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12:20 AM
 
Does stackoverflow have some patch notes or something? They are making too many changes to keep up with
 
@MFerguson There's this. Occasionally edited by the community or by staff, though it's not official
 
1:06 AM
Hmmm... the MSE home page makes 0 sense
 
opening it on mobile i think it looks acceptable. unfortunately i only use mobile on SO maybe once a year
 
1:21 AM
@MarcoBonelli old bug it's by design and is meant to prevent tag caching attacks.
 
 
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Likely malware attempt, but Q is only at -2 so I can't VTD or ask for it - anything to do other than mod flag and hope it can be gotten to before it roombas in a week and a half?
Due to obfuscation isn't not clear whether a red flag would be appropriate
 
@CertainPerformance I don't think that's mod-flaggable. However, if you think it should be deleted asap, you can make a del-pls request for it, since it's within 1 downvote of being deletable.
 
I wouldn't describe it as being "disguised". It has to be at most 1 implicit downvote you're requesting, not an arbitrary amount.
 
@CertainPerformance With the policies surrounding del-pls requests, we have tried to maintain a balance between "Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience" and "Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?"
 
 
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6:05 AM
@tripleee Is the whole Q&A spamseed?
 
seems innocent to me, but could be
 
Oh well, it's closed and downvoted now, so at least it's not going to get more answers.
 
7:05 AM
@gnat needs a Pointless edit
 
@SurajRao done
 
7:47 AM
reminder to watch for the deletion of the tag once that post has roomba'd
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8:25 AM
does this warrant a del-pls? It's essentially a duplicate of the accepted answer, including the recommendation to read the blog
 
Just been served the redesigned homepage....
 
8:44 AM
Well, the homepage information density is still higher than the Newest 'tag' Questions page. Not that I like the new frontpage though
 
9:36 AM
@snakecharmerb ┴┬┴┤( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬
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12:50 PM
 
1:05 PM
Morning
 
jps
1:23 PM
@DaImTo sounds more like a request for offsite resources.
 
@jps yeah i couldnt decide
 
2:03 PM
@MFerguson No they haven't bothered with that since before Shog left
 
2:16 PM
@blackgreen I think so
 
2:46 PM
Hmm, for some reason I can't get Stylus to work when I set stuff to apply to a specific URL
annoying
None of these work, even if I try adding a trailing slash i.stack.imgur.com/Gcs6L.png
I wonder if it's Stylus that's broken or Stack Overflow that somehow does something weird with its URL somehow
 
3:17 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Meh. I'd focus on deleting the whole question.
 
4:07 PM
Is the last SD report R/A or spam?
 
R/A
 
4:42 PM
 
5:13 PM
wait that's spam actually
 
Wow, that spammer is persistent. Not sure why, we've been deleting them promptly.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Could say the same of email spam. Doesn't stop them from trying
 
6:26 PM
 
6:53 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica volume, naturally; post 1000 posts, and hope someone gullible sees and clicks on one of them, and you've more than made up for your operating costs, usually
 
 
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7:59 PM
@tripleee BTW, the phrasing of your comment there sounds kind of confrontational. Not sure if that is intentional or not
 
@TylerH not the intent, thanks for prodding ... removed it for now
 
jps
8:14 PM
The Peer Pressure badge can be awarded to the SO web designers, the ugly watch button has gone :)
 
😬
that's like saying they listened by going from 1.6em to 1.5em line height
 
lol
 
eh, tbf, they 100% reverted that part of the change
votes went back to the top
it's better, than it was earlier today
 
\o
o/
 
implementing my suggestion would even make room on the right for full user cards
 
8:21 PM
I already asked about user cards and they did mention it was intentional to drop badge info
so they could have more... space... for no content
but seems like the thread is picking up tons of steam as users are logging on and seeing the results for the first time and going looking for an announcement they can complain under
so maybe it'll get added back as well
 
they made each entry taller, which admittedly my change would do that too, but, i feel like it hits a middleground that would solve the problems they wanted to solve, while still leaving us with what we want
 
Oh, just realized the one good thing about that helpful flag count change from a while back is that certain users on other sites will stop harassing me for flagging comments since they won't be able to tell my flag count is going up
 
lol
yeah... i can care less about that change, but i'm also not someone who takes a lot of pride or assigns any value to others based on my/their flag count
given how many flags you can get for free by signing up with a service that casts flags on your behalf
or how easy it is to use google to find NLN comments
 
@miken32 According to the tag wiki, dialplans are on-topic, no?
 
Well, yeah, that's a bit of a bummer, though it'd be amazing if SO devs used the product, because then they might want to split out the number in a tooltip to show "cast manually" or "cast automatically"
as they have sometimes done (taking user modifications and implementing them site-wide)
@KevinB I have not tried this approach actually
 
8:25 PM
"downvoted"
 
usually if I am hunting for any it is by going to the top questions filter and picking the next 5-10 in the list. They're usually always old questions still with some +1 comments from 2009 or old questions with new comments saying useless stuff like "this is great! Amazing answer"
 
hmm... it's actually only showing meta for me atm, :shrug:
maybe something changed
results definitely seem a lot less useful now, :shrug:
what if the score label was colored, using some form of intensity ranging from red to green
contrast may be a problem
 
Two minutes after we closed this question, somebody voted to reopen it Hosting two domains using only one VPS? [closed]
I'll bet it has been closed then reopened several times in the last 10 years.
 
@StephenOstermiller You can see close/reopen history in the /timeline page, including failed review attempts. Successful status changes are also required in the /revisions page.
This is the only time it has been closed, and I don't see any active reopen votes on it.
 
8:40 PM
> The community is reviewing whether to reopen this question as of 1 hour ago.
so it's in the reopen queue, but doesn't have any reopen votes
 
right, I was misreading the timeline ... it's pretty unclear, do we have a legend of what the items mean?
 
i assume, it was entered into the queue automagically due to it's score
 
@tripleee which items?
 
(where it is likely to pick up votes, due to its score)
 
the "Review - close votes invalidated" ones for example
 
8:42 PM
It means the question left the queue without being successfully closed
 
i wish there was a toggle to hide answer entries in the timeline
 
but clicking on that apparently reveals its current state, which led me to believe it was closed on those occasions too
 
"Popular" questions automatically go into the reopen queue when they're closed.
... not sure what the vote/view threshold(s) is/are, but that looks like a suitable candidate.
 
@tripleee It doesn't "reveal" its current state, it takes you to the close vote review item (the review queue always shows the current state of the question now, except for audits)
Unfortunately since they revamped the CV queue, normal users can no longer see review data on past review attempts when on the review item page
Which is really annoying. It was great to be able to see who voted on what and how they voted
 
that would help immensely, it's really unclear now
 
8:44 PM
Now you can only do it by hunting through the users' profiles or the review queue history page, which is obviously completely impractical
 
even if it was anonymized or something, it would at least tell you what you are looking at
 
unless it was something that happened in the last few days
 
featured posts should be "pinned" to the top of the home page question list
on meta and child metas
 
why is the "Close votes" text a link at all if it doesn't reveal anything about the event in question?
 
@tripleee it used to, before the review queues were redesigned a few months ago
the timeline page has not been updated since before the review queue redesign
so that link is mostly vestigial, though I believe moderators can still see full review information when they click it
 
8:47 PM
hmm... so we can't review past reviews anymore?
 
not that way. Only while they're still active
even if you were involved in the review
 
...
 
I think the data is exposed to SEDE and the API as well so one could ostensibly write a userscript to re-populate the page with that data
 
my issue with that (which i'm sure i'm not alone) is that means only mods can police people making poor reviews. I can kinda-sorta understand wanting to avoid people policing people's actions, but someone's gotta do it,
 
@KevinB At least, I am pretty sure that's the case. I can still see the full data on this item (who voted, when, and how) because it's still active: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/30907174 but as soon as one more person votes to leave closed, I believe it'll revert to "this item can no longer be reviewed" and nothing more
 
8:50 PM
instead of seeing full data, it gives me the review to take action on
that seems... wrong too
i shouldn't be able to inject myself into a specific review?
 
Maybe not if you were one of the people that voted to close earlier? I assume that is why I can't review the re-open.
 
I have been wishing for that lately, especially when I see that a closed post has been edited and has been entered into the reopen review queue
based on my limited experience, the queue is small enough that plowing through the 40 you get per day is likely to hit that post
 
@KevinB why not?
@StephenOstermiller Correct, that's new with the review revamp from a few months ago as well; previously users could vote on a reopen queue item when they were involved in the closure. Now they can't, IIRC
At least not by filtering down and hunting for the item itself. You might be able to get it if it appears organically as the next review item while reviewing
@TylerH this was changed specifically because it was considered a vector for mild abuse, as I recall from a conversation with ?Donna? about it
 
9:05 PM
@TylerH I've had reviews in the Reopen queue where I was a close voter. In fact, I had one today.
 
that was basically my concern with being able to act on a shared review. Sure, i can't if i had previously taken action, but that doesn't stop me from taking it to, say, JS chat or discord and requesting a specific action from people i know to have a specific opinion
ideally reviews should actually be handled by people of the community organically reaching them
 
9:22 PM
@AdrianMole Note the caveat in the following line
 
Yes, I saw that. I was confirming your "might be able to..."
 
Ah
I was thrown off by the message linking/responding to the prior comment, not that one :-)
 
I like to be devious.
 
He's a spy! A plant! A mole!
 
9:35 PM
@AdrianMole This happens to me all the time. I swear the system prefers to show you reopen tasks where you were a close voter.
Sometimes I even hesitate, like, do I have a conflict of interest? But usually they are so obviously unsalvageable that I just go for it.
 
@TylerH that review is completed, but i can still see the data
 
Same, there must be a timer that has to expire
I'll try to remember to check again tomorrow to see if it has changed
 
at what point does something go from most people being in agreement, to controversial, to once again most people being in agreement but in the opposite direction? like, is it still controversial, if the majority agree, just in a way negative to the post that they're disagreeing with
 
@KevinB even a majority agreement can be controversial if there is a significant size of people in the minority who have a different viewpoint from the majority
look at US political parties for example. Everything is extremely controversial to the other side, regardless of which side is in the majority or not, because both groups are relatively large.
But stuff the Green party complains about is not controversial because they make up like 1% of the vote
I don't think anyone has ever tried to put fixed numbers on the definition, though
 
Thesis and antithesis?
 
10:09 PM
like, say, 80/20
 
Do people troll because they're trolls, or are people trolls because they troll?
 
am I a troll?
i do post comments on meta that i know will be promptly flag deleted
 
that might just make me a bully
 
10:26 PM
huh, it was deleted so quickly it isn't even in the archive
 
10:52 PM
i mean
 
@cigien Do you know what happened there? Edited in the grace period? Or did the system convert that somehow?
 
wdym
 
Edited in the grace period is my guess. I don't really see how the system would convert ascii art like that to text. Or why the system would do something like that.
 
@KevinB Metasmoke has a bunch of HTML(?), but the post is substantially different
Can you remind me what the correct feedback for posts that are edited in the grace period is?
 
ah, i missed the metasmoke msg
most certainly a grace period edit, given the message they tried to post turned into gibberish once not markdown
 
10:59 PM
In this case, the feedback is the same, but in general give feedback according to the state of the post that's on MS. Of course, any flag you raise should be adjusted to the state of the post on the site currently.
 
Right, thanks, tp as garbage originally, and now tp for offensive.
 
It was offensive in the original as well. Look at the MS report in Markdown view, instead of Text, or Preview.
But yeah, tp in either case.
 
TIL there is a markdown view
 
A for effort
all the effort they spent making that they coulda just installed an adblocker
 
11:34 PM
Not sure if I picked the best target, but basically the answer is to read a tutorial on list comprehension
 

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