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12:33 AM
 
 
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5:14 AM
don't click the spam, NSFW
 
@tripleee thats an external url not question url
@tripleee you meant to request this^ ?
 
 
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6:21 AM
@tripleee RO please remove, spam link, sorry for the fuss
grmbl mobile device
@SurajRao yup, thanks
 
 
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jps
8:14 AM
@Adriaan + tag spamming. Not sure if this is a real question
 
@jps close and 20k+ delete then I'd say
 
8:53 AM
@mickmackusa is the question OK for this site? Looks more like webmasters or something rather than programming
 
@Adriaan If only there was a stack where Joomla only questions were on-topic
 
jps
@VLAZ 'https://joomla.stackexchange.com/'
 
@jps (it was a subtle hint)
@jps Also please un-onebox it.
 
jps
@VLAZ how am I supposed to understand subtle hints before having my second coffee for the day?
 
9:11 AM
@jps Fair. Next time, subtlety will come with two coffees.
I'm not sure I've ever expected that as a spam advertisement.
 
@Adriaan Well, Joomla users have a slightly skewed vernacular about "front end" / "back end" of the CMS. The question is asking how to use the CMS. I recommend migrating it to JSE. I think it is most suitable there and not very useful anywhere else. One way to solve the problem though, is a programmatical solution.
 
Scenario: some post is closed as a typo, and it is indeed, however the focus is on a rather minor feature, the title nicely summarizes the problem, those who stumble upon this minor feature may have the same typo issue and the resolving answer is decently written
Overall the post is interesting, albeit a typo
do you vote to reopen, or simply abstain from voting to delete?
 
@blackgreen A very common typo problem with a very common solution can indeed be useful.
 
9:23 AM
@JohnDvorak suspicious but not enough to warrant flagging IMHO
 
@VLAZ it's not common by any means, that for sure. But it may arise if you happen to use such minor feature
 
Then maybe make a judgement call. Typo closure is for stuff that isn't useful to future visitors. E.g., a syntax error because of mismatched brackets. It's clear but no real solution to it other than "make sure your brackets are correct". And the mismatch can sometimes happen because you have an errant semicolon, or a comma or other punctuator in the code. So...not very useful.
 
quite suspicious ... an article translated to 20 languages and then some old ones which definitely don't look like they are actually hers researchgate.net/profile/Renata-Hryniewicz
(^ the Elixir "researcher")
 
@tripleee The article about a guy who is a..co-author of the article? Not sure - the same name is listed under the article in a few languages. English is one of them.
 
yeah, similarly for the ones near the end of the list, I don't think she is the author of an article from 1993 (or her photo is 20 years old)
 
9:32 AM
@tripleee One of the articles is from 1980. So, 40 years ago. Assuming the article was written when she was around 20, then she must be 60 nowadays.
Looks good for her age.
 
9:46 AM
thank you for highlighting the label, it has many legitimate questions too but certainly a fair amount of real crap
 
@tripleee As do a lot of tags... but more "generic" ones seem to be disproportionately affected. Because users go "Yes, I do have a dataset, let's tag it" even if it's not relevant. Same with JSON, or CSV, or even stuff like Web or Frontend. A loop in JS doesn't work, tagged
And I just checked - some user went and added the frontend tag to the question "Merge/flatten an array of arrays". I've removed it. I'll check the tag usages as I suspect a lot of them are wrong.
To be honest, I'm not even sure what would be on topic on it but I'm certain pure JS code isn't.
 
it's a bit like these "my question about the frequency of mating of elephants is obviously programming related because I want to write a program to simulate it"
 
10:05 AM
@tripleee Also tagged under because that's how they named their variable for an elephant.
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10:49 AM
 
11:04 AM
^ "code with comments pls"
 
11:50 AM
 
12:29 PM
@tripleee that is spam, isn't it? -- their offering to pay
 
yeah, I flagged as spam, but not the systematic kind where you expect them to come back and try the same promotion multiple times
 
12:45 PM
 
1:04 PM
Morning
 
1:57 PM
Can we do something about this question? It asks about what a particular switch of a the set batch command does but then tacks on two unrelated questions for "bonus points". I thought of editing them out but then that would partially invalidate one of the answers which tackled them.
 
2:29 PM
 
3:28 PM
@VLAZ You're talking about the accepted answer? Why not edit the answer to address the bonus points as "And by the way, you can do this..."? Might be as easy as switching the first two paragraphs. Then edit the question.
 
@Calculuswhiz If I were to edit the question to remove the bonus questions, then "/L in for /L generates a List of numbers." would be completely useless in the answer. And the description about ping would be out of place. I mean, it can probably serve as an example of how you get information but would seem odd to use ping when the question seems to only ask about set
At the same time, replacing the ping information with the one for set would be a bit too much - the help information is 173 lines long.
So, either needs to be removed, so the answer would say "You can use set /?" without showing the output or the output needs to be cut down to example size.
 
meh
edit it out and screw the answerer who didn't do that 7 years ago
the answer won't be less useful with the extra removed from the question
it doesn't entirely invalidate the answer, that's not the spirit of what that guideline is meant to protect against
 
But just everything past the /L. The /? is still good to know.
 
I was under the impression that the guidelines were meant to create high quality pairs of programming questions
 
it is.
This particular one is meant to avoid people converting question A into question B
in this case, question A is still question A
the reason for the question and the answer hasn't changed
the answer will just be providing some extra info that's no longer asked for in the question
when has that been a problem?
 
3:49 PM
OK, I edited the question. The part up to the bonus is pretty good. I did find the question when I googled for set /P and the set /? was not useful enough in explaining it.
In addition, that answer might just be trolling. Or otherwise not really serious for wanting to help.
@Tomerikoo Seems like it has a concrete answer. Is it really OB even when the docs explain it?
 
@Tomerikoo I can see closing it as a duplicate of the Q&A you left in the comment though.
 
4:07 PM
Serious quality problem here. Anyone know a dupe ?
 
jps
the SE ui team strikes again, now they highlight the watched tags in yellow
 
that's even worse
the icon would have been enough
 
@E_net4thecurator That Q&A is great. How do I do this without using for? Use for.
 
just because it looks pretty in the style guide doesn't mean it translates to a good UI on the actual site
 
jps
esp. that ugly yellow in dark mode :(
 
4:14 PM
heh
ignored tags are more prominent than non-ignored tags
 
Why so many indicators for the same thing? I know I'm following python, do not mark python as followed and then mark the question
 
4:40 PM
@jps TBH, I prefer it that way. I watch a few tags and sometimes I wonder why something showed up with a highlight background. I was thinking of writing a userscript to add highlighting to the matching tag but...well, I don't really use the watched tags enough. And in high contrast mode, there was no information for them anyway.
Although, I'd agree that maybe the colour for the highlighted tag might be tweaked.
And I'd probably still want the background to be highlighted and the tag.
 
jps
@VLAZ there we are at subtle hints again ;) The different shades of grey in the background have been a subtle hint about watched tags.
but of course it's all a matter of taste.
maybe there'll be a user script that fixes it
 
@jps I'm pretty sure me or somebody else flagged the lack of contrast in the high contrast mode there. If SE wanted to do something about it, they would have. I occasionally catch glimpses of slightly different backgrounds but rarely. Depends on my position and the lighting in the room at the time. Essentially, I don't see a difference.
What SE decided to go with is underline all sort of other useless stuff which gives me nausea and, again, makes it so I literally see less clearly. In high contrast mode. It's I guess really important to underline the x button since it's a link.
 
Even meta isn't safe to the new UI changes
 
jps
4:55 PM
@VLAZ I would never have noticed the X without it being underlined ;) Maybe in the next step they can make the UI a bit more customizable (beyond mode setting). It's certainly not easy to cater for all kind of tastes, devices and environments.
 
what x are we talking about
 
Close x
 
@KevinB the one in the close dialog. The button that closes it.
 
why is that button black on dark
 
@KevinB Lower priority than adding an underline to it, I guess.
 
5:00 PM
that part of the UI just hasn't had the new mobile design ideals applied to it yet
 
I feel like the high contrast mode was more or less abandoned soon after it was released. They just added the terrible underlines everywhere which was the last update. And they went with more or less "W3C recommends undelining links, so we did it" as an explanation. But I don't think anybody verified they did it correctly at all. Even after I posted the bug report.
 
more than likely they abandoned working on it because they're effectively going through their entire UI and redesigning it for mobile.
No point in spending a bunch of time on something thats about to be thrown away
 
It's also basically what they did with the normal dark mode. Introduced it, fixed a few things about it and...it's seemingly never coming to either MSO or any other site.
 
i suspect, that once all this ui work is done, they'll be able to accomplish that. Or, at the very least, i suspect that's the intent
 
Then high contrast mode was added. Similar fate.
 
5:13 PM
Non-english Qs should be flagged VLQ? I forgot.
 
@MarcoBonelli Vote to close as unclear
 
Unclear
 
Thanks
 
5:28 PM
The little eyeball things on the watched tags aren't that bad
 
Except they are redundant and I frankly don't need them
 
Go make a meta post and tell em
 
It is already done
 
5:50 PM
@KevinB I doubt that's the reason or what they are waiting for. These changes don't address the primary underlying issues that dark mode isn't as good as they would like when using the UI colors which have been selected for the various sites where they are different.
 
for the record most of these phone spams are now cleaned up so quickly that they are not visible here
 
Yes, I some times see them pretty much as they are posted but they are gone by the time I try to open and flag them.
Good job on whoever is behind tackling this spam.
 
removing watched and ignored from the left "stat list" to reduce height is an anti-pattern, if the point of the left list is to allow displaying a wider variety of stats/information,
wont we just end up in the same boat when the closed bit is added? bookmarks?
oo broken hearts
 
The "to" in scare quotes also sound ominous.
 
6:04 PM
I look away for a moment and one makes it through again, sigh
 
@tripleee More by chance. I guess smokey sweeps periodically, so this post was caught very early after it was posted. Like 20 seconds or something. It was gone within another 10. I clicked the link as it was potsted here, page loaded and then the post disappeared.
 
generally from Smokey's perspective the timer starts when the post is picked up by Smokey and then if it gets deleted quickly enough it won't be reported here
 
The post was live for a total of 33 seconds
 
the biggest latency factor is probably Smokey itself because the API fetches are throttled, autoflags are throttled, and posting to chat is throttled
 
@KevinB Yeah, but to display wider variety of information, they made the height higher too!
There are ways to convey categorical information without having a specific field to fill
Previously the background color (or lack of contrast) conveyed the watched/ignored status
 
6:10 PM
I do like the idea of using colored boxes to replace the old bounty and closed displays, and support adding the eyeball to watched tags, removing views/answers from the left, but what they've settled on just doesn't make sense
they wanted a list they could add more info to, but now they're pulling the info out of it, that indicates there's a design flaw with the list, not the stuff you put in it.
now the font is bigger, so adding stuff to it will affect the height even sooner
(the font did need to be bigger)
 
@jps dear god it's like they have no plan at all or a development environment, and are just changing stuff in prod to see how it looks
 
6:25 PM
huh... pressing "g" doesn't open up the keyboard shortcut help popup anymore on SO
works fine on mso and mse
does it work for anyone else on SO with keyboard shortcuts on?
the actual shortcuts do work
 
7:43 PM
 
9:04 PM
Does this Q look on-topic?
 
@Machavity well, technically yes. But man: I have files and need to compile them isn't much focused .... nor useful
 
Yeah, it's not a great question... but I didn't think it looked closable. Thanks
 
Agreed, lack of effort, but within scope
 
10:19 PM
 
10:41 PM
Is it "kosher" to recommend that someone else raises a Meta.SO post if they've had a few of their recent questions closed? It's a fairly high-rep user in a tag that I'm not into (regex is involved); I've seen two of their posts in the Reopen queue in short succession, and they reference another (related) post of theirs that was deleted.
... I mean, regex closures aren't that common on Meta, but we have to start somewhere. ;-P
 
Is there anything to discuss constructively?
 
you mean, asking someone else to raise a meta post on your behalf, kind of thing, because some of your posts were closed? (royal you)
 
Not on my behalf, at all. There seems to be a possible dispute bubbling up: see here and here. (Second one is where I mentioned Meta in a comment).
@Braiam Not sure - just don't like seeing big-points users reposting in "frustration".
@KevinB Sorry, I guess I misunderstood ... I meant raising it on their own behalf.
 
I see
you recommending someone else to take their concerns to meta
 
That's one of the reasons for Meta is, is it not?
 
10:50 PM
yup
 
Is requesting closure of a question on a not-SO site allowed here?
 
@cocomac, No, you may not ask for closure of non-SO pages here. ...I've asked this in the past too. It's written in the SOCVR help page somewhere.
 
@mickmackusa Oh, where should they go, then?
 
In a designated chat room for the respective site?
 
@cocomac No, we don't moderate other SE sites, as per FAQ#9.
 
10:52 PM
with regexp though the rounds have been gone around quite a few times on meta already
 
@cigien Thanks, I'll post on the local moderation chatroom (AU, Raiders of the Lost Downboat)
 
most of the concepts/needs have been covered in canonicals, and there's a group of users who more often than not close in favor of them. there's also a group who disagree with that idea, no real... agreement was really reached there
 
@cocomac That's where I drop my suggestions, then Zanna or some other curators decide whether they want to support the suggestion.
 
11:18 PM
@AdrianMole Well, discuss the source of the frustration.
Anyone can do that.
 
11:49 PM
"We are currently offline for maintenance" :(
 

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