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12:36 AM
I don't understand why these 2 have the exact same body. stackoverflow.com/a/69877543/15497888 stackoverflow.com/a/69877558/15497888
 
@HenryEcker overzealous new user :(
 
@desertnaut Right. Perhaps I should clarify. Does this actually answer both questions?
 
@HenryEcker that's what I am trying to understand myself...
 
@desertnaut Flag privileges at 15 rep.
 
@HenryEcker good point, thanks
 
12:44 AM
I think that maybe Importing an HTML File into R should be a typo?
Try to remove ... this are for additionnal arguments during the call. And replace post_1 by post_1.html and make sure your current directory is where your html file is — Clemsang Jul 5 '19 at 9:01
 
@HenryEcker you are the man!
you post a cv-pls request?
 
@desertnaut I think that that's just a what is Android In-App Review API's behaviour when the user has already submitted a review. (I tried to edit it to be more clear but have not voted on the post in any way)
 
@HenryEcker so not closable, you think?
 
I've not voted in any way. And I do not know enough on the topic to know if this is a reasonable question or answerable. I was just letting you know of the edit because I do not believe it reads like a rant any longer.
 
@HenryEcker ah yes, after your edit, no :)
 
 
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2:53 AM
I'm getting confused by these "Answer recommended by [collective name]" - has it ever been explained on which criteria they are added on top of answers?
 
@Makyen thank you very much, I could not find it that easily
 
@MarcoBonelli np
 
 
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5:44 AM
 
Is it "wrong" to upvote a question that I know for a fact to be too broad because I find the topic of the question interesting? (The question contains multiple questions at once).
 
6:14 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica isn't upvoting generally frowned upon on StackOverflow?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I would abstain until it fulfils all three conditions; "Voting up a question or answer signals to the rest of the community that a post is interesting, well-researched, and useful" where the latter two are hard to argue if in fact it is unfocused
 
6:37 AM
@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Thank you for the support, but don't bother fanning the flames. That user cannot be spoken to.
 
6:47 AM
@mickmackusa Yeah. Exactly...
 
8:05 AM
Good Morning. Today i visited SO and learned by review privileges have been suspended until Nov 18th.

I just started reviewing close votes and low quality answers last week as i earned the privilege.

When checking the suspension there is a list of 5 reviews that were handled incorrectly.

When checking the reviews, two of them do not make sense (while i totally understand why the others are incorrect - im just learning how to properly handle those ques):

https://stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/30262542
 
@FabianS. probably ask on meta, we are just regular users like yourself
 
okay
 
8:25 AM
@FabianS. On the first post, one of the "Looks ok" was from a mod which overrules other "delete"s. The answer should have not been deleted, could have been maybe improved or downvoted. Are you sure there were no other incorrect reviews in other queues? Failed audits?
 
@Vega list is in meta now
 
@SurajRao Ah, thank you!
 
8:36 AM
@FabianS. I feel pretty confident that the review queues were not designed to be a tool to delete working solutions. stackoverflow.com/a/69853018/2943403 yes, it is low-quality and unexplained and no I would never use it, but it is a legit answer based on what qualifies an answer as answer on the site.
2
 
The suggested edits are also actively detrimental to the posts. The first one introduces code formatting on words that are not code, the second one makes an arbitrary change to the code in the answer. And the third one is unsubstantial. I would have rejected all three.
 
8:52 AM
@Vega @SurajRao @mickmackusa thanks for the clarification, its clear now why my review are not correct, i just didnt differ between a legit (but maybe wrong or unexplained) and a low quality answer.
The links posted by @SurajRao actually explain a lot there
 
@blackgreen It'd odd you say that. Go is one of the tags (like C and C++) where we moderators hear a lot of complaints about effective moderation (downvoting, closing as duplicate, etc.).
@Juraj I don't see why that shouldn't be answered with the solution. Isn't it likely that others would make the same mistake in the future?
 
9:14 AM
@CodyGray the Go tag, to use someone else's words is very thoroughly moderated, but dupe-hammering is definitely lacking
in Go there's 25 users with gold badge, of which only half regularly browse the newest questions, of which only ~3 use the hammer
dupes get answered all the time. I'm also guilty of that myself, to some degree
and, I make a distinction between moderation and curation. Dupe-hammering for curation purposes is almost non-existent
earlier today (yesterday) I was mainly talking about curation
 
I am, of course, speaking of "curation". I don't think there are any diamond moderators that actively moderate the Go tag, aside from responding to flags.
 
meagar does
(not daily, though)
 
@blackgreen Oh, that's good to know. I was not aware that he did.
 
9:30 AM
@FabianS. Unfortunately, the LQA queue has a large number of reviewers who review incorrectly, so the majority answer is often wrong there. I think the best reference for how to review in that queue is this Meta post from Undo.
 
they even post answers from time to time
though the user-level moderation is indeed very thorough
 
I am puzzled at how user-level moderation (curation) can be termed "very thorough" when there is almost no use of gold badges to mark questions as duplicates.
 
I can't wait to get mine (in Python)... I will probably finish my close votes before I finish my first coffee...
 
maybe this is just a misunderstanding that arises from me not being a native speaker, bear with me. you collate moderation and curation. I think of moderation as a real-time activity on new Q/A, and of curation as a deferred activity on existing older content
based on that definition, in Go gold badge moderation exists (albeit it could be better), and gold badge curation is lacking. All other forms of moderation and curation are indeed quite thorough
 
Oh, interesting. I've never heard anyone make that distinction. As far as I understand, the distinction is generally that "curation" is user-level moderation, whereas "moderation" refers to actions taken by diamond moderators. Both are, technically, "moderation".
 
9:41 AM
now I understand
 
But can a moderate curate curate moderators?
 
I don't think it's your ignorance of English, though. That is a perfectly reasonable distinction to draw, based on the common use of "curation" to apply to collections in museums, which are usually "old".
It's just not one I've ever seen drawn out before.
@AdrianMole A moderator can moderate anything, so, yes.
 
but a curate maybe can't...
@Tomerikoo only ~140 points to go, it's almost like you already have it
 
@blackgreen It's so far away... These days I rarely answer. Once in a while I find a deserving question. I'm mostly curating (or moderating...) and I don't have much popular high-grossing answers to give the occasional random up-vote... :(
 
@CodyGray thank you for your detailed answer on my meta question, i saw whats wrong with the 3 reviews in the edits, yet your explanation made it even more clear.

Also the explanation about the LQA answers do explain quite good.

I got another question tho:
You wrote the suspension was manually applied so just for me to understand: Those review were so far of whats supposed to be done that a moderator decided to suspend me for a week "by hand"?
 
9:54 AM
I'm sorry, I don't really understand your question
 
As far as i understand some moderator read trough my review decisions and decided to raise a manual suspension to my review privileges as my reviews were merely wrong. It was not some automatic system that alerted a review of my decisions which lead to the suspension?
 
@FabianS. If your question is "was this really so bad as to merit a suspension?" the answer is basically: review suspensions are the standard tool given to moderators to address incorrect reviews. Short suspensions are more of a heads-up, whereas longer suspensions are given to those who don't learn from the shorter ones.
 
Yes, that's correct. It was a manual decision by a moderator to apply a suspension. The automated suspensions are only applied when you fail audits.
7 days (1 week) is a bit long for the first suspension in a long time, but this was a pretty serious case of some wrong reviews, and it wasn't just one single misunderstanding, so a 7-day suspension makes sense. It gives the person time to, say, ask a Meta question to understand what they are doing wrong.
 
I understand, thanks for the clarification :)
 
Sure, no problem. The system is not a perfect one. Ideally, we'd have caught this much earlier and communicated it to you more clearly, but at the scale of Stack Overflow, the ideal situation doesn't usually work out.
 
10:06 AM
Well judging my reviews in those two ques by what i know now i was just going trough there way too fast. I have to consede i simply did not put enough effort in reading your material to actually know how to review in those qeues because doing so i wouldve seen that those reviews are just wrong by the definition of the qeues.
So no worries about the suspension, important thing for me is to understand what was wrong and how it was wrong so i can improve upon it.
 
Yup, exactly. That's how we see it, too. As Ryan said, these short suspensions (yes, 7 days is a short suspension by the standards of the site; some people are blocked from reviewing for 1 year) are really just meant to allow us to communicate what you're doing wrong and give you a chance to think about it. They're not something we hold against you forever.
 
Ok, seeing someone getting suspended for a year that makes the 7 days even more understandable.
 
Heh, yeah. Those are reserved for people who continue to make completely random decisions on each review task, even after being suspended for short periods many, many different times.
On a site as large as Stack Overflow, there's almost always someone doing something much worse than you. :-)
 
From not quite a year ago: Currently, there are 306 banned reviewers, out of which: ... 217 (70.9%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 33 users are perma-banned
 
Though I think there has been at least strong encouragement from CMs to at least try lifting some of the permabans now that the review suspension UX is less terrible.
 
10:21 AM
Yes, but the folks that were permabanned weren't permabanned due to bad suspension UIs.
 
I would assume that many of those perma-bans are obvious robo-reviewers.
 
Ah...yeah, I suppose that makes sense.
 
Or worse... It's people who are intentionally doing the thing they know is wrong...
 
Robo-vandals?
 
Well, I guess we cannot judge intentions. But... a robo-reviewer would make the right decision at least some of the time. When the hit rate is nearly 100% wrong, that's a sure sign of a deeper issue.
 
10:27 AM
It must take a very warped mind to have made sufficient contribution to the site to get 500 (or even 1k/2k/3k) reputation and then want to deliberately sabotage the review system.
 
10:38 AM
Holy smokes, did that offensive answer (and the user) just get deleted within like 10 seconds?
 
there's probably like 4 mods watching the chat
 
It only takes 1 mod.
 
@CodyGray maybe. the answer would be that the default value of variable declared with RTC_NOINIT_ATTR linker directive is ignored. it says NOINIT, so I don't know.
 
Hmm. Did my flag on this post cause it to be "invalidated" in the First Answers queue? If so, that's a new thing (I often flag in a window outside the queue, so that I can use "Advanced Flagging", then go back and refresh the review - that normally activates the "Other action" button).
 
No, two NAA flags are still pending on that post, @AdrianMole.
 
10:47 AM
Maybe when multiple flags are raised the review is invalidated?
 
Oh, maybe. I am not sure about that. Didn't check before I deleted it, which would hopefully invalidate all pending reviews.
 
Two general question im currently wondering about:

1) Downvoting a question or answer does "cost" reputation. If i downvote an answer (or question) and that gets deleted, is the reputation i spent to downvote that post restored?

2) I recently earned the reputation for instant-edits. Does that privilege automatically disable the 2 reputation gain i had when my edits would have to be reviewed?
 
@CodyGray Can't be that ... I did the same thing here and presume U12... also raised an NAA flag.
 
(1) Downvoting questions doesn't "cost" any reputation, only downvoting answers. And, yes, if an answer you downvote is deleted, then any reputation you lost from downvoting it will be returned to you.
(2) Yes, earning full editing privileges at 2k reputation means your edits no longer need to be reviewed by the community, and it means you no longer earn 2 reputation for each one that is approved. However, you don't lose the reputation you gained from having earlier edits approved.
 
Thanks @CodyGray
 
10:54 AM
... and any pending suggested edits that went into the review queue before you reached 2k rep will still be rewarded with the +2 (assuming they are approved, that is).
 
Oh yeah? Interesting.
I guess that makes sense.
 
Yep thats actually why i came to that question cause i got some +2's after earning the 2k privilege
 
Presumably, though, you don't get to review those suggestions yourself. :)
 
I need to remember that for the next time someone complains about how slow it is to get their suggested edits reviewed. There's actually a hidden benefit in there in one extreme edge case. :-)
 
Is there any problem going on with "Stack Hide Roomba Bound Posts" user script? I am not able to make it work since few months now.
 
10:59 AM
@AmitJoshi Probably needs to be 'fixed' to work since the vicious and entirely unnecessary recent changes to the overall UI.
 
@AdrianMole I vaguely recall this coming up and the answer being that you can't.
 
@RyanM One would presume (and hope) that one's own posts can't appear in any review queue. (But I've certainly reviewed questions to which I have posted answers.)
 
Whats "Luncheon meat" ?
 
@FabianS. just a funny way to say "spam"; but in Smoke Detector in particular, it means a particular type of (apparent) hashbuster near the end of the message
 
11:18 AM
is this reported because it contains "support"?
 
@blackgreen yeah, it's a bad rule I created way back before we had experimental reasons
 
11:31 AM
I have a confusing situation: An answer answering a question in the comments. Ok to flag as NAA? I mean, we always say that NAA is for something that is not an answer at all. In other words, don't flag (or delete) something that answers some question. This answers some question (the comment) but it is not really an answer to the question in the page...
 
@Tomerikoo Then it's clearly not an answer, is it? If you think it might not be obvious then use moderator flag and explain that this is a reply to a comment and it's not an answer.
Think of it this way: if you only saw the answer and nothing else, would you be able to tell that it's NAA? If you need to see the comment that it replies to, NAA is not appropriate as you must give a link to that comment as a context.
 
@Dharman It opens with "Question from the comments above:" and a quote of that question... I guess it's obvious enough. Thanks, flagged as NAA
Yeah funny enough that link is in the answer itself so I guess it will pass as NAA
 
@Tomerikoo You're assuming that the moderator who handles the flag will fully read the post.
... they may just see that it "looks like an answer".
 
But it literally opens with "Question from the comments above" (with a link), a quote of said comment, and going on to answer it. Isn't it obvious enough?
 
It would make me read the whole post carefully
 
11:41 AM
There have been conflicting statements regarding flags and mods. One says that, on some level, we have to assume that moderators aren't eejits; another says, don't assume that moderators always see flagged posts in their full context.
 
I think it was the same mod who said both
 
Well, two lenses in one pair of glasses?
 
@AdrianMole They're saying that moderators have a rich internal life but also very limited means to interact with the world [because providing them more information would reduce their flags per second ratio]
 
12:00 PM
@JohnDvorak Well, talking about conflicting descriptions ...
... an Oxymoron walks into a bar and is met with deafening silence.
 
12:32 PM
@Mark That link is a user profile, we can't flag that. You should mod flag any of the user's posts
 
@Mark ^ thanks
 
is this an answer? I would say it is
albeit one in disguise
 
Barely.
 
@blackgreen Yes, it's an answer
 
12:59 PM
Morning
 
@CodyGray I answered it. Please delete the cv-pls
 
@Juraj just a heads up, I believe according to SOCVR rules, you should ask to trash a cv-pls request before getting involved in the post
 
@Juraj cc@CodyGray Done
 
1:15 PM
@NathanOliver thank you
@blackgreen sorry
 
@Juraj nothing to be sorry about, just a heads up
 
@Mark Just for future reference: we're a bit ticklish about moderating users in this room; when you spot a serial spammer, the best place to report it is in Charcoal HQ.
 
@AdrianMole we will be happy to grant you privileges there to report stuff to Smokey yourself, perhaps after you accrue a little bit more experience in the room
("you" as in Mark, here)
(but certainly also Adrian if you are interested, and don't have those privileges already)
 
2:10 PM
Happy Monday all
 
Bah, humbug.
 
@AdrianMole It's too early for that. East some turkey or something to pass the time
 
East? -> Yeast, toast?
 
Oh yeah, you're in Scotland. Nobody is thankful there. Sorry about that :P
 
I read a nice article this morning about the re-wilding efforts of some folks in Scotland
hope that goes well
 
2:19 PM
@TylerH Yep. We're all born to be wild.
 
That might be difficult, considering that the Scots like to uproot trees and throw them into the air
 
:-)
 
@TylerH so tempting to insult all proud Scots ...
 
Well they stopped short of reintroducing the bear it seems, at least on a national level
I recall from Disney movies that great Scottish grizzlies were the fiercest of bears
 
Beavers have been reintroduced.
 
2:20 PM
yep, and white-tailed eagles
 
Dam beavers.
 
The Scots have been re-introduced in England ...
I leave it at that
 
When is England getting re-introduced to the EU? :-)
 
@TylerH 2137
 
bummer, should be like 2050 when all the folks who voted leave have gone...
 
2:23 PM
@TylerH More likely Scotland secedes from the UK (not really joking on that one)
 
Nah. 120 years after the "leave" vote. (Noah's age when he popped his clogs.)
 
@Machavity Yeah I think the UK will be shrinking in the next decade or three
not to mention northern ireland
@bad_coder oh really, there are that few of them on MSE? Nice
that is an interesting tidbit of info
 
What is going on with this - second one I've seen today with a name, year-number and some garbage.
Feels like someone's running a course and "post garbage to SO" is the task.
 
2:38 PM
@bad_coder looks like I was a bit earlier, at #299 though... at least of the still-existing, non-suspended users. This user just hit 10k on Nov 5th: meta.stackexchange.com/users/168933/dave-newton?tab=reputation and there are currently 300 people exactly with 10k or more. I hit 10k on Nov 4th, the day before him.
@DavidBuck Looks like someone is just spam-"testing" the site. Report as R/A and carry on, I say
 
^ More of the same!
 
@TylerH you're right, I actually checked that guy out but got the math wrong somehow :P it was late night...
@TylerH a lot of the > 10k can be split in long time early adopters; recent pundits with no notable contributions; and some who just happened to post during the Monica fallout and hit the rep jackpot...
 
3:06 PM
@bad_coder Yeah, several of the ones just over the 10k rep threshold get residual rep at a rate of one or two upvotes a month, looks like
2021 has seen probably a dozen 10k user promotions by that mechanism, at least
maybe two dozen
 
@TylerH I think it was 293 at the beginning of the year... At least 4 that made the threshold since are active, including me, you, RyanM and ColeenV.
MSE doesn't have much if any residual rep.
 
@AdrianMole Oddly this doesn't seem to be the case for wiki edits. I submitted this edit before 20k and it was rejected by community, but the edit still went through.
rejected-edit but that is the current edit on the tag.
 
@HenryEcker Meh - something very odd going on there. But, what would you expect from monochrome, furry, Chinese bear-cats?
 
When getting suspended from review, is it made clear to the user if it was an automatic suspension, or a manual suspension?
 
@AdrianMole I was genuinely confused. It used to say Rejected By Community. I don't know where that got to.
@cigien iirc only if the moderator makes a note (?) otherwise it's just the default notice
 
3:23 PM
@cigien if you get the suspension the moment you fail a review you know it's automatic. Mod suspension usually take effect after some time, it'll likely not be because of the very last review you did, and the counter starts the moment you return to the review queue while the automatic suspension starts the second you fail the audit.
 
@HenryEcker I see. I've been suspended once, and it was manual (a mod confirmed it well after the fact), and I don't remember seeing any indication that it was manual. I think it's a good idea for that to be explicit in all cases.
In my case, I distinctly remember being thoroughly confused, because I got a 16 day suspension (and no warning before that), and I didn't review for a while after that, because I couldn't work out what I'd done wrong, and how I'd triggered a suspension like that (the info provided indicated that the suspension periods escalate, starting from a day or so).
@bad_coder Ah, that's better than nothing. I still don't see a relatively new user realizing that distinction. An automatic suspension might be delayed for all a new user knows. Being explicit would be better IMO.
 
3:39 PM
@bad_coder Hmmm... Are you saying the amount of time a user is review suspended, when applied manually by a moderator, only starts when a user next visits a review queue? That was not my understanding/expectation. My understanding was that the time started when the review suspension was applied (either automatically or manually), but that the notification would be seen by the user the next time they visited the review pages, even if that time was after the review suspension was complete.
Still showing the user that notification the next time they visit the review pages, even if it's after the review is complete, is a designed-in feature. A significant point of review suspensions is to communicate to the user that they didn't review correctly and help them learn how to review better. In the past, if the user didn't visit the review queue until after the review suspension was complete, then they didn't see any notification.
This made the education part of review suspensions less effective. As a result, some moderators chose to use much longer review suspensions in order to make sure the information was communicated. The change meant that extending the review suspension period was no longer required in order to communicate.
Given all that, having the review suspension period not start until the user visits doesn't seem like a reasonable feature. I haven't heard that was the case elsewhere. Is that really what you're saying happens and are you sure?
 
4:00 PM
@tink this seems to be more of general computing imo, question is about how to do something in OS
 
@Ruli I guess it can be off-topic in more than one way =}
 
4:34 PM
@Dharman For the record, the NAA flag of that answer I asked about got declined... Raised a custom one (cc @AdrianMole)
Ok now I'm really confused. The custom flag was (surprisingly fast) declined as well... Are answers answering random questions raised in comments considered valid in the site?
 
Can you share a link?
Maybe it's salvagable
 
NAA isn't for answers to other questions
 
So are we just supposed to leave random answers alone? That will make for a very bad repository of quality questions and answers...
 
Request 20k deletion here
 
I think I will do that and open a meta... I can understand the NAA (hardly...) but find it very weird to have a custom flag declined as well...
 
@Tomerikoo No, not really. If it's not an answer to the question, but instead to a comment, I'm quite surprised your custom flag was declined. Could you share a link (unless you'd rather post on meta), in case there's some context we're missing?
 
@Tomerikoo It's a reply to a comment, not an answer. I don't know why the flag got declined
 
@cigien Thanks for that. Saved me the time to write-up a Meta. Seems like the same case (I was trying to look for one). I don't see why a NAA flag will not hold here. The answer itself admits to answer a comment...
I think I got rattled over for something that looks more like a bug... The decline message on the flag is exactly the same as the declined NAA and it was handled in 1 minute. That is (not to insult any moderator) highly unlikely...
 
@Tomerikoo Oh, the answer is the del-pls you just raised, I didn't realize that. Yeah, I'm not a python SME, but that answer doesn't seem to answer the question, it just answers a comment. And given that the author of the answer admits to it, I'm not sure why the custom flag was declined. Was the declination the standard "No evidence to support the flag"?
 
No. See above. It was suspiciously the same "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer" as with the declined NAA on that same answer
Is there a way to figure out if that was actually by a mod or some bug? Should I raise another one asking about it?
 
4:56 PM
No, at this point if you really want to drill this issue, you should raise a meta post
 
Yeah, I agree with Dharman. Go ahead and make a meta post rather than another flag. Also, I'd be quite interested in hearing from a mod; my answer to the meta I linked suggests raising a custom flag, and if that's not the right thing to do, I need to at least edit my own answer. There may be something in the flag you raised that changes things, so add the flag contents as well.
 
Is it possible for me to create my own Stack Overflow bot? If so, how can I do this?
 
@MrMythical People in SOBotics might be able to give you some pointers, but better be more specific.
 
@Dharman is that a Stack Exchange site? Can I have the link?
 
Sorry, I though you already visited that room. Message updated with a link
 
5:02 PM
in it's simplest form, a bot can just be a userscript that adds an event listener and performs actions on your behalf.
 
5:14 PM
@Tomerikoo FWIW the NAA decline was proper. Remember that NAA flags don't add any context, so we look for answer-ish posts. It looks like it's suggesting something. If that something is merely wrong, that's not the right flag
The mod flag is a bit greyer of an area. You have a point that he's talking about a comment. But... that still requires us to evaluate if the answer is correct to the question. So I can't say the decline was incorrect there either, solely from a non-SME standpoint
 
@Machavity It's not wrong nor right. It simply not related to the question. The answer itself admits to answer a comment so I'm not sure what context is missing. I am mostly puzzled about the declined mod flag. Not sure if it's some bug or actual response
 
@Tomerikoo It appears tangentially related (the OP made a comment narrowing the scope of the question... not great but not clearly delete-worthy). I'd be leery to delete it solely for that. But you can 20k delete it
I did not handle these flags btw
 
The OP made unrelated question in a comment
Either way, the answer should not reply to a comment. It should reply to the question. If the comment was the question proper, then they should edit the question and then answer without referring to the comment.
 
I understand. Thanks for your input nonetheless @mac. I just don't think those are related. The comment is not narrowing the scope, it is a follow-up question on another matter. The question is almost a typo - how to put one regex string on multiple lines. Then after this was solved in a comment the OP asked in a comment how to obtain the different matches captured by the regex, which is answered in the answer...
 
5:32 PM
@Machavity Hmm, so if I'm understanding this correctly, answers to comments should never be mod flagged? Since they are answers to something, I don't see how a mod could delete them unless they're an SME. I just assumed that an answer to a comment would be deleted, even if it is related to the question. I especially would expect it to be deleted when the author admits to it being an answer to a comment.
@Tomerikoo This can be binned. User has added an answer to the question as well.
 
@cigien Depends how related they are to the question. Sometimes the OP will ask a follow-on question that's separate. In this case, the OP narrowed the scope of the question. It should have been an edit to that end
 
@Machavity Wouldn't deciding how related it is (whether it's a follow-on that's separate, or narrows the scope of the question) require an SME though?
 
@cigien Welcome to the fun of being a mod, where you sometimes have to read code you're unfamiliar with and make a call. And remember that diamond deletion is harder to undo, so it's not unreasonable a mod would err on the side of not-deleting
I probably would have marked the flag helpful and not deleted in this case
 
@Machavity I can understand that. I guess I could've just post a comment to avoid this hot mess but I'm really reluctant to post comments lately...
 
5:47 PM
@Machavity That's very reasonable, and sort of what I expected, but I wanted confirmation. Thanks for that; I'll edit my meta answer as well, since it's misleading as currently worded.
 
Dang new mods making the queue so short. All we needed to do was slack off another hour and they would have edited it into shape :P
 
@Tomerikoo Really? Why is that?
 
Annoyed with revenge votes... I tend to think twice when the user is over 125 rep
 
Ah, I see. That doesn't seem to happen to me. I must be doing something wrong :p
 
6:09 PM
@cigien Yeah, start commenting!
 
I do leave comments, now and then. I'm not sure if the rate at which I do so is comparable to that of curators, such as members of this room, though.
 
My comment rate is like 1 every 6 months
 
Oh, mine's considerably higher than that. I'm not aware of a way to see my deleted comments, so I can't give accurate figures. It feels like it must be half a dozen every day, at least.
 
Unfortunately, you can only do those kinds of searches through SEDE
 
Oh, I didn't think that was available via SEDE either. Do you happen to have a link for that query? If you don't have it at hand, don't worry about it, I'll search for it myself later.
 
6:21 PM
select creationdate, count(*) from comments where userid = cigien group by creationdate?
 
I guess I'm still getting close to 20 a day between doing 20 LQ reviews (leaving canned comments) almost every day and the other comments I leave around. I just felt lately that on days I'm highly engaged, suddenly I wake up the next day to find a few downvotes (on very old, non active questions...)
 
@Braiam Yeah, that worked, thanks. And it seems to show deleted comments. Yeah, about half-dozen a day seems right-ish.
 
Well, creationdate is a timestamp rather than a date type, you need to convert it to date to get per UTC day.
 
To see actual counts per day? I just eyeballed it with the query you showed, which is good enough. I don't actually need very accurate stats for this, I was just curious.
 
Yeah, because right now it gives you per second, and unless you are a machine, it's very unlikely
 
6:36 PM
Ah, that's perfect, thank you.
Wow, I once left 63 comments in one day :p That's excessive :(
 
Only issue is that this does not seem to count deleted posts. I was incorrect.
 
My top was 47. And two days later a downvote. That must be related! xD
 
select CONVERT(date, comments.creationdate), count(*)
from comments join posts on posts.Id = comments.PostId
where userid = '##UserId##' and posts.deletiondate is not NULL
group by CONVERT(date, comments.creationdate)
order by CONVERT(date, comments.creationdate) desc
You can only get values for posts.deletiondate is NULL
 
@HenryEcker Are you sure? I'm seeing entries in the SEDE query that aren't showing up on my activity page.
 
@cigien It looks like it counts deleted comments, but it won't count comments on deleted posts?
 
6:50 PM
Oh, I see what you mean. No idea if that's possible even; I thought searching for deleted content is generally not doable, I'm surprised it even works for comments.
 
AFAIK, it shouldn't work.
 
Just confirmed:
select *
from comments
where userid = 15497888 and Id = 123506689
My "Glad I could help. :-)" was deleted but appears in the query
However, any comments on posts that were deleted are not searchable
 
@HenryEcker SEDE refreshes on Sunday, starting at 03:00 UTC but SO starts around 05:00 UTC. So any comments deleted after that still appear in SEDE but are no longer on the site. Next week all would be in sync again.
The only tables not sanitized for deleted posts are Votes and PostLinks
 
@rene That was deleted before the sync.
I'm fairly certain. Unless there was some delay in timings. Let me check an older one.
 
the comment is created at 03:35 on Sunday, that is pretty close on the edge of refresh
 
7:03 PM
Yeah. You're correct. Interesting that the creation and deletion split on that. Let's see if I can find something older.
@rene I believe you're correct that deleted comments are generally not searchable barring the case of comments that are deleted between weekly syncs. So recent daily comment counts will reflect some deleted comments where as older ones will not.
Thank you TIL something new
 
@HenryEcker the comments table got its refresh on 2021-11-07 10:47:04 so you'll find comments up to that timestamp. In fact, the latest comment is from two seconds before that.
 
I wasn't factoring the delay aspect of the data explorer. So generally searching deleted comments is restricted to the standard user barring some out dated information?
 
7:23 PM
I'm not sure if I parse that sentence 100% but I think the answer is yes, assuming we've established that the comments table in SEDE is not meant to have deleted comments, give or take timing.
I have some answers on SEDE refresh: meta.stackexchange.com/a/344407 and meta.stackexchange.com/a/368557
 
Yes. That is what I meant. Better phrasing would have been: "the only deleted information accessible from the SEDE for comments is those comments that were deleted after the most recent sync"
 
yep, agree
 
7:49 PM
uhm... did SO just go offline?
 
@Turing85 Site seems slow on some pages
 
@Machavity got some "We are currently offline" messages, and now it's terrible slow
 
It's hit-and-miss atm
 
Probably round robin
 
Can somebody tell me why some of the @ in the code blocks of this question are colored in white?
 
8:02 PM
Looks green to me
And black
 
Same. Maybe you got a bad CSS file from the downtime
 
Wait, what? the @ in @Entity aren't white for you?
 
The @ is black, with Entity in blue
 
8:20 PM
@Turing85 I will blame dark mode
 
@Braiam That doesn't explain why it's inconsistent across posts
 
The @ in that post has no specific highlighter and is detected as less. On that other post probably applies other rules
Look at it now.
 
@Braiam jep, renders fine now
Does this count as unclear?
 
the title is unclear
 
8:39 PM
@DavidBuck this can possibly be reported as spam.
 
@Turing85 Given the username and the detailed but not-related to the question post, I did wonder if it was a spam seed.
 
@KevinB Your face is unclear!
 
:(
 
his face is a batman symbol
 
I thought it was a boat anchor
 
I'll go ahead and vote to close Kevin's face
3
 
9:24 PM
i know we usually don't moderate anything on Meta or ping moderators about flags, but is it possible to request a moderator to clean up the comment thread here? It's getting increasingly out of hand. (I did not engage for the record, I figured it would be better just to leave it and flag).
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica just flag the post for a mod, and explain what you want to happen.
 
Yes, thanks.
 
9:54 PM
Is this question unfocused? I mean... It can be answered but the answer would be either really short (a list of possible technologies that can be used) or really lengthy...
 
Am I a prick for asking someone to remove their comment which contains a provably flawed snippet (and they agree that it is flawed)? stackoverflow.com/questions/2588666/…
 
Uh phrasing could've been better but....
 
@mickmackusa nope. That should be removed (as should the ensuing mudwrestling)
 
...mud is good for the skin, right?
 
@mickmackusa do you know the saying about mud wrestling?
 
10:03 PM
@halfer Could a room owner remove this please - I forgot the tag! Thanks
 
@Turing85 I'm happy to hear it.
 
@mickmackusa just google "don't mud wrestle"...
 
gotta start my work day ...I was hoping you'd spoonfeed me. Maybe later.
 
@mickmackusa sure, it's juste a one-sentence and should be the first hit :)
 
10:07 PM
@mickmackusa FWIW "Why is @Noah's commented solution upvoted 22 times? The suggestion makes the answerer's mistake" could've been just "Noah's comment does not work because x." You made it about the votes more than the code block which some people get touchy about...
That said, the response was not proportional and not deserving. Which means it's just as possible no amount of difference could have prevented that kind of response.
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, I am aware that I have no future in politics.
 
@mickmackusa Yeah, I also don't think you need to be a politician. Just saying if you were looking for something that could set someone off that would probably be it...
 
10:28 PM
What's your stand on linking to API documentations as part of an answer? In particular: linking against oracle's Javadoc. Is it a "good practice" or "information that gets outdated"?
 
If the rest of the answer can stand the test of time alone, is just relevant info.
 
11:06 PM
@Turing85 Good practice, IMO, as long as you're not relying on it for it to be a useful answer. I frequently link relevant documentation (ex1, ex2) in my answers to supplement them. Relatedly, if I recall correctly, Oracle keeps their Javadoc links pretty stable, but I might be recalling incorrectly.
 
@NotTheDr01ds That's not eligible for a cv-pls, is it? Is there some recent activity I'm missing?
 
@RyanM they are stable alright, but we have no way to link against "latest". Also, with java 9, this would have been a "breaking change"
 
IMHO the fact that there's no "latest" helps protect against the links being outdated. I've been burned a couple times by this on developer.android.com :-)
 
@RyanM as with so many things: there are two sides to this coin. Something that might be perfectly fine in version X might be deprecated in version X+1. Looking at the documentation for version X, one would never know this.
 
Hmmmm...that's true. At least if people link old classes on d.android.com, it'll say not to use them.
 
11:15 PM
As I said.... one coin, two sides. Everything is meta ^^
 
@cigien I'm honestly not sure. Typically I'd consider to fall under the FAQ#11 "don't have enough users in that tag to close the question in time", but I'd welcome advice on this.
 
What's our stand on answer like "The answer from X is correct. To explain a bit more..."? I feel like the correct answer and the "extending answer" should be merged into one. See, e.g., this answer.
 
@cigien It did seem to "7 day age-out" of a close vote review (invalidated) back when it was opened, likely due to the limited number of eyes on that particular topic.
 
sigh why is the time interval for editing messages so short?
 
@Turing85 hear hear
 
11:30 PM
@NotTheDr01ds afaik, that rule is meant for low traffic tags, but not as an exception to the recent-activity rule, and is more to prevent, say, a cv-pls request for a Java question that was posted 5 mins ago (those requests still get posted, but that's a separate issue).
I understand it's frustrating to have CVs die on old questions, or not be able to close them in here. Just today, I had 2 questions that I CV'ed 2 days ago, and had revisits on, in the hope they'd be closed, so I could del-pls them, but no luck :( That's not really a reason IMO, to post the request anyway. (Note that I'm not asking you to bin this one; it's ok once, but try to avoid making it a habit.)
 
@cigien Fair enough - Just curious, how would I delete the ? Flag it for a mod?
 
@NotTheDr01ds No, definitely don't flag it. Just ping an RO, preferably the most recent one.
 
@cigien Thanks - The "Warning" on mod-flagging had discouraged me from that, at least :-)
 
Now comes the interesting part: how to find the most recent RO? :)
 
The trick is to memorize the list of ROs...which is suboptimal.
 
11:34 PM
Note that 2/5 ROs are also mods, so you can ping them all you want ;) So long as it's for RO related activities.
 
or you take your chances, scroll up and ping Makyen
 
socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-flag has the reasoning why you should ping an RO instead of flagging for mod attention
 
Dang, that is sub-optimal. Thanks, though.
 
Wondered why there were no new posts for a while. Then I looked up US Central Time... 5:30 P.M...
... I spoke too soon...
 
Okay, one more (relative) newbie question. When you (and the FAQ) say "ping" a RO. Is that "just tag them in a message here"? Or open a private chat?
 
11:47 PM
just @<username> them
 
Thanks again :-)
 
np
btw: there are no "private chats" here
 
@Makyen Could you remove this cv-pls? As was pointed out to me, it doesn't qualify. Thanks.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
\o/
 
11:49 PM
 
@Turing85 Sure, but there's always the option to (from the users page) to start a new chat directly with a user.
 
And there's the possibility I (or anyone else) will join it :)
 

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