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12:08 AM
Heh ... OK @TylerH - my biggest concern is that exactly that popularity might be what gets us new, similar off-topic questions.
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2:25 AM
@AdrianMole It's First Answers, not First Answer (but actually, this was a change with the new changes: multiple posts from a user can be reviewed depending on the reception of the earlier ones)
 
 
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4:58 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/69702969/… is a mod flag pertinant here?
 
@SurajRao Yes, custom flag the post.
Mods can escalate that to CMs to reach out to the user.
 
It's the second suicidal post today
 
@mickmackusa That's just a straight-up link-only answer, an NAA flag really shouldn't get declined on that.
 
We at SOCVR are faster / better / more reliable than the queues.
 
Depends whether Bhargav's awake ;-) but fair.
 
 
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@bad_coder Why are you closing your own question? xD
 
7:33 AM
@Tomerikoo lol seems 17010433 has a good choice of username.
 
8:08 AM
Not sure if this is the correct place for my question but here it goes:
The current answer for https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69702869/hey-im-new-to-python-do-you-know-why-im-getting-an-error-code-when-i-run-this-co/69703190#69703190 seems like it should work. However, it's a code-only answer and I feel like it misses how the OP could have found his problem.
I could add a new answer and explain that, but without copying the code from imentu, it doesn't really solve OP's issue.
Or I could edit the existing answer with the extra information, but that seems a bit invasive.
 
@IvoMerchiers Why invasive? From the edit help page: "Any time you feel you can make the post better, and are inclined to do so. Editing is encouraged!"
 
@IvoMerchiers Create a new answer explaining the other answer
 
If you are not going to change the meaning and you only want to add a short explanation of the code then editing is fine. If you want to explain how the solution works and why it is the recommended approach then a new answer would be better
 
Alright that clarifies it a bit, thanks!
 
@IvoMerchiers FYI, I had to edit it when I saw it, so check if you still want to make an edit or not
 
9:59 AM
notice also recent spam answer, flag-pls
 
10:47 AM
@gnat broken link. It should be this link
 
11:08 AM
We need a cv-pls cleanup
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels thanks, you are right, I somehow made a typo in the URL
 
11:24 AM
Any idea what this is?
 
@JeanneDark certainly not an answer?
 
Answer attempt from JW?
 
Thanks. The presentation is just a bit confusing.
 
More seriously, it's trolling
 
I have no idea what this nonsense is. It might be trolling or some bot post. Who knows. It's gibberish so let's remove it
 
11:31 AM
Yeah, I also considered worse options than just NAA
 
It could also be a spam seed
 
They keep editing it... Very strange
 
11:54 AM
Is asking, "Is there a method in {language}?" reason to close as "Seeking recommendations..."? As here - looks a bit odd, to me.
 
I would say it's not.
 
I think the (quite minor) edit has definitely tipped it back into on-topic territory.
 
Yes, I can understand why one would close the original version for that reason.
Fun fact: The sole answerer also voted to close.
 
Funny how small changes can make big differences.
 
That's the power of the edit button guys. The power to fix things.
 
12:19 PM
Morning
 
12:31 PM
The problem with my code is that it seems to be working. ?!?
 
@NathanOliver could you please remove this del-pls - I submitted it with a typo in post URL
 
1:15 PM
@tink fair point, though hopefully the fact that it is closed should give plenty of ammunition for the other, correct, side of that argument. A historical lock even more so :-) I much prefer that idea given the question is at least about commands entered in a CLI which, depending on the complexity of the commands, is tantamount to, up to definitely, programming
 
1:26 PM
@tink Eh, that already exist on SU and SF
There's no point that SO has another one.
 
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1:58 PM
I thought questions couldn't be deleted by the OP only if there was an upvoted or accepted answer? Not sure why this can't be deleted.
OP has asked it, answered it, clarified that the answer was related to code not in the question, and then retrofitted the question so that the answer makes sense... Deleting would be preferable
 
@DavidBuck if there are multiple answers (e.g. 2 or more), that will also prevent OP from self-deleting.
 
@TylerH Ah. Didn't know that. So they could delete their answer first, then delete the question. If it hadn't already been nuked.
 
The qualifier is generally "when multiple people have made a contribution to the answer(s) to your question"... so one person answering and another upvoting, or when two people have answered
@DavidBuck I'm not sure about the order of operations there... e.g. if the system is "smart" enough to detect what's going on and say "oh hey you're trying to abuse the system". In short, I don't know how it will view the second answer by OP even if it is deleted.
But OP could probably experiment with zero friction by self-deleting, refreshing, and seeing if they can delete the question
if not, they should be able to instantly undelete their answer
 
@TylerH Thanks. Useful to know for next time.
 
^ Is this already R/A (abuse of the system)?
 
2:12 PM
@JeanneDark I wouldn't personally throw a red flag at that, as I don't think OP deserves that on the first offense, but a red flag is likely to be marked helpful on that.
 
@cigien Okay. Isn't it usually the other way round? That we give more leeway to users who already contributed (positively) to the site, and nuke posts by accounts seemingly only created to post something rude or spammy?
 
@JeanneDark If it's rude or spammy, that's correct, but this was a test post. It's not inherently rude, or spammy, IMO. There's even a formatting sandbox post for that stuff.
 
@cigien On MSO. It may not be rude but it was abusive. Abuse to the system and also of the community as users had to spend time and effort (votes, flags etc.) to get rid of it.
 
@cigien SO is not a sandbox and making tests is R/A
 
Like I said, a red flag is likely to be marked helpful on that, so if you feel it deserves a red flag, go ahead and cast one.
 
2:20 PM
Thanks, they already deleted their own question.
 
Right, I meant in general.
@JeanneDark I see what you mean, but I don't personally use that definition of abuse. e.g. an off-topic post also requires users to spend time and effort to get rid of it, but it's not an abusive post. I define abusive (broadly) as intent to cause harm. If that user posts another test post, say, I would be much less tolerant.
 
@cigien But there's a difference between an off-topic post (when the community had to agree on what is on- and off-topic) and a post that can obviously never be appropriate content and wasn't meant to be.
Such tests post and other abusive stuff is exactly what SO does not want to have and get rid of as quickly as possible and R/A flags achieve that.
 
Ok. There must be an MSO post about it, I'll take a look. I could be wrong, and there's clear consensus that R/A flags are appropriate there.
 
2:36 PM
@cigien Rude/abusive flags are appropriate for anything that is an abuse of the site (which would include intentionally posting nonsense or "test" questions--we have drafts/previews for legitimate testing purposes). Users always have the option to not flag/act on something, however, if they're not sure. :-)
 
2:53 PM
@JeanneDark Hmm, I'm not finding a specific post about test posts, but based on the links you shared it seems like R/A, NAA, VLQ flags all work fine for those posts.
 
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4:13 PM
 
@TylerH Heh... and here we'll just have to disagree ... even the most complex uses of e.g. don't have programming features - no branching, no variables, no loops. ;)
@Braiam I understand the words but not what you're trying to tell me?
 
4:41 PM
Do we consider problems created by a packager to be programming questions?
 
@tink Not so much. They need OS help. I migrated it to Unix.SE
 
@tink They are tools primarily used by programmers, so I would say it is allowed, but might be better of on SU.SE or Unix.SE
 
@Machavity - cheers, I thought so, even though it pertains to "rails" and "redmine", both of which will be used by programmers 99% of the time.
Heh ...
Cheers @NathanOliver
 
@tink yes, I want to use package X in version Y of the toolstack, yet X barks at me with error Z. How do I resolve that. Answers that explain the packager is at fault are useful. Let's hope no mod is around that migrate it to unix.se because that would be a shame.
 
LOL ... oh dear, je suis tres desole @rene
Even though the "reason" is quite obvious, looking at the output. The packager isn't doing a good job at checking for version numbers.
 
4:53 PM
Yes. How do you resolve that on your own box and if you depend on that package how do you prevent your users run into the same problem?
 
@rene looking at the bugreport I'd say ignore packaging and build/install from source (and best of luck with that; it appears to be a rather fickle beast).
 
@tink The only reason why we don't delete things is because there will be value lost if we did.\
 
@tink that would make an answer, right?
 
@Braiam That's not what you said above, though. :) I appreciate that.
 
@tink "There's no point that SO has another one" because anything of value "already exist on SU and SF"
 
5:04 PM
@rene Not sure that qualifies as an answer, a helpful comment maybe, most likely not what they're after
Ah OK, @Braiam, so you're basically backing my suggestion to get rid of it? :D
 
Yep. There's no exception to be made for that question.
 
Ah well ... can't do much about that. I still hold it should go away, millions of hits or not. ;) But if the powers that be disagree then that's that.
 
@tink That's the beauty of our system, they can be wrong :D
 
@Braiam heh
 
Since the post is being discussed on meta it might make sense to avoid discussing it in here, as far as possible.
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5:19 PM
@tink you might be taking a high-brow approach to defining programming there ;-)
 
@TylerH - LOL. How do you define programming? :)
@cigien Thanks, I wasn't aware of that post.
 
@tink "Using written commands or instructions to automate some process on a computer that you'd otherwise have to do manually via point and click or step-by-step", usually.
 
@TylerH So, using the command line is programming? Oh boy, many of the UL and SU guys would disagree.
Programming implies software development. Without that, there's not programming.
 
@Braiam I believe we've had this conversation numerous times
 
Sorry chaps - got to run, work calls. This was invigorating ;)
 
5:28 PM
@TylerH Yes, but tink and you don't and I don't want tink to think that your PoV is even remotely acceptable.
 
@Braiam It's not up to you to inject your own personal beliefs into someone else's mind
I could just as easily have the same desire to make sure your PoVs are blocked from consideration by anyone on the internet.
 
Oh, no. Au contraire, I'm inoculating everyone minds from your own personal believes.
 
But such positions are unreasonable, so we typically don't allow them on the internet.
You can take such positions to Medium.com or your personal blog, instead
 
No, I prefer to do that on the site I'm invested in. So I can actually effect something.
 
I don't see much effect, considering the numerous times you've asked for such consensus on Meta, only to be downvoted into oblivion each time...
 
5:30 PM
@tink "Writing the same code over and over again, expecting it to work every time."
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Does this question need debugging details?
 
5:46 PM
@VLAZ lol
@JeanneDark I think answering that question would require someone who knows the godot programming language.
It appears to include the entire "main" function for that program... but without knowing something about the language it's hard to say if that's enough to troubleshoot/reproduce
Personally I would leave it be until/unless someone with domain knowledge comments and asks for a MCVE
 
Ok, thanks. I had seen the initial revision and wasn't sure if it's fine now.
 
6:07 PM
@JeanneDark IMO it sounds like it does. But since it's only been half an hour since they were asked for details in a comment, I'd wait a bit before voting to close
 
@JeanneDark OP has since self-answered that it was essentially a typo (for what that's worth)
 
6:58 PM
Is this a general computing issue or details or clarity? stackoverflow.com/q/69712667/15497888
 
@HenryEcker Yes
 
7:12 PM
@makyen I created a chat room, and I added you as owner too; now how the heck do I invite you?
 
You have to invite them from their user card in chat or from a room they're already in
you can click their profile image in chat to "invite this user" and select a room you're in or create a new room right there
Or if you have RO privileges in both rooms, you can simply move a message of theirs into the room you want to invite them to
this will automatically send them an invitation
 
@TylerH thanks
 
@VLAZ Um no, that's not programming. That's the expected outcome. And you just shuffled the problem of describing programming to describing code.
And I still hold that e.g. ls | grep -i foo doesn't constitute programming, not even if I should bother to stick that in a shell script.
 
@tink 'twas a joke playing on the popular "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
 
Heh. That would have been my next statement, that Einstein described insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results ;)
 
7:31 PM
@tink Well, not Einstein but the quote is attributed to him.
Still, joke being that code often doesn't work the same. So expecting it "to work" is indeed different things.
 
Heh
 
This should be big news when it hits
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in 2021 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat, 12 mins ago, by Catija
Well... if I'm reading Jira tickets correctly, whoever gets elected may never have to deal with figuring out whether someone voted to delete a post more than once.
in 2021 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat, 11 mins ago, by Catija
Also looks like you'll be able to retract delete votes.
 
Any advice on how to handle this closed question with no answers stackoverflow.com/q/69712368/15497888 and the repost (which is admittedly improved over the original version that was closed) stackoverflow.com/q/69713655/15497888 which now has 2 answers?
 
Normally you mod flag one question and explain they asked another with a link
I can reach out to them so no need to flag this time
 
If the question is unclear (or otherwise closeable), then CV it. Just because people guess doesn't make it not unclear.
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7:46 PM
Cat?
 
@Machavity Will do thank you
 
@Machavity in 6 to 8 weeks
 
@VLAZ In fairness the newest edit (which is currently reflected in both questions) is probably answerable vs the version which was closed stackoverflow.com/revisions/69712368/1
 
@Machavity In other words, the only ones that can make sure something stays deleted is moderators.
Such a terrible feature.
 
@rene No. Me trying to clean my keyboard. Forgot to click away.
 
7:47 PM
Ah, yeah. You don't want to invent PHP by accident ...
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@Machavity Retraction of delete votes will be very nice.
 
@rene I think they confused the time frame. My MSE post is now in the 6-8 months range
 
@rene I didn't think PHP was created by accident. I mean, I think there was alcohol and/or other drugs involved but still.
 
@VLAZ That was Windows ME
 
@tink even if we showed you how there's several bugs in that?
 
Heh.
Still wouldn't be programming. It would be useful, but belong to Unix & Linux or Super User
 
8:29 PM
 
@tink UL already have one of those unix.stackexchange.com/q/128985/41104
 
8:46 PM
@desertnaut Indeed, I did see the attitude. And now, I see that Makyen has been forced to remove it all together. Thus, sorry for the false-alarm ping. I had posted that before I knew the true colors of the complainer. Carry on. :-)
 
@CodyGray sorry Cody, the Meta thread may have been deleted, but this went hand in hand with the main thread (which the Meta one was about) to also get un-deleted, in a manner that has left me thrown under the bus. No need to discuss it further here, as I have raised a mod flag
 
@desertnaut Oops, sorry. Didn't check the complete history of actions on the site before I started replying to pings. It seems I always do things out of order. :-(
 
@CodyGray all good
 
:-)
 
@CodyGray the complainer actually achieved what they came for, due to what seems to me to be a pure technicality
 
 
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