve the quality of the post. Changes to the content are unnecessary or make the post more confusing."
user17242583
@karel but it "clearly improved the post", which was the option I chose
user17242583
Now that spam post is an odd post if I've ever seen one. 8 views and 9 votes!?
@richardec there are actually 2 edits.. A comma in the last line which IMO is a filler text
Some questions have dozens of typos even up to one hundred typos or more. It would take too much time to improve such questions if we permitted editors to earn two points every time a suggested edit fixed one character at a time.
17:01
Why am I not surprised that someone upvoted that
@JeanneDark Frustration with (and empathy for the poster) the silly filter for question titles?
Empathy?
Sympathy? But I've certainly felt frustrated, on occasions, when trying to improve an edit title, only to be told I can't have that as a title.
18:00
@khelwood they are excused
@richardec red flags automatically reduce the post score by 1. If 6 users were to both flag and downvote you could (could) have a spam deleted post with 6 views and -12.
Anyone else ever get the feeling "I can never get any work done because of all the work I have to do"?
@TylerH only all the time.
I also have the issue where I go into work and no matter how much I get done my todo list is longer at the end of the day that it was when I started.
@TylerH not really. More like I cant get my work proberly done because of all the silly tasks. But I'm just a paramedic that gets send on a 1h task because some elder person refuses to drink...
@TylerH I gave up trying to get anything done 6 to 8 weeks ago.
@HenryEcker you can solve that point by not keeping a to-do list ...
18:25
@miken32 That seems like a reasonable question. At least, it doesn't appear to be asking for any off-site resources.
18:45
@cigien the question looks unclear to me. OP is asking about structs, but from which perspective? What are their expectation from such a data type in PHP?
are they comparing them with the C structs? or the (more powerful) C++ ones?
@cigien It was the "can anyone give me example" that kind of gave off "request for resources" vibes for me
@miken32 that was likely just a bad choice of words
clearly they're refering to coldfusion structs
basically they are asking if structs are possible in PHP, and someone to give them some code examples. It's a "How to do XXX in YYY" kind of question, which is not necessarily off-topic
certainly not "off topic"
it could have used clarification, 11 years ago, to narrow down what exactly they're looking for
there's no value in that clarification happening now
18:52
It's programming alright, why would the asker want structs on PHP? That seems to be an XY question
Remind me of how we usually handle vocabulary identification questions such as this one.
of course
yeah, unclear questions tend to be XY problem
@E_net4 downvote to oblivion
Ok if there's consensus it's not off topic can an RO remove that request? @Machavity
18:54
Doesn't php has class?
Yes, that's covered in several of the answers
@KevinB You speak using my vocabulary, I see. ;)
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19:06
why was this ^^^ catalogued as scam?
due to the phone number?
@SmokeDetector cc @Cristik
@KevinB I love seeing questions tagged and all it mentions is the word 'structure' somewhere in the body and not at all about C++
19:39
@bad_coder Interesting little markdown issue there ```sh = input('Enter Hours: ') both hid the first line of code and changed the syntax highlighting to lang-sh (bash)
If I'm looking to flag a bunch of redundant answers for cleanup, what's the shortest URL format I can use? I thought I remembered someone saying that something like "a/49297774" would work in the mod tools?
Yes /a/post_id is the shortest
Perfect, thanks
In a link context though like [1](/a/post_id)
Otherwise it'll just be plain text
@HenryEcker ugh, reminds me of having to enter lots of ' for escaping in SQL queries, been doing that a lot today
20:00
@HenryEcker called the info string in the CommonMark spec (or language code on SE). Apparently the canonical is missing the sh abbreviation but what likely happened is the parser went for sh.
@bad_coder Right. I understood what happened and how to fix it. I didn't mean it was an issue with the way that SO handled the markdown, I meant it was an interesting issue with the markdown as written by the OP.
As in it took me a few seconds to figure out why the try-except wasn't being highlighted and it turned out the answer was that someone thought sh was a good variable name and it happened to be in the first line
@HenryEcker I never got into setting breakpoints in the syntax highlight script I think it's massively under supported on GitHub (like few devs contributing) for such an impactful application.
Hmm, I just noticed that the "spam" option in the CVRequestGenerator userscript doesn't allow for additional text. Is that a configurable option? The "offensive" option does allow for additional text.
@HenryEcker unfortunately only Python is supported by SE but Python REPL also has its own syntax. Personally I've missed support for the good old CMD/BAT, and languages like Julia aren't supported at all...
@HenryEcker best highlight parser bug so far IMO was this one
20:20
@cigien It's not configurable in settings. It's a logic error here
Since 'spam' appears in the requestTypesWithNoReason we go into the else but there's then no check to see if it is also in the requestTypesWithOptionalReasonarray
Alternatively the declarations are just incorrect and 'spam' should only appear in requestTypesWithOptionalReason and not requestTypesWithNoReason as it currently appears in both arrays
@HenryEcker On second look I think that's more likely that that was the intention. Since 'spam' is the only value that appears in both arrays
@HenryEcker Thanks a lot. I don't know what the intent of the code is, but I added if (requestType !== 'spam') inside the else branch on 3018, and it seems to solve the problem :p
First time I used the !== operator as well :)
@cigien NP. Glad it worked out. I removed 'spam' from L69 and it worked just fine for me as well. If I were to make the fix (on the dist version) that's probably the one I would choose.
20:38
Ah, if that works, I'll do that instead. Easier to remember next time the userscript gets an update.
@KevinB Oops, did I do something that's bad practice? Quite possible (even likely) :)
Shouldn't that be !!==, or is the doubling only needed for !!=== ? :-)
... or !=!=?
it should have been a self executed lambda that uses destructuring
in es6 format
well, obviously. ;(
if(((rt) => !!!!!(rt === 'spam'))(requestType))
20:47
Oh yeah, I almost wrote that, but changed my mind at the last moment ;)
Oh! I know that! It's brainfuck, right?
@cigien Just to be clear, despite all the nonsense currently happening, your code was absolutely fine for what you were trying to do.
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@MFerguson Ah, I remember that post, even upvoted it! Thank you, I'll note that.
@HenryEcker But I would recommend just removing 'spam' from requestTypesWithNoReason both because it is an easier fix and the logic stays controlled entirely by those arrays
Ok, thanks. Fortunately, there weren't really any language specific constructs to deal with, just plain logic. And yeah, I went with the second approach finally.
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