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00:25
@BendertheGreatest no problem, don't worry about it. The Q doesn't look good but the code in the comments suggests the whole thing made some sense. Anyway, there are some tags I like with less than 100 Qs so I think we should be tolerant on those tags.
 
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03:11
Any knowledgeable person: how should one handle a "X worked for me too" type answer to a question? It just briefly states that another answer worked for this person, thanking them. It isn't NAA but it is low-quality, but I've been dinged too many times in the past for flagging an answer as VLQ. For reference. Thanks
@HovercraftFullOfEels Custom flag noting that it's a duplicate/thanks pointing to the other answer works best. I've deleted that one. We mostly handle NAA/VLQ identically, and it's not obvious that these answers are thanks, as people often post none-dupes in this format.
NAA Works for me, too. Thanks.
@RyanM: thanks for the quick f/u
@HovercraftFullOfEels Hmmmm... that statement could be interpreted in some very different ways. :;
I thought the same thing :-) I decided to take it as "fix-up" rather than "****-up" or "**** you", as it'd be weird to thank me for the latter two ;-)
 
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This answer doesn't seem to relate to the question? It's a solution to a different problem? Or am I missing the excel file in the question?
@HenryEcker I don't see how it could be related either. Deleted it.
@RyanM Thank you for the second look
05:04
@SmokeDetector Opinions on which revision this should be rolled back to? Trying to make sure it's useful.
@RyanM I think Revision 6 is the most useful even though it has the information they're trying to redact
I went with 8 when I rolled back (also sorry for the pings I can't type)
times I have seen the community bot flag an actual rollback war: zero.
Did we both just get one?
times the community bot has flagged a single user picking the wrong revision and rolling back twice in a row: three.
times that user has been me: two.
To be fair that timeline is a bit of a mess
05:09
Honestly I think the check is bugged.
05:20
@SmokeDetector Wrong kind of debugging.
06:10
all seem to want to stuff the entire question in the title. Dont they realize they are not on twitter?
06:53
@SurajRao I'll take that any day over "hi ! I am new to programming ,I started learning dart to work on flutter ,my question is in while loops" or "how to solved this in Javascript"
Examples that I wish I could say I either made up or had saved for a while, but actually encountered in the last few minutes.
07:09
Should this be a comment instead of an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/5681581/2943403
@mickmackusa yes, although I considered deleting it outright. It certainly doesn't answer the question.
@RyanM thx for f'ing/u the page! ;)
ha :-) np
07:35
copying the same answer around to serval questions is fround upon right?
@DaImTo Yes. Feel free to flag for moderator attention. Exact byte-for-byte dupes are auto-flagged, but occasionally it's not byte-for-byte and so the extra flag never hurts.
@RyanM Okay just flagged three hate to bug mods. I duplicate voted the questions already to the one they answered which is correct.
09:08
Is anybody familiar with IonCube or Zend Loader? Are they tools for programmers or is a question about installing them off-topic?
@StephenOstermiller See . Can't say the same for though.
@AdrianMole Yeah, probably tools for programmers
Well, if you call PHP programming, I suppose so. :-P
@mickmackusa Both of those look like link-only answers which should be deleted. Too low quality to convert to a comment.
11:00
@Makyen @RyanM: oops, "follow-up" :D
Ah, all my guesses were wrong!
@RyanM: it's a medical abbreviation: medical abbreviations
@HovercraftFullOfEels ahhh! Are you in that field? Despite getting ads to read about the latest studies about prescription drugs on Twitter and having terrible handwriting, I (as you may guess) have no professional connections to that industry.
Though I have a parent who worked in the pharmaceutical industry.
@RyanM Yes, I'm a physician, a gastroenterologist
11:07
Ah, very cool :-)
one who is about to retire
@AdrianMole Done. I cleaned up off-topic questions in , and then merged the rest into . There were only about 5-6 remaining after the clean-up, for what it's worth.
@AdrianMole Thank you! Better late than never, I suppose.
@CodyGray No compliants here!
@CodyGray In doing so, I deleted this old, off-topic, low-view-count question, and I thought wistfully of @JeanneDark. :-)
@Turing85 You're welcome. As indicated previously, I'm happy to help you or anyone else compose useful comments and/or edit tag wikis along those lines.
@Adriaan I disagree that that is accepted/acceptable. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@Cristik Any flag type is probably fine. If it's something that you can read and know is rude/unfriendly, then please raise a custom flag to provide us mods with context. Otherwise, NLN is the most expedient way to just get non-English comments removed.
11:27
@CodyGray ah, sorry. I've never posted one myself (I don't speak ES/PT/FR/RU), but seen them pop up sometimes. I'll keep this in mind for future discussions, köszönöm!
:-)
I didn't know you spoke Hungarian, either.
@CodyGray ssht
I don't, I just know how to say "thank you" in some 15 languages. Including Basque and Hungarian
"🤢 Cust0mer Support 📴Phone Helpline🤢" captures how I feel about this spam quite effectively.
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@Cristik Yeah, that kind of thing should be rolled back. Vandalism/self-censorship is always rolled back, as a matter of course any time it makes the question worse, but it especially should be rolled back when it appears the asker is trying to cover up cheating. I've even been known to lock such questions in order to prevent deletion.
@Makyen Hmm... If each user posts a single message per day announcing/reminding of a burnination, that's still going to be a lot of messages. :-)
@CodyGray I do believe that's covered in the second part of that message :-)
11:37
@TylerH I believe the intention of linking SOCVR was so that people could come here with general questions and/or to get support during a burnination. There was never the intention that people would post [cv-pls] in this room during a burnination, as that simply doesn't scale.
However, I would prefer that people who are participating in a burnination and have a general question about the process and/or whether some question is actually off-topic come here to ask, as there are more active users here to handle their support question and give them valid advice.
Sending them to an empty chat room, or even one with a bunch of requests to close, is not going to be a useful way to get them help/support.
wow, the bots are active this morning
@HovercraftFullOfEels I've just been thinking I should go to sleep...
@NathanOliver Good morning
Are people in here flagging the obvious spam that SD posts? It gets deleted within a fraction of a second of it getting posted. I can't imagine that people reacting to it getting posted here are actually part of that success.
@CodyGray yeah, I rolled back the vandalism, and I did my best to keep the question undeleted, at least for a while, however it got deleted after a few hours, no loss for SO, but at the same time cheating won for that particular case
@StephenOstermiller Yes, I am flagging it. The reports here and in Charcoal HQ are how I am finding out about it.
@Cristik Deleted by whom?
@IanCampbell maybe it would also worth adding a comment to the answer about its dangerousness, so others are informed not to use it meanwhile
@CodyGray deleted by 3 votes, hope you're discussing about the homework question I think you're discussing :)
12:12
I've no idea, nor context. I was only replying to your chat message.
OK, went and looked it up...
Is that... SPAM? LMAO
In real-life, luncheon meat is a canned pork product that's a bit like spam. In the SD world, it's a reference to what appears to be gibberish.
@MarcoBonelli It's a specific name for a specific pattern that SmokeDetector scans for. See: meta.stackexchange.com/q/332475
12:21
Any regex that's not code-fenced is, obviously, gibberish.
Correct.
@CodyGray ty
Seems like we're playing, "Beat the Mod to the Spam Flag" today. I think I'm losing. :)
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It's Whack-a-Mole, SO version
@AdrianMole or just "beat SD" really, a lot of those are deleted by community which likely means auto-flags by SD
12:25
Mod flag deletion would still show up as "deleted by Community".
But, yes, many of them are being deleted by a single user's spam flag, since SD is configured to auto-flag and will raise up to 4 flags on posts that are part of this spam wave.
@CodyGray oh, I thought for that the mod name would show, my bad
SD will never completely delete automatically. It always requires at least one human flag.
@MarcoBonelli If the mod deletes, then yes. But not if the mod deletes indirectly via a spam or R/A flag.
@CodyGray yeah got it
@AdrianMole interesting, makes sense
... so it will never cast a flag on behalf of someone who is a mod on a given site.
12:27
@bad_coder That's a repost of your previous request, I see.
@MarcoBonelli Community is the one who performs all of the tasks like applying the penalties, locking, and deleting it just happens immediately with a mod red flag.
... so it might cast a proxy flag in Cody's name on (say) Stats.SE, but never on SO.
That's correct, SD doesn't auto-flag on behalf of users who have mod privileges on the sites where they have mod privileges. It doesn't auto-flag for me at all, because I don't have that set up.
... that is, assuming a relatively high probability that Cody has signed-up for auto-flagging, and a similarly low probability that he has not been made a mod on Stats.
A swing and a miss.
12:29
Probabilities are sometimes improbable.
Probably.
@StephenOstermiller Smokey has an escalation mechanism whereby an admin can make it cast additional flags automatically on posts which match a specific regex; Makyen set one up last week and apparently activated it again when the current wave started
these "spam wave" settings are time-limited; the current one will end in 16 hours , though of course a Metasmoke admin could update or renew it before then if warranted, or cancel it earlier
@Adriaan I assume you mean the question, not the rude/abusive answer written in German? :-) Either way, Q&A is way too old to migrate, so it won't be going anywhere else. It does not seem to me like the type of thing we need to be closing here at this point.
@CodyGray ah, right, even mods can't migrate after 60 days right?
@CodyGray I also noticed but I'm in a rush today...
And there's no point in asking a dev to make an exception for a well-voted post I presume
12:50
Correct. That would require staff intervention. Which isn't going to happen, and definitely not on a question from 2009.
@bad_coder No problem. Just is nice to know sometimes for added context. Users deleting and reposting questions is always worthy of a custom mod flag.
@CodyGray Such questions should be closed because they are often used as justification for asking similar questions.
But agree that they shouldn't be migrated
Aaaannnd... instantly upon closure, sent to review for reopening because it's "popular".
@SurajRao Doesn't seem useful as a comment, considering it adds no information. NAA.
Rickrolls should be reopened if that were the criterion
It is, though.
13:08
@tripleee Maybe smokey doesn't need to post here when it will be taken care of automatically?
It's not fully automatic, though. As Adrian already said, it needs at least one flag from a human (or moderator).
@CodyGray it sounds like tripleee says there is an automatic process in place in some cases
Or is even that not "fully automatic"?
@desertnaut "I have the problem, that a customer can buy something." yes, it's always troublesome if a customer wants to buy something
@Adriaan yeah! :)
13:16
I love going through my list of bookmarks for things to delete vote in the morning and finding they've already been deleted by folks
Today is going to be a great day
@StephenOstermiller I think the script that was mentioned just allows Smokey to cast more flags on a single post (up to 4); it still can't single-handedly delete a post. I think, normally, it is only 'allowed' one auto-flag per post (or maybe 2, others will know better).
I think any third-party bot that was automatically deleting posts would have SO staff producing kittens in undesirable ways.
i.sstatic.net/PydXW.png this seems like... not great UI
Because the gears are not close enough to accomplish any work?
Not to mention they are the same size so clearly there is no efficiency there
@AdrianMole It is, in fact, possible to turn on auto-flagging for MetaSmoke, up to 5 flags. This is only done in very special cases, by consensus of the site moderators. It's been done for SO a couple of times. I'm not sure if it is active at the moment, but it has recently been active.
I am not sure why that would result in the production of kittens.
@TylerH "Efficiency"? You must be new here. Hi! Welcome to Stack Exchange!
13:32
lawl
@CodyGray Yes, I said the same thing
@TylerH Good, now you have confirmation that you were right :-)
I am a little confused by this answer. I find it VLQ and on the verge of beign NAA. What's your take on it?
@GeneralGrievance this is closeable as no repro but website development is certainly not 'general computing'
Is this node.js answer correct, or even relevant to the question?
13:45
I wouldn't say no repro, it is a commun issue and has a duplicate. And this answer is borderline R/A stackoverflow.com/a/72012912/5468463, or real overreacting
@cigien It's like this answer on a different question, I guess? stackoverflow.com/a/66062285/4294399
So, no, I don't think it's relevant.
Ok, that's what I figured. Thanks for the confirmation.
Wonder if it was plagiarized.
@Turing85 I wouldn't say it's NAA. It does answer the actual question. But I would agree that it is of (very) low quality.
... I would think that an NAA or VLQ flag would be declined.
@GeneralGrievance Unclear, given such a small snippet. There's something off there, so I've flagged it anyway.
13:57
Smells socks
@Vega yeah, some of the answers are not great, but I meant no repro both in the sense that we can't reproduce the issue and also that it was resolved in a manner unlikely to help others (e.g. waiting, closing the browser, or restarting the computer would all be normal, common actions likely to be taken by others that would've solved the problem, too)
@AdrianMole I find it always confusing if one asks a question in an answer, especially if the post somewhat tries to answer the actual question... Seeing this from such a high-rep user doesn't help either.
Agreed. The second paragraph is especially vexing.
Should I edit this part out?
Hmm. That may be considered going against the poster's intentions. Maybe a comment asking them to explain (and fix the typos)?
15:26
... why does exist ...
@TylerH Without them, it's quite hard to instruct computers how to misbehave.
@TylerH How else I would ask about programming languages?!
user17242583
In case no one noticed, Shree is back :)
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who or what is Shree?
user17242583
@Turing85 you don't know?
15:33
Obviously, I don't
@TylerH You mean I shouldn't have been retagging all the and questions with ? Shoot.
@TylerH for questions related to implementing programming languages?
I was going to merge all programming language tags into
@Turing85 Shree is a user (and an SOCVR regular) who ran in the last moderator election but did not complete the election due to some controversy. It is available on Meta should you seek to learn more, but we should not discuss that stuff here.
@TylerH ok, thx
15:39
Reminds me of a song, "We don't talk about..."
goodness, that song
a banger, for sure
@Turing85 That's either too abstract, or assembly
Heck, most compilers are written on another language first
I specifically avoided the word "compiler". I assume there's a separate tag for this.
@Turing85 Indeed there is:
16:31
@TylerH Because you can't add enough tags to include all programming languages that have while loops.
@AdrianMole They could at least have added the [while] and [numbers] tags. ;-P
Almost flagged this as spam. School assignments have gotten a little more racy since my day ;)
16:54
^ Don't think that's spam or R/A. Title seems to mean What's the difference between icons and icons?
That's actually a very good question. I'd like to know the answer myself.
Well, icons are icons, but icons are just icons. Got it?
"...'Favicon shortcut icons' and 'icons'," based on the English that's there.
So... subset?
@NathanOliver Saw someone the other day who had a program about which guys "got bitches". He had a MRE at least, but... yeah...
Maybe they're merging Computer Science and Family Planning lessons, to save money?
... but I'm still trying to work out ten different types of contraceptive. ;(
17:02
@AdrianMole Shortcut favicon icon and icon
Burninations are brutal on the close votes... I'm already out of votes :(
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine And that's why I just remove tags.
@Juraj There appears to be a program, along with what it does, and what should happen instead. Is there some specific details missing from the question?
@DaImTo I removed the "future" bit of the question. There seems to be a "is it possible"/"how-to" question remaining.
18:37
@cigien Are you volunteering to do some legally-binding dissection? :)
Maybe :) I'll have to look for duplicates first, anyway.
Good luck with that search!
@CodyGray Actually, on SO, it's currently configured to place up to 5 spam flags on these Support Number spam posts.
@AdrianMole That's correct in almost all circumstances, but isn't quite 100% accurate. MS can be configured to place other quantities of spam flags. In very limited and specific circumstances, as authorized by moderators on a specific site and/or CMs, there has been a time when using 6 autoflags has been used.
Placing up to 4 autoflags is generally authorized, based on posts on MSE. MS generally places 3 autoflags, but 4 are used when the historical track record indicates the post is > 99.9% likely to be TP. Placing more than that is something we do only for a limited time on specific sites when authorized by that specific site's moderators (or CMs), or on multiple sites based on authorization from CMs.
Admittedly, if we once again encountered a spam wave like the one which sparked the development of the spam wave settings/tool (i.e. a spam wave which was multiple spam posts per minute for an extended time; in other words enough to make it difficult/impossible to even use a particular site and where the existing procedures were wholly inadequate) and we were able to quickly determine settings which resulted in at or near 100% TP accuracy,
and we were unable to contact the CMs or the specific site's moderators, then we would probably consider setting one up with more than 4 autoflags and asking forgiveness.
@tripleee Actually, I first set up a spam wave for the Support Number spam 9 months ago.
@Makyen Interesting. Thanks for the details.
18:53
Heh. With Smokey placing 5 flags, my flag (when I get the chance) has the same weight and powers as that of a Diamond Geezer. :-)
... sort of a Honorary spam-hammer.
But no actual spam gold-tag-badge hammers on Meta.SE or Meta.SO.
@cigien if its not in the docs its not supported there's still no way of answering that question.
19:08
@DaImTo I don't follow. That sounds like an answer to me. "No, this is not currently possible" is a valid answer to a question.
Often I find "you can't do it currently, here's a workaround" type answers very helpful
Should users be editing-out the link to the 'possible' duplicate on old-style dupe closures? Like here. Makes it look a bit puzzling, is not?
(I haven't looked at the context here so I don't know if that's possible here)
@AdrianMole No that should not be happening.
Rollback?
I would just reopen and reclose it you have a c++ hammer no?
19:11
Yeah. But I don't know if it's a dupe or not. (I saw it in the reopen review and skipped.)
... so I would be effectively cancelling the existing reopen vote, without sure and certain knowledge.
I didn't see the pending vote.
Sure rollback seems reasonable, the rest of the edits seem fine, just re-adding the auto-inserted text is also an option
I just manually edited the link back in.
Yeah I agree with that as a middle ground.
The target is wrong, so I reopened it. The banner had to be removed manually, presumably since it was added manually just now?
No. The banner is never automatically removed
The old system was really not great
19:17
Oh, I thought those disappeared automatically when a Q is reopened. I must be misremembering.
No you are correct that it used to, but I believe the code that did that was removed when the old system was retired.
@HenryEcker I meant is never automatically removed as currently not happening. I see that that was a really unclear way to express that.
19:31
Is there a duplicate target for this? If not, I'll post a reopen-pls.
19:49
@Makyen Honestly the spam wave ones are probably detectable with a significantly higher level of confidence, 99.99% or possibly even higher. Would probably be safe to use 5 for those.
20:02
@cigien that code can't cause the described behavior. so something is missing. I suspect the input values are different than OP expects
Ah, so it's not reproducible?
@cigien sorry I edited the previous comment
It might be worth mentioning that to the OP. I couldn't make out that's what you meant from your comment on the post.
@cigien OP should do basic debugging by printing the values
Sure, but I meant you should tell the OP that. If your comment is supposed to indicate to the OP that they should debug their code because the input values are likely different than what they expect, it's quite unclear.
Just about out of CV's... until I'm recharged
I can't use Stack Overflow
🎉
user17242583
@Dharman Why not?
It wouldn't load
@richardec Only a moderator can undelete that
also note that it was deleted after it was edited last
21:33
Does someone know whether kind (kubernetes in docker) would be on-topic for Server Fault, DevOps and/or Super User?
depends on the question
user17242583
@TylerH Oh, I didn't realize that.
k8s and docker questions usually are on-topic on SF, but sometimes also on SO and better suited for SO
user17242583
@TylerH Yeah, I did notice that, but I'm guessing the mod didn't notice? Because it looks like a perfectly fine answer now.
@richardec Yep, if the deleting user is currently a moderator, only a moderator can undelete it
@richardec Hard to tell if the mod wasn't paying close attention or if they had other information available. Just another reason to flag for mods to have them deal with it rather than us try to second-guess them :-)
@Turing85 Not programming related, so off-topic here
Maybe the request should be binned here since it can't be actioned by the room in general?
user17242583
@TylerH Right. I'll flag it
@HenryEcker Yes, was waiting for richard to see my response first, mostly
@TylerH Yeah. But that wasn't my question. ^^
user17242583
21:37
please do
It was undeleted after being deleted from review so I don't know what the autoflag interface there shows
@Turing85 Sorry, you lot are distracting me with multiple different subjects at once :-P
@TylerH No problem. It's gone anyway... so that's that. 😀
It's a question for Server Fault, not Super User (unfortunately it looks like two users voted as General Computing before I saw it)
@TylerH Posted a comment, redirecting OP to Server Fault.
user17242583
21:46
@Dharman I've been having some connectivity issues lately too...maybe more ddos.
user17242583
I can never remember, but are answers saying "this has been fixed in version XXX" with a link to the relevant issue or release notes acceptable? e.g. stackoverflow.com/a/71311505/17242583
@richardec OP shouldn't have written a new answer, but rather edited the existing one, should be merged IMO
22:12
@blackgreen do you think that this question could be on-topic for Server Fault?
@Turing85 No
Their answer would be "measure it"
That question wouldn't fly anywhere.
hm. I see.
+1, that's not really answerable without specifics about user activity
@Turing85 I'm not familiar at all with Server Fault, but I concur with Braiam here
22:34
@richardec yes in general it's ok as long as you specifically state that and not just post a single link. In the specific case you linked though I see the user answered twice which as @Vickel says is questionable.

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