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12:01 AM
 
When does the Winter Bash actually begin?
 
@mickmackusa apparently there will be a countdown.
 
^ unconclusive
 
Hmm, last year was Dec 16 to Jan 4 -- sadly, not a full month. I want more! winterbash2020.stackexchange.com/faq
I guess I'll park my cache of necro answers for a few weeks then. :)
 
 
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3:45 AM
@cigien The problem is, everyone thinks the abuse is always "rare", because we are, as a whole, very much on top of dealing with and removing the abusive content.
@Machavity Did you formally introduce the quota system? :-)
@HovercraftFullOfEels Getting the spam posts removed within seconds is not enough for you? Wow, you're quite hard to please.
 
 
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8:16 AM
Can questions like these be closed, and if so, as what? It basically drops a piece of code and asks whether it's correct. If it doesn't result in any errors and there are no indications from the OP that the code would not be correct, it's difficult for us to determine why it should or should not be correct, right?
 
@Adriaan Yes, that should be closed. Lacking a minimal, reproducible example is a valid reason for closing that. They want help with debugging/validating code, but they have not clearly established criteria for testing or correctness.
"not getting my curve accurately" is an attempt at a problem description or error condition, but not by any stretch an adequate one.
 
@CodyGray thanks!
 
It's not really a "how-to" question. That would be different, and shouldn't be closed for the "lacks debugging information" reason (since it's not a debugging question). But that would very likely be unclear and impossible to answer if merely rephrased to a "how-to" question, too.
 
 
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@Dharman haha, I love answer that start with "The code is quite terrible. " :D
 
9:51 AM
 
10:10 AM
Is this spam?
 
@JeanneDark yes, username is the same as the author's name on the website, without it being disclosed as such.
 
Is this Google?
 
thanks
@CodyGray You are being snarkastic again
 
@JeanneDark Oops.
 
10:22 AM
@VLAZ known troll
 
@CodyGray OK. I thought the spammers decided a different approach or something.
 
I shouldn't say "known troll", but rather, "known avenue of trolling". I know not the specific troll.
 
@VLAZ R/A
 
CV'd and was also going to throw in a R/A but it it received enough red flags to be deleted before I managed to cast mine.
 
You coulda snuck one in after I undeleted it to report to Smokey :-)
 
10:25 AM
I saw your CV comment but it's wasted on a post like that
 
@CodyGray Can you undelete to add my flag :P
@JeanneDark Eh, wanted to cover all angles.
 
Congratulations; you are now a circle.
 
Or a table cloth.
Or both
 
10:56 AM
 
@jps is reinstalling pyenv not helpful advice for anyone else who might hit that error?
 
@RyanM Is the "I don't know what the error means or how to solve it, just restart" response.
In fact, if you are not finding something where it should be it needs to be one of your first steps trying to identity the issue.
 
11:15 AM
Anyone know the shortlink for software recommendations? [sr] doesn't work. Any link where I can find a list of such shortlinks? Searched meta, but I think I'm missing keywords.
 
Software Recommendations [softwarerecs.se]
 
@TheMaster meta.stackexchange.com/a/94000/357753 has a bunch of links (don't think it's comprehensive though)
 
@Braiam Thanks. That's unusually long :(
 
Hm, I thought it was under the hamburger menu on the top bar, most right -> fill in your site in the "Other communities" -> grab the link. Not sure where to find shortcuts though
 
@TheMaster It's the subdomain string
 
11:19 AM
@DavidW and @Adriaan Thanks.
 
@TheMaster You probably shouldn't be suggesting this site to others in comments unless you really understand their scope (which would probably require being a member with a significant amount of participation there).
The only thing worse than not getting a recommendation of where to go ask a question is getting a wrong recommendation of where to go ask a question.
 
@NathanOliver It was tried before with babaji spam, it didn't work.
 
11:36 AM
 
I suppose this old answer is useless... Close as no repro?
 
Morning
 
\o
 
1:00 PM
I voted to close a post as missing MRE after a cv-pls (not mine). The post then got reopened after some code was added. The OP posted an answer that makes IMO the question Typo/No repro. Is it ok to post a cv-pls?
 
I would say no
FAQ rule #15: "You are "involved" in any post for which you have voted in a successful action to change the state of the post to the same state for which you are considering posting a request. In other words, if you've close-voted a question and that vote was the vote, or one of the votes, which caused the question to be closed, you may not post a cv-pls if the question is later reopened."
 
@JeanneDark Thank you! I missed that point in my reading. Indeed I cannot
 
@Vega The rule is somewhat new. It was introduced because of the dupehammer wars.
 
1:37 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis This doesn't look for recommendations
 
Yeah, that doesn't seem off-topic
 
This is NAA, isn't it?
 
@JeanneDark yeah, it was :)
 
thx
 
2:26 PM
 
@SurajRao doesn't look like an answer to me
 
I am not a domain expert to tell if there is an attempt at an answer in there
 
Let's call it a comment
 
3:11 PM
 
3:37 PM
 
@SurajRao Opinion-based, recommendation question, off-topic because about pricing instead of programming, take your pick
 
Yes! I managed to get one flag
It's good that these posts disappear faster than I can open them
 
3:53 PM
@Dharman Yes, it's pretty impressive, all things considered
 
@Dharman Those 5 autoflags help a ton
 
4:14 PM
I wonder if a temporary system change by the CMs to lower the Spam auto-delete threshold from 8 to 5 would help even more
 
The posts disappear pretty fast as it is. Do we need them to disappear faster?
 
@TylerH Do you mean 6?
 
@Dharman I'm not sure which number you're referring to but I assumed the threshold to delete from spam flags was 8, especially given that I see most of the questions deleting once they hit a score of -8
I don't know why the people who see these spam questions within 20 seconds of them being posted would bother downvoting them after flagging them as spam, given that it's a waste of a vote
and I doubt normal users are seeing them in time, for the most part
 
@TylerH It's 6, but they don't want Charcoal to do a pure autodelete IIRC. Some human has to go "Yes, that's spam".
 
@TylerH AF can auto downvote for you so it's really just one click
 
4:22 PM
@TylerH Well, for a while, I didn't realize enough spam flags caused delete, so I figured I'd do everything I could to signal that it was a bad post, including downvote.
 
it's a free downvote
 
At times I have seen to go as far as -10 though.
 
@Calculuswhiz Yeah, too many folks downvote/comment/VTC when you just need a red flag
 
And in some cases I see it auto deletes by Community after 4
so I guess the system is learning slowly
 
a mod spam flag is worth 6 normal spam flags
 
4:27 PM
@TylerH when its less than 6, its probably a Mod spam flagging..
 
@TylerH You're looking at score and equating that to user flags. That's not necessarily accurate. There are moderators flagging too.
 
those pesky mods
 
Seen it going poof at -1
 
@Machavity Sure, I agree w/ that in general. I was thinking of an exception just for this current attack. If we get the deletion down to within 5 seconds of posting for example, the perpetrators might notice that and determine it's not worth it to continue... but I suppose chances they are monitoring their success rate live is fairly slim
 
@TylerH They're fairly invested in this as well. It's closer to a DDOS at this point than a mere spam attack
I've not even seen the dedicated trolls be this dedicated
 
4:33 PM
@Machavity I wish there was a way to make that more clear, like maybe a message for >15 rep users that says, "If you believe this is spam, please raise a spam flag." when a flag is raised. Sometimes I leave a comment myself with that reminder.
 
I, for one, welcome our new spam post overlords. Makes my daily flag hunt finish rather quickly. Should be getting that Marshal badge in no time if this keep up!
 
@Calculuswhiz IKR
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@MFerguson How many flags do you have per day?
 
4:54 PM
@MFerguson Don't forget to flag those "Thanks" comments.
 
@SurajRao Yeah, I think so.
 
5:15 PM
@Machavity yeah, certainly the most persistent attack to date I'm aware of
 
@Calculuswhiz hey wait, that's my thing! :-P
@Dharman Yes, I would say ServerFault
looks like normal sysadmin/datacenter tasks
 
5:34 PM
Not "spam", but def not an answer stackoverflow.com/a/70187888/2308683
 
I wonder how many upvotes those spam posts already received. Wouldn't be surprised if the answer was not 0.
 
5:53 PM
 
Could be edited, couldn't it?
 
I don't think so
 
I think he's using it as a metaphor for what the code is doing. Not the best metaphor, but I see where he's going with it
 
Comparing the code to a raised, rear deck of a ship?
 
I'd say it's not R/A and such a flag would be declined.
 
6:25 PM
Can someone edit it please?
 
6:38 PM
@Dharman Done
 
7:03 PM
 
7:17 PM
 
9:27 PM
Is this question only unclear to me?
 
@Turing85 They seem to be asking at least two things anyway.
 
@khelwood I invoke Babbage here.
 
@Turing85 well that told me
 
@khelwood hm? Didn't mean to insult you in any way.
 
@Turing85 "Pray Sir, if incorrect inputs are used, will your marvellous machine calculate the right answer?"
 
9:41 PM
meh
 
@halfer yes - as in "yes, that's the cite I meant". But with regards to the question, not in regards to khelwood's response. Most probably, I'm just too tired.
 
@Turing85 I didn't take it as an insult. Just acknowledging that someone told me something I had no basis to react to
 
@khelwood ok, good to know :)
Is a zip (or jar) considered as blob?
 
10:11 PM
 
10:39 PM
 
Is the formatting/rendering glitch on this post a known issue? (Code block going all the way to the R/H edge, underneath the yellow banner.)
 
How does everyone keep beating me to flagging the spam?
 
You're just too slow. Wake up. Drink some strong coffee. Get to work!
 
I went to flag the last one within 35 seconds of it being posted :)
 
... but more likely mods and/or auto-flagging from Smoke Detector.
 
10:53 PM
I am amazed that they keep coming. Don't they notice that it's pointless? But then again... who knows how many people see the posts and call the number(s)...
 
I think there's more to it than just spam.
 
@AdrianMole smoke detector is relatively slow. At least its messages here have quite a delay.
@AdrianMole I am all ears
 
@Turing85 Here
 
@AdrianMole DDOS? Seems a little slow for that. I don't know how many accounts they (try to) create each second. The number of posts, however, does not feel like a DDOS.
 
@Turing85 Smokey has been casting flags on behalf of users who have signed up for that. These are cast very quickly and there have been a lot recently.
 
11:01 PM
--@AdrianMole huh. Does it need more votes? If so: where can I sign up?-- found it
 
@Turing85 Maybe start with this - follow the "Autoflagging" link. Or pop into Charcoal HQ and ask if someone there can take you on a "quick entry" tour.
 
thanks @Makyen
@AdrianMole metasmoke still tells me that the account needs manual activation. I think that isn't what Makyen has done?
 
Ask them in Charcoal HQ.
 
oh nvm. Just took some time to sync. Now I can log in
 
But I think you also need to do something ... can't remember what, as I have gone insane since I did it.
 
11:15 PM
@Turing85 I hadn't quite taken care of it, as I'd stepped out for a short bit. As you've discovered, your metasmoke account has been activated. Thanks for signing up! We appreciate it. If you're interested in more information about participating in Charcoal, there's an Introduction to Participating. If you're wanting to set up autoflagging, then the "Autoflagging" page of the above linked introduction has instructions on how to set that up.
 
@Makyen autoflagging is already set up ;)
 
Great!
 
@Makyen the flag condition page is a little bit confusing though
got three identical (save the id) entries
 
We had a discussion earlier today about those conditions. I ended up setting my "min weight" to 200 (which corresponds to 99.81% success rate).
 
Well.... is it correct that i got 3 identical conditions though?
or can I delete two of them?
 
11:20 PM
Maybe hard-refresh the page?
 
same-same
 
What happens if you delete one of them?
 
Then one is gone
 
@Turing85 You ended up with 3 that are identical, for some reason #767, 768, and 769. You can delete them, disable two, or adjust the additional ones to other criteria.
 
@Makyen ok, will delete two and adjust the 3rd to my liking
 
11:22 PM
@Turing85 Strangely, you also ended up with 3 flagging preferences too. Again, unless you're using different values on some sites, then you can delete the ones you're not using.
 
@Makyen where can I see/modify them?
 
@Turing85 Click "Edit" and wait for some time.
 
@AdrianMole ah you mean on the condition? already modified it =)
 
@Turing85 At the bottom of this page.
 
are there some dynamic conditions for the "flag per day" thing? Something like "max - 10" ?
or more precisely: "myDailyTotal - 10"?
 
11:34 PM
@Turing85 what's "flag per day thing" supposed to be?
 
@Turing85 Unfortunately, no, there aren't. I use more than one flagging preference to assign different totals on different sites. For the sites I'm active on daily, I wanted to reserve a few for myself, as you appear to desire to do. In order to accomplish that, you'll need to have more than one flagging preference for the sites on which you have a different number of flags available.
If you just want to use all of the flags you have, then you can set it to the max for those sites, even if you don't actually have that many flags.
 
@bad_coder you have a limit of flags you can cast per day. Those are determined by your rep and the number of helpful flags you've cast
 
@Turing85 only determined by previous number of successful flags, see this post. If you cast enough it caps at 100/post + 100/comment both per day.
 
@Makyen so how does that site thingy work exactly? Afaik, I only have enough rep on SO to flag
@bad_coder I know, but I am nowhere near the 100 flags/day. I should be around 30ish
 
11:38 PM
@Turing85 You have way more than enough reputation on SO to get the association bonus on any site where you create a profile/account. That 100 rep association bonus gives you enough to flag, vote-up, and comment, but not downvote.
 
@Turing85 You're around 30? Use this query to search for "thank you", "+1" and other comments that are auto-cleared without mod intervention.
@Turing85 at +1flag/10 successful you'll get +3 tomorrow, 40 in 3 days (I'm to lazy to find the succession but in more or less 2 weeks you'll be maxed out.)
 
@bad_coder 11 days is the minimum needed to go from 10/day to 100/day.
 
@Makyen thanks, I'm stupid :)
 
6 days, minimum, for 30-> 100. Both of the above assume the user is raising the maximum possible number of flags, that the flags are immediately helpful, and that they raise any additional flags granted as a result of those helpful flags.
@bad_coder Nah, it's non-trivial. I only know because I was interested years ago and created a spreadsheet with the ability to specify the starting number of flags. :)
 
@Makyen I was wondering how to write the formula... But you know how it goes, smart guys have it all figured out, while I have to look up the theory, write the equation, double or triple check I didn't make a mistake, and if I ever do figure it out I end up loosing the spreadsheet... :P that's just me.
 
11:54 PM
Is someone "following" me? x)
Or did we just start a "+1 burniation"?
 
@Turing85 Depends. Where are you going?
 
@CodyGray To the wonderful land of "+1" comments
 
Oh, I see. Did you bring your flamethrower?
When you get done there, you can visit the magical land of "-1" comments.
 
@CodyGray I brought a Hans. And A Flammpanzer. And a Fleißiges Ließschen.
 
@Turing85 lol that's funny. But one word of caution, if you try it on smaller sites you might get into trouble. I was mod contacted once...
 
11:58 PM
@bad_coder just doing it on SO
 
Some mods on other sites don't quite grok the concept of Q&A (at least, how we do it here), and, worse, are hesitant to enforce it.
 
@bad_coder That I'd already figured it out doesn't mean I didn't have to go through those steps. :; I was just interested in it quite some time ago, merely as an intellectual exercise. About the only thing different is that I have a directory into which I put that sort of spreadsheet, so I know where to look for those one-off types of things when I want them again. :)
 
"Makyen's stuff"
How could you ever lose anything?
 
@Turing85 then you're in the clear. In 6 days per Makyen's calculation do barrage flag chatty comment chains when you come across them.
 

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