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helllo
@TravisB Hi there!
 
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03:06
And also remember to accept the answer as a sign of gratitude :)
Yes, that's definitely the purpose of accepting the answer (comments deleted)...
Too bad we cannot accept multiple answers
 
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04:25
I threw some more questions in the close vote queue
05:01
I stumbled upon a user that posts questions with some code snippets, but also gives a link to some external site containing the full source code. I feel like the questions are not useful for other people than them, can I link those questions here for review, without being interpreted like I'm targetting a user?
How should I flag a comment that's not in English?
@Cristik no longer needed probably suffices. If it contains problematic content, you could opt for another flag, but a custom one would be most relevant due to the mod handling the flag not necessarily speaking the language.
Note though that if it's a foreign language comment telling the OP, who wrote their post in said language, to use English or, if applicable, the locale of SO, it's usually accepted to leave a foreign-language comment
06:05
The question beginning by "how we can help" is quit new :D
Robin hood? the stock brokerage firm?
@Cristik I think you'll want to avoid that. Maybe bring up one for review here if you want to discuss the phenomenon, but after that point I would flag for mod attention, or perhaps simply vote to close without a cv-pls here and hope they get closed via the regular queue
@SurajRao yeah, it's part of the Coinbase / Amtrak / what have you phone number spam campaign
perhaps review metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/tags/… for a proper taster
helpful of them to (more or less) spare us during the weekend
 
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@jps wow, so the OP removed the homework details after receiving the solution, perhaps not to be caught cheating...
jps
jps
10:13
@Cristik yes, seen that, but with or without details, I don't think this is worth keeping.
yeah, definitively not something keepable on SO
interesting question - stackoverflow.com/questions/34560697/…, the OP linked themselves to the duplicate targets :)
@Makyen pls dump this request of mine - OP has added MRE: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54473880#54473880
@jps though personally I'd not yet delete it, for the teacher to have a chance to detect the cheating (if the teacher is doing this kind of thing)
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@Cristik It's a beginner question, not a final exam or anything critical, and at least they made an attempt to solve it and just asked for a hint.
10:29
@jps the fact that they removed all homework details it's a red flag, the student was dishonest
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
Well, if anyone forgot breakfast this morning at least we have plenty of spam on offer
jps
jps
12:52
quicker than Smokey
Seems like the support number spammers woke up again, long time no see...
13:52
I hate running out of close votes :( So many off-topic and opinion-based questions in that tag, so few votes.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Please don't post requests for questions that are in burnination process
@Dharman Normally I would just leave them for the queue, in that particular case though I ran out of votes right before I was going to VTC those particular questions.
The tag is being burninated: Open Qs - Close Queue - Meta CW
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Does this count as an on-topic resource request? Is it asking for an official list?
@cigien If it isn't officially documented anywhere, I say it's fine.
14:25
There appears to be official docs with a list now, as posted by the latest answer. Either way, seems reasonable to leave open. Thanks.
Did you read the "official docs"?
There's no list there.
I didn't click through the links, no.
14:49
@GeneralGrievance how did an answer there get 5 upvotes... facedesk
15:00
@TylerH Yeah... and how did the 30-minute-later retread get +3?
the vagaries of the web...
@GeneralGrievance The keys lost Tim again
15:19
Oh joy, just found out that [equals] has a Java-specific tag wiki, but 1.2k of its 3k uses are unrelated to Java...
ugh
@TylerH Why that tag exist!?
good question :-)
an 'equality' tag for operations would make sense
I would say that it is NA question
oh you meant he NA question
yeah it should not exist
15:36
@E_net4 You should create , so we can use it as a synonym target.
[ugh] - Use for all the questions that make you go "Ugh," or evoke a similar guttural utterance.
Fixed your request
@Machavity please dump this request of mine - OP updated: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54476145#54476145
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null by request
@AdrianMole That reminds me of this.
15:49
hehe
Thanks @Machavity :-)
I learned the [tag: syntax in the mean time
 
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17:35
@desertnaut I've given this an English grammar/spelling revision. Hopefully it's comprehensible now (but still likely close-worthy)
But let me know if the clarity now makes it on-topic/answerable in your SME opinion
@TylerH OK, but it is still vague/unclear
Fair enough
(I tend to agree)
17:58
Need some advice on editing the title of this question. I have other edits to the question ready to publish but the original title is being rejected on submission. I'm not sure what the best title to use here is. Suggestions?
@BendertheGreatest rejected by the system? or by people?
Something I think would work is MySQL keeps throwing a syntax error when there are no additional rows but admittedly SQL is not my strong suit.
It's being rejected by the system
@TylerH That title no longer meets the minimum requirements, so it must be edited to make any edit.
The other changes I made are in relation to burnination of , along with quality changes to the post (e.g. formatting, grammar, etc.)
@BendertheGreatest How about Why does MySQL return a SQL Error (1064) when there is no data?
18:01
I dig it. Thanks man
@HenryEcker Sure, but I didn't know if Bender had a new title that was getting rejected by the system or what
Much more descriptive
@TylerH Ah. I see
Yeah, it was the original title being rejected
I understand now. My reading comprehension skills have been lacking today. I think I've spent too long today staring at nonsense and trying to force it into shape.
18:03
Heh
I just blame Mondays
Sounds like sumbodies got a case of da Mondays
(great movie btw)
such a good movie.
@BendertheGreatest Specifically a title that is shorter than 40 characters can't contain the word "error" (or a few other bad words). See What triggers my title rejection?
Oh I know why it was being rejected, I just didn't feel like the new title I came up with was the best it could be
18:20
@BendertheGreatest Lets forget about the error and focus on the X part: how to return a string if the table has no rows
Question about burnination efforts; is it considered bad form or otherwise inappropriate to do a cv-pls when voting to close questions simply because it's part of a burnination effort? Burnination is not mentioned in the guidelines for cv-pls and it mentions that SOCVR should "not be a habit for users".
@Braiam I already submitted the edit with TylerH's suggested title. But yours is a good suggestion too
@BendertheGreatest Better do that on the dedicated room
@BendertheGreatest If there's a question with a generic error in the title and the question mentions an underlying objective, use the underlying objective as title. Many posts would use the generic error as title which is non-descriptive.
@BendertheGreatest Yes. Burnination effort is much more than this room can handle. There is pinned message that users can use to open the review queue, but we don't want to make too many requests here. Many of the questions that get closed during burnination have no recent activity and don't qualify. They also don't require expedited closure. This room is only for recent questions that require faster closure or extra votes due to being in low-traffic tag.
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Thanks guys. To be clear I have not been doing cv-pls requests for burnination, but the thought crossed my mind so I asked. Appreciate it.
18:48
@Braiam FYI burnination directs users to this room for questions. I know dedicated chat rooms used to be created but that link seems to have been replaced by the tag-related Rodgort link.
@BendertheGreatest cc @Machavity @ZoestandswithUkraine since they are the mods handling it... in case that was just an oversight
They are still created AFAIK (I mean, the most recent one before this one had its own chat room)
If there is a tag-related chat room, I'm unable to find one (searching for "burn" in the chat search)
I am going to complete this now meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412151/… Does anyone have any last minute objections?
19:03
@BendertheGreatest (augmenting what others have said) We do, technically, permit cv-pls requests in support of official, MSO listed, burninations (a MSO question for the burnination is required for cv-pls requests to be permitted). However, it's far easier and more effective for people who want to support the burnination effort to use the CV review queue filtered for that tag, which is why we have a direct link to the filtered CV queue in the pined message in sidebar about the burnination.
Thus, the preference is that cv-pls requests not be posted for burninations, unless there's something special about that specific question which requires more rapid attention (e.g. the question has been in the queue for several days and the close-votes are very near to expiring, which is 3.5 to 4.5 days if the question has >= 100 views and 13.5 to 14.5 days with views< 100).
If you're wanting to remind people about the burnination, it's permitted for each user to post a single message per day reminding people about the burnination and asking them to visit the CV review queue with that tag filtered. If you can see that such a message was posted relatively recently by someone else, please refrain from posting another one at that time.
19:30
@Dharman +1
19:48
Thanks @Makyen, that makes total sense to prefer the CV queue for burnination rather than post CV requests here
@TylerH Was semi-intentional, but if one is needed, I can make one. I made one for the first burnination I did, and essentially no one even came by, so figured one wasn't needed. A general one might be needed anyway
@ZoestandswithUkraine We do have chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/165597/trogdor for general burnination purposes
I was under the impression that was more for the process, and not for handling questions surrounding active burns
oh, yes, but I figured that's what you meant
one room is probably not ideal to handle all burnination processes themselves
No, but it's arguably easier than making a number of chatrooms for each burn that no one uses
20:32
true
There used to be the burn bot that kept track of burninations and their statuses in that room
The last one I made had literally one message, and that was the room setup notification: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/242034/2022/2/15
@TylerH It's dead, AFAIK
Did it burn out?
Assuming that bot was Gemmy. I've been told Rodgort doesn't do chat stuff anymore
Lets create a chat room to track the burnination status of those chat rooms
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yes, the account doesn't even exist anymore
it was Rodgort at some point
may have been Gemmy before that
@ZoestandswithUkraine Also doesn't help that the answer template is out of date wrt. bots. There's no chatbots active anymore for status tracking, so my understanding was that the link was supposed to be to Rodgort's website, and that SOCVR was fine for general discussions as well
In conclusion, there was an attempt :p
20:56
So... should I be directing questions about burnination to the Trogdor room or here then? Based on the dialogue so far it seems my questions (except the one about the appropriateness about the use of cv-pls for burns) would have instead been more appropriate over there.
(not to imply this room wasn't useful in getting answers of course)
@BendertheGreatest Don't go to the Trogdor room expecting a reply, the activity it has seen in the last 30 minutes is the first in over a year, so you're likely not going to get any response there
For now just stick with this room, until we get something else sorted out
🚽
Word, got it
21:35
So I asked this yesterday already, but got no response. There is a , which seems to reference this teleport. From the looks of it, this has nothing to do with programming, but rather infrastructure access. Do you think that this tag has any value here?
There might not be anyone in this room who knows this technology. Your best bet is to ask on Meta
wanted to ask around here first. I am already in the process of "evacuating" it since it's small.
(If you haven't already noticed, I'm somewhat shy wrt. meta)
this tag doesn't benefit me at all
Well... doesn't benefit me either 😛
Yeah, access management services are not programming, but it looks like the service does use/support programming techniques for setup and access
21:42
Good point. Will edit the tag description then.
22:42
^ Meh. It's spam.
22:54
@BendertheGreatest I think this kind of Q is on-topic otherwise all the CD/CI tool questions like Jenkins etc, would also have to be closed. In these cases just the qa tag should be removed and unless you're a SME it's better to leave the Q hanging... (I can't really evaluate it, but you have to use the tool in question to know if the Q makes sense and is on-topic.)
When I first saw , my first reaction was, "that to be a jibberish tag someone made up."
@IanCampbell you mean when the dinosaurs were still around? 😀
There were dinosaurs around like 2 minutes ago? =P
@BendertheGreatest in the example of this Q the tag only has 200 questions. In those cases it's often better to leave Q's hanging to let the tag gain some traction. Filtering for quality is better after there's enough of a corpus. If you're researching a topic it can be better to have some off-topic questions with hints in the mix than none at all...
@IanCampbell oh okay... I thought you were talking about times when sonarqube was still young and not well-known. ^^
23:12
@Turing85 IMO I know a lot of people (engineers and not) who for some reason find themselves working with some proprietary software their company/boss payed for. Usually the tool/service will host their own Q&A with some Q's bubbling up on SO. I don't take issue with that (tag with 9 questions...?!) it can serve as a road sign if nothing else and doesn't do any real harm in the meanwhile.
@bad_coder I edited the wiki description. I think my "issue" is resolve with that 😀
btw: do I get notified when my wiki edit gets approved/rejected?
@Turing85 no, you'll have to check the suggestions in the profile. Or you can select the Research assistant badge and follow it.
@Turing85 You'll get a +2, but it'll just say "tag wiki" I believe?
@bad_coder "suggestions in the profile"...?
@HenryEcker ok, I count that as notification 😀
Yeah it'll say "+2 Tag Wiki suggested edit was approved" I know there's an FR around somewhere asking for that to be a more clear when someone has multiple pending edits
@bad_coder aaaaaah! under "all activites"... tnx
Btw "current" works for that too: stackoverflow.com/users/…
@HenryEcker not sure if that caps at 500 edits or the 2k privilege... The MSE posts aren't clear about the rule.
@bad_coder No notification for me then 😬
I believe it only caps at 1000 reputation earned from suggested edits, but you are correct the rules aren't clear WRT tag wiki edits.
TLDR; let us know if you get notified should that be approved :)
23:29
ah I am lookin at my "suggested edits".... a low-rep person's way to get their rep up... good, old memories... x)
ok guys, CV queue is empty for the qa tag, so I'm off...
@bad_coder wanna take a look at the in cv? 😃
Probably easier to get 4k rep than get an excerpt edit approved.
@Turing85 there's a typo in debugging.
deugging oof
23:32
@IanCampbell depends if you're writing answer or spamming one-liners on high traffic tags...
@bad_coder corrected \o/ thx
Why does the W in Web applications have to be capital? I recognize you didn't write that part.
@HenryEcker my thought this week I like to actually try and solve problems. But even when you get an experienced poster it's likely they might not understand the solution... Sometimes it turns into a major disappointment.
Does this question look on-topic?
@Machavity reads like a shopify tech support question.
23:39
Gah, I was going to say leave it be. I thought I was pretty strict too.
I don't think it's strictly a shopify tech support question. It seems to be a how to add a button shown to only logged-in customers. That type of question could be on topic here. I don't necessarily know if this question is clear enough or not, but I don't think it's blatantly off topic.
@Machavity I'd say it is on-topic.
questions are even worst...
(waffles)
@IanCampbell Yeah
I was looking at the word kubernetes and my brain transposed the K
No judgement here. I don't understand how my useless brain mixes words up so much.
23:50
Is this an answer (or reasonably edited into one)? I can't tell if it ended up working or not working?
Are we going with "Me Too" NAA or R/A on that answer?
@bad_coder For the question, I did the wrong close reason as I initially misunderstood and thought they were asking how to create a Limesurvey survey, but still feel it should be closed. It's too broad because it's essentially asking how to create their own survey site. It asks two (also very broad) questions: how to tally a score across questions and how to generate a report.
I won't fault you if you hit the red button. But obviously you see which I chose.
True positive feedback is probably warranted though. We'd want SD to catch posts like that.

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