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12:32 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica some questions shouldn't be answered
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I agree - kinda galling that it got 3 answers.
 
user17242583
12:47 AM
@EJoshuaS But they're all low-rep users, so it's annoying, but not that depressing. Seems like quite a few newbies hang around the tag and answer easy questions like that.
 
I don't understand how is this possible that every time Bill posts an answer they get one upvote and I only sometimes get an upvote. That answer was just code-only answer.
 
Fan club?
 
1:07 AM
@Dharman You need to have big numbers under your user card.
I had that on AU.
Users would vote on the post for who post it, not if it's useful.
I even had a wrong answer upvoted like 6-7 times because it "seems" correct
 
@AdrianMole For what it's worth, I'm in the Dharman fan club. I just don't see their answers often enough to upvote them all
 
Well, on those rare occasions when I come across Dharman's answers, I downvote or delete-vote them ... because that's what they like! :)
 
Hey, what's the process for dealing with bad tags with ~100 usages?
 
Ask on Meta
 
The one I found is [mangodb], it's got like 4 legitimate usages.
 
1:19 AM
If Meta agrees, then someone needs to burninate. If you are SME then maybe nobody will mind if you do the burnination yourself, but there has to be trace of it on Meta either way
 
And the rest all refer to mongodb and people have just misread the tag
 
mmmm mango
 
Then you should retag the ones which are mistagged and then ask on Meta about burninating the tag for the remaining 4 questions
 
Haha, it also refers to this joke page db server which pipes everything to null
@Dharman ok, thanks
 
user17242583
 
3:17 AM
NB the request above is pretty old. I figured it wasn't worth editing the tags, the question is clearly off-topic
 
lol 🥭mangos
 
4:18 AM
@Dharman I see the same thing on regex pages. Certain users get 4 or 5 upvotes for an answer. If I post the same thorough, optimized, and explained answer, I'm lucky to get 1 UV. Posts are too seldom voted on based on merit.
 
4:28 AM
@rene I am now the proud owner of what is likely the only badge that Glorfindel doesn't have, yet.
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I'm obviously an expert in design and responsiveness (not!)
 
111 issues reported overall. So far..
 
@Joundill Please see FAQ #11. For SOCVR, there needs to be activity on the question within the last 6 months. This question shows the most recent activity as 3 years, 5 months ago. Is there something else which qualifies this for a cv-pls request?
@SurajRao sigh I have gotten really tired of SE abusing everyone on the SE network for basic bug detection/reporting of poorly thought out, and very poorly tested, changes. I know the testing matrix for changes on SE is huge. I sympathize with it being a big task. I even expect them to have a notable number of bugs that need to be found by people using it. But, the level of quality that has been typically going live on the network has been far below what I consider acceptable.
 
@bad_coder You are an expert in testing design and responsiveness
 
@Makyen at least this time they turned the design around in less than 48 hours. That were a lot of changes since launch.
 
4:42 AM
@bad_coder and you were on top of reporting the bugs in the changes
 
@SurajRao meh, maybe just apt at using SE and posting screenshots with descriptions.
@RyanM I actually feel bad about that. It took me too much time and energy. I'm frankly tiered atm... Next time I won't report anything and let others participate instead. (I mean, I feel bad about rushing the thread and reporting... Should have let more new users post their reports instead. But it's likely the last time I do that.)
 
@bad_coder But, I haven't seen a single one of those which shouldn't have been caught in a basic design review and testing, even just basic development testing.
 
@Makyen Most of the really glaring issues this time (with a couple exceptions) weren't bugs, though. They were design issues. I think that's a different problem: it was working as designed, but the design was bad. Either way, it really should have been either a partial rollout on MSO/MSE or an opt-in, allowing for these usability issues to be caught.
 
@Makyen I don't know what their strategy is. I think they were overwhelmed when they started changing the profile to responsive. The first such threads had some signs of the design team being under an avalanche of legacy code. The last pair of Q's had a much lighter feeling coming from them.
 
@bad_coder Their strategy was to get it out before the holiday code freeze so they'd enter the new year with all the deprecated mobile views replaced. Why? No idea.
 
4:47 AM
It might be they're polling for opinions in a "heat of the moment" kind of way. Seeing what outrages folks most :P
 
@bad_coder Which is literally abusive.
 
@RyanM yeah, now that you mention it that was said in the JavaScript techincal debt thread that was posted yesterday.
 
Stack Overflow driven testing framework
 
@Makyen I really don't know, this one had serious breaking changes. The one before this had a "political" dimension since they were removing last seen and other fields. When Dark theme launched (which must have been an overhaul) maybe they wanted to show something to appease the users as a sign of good will.
 
I got the sense that they were trying to do better than the review queues this time, given things like showing the preview video. Unfortunately, that's really not enough. This answer talks about it: you really need to actually try to use it to find the problems.
 
4:51 AM
fixing myself a coffee brb
 
stackoverflow.com/a/70284766/4826457 is this NAA ? or do I just change the link?
 
@SurajRao It's an answer. The link can be changed, but I don't know if it needs to be. Linking to SO clones is fine afaik.
 
@cigien the cloned question itself is full of answers that are irrelevant... they are copied from random SO questions. Also the original was already linked here
 
@SurajRao Sure, changing the link would improve the answer, I agree.
 
They deleted it ...
 
5:03 AM
Yeah, moot point now.
 
@RyanM right at the middle of Daniel Cormier's youtube video, he says they tried to salvage the old summary layout and it was impossible. It used style elements shared by other parts of the site and whenever they tried changing something everything broke.
So they gave up the old layout (which more or less we ended up getting 48 hours later) and went with what launched.
My impression is they didn't realize just how much user's would dislike the all vertical solution, or they had trouble thinking of alternatives (because the summary layout was pretty close to optimal already).
In a previous thread there was some talk about a masonry layout, maybe we'll get something amazing in the future, but for now I'd say it's looking pretty good.
 
@bad_coder They have missed a spot... Maybe more. I didnt use it extensively in mobile...
 
@SurajRao interesting. I read through all the reports and that one hasn't been reported yet afaict.
 
@bad_coder Yeah, it was fairly close to optimal. It didn't take all that much to make it responsive. It was more complicated due to SE's use of Stacks and lack of semantic CSS, but it was quite doable. While the newer look and feel might be desired, it certainly wasn't necessary.
 
@bad_coder regular users dont use it via mobile that much.. And I bet googlers who search for their problems will be searching in their laptop/desktops while working...
 
5:15 AM
@SurajRao I get a feeling the company is betting on the smaller sites (with entertainment value) to broaden the user base. I also know for a fact an RO in another room only uses SO on his phone to not use it on his work computer. (There's no published stat on percentage of mobile users afaik.)
 
ah ok
 
5:27 AM
@RyanM what I'm thinking about is: just how large is the design team? We know they are 3 devs at least, but even if they're 5 that's an amazingly small team. I really like the fact they make videos, that shows a lot of good will and engagement.
 
@Makyen I don't know if it was necessary, but they have a strong argument for everything floating regardless of screen size. I honestly haven't tried adjusting resolution to test it yet but in the video it looks really good (can't even think about changing my display.)
 
Can we do a class action lawsuit against SO to get the old profile back
 
5:44 AM
@MFerguson nah, it's looking better now and we're expecting it to look increasingly amazing :)
 
6:19 AM
it just went over 22 million questions
like taylor swift
 
@MFerguson clearly I am missing something.. context?
 
feeling twenty two ooooohooo hooo you know the song?
 
no
 
6:38 AM
@MFerguson I dont really listen to Taylor Swift all that much
 
6:51 AM
what can be done about an answer like this? stackoverflow.com/a/31801862/874188 it has massive negative feedback but the upvotes still dominate so I don't think we can usefully del-pls
 
7:14 AM
@tripleee is the post "essentially fraudulent"?
 
7:26 AM
@mickmackusa those are not my words but one of the comments indeed says so. I would mainly say that it's incorrect and unhelpful
 
7:36 AM
@SurajRao that whole page is garbage. How can we put a lid on stackoverflow.com/q/18147738/2943403 There is no goodness in it.
 
@mickmackusa for a start cv-pls it if you think you can convince us that it indeed does not add any value to the site
 
@tripleee all of the answers being garbage isn't a close reason, right? This is why I am asking how the page can be neutralized.
I guess it's an XY Problem. The OP is asking how to save delimited data in the database. Should it be closed by this somewhat opinion-based yet popular question? stackoverflow.com/q/3653462/2943403
 
yeah, if you can find a good duplicate that would be a good way to get rid of it
 
@mickmackusa heh I didn't notice the question... imploding directly into db... :p
 
7:54 AM
...okay, I broke down and hammered it.
 
8:10 AM
@bad_coder I think I know the strategy: start giving out WinterBash hats for finding js bugs.
...hmm, what might that hat look like?
 
8:23 AM
@mickmackusa why not just start giving badges for bug finding if that's the case...
 
8:33 AM
@mickmackusa probably the hat will look like this :D
Too much CV'ing for me, some quiet coding before bed ZZzzz
 
@SurajRao I'm sold. Make it happen.
@bad_coder okay, that's the nomination to beat.
 
 
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10:10 AM
 
10:25 AM
Is this answer justified? i.e. all it does is copy the accepted answer and replace double-quotes with single ones. Shouldn't it just be a comment?
 
@Tomerikoo while it would have been a decent gesture to edit the accepted answer with the non-breaking improvement to the snippet, I don't fault the poster for wanting to potentially earn unicorn points for posting a superior version of the resolving advice.
 
10:54 AM
@mickmackusa I guess so ... sorry about that
 
11:20 AM
@karel It sounds like this one is from the perspective of the app developer creating the package, rather than the user installing it
 
@Dharman Yes
 
12:29 PM
 
Do you think this page was closed BECAUSE there was no coding attempt? stackoverflow.com/q/70289498/2943403
 
@mickmackusa the first comment seems kind of relevant; it does not look like PHP code at all
 
Must be a duplicate out there for this...
 
could be a simple typo of course, but closing as unclear does not seem unreasonable
 
I found 3 possible duplicates... Posting them on the question
 
1:06 PM
Morning
 
1:55 PM
 
2:12 PM
Someone is trying to ping the SOCVR close-voters of this question.
@cigien @bad_coder @AlonEitan ^
 
@SurajRao Not even that. Why should "elegant" be enclosed in quotation marks?
 
One thing that comes to mind is air quotes
roboreviewers? Weird it got approved
 
2:27 PM
In standard English language, they would be represented by 'single quotes', when indicating that the word is being used loosely, sarcastically or in an unusual sense.
 
@SurajRao If you have 2 people approve an edit, 1 person can reject it?
 
its the author of the post... They can unilaterally reject it
 
@MFerguson A mod can do the same, if nothing else happens before they do so.
 
@AdrianMole Thanks for the heads up.
 
np - I stumbled upon it in the Reopen queue and recognized the "Gang of Three".
 
2:40 PM
Am I in a gang? Cool :D
 
Yo!
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis this question cannot currently be deleted because this question uses it as a dupe target.
 
@TylerH Weird, I was allowed to vote just earlier :\ Adjusted dupes. I'm going to vote on both TBH
 
3:49 PM
 
4:16 PM
@Tomerikoo User also made a spam edit to the question
 
^weird.. I sent the review on the answer this.. It posted of the question?
 
Does the [quickjs] wiki look a bit off?
 
Wow, the question that came up above is 8 years old, has 9k vies, was bumped 24 times and not a single vote on the page...
@Vega Use [tag:quickjs] to make it a link
 
4:32 PM
@Tomerikoo from OP's last comment on the question, is it a dupe?
 
@Tomerikoo Yes, sorry
 
There is also OPs deleted self answer linking it
 
Here it is , in case someone wants to see
 
@SurajRao I saw that comment too. I lack the SME to tell. On one side the fact that OP said it solved their problem is an indication that it is a dupe, on the other hand I don't see anything similar to the other 2 answers in the potential dupe tartget...
 
well, the problem is, it's more complicated than just updating the attribute.
 
4:38 PM
@Vega What looks off to you? Are you thinking it needs to be updated?
 
OP hasnt provided the full pcture.. They are trying to really modify some behaviour of FB's like button
@Vega bellard.org/quickjs seems to be the official page..
 
The tag wiki lacks usage guidance, but mainly, I am wondering if citing the authors' names is the right thing. It was edited a few days back and I rejected the edit, so I am also wondering if I was still right
 
4:57 PM
Can anyone with more expertise in C than me confirm whether this question was closed properly? It seems like an odd reason at a minimum.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I don't think you need to understand C to realize that's not an accurate close reason for that question
The title could still do with a bit of work
 
@TylerH I think Eric Marchand's comment covers it...
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica The close reason is not appropriate but the closure itself might be
 
Someone is free to request it be closed here for a different reason that might be more appropriate
 
I'll vote as unclear.
 
5:02 PM
I think the proper close is "needs more details"
 
@TylerH Yeah, the original reason seemed quite odd, the OP wasn't asking for a tool rec. I'm not sure if it deserves to be closed at all though, my C is too rusty to know for sure.
 
user17242583
I wouldn't close it myself, but it is a little sparse of details.
 
Well, he's asking about the instructions, which would depend on the arch and compiler used
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica NB - the close reason that was used also covers things like tutorial requests or other general recommendation requests, too; not just "tool recommendations".
 
5:08 PM
Looks like the Q is getting plenty of good answers in the comments already
 
Yeah, they're informative, my C is quite rusty so it's always good to be informed.
 
@Juraj there is sure to be a duplicate for this somewhere.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica That question could (sort of) be answered with a quote/extract from the C Standard. It's not a brilliantly expressed question - the else keyword isn't a statement but the sub-statement attached to it is ... and that will not be executed if the expression in its nearest if evaluates to non-zero. cc @TylerH @Dharman (and others).
BTW There is no actual else if in C ... that's just an else with an if block as its sub-statement.
 
5:23 PM
oof
 
else oof?
See 6.8.4 (Selection statements) in this C11 Standard
 
#define oof if
 
But there is an #elif directive. :)
 
user17242583
Weird, look at this post; the post has 5 upvotes but it's author has 1 rep, and is not suspend, and there's nothing in the rep history to indicate why they would have so little rep.
 
The user may have received a -100 spam penalty, which would not show up on their profile.
 
5:34 PM
Their reputtaion graph shows more than 100
 
At least, I don't think that shows up.
 
so it'd be more thant hat
 
Two spam penalties would set them at 1 rep.
 
user17242583
Ah, probably. Didn't think of that.
 
user17242583
Likely, since they're blacklisted.
 
5:39 PM
Metasmoke shows some info on the blacklist reason: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/338813
 
user17242583
How odd, that URL has a space in it @AdrianMole.
 
Maybe I got the link from MS ... can't remember. (Doesn't have my ID at the back, so probably I copied it from the browser's URL bar.)
 
6:01 PM
Out of CVs o/
 
6:17 PM
@bad_coder it asks in general. for all languages
 
6:38 PM
 
7:00 PM
@user17242583 @AdrianMole That's how the system renders questions that have the title hidden, it's not a Meta Smoke thing
E.g. spam questions
 
@TylerH Aha. TIL :)
 
when you link to an answer
I believe the reason is to hide it from SEO
 
user17242583
Oh I see, weird. That url had more than normal spam urls (a #... part).
 
7:46 PM
 
8:28 PM
If anyone's got CVs to spare, someone has gone through lots of old "this or that tech?' questions and flagged them as opinion-based and put them in the CV Queue (most are too old to request here)
 
Aw, literally just ran out.
 
Does this need more focus? It's not clear to me how this can be language-agnostic.
 
@cigien that, plus it sounds POB
 
@desertnaut Ok, thanks. If it were about a specific language, I think it could be edited to not be POB.
 
9:06 PM
@Calculuswhiz I know the feeling
 
9:46 PM
 
user17242583
What's the bad keyword in that q?
 
user17242583
Oh cool, I didn't know you could see that.
 
user17242583
What is so bad about brain power?
 
Yeah, if you click on MS on the SD report.
Probably it's been used in too many offensive posts?
 
10:12 PM
@Makyen Yeah, it was tagged as MangoDB which has very few watchers. It looked like it was probably meant to be asking about MongoDB, but because of how unclear the question was, I couldn't confidently edit it to be about Mongo and get enough tag watchers for it to be closed. FWIW, I added a message below my request mentioning that it was quite old.
 
10:27 PM
@user17242583 Drug spam includes drugs that 'enhance' your 'brain power'
that term was used enough in different spam posts to warrant black listing
 
11:17 PM
 
user17242583
11:37 PM
Oh I see @TylerH - makes sense. :)
 

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